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The Rules of Men
Posted by jimmyshoes01 on 25 March 2011 - 12:01pm.
Last night I was in the Alphabet bar in Soho enjoying some well deserved post work wine and after a few glasses the seal had to be broken and I excused myself from the group.
The bar was busy but the toilets weren't and I had the choice of all three urinals. Naturally I took one of the end ones.
I was mid-flow when a guy walked in for much the same reason as me and he stood at the urinal immediately next to me with the other end one wide open.
To my mind this contravenes a Rule Of Men: If there is an opportunity to wee at least one space away from a fellow gent this must always be taken.
What are the other Rules Of Men in day to day life?
Ladies - are there female equivalents?
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ha!
That Rule came up on a recent episode of 'Silk', trying to prove that someone was or wasn't soliciting. Did the other fella speak to you at all? Make any flattering remarks?
That's what I was expecting
a peek or whatever but he just seemed unaware of the Rule.
That rule
That rule vindicated something I'd told my wife about a few years ago.
We were at the National Gallery and I'd gone to the gents. Two rows of urinals, about 10 apiece, on opposite walls. I had the whole room to myself for about 30 seconds. A very well dressed chap came in and used the urinal beside me.
Outside I met up with MrsP and as the chap walked past I told here he's just tried to pick me up. She asked what he'd said and I told her nothing and explained the situation. She thought maybe he was just in desperate need and happened to end up beside me without thinking.
this reminded me
this reminded me of a anecdote my husband is fond of telling everyone at the moment. he was using the urinal at a large shopping centre when an elderly man came in and stood next to him - he did his business then promptly pulled his handkerchief from his pocket and proceeded to dry his chap and then returned it to his pocket! i hope he's not around should i have a Celia Johnson moment
Only the other day
I went into the loo in the Coachmaker's Arms on Marylebone Lane and of the three urinals there was a man taking a leak in the one in the middle.
He obviously doesn't suffer from stagefright like I do.
Same thing
happened to me just yesterday at work. Very annoying, since it was someone I barely know, so it had "awkward" written all over it. I saw it a territory-claiming move, so I used a stall, probably indicating that I "lost" in this alpha-male-off.
Urinal vectoring
these two chaps probably came in to find the normal configuration, ie one at each end, and had to take the centre position. But as the other two were nearly done, the late arrivals were left stranded in the 'awkward' middle spot when you walked in.
I think there may be a whole corner of the Internet devoted to Male Communal Urinal Behaviour, but I don't want to look for it.
Something that I think is also strange
-- and I think you see it more and more -- is that when there are free urinals guys go into a stall and stand up to pee with the door open. What is that all about? What do they have down there?
Don't know about you but...
...wall mounted urinals usually/often result in splash back so as a rule I go into a stall BUT there then follows the rule "never lift a lid on a public toilet - its usually done to hide something!!" I forgot this the other day and on lifting was caught by the sight of the biggest shit I'd ever seen outside of a Zoo.
I have noticed in Germany
and some other countries they have put the image of a fly or another insect in wall mounted urinals in exactly the spot they want the stream to hit. Given human nature it is impossible not to aim at the fly even though you know at some level that if it was a real fly you could choose to let it live or drown it.
Pissicato
During Euro 2000 in Holland they had little goals to aim at. Excellent!
However recently over lunch Martin Simmonds and I (I can't claim all the credit for myself, so I will share the proceeds from Dragon's Den)came up with a better idea. Each urinal would play a different note when you "played" it, and they would harmonise. So as each instrumentalist (urinalist) turns up you get a different harmony. Also as the force of the jet increased or decreased there would be a corresponding change in the volume (the "how loud it is" type of volume as opposed the "how much there is" type). Is that not beautiful? Then of course you could have different voices such strings, brass, church organ etc...
But would it be as much fun
as this? http://www.cupsizechoir.com/
I'm at work
I suspect I can't look at that right now?
Yes
NSFW
It's the thing Gauntlet got sniffy about.
Cheap underwear, according to her.
I've written to Myla asking them to do one. No response as yet.
Before the smoking ban
you could amuse yourself destroying the cigarette ends people used to leave in there.
Nowadays it is just pieces of chewing gum that get dropped in. I've never understood why people do that.
Sometimes men do this
who are of a certain age and have to contend with prostate problems, one of which is that, after one thinks one is finished, a few recalcitrant drops hang around and then emerge later. This can be averted, or at least mollified, by the judicious use of loo paper. Hanging around for some time in a stall might be misconstrued, and there's no paper. Or so they tell me.
The rules of men...
Sounds like a Jackie Leven album title.
Have an up arrow, Mr B
Made me chuckle.
Ah yes, "The Rules of Men" by the Big Man from the Kingdom of Fife.
Possibly featuring a few well heavy poems by Robert Bly.
He must have been making an unsubtle pass at you
There is absolutely no other explanation for such an egregious flouting of gents etiquette.
By the by, has anyone else noticed an increase in men, particularly young men, going to the other extreme? It seems to me that when I am in a gents and another man comes in they are much more likely than they used to be to go straight for a stall, even when there are other urinals an acceptable distance away. Or maybe it's just me; they're probably intimidated.
apparently
men with a pierced member have difficulty aiming accurately. This is why a certain ex England football captain* always sits to slash.
I read this on Popbitch, so it must be true.
*not Terry Butcher
At least if you go for a Stall...
you won't get the bloke standing right next to you, farting then nudging you with a cheery "better out than in..!"
Crying at a film
You would never do this in the company of male friends. However, I weep like a leaky bucket in front of my girlfriend, should we be watching, say, Cinema Paradiso?
Even in front of my brother (and my entire family) I had to walk out his living room last Xmas and wipe my eyes with bog paper in the bathroom. I was a bit drunk and it was the end of On Her Majesty's Secret Service on the telly OKAAAY???
Linking arms with a male friend in the High St
Girls and gay men can do it but it's a real no no for men.
And two men
must never share an umbrella.
Personally I think men should only use an umbrella in cases of very heavy rain. I may have to table that as a separate amendment.
Car Park Etiquette
I know this makes me sound like a grumpy old man, but I must confess to having picked up the habit of parking at the far end of car parks off my father in law after a number of door dings from thoughtless motorists.
Even so with an almost empty car park there's always some numpty who parks in the space next to me. On a more recent occasion I couldn't get into my car because another car had parked so close.
I've come to the conclusion it's a 'safety in numbers' thing for some people, but even so it's incredibly irritating.
Coming back to the subject of urinals I've even had a work colleague stand right next to me who then told me "(your urine) smells a bit strong". Well don't stand so bloody close then. And yes, I've had more come-ons from more gay men than I care to remember, it has to be one of the number one hazards of visiting a public toilets.
But the number one pet hate is people who DON'T WASH THEIR HANDS AFTER. Yes, you know who you are. But should I tell on them or let them pass their germs on to all and sundry?
Smelly tiddle
Why does wee sometimes smell of Sugar Puffs?
Or, perhaps more worringly, why do Sugar Puffs smell of strong wee?
Mine
only does this when I've actually eaten Sugar Puffs. I'm still waiting to experience the aroma of muesli...and Golden Grahams now has a whole new connotation.
I wonder if there's a similar phenomenon after the consumption of nuts? I guess it would only apply with pistachios.
Smelly pee
I once worked on a dinner hosted by a large business institute wherein they had a few hundred dinners all present to eat, drink and enjoy the highlight of the evening: a live talk with Rugby legend Martin Johnson.
The audience were about 99% men the bar was open long before dinner and the starter was asparagus.
Having filled themselves with lager, then eaten heartily the majority of the audience, myself included, all nipped to the gents for a number one before Mr Johnson came on.
The starter had been a poor choice by the caterers given the audience.
The smell in the gents was astonishing.
Washing your hands after..
There's more germs on the tap than there are on your willy. Urine is sterile. There's no need to wash after you've used a urinal. If you've used a stall and touched the flush or the lock, then wash.
Two "real men" (e.g. John Terry & Rio Ferdinand)
would never be seen dead together...
having a picnic
having dinner in a restaurant
riding a tandem
some real men having a picnic lunch...
Unbelievable
They must have nerves stronger than the steel on which they sit. I'd be nervous being that high up even inside the completed building!
Yes, but...
I can't somehow picture Hank turning to Chuck and saying "hey Chuck, fancy sitting out together on the far girder and share in my cucumber sandwiches...?"
Male kissing,
would so with my male Italian relatives and friends (cheek only). Wouldn't dream of doing so here. The OP reminds me of a geat scene from Friends when Chandler and Joey are in the gents and one of the two can't pee because the other is standing within his vicinity.
Supermarket etiquette
If you are a man shopping in the supermarket (no doubt with the list thoughtfully provided by the GLW) and you cannot find something you have been asked to purchase, you must ON NO ACCOUNT ask any one working in the store where said comestible or artifact may be found on the shelves. You must wander the store aimlessly until a) you find what you are looking for or b) leave the store without. When challenged by the GLW, you must insist they were 'Sold Out'.
Oh and you must NEVER buy feminine hygiene products on behalf of the GLW if you are unaccompanied.
Ummmm...
I bought some feminine hygiene products for my other half just the other day and didn't think that it was a problem. I do it quite a lot. Should I be worried?
I see no problem with it
I like to think it says "I may be ugly, but look! I've got a woman at home!"
Or...
...I'm in the last stages of alcoholism and am bleeding from the arse! Go me!
Moral: never buy tampons and whisky in the same shopping trip, if you're a manchap.
I was asked to make such a purchase once.
I carefully stood in front of the rack before phoning her and asking in a very loud voice "WHICH FLOW WAS IT? LIGHT, MEDIUM OR HEAVY?"
She's not asked me since.
The gay touchy-feely thing
that says it's OK for a man to touch a woman if he's gay without causing offence. I think Gok Wan may have started this but the GLW has noticed it happen often in the workplace without comment.
If I were a woman
this would drive me INSANE. Just because someone's sexual orientation means you aren't their type, why does it give them free reign to touch you inappropriately? The women on How To Look Good Naked may not mind Gok giving them a fondle just because they know he doesn't want to give them Wan (eyethangyew) but I just don't get it at all.
I hate absolutely that.
Have had a number of gay male friends over the years who've felt they had the right to uninvitedly have a squeeze of, or snuggle their faces into, my boobs.
Not cool at all. Not welcomed.
Helpful note:
They weren't actually gay
DAMMIT, NOT AGAIN
Must be the 47th time I've fallen for that same old routine.
Gok Not Gay Shock...
The entertainment world was shocked to discover today that Gok Wan, 37, flamboyant lifestyle consultant on smash hit show "How To Look Good Naked", is in reality Simon Wong, a married father of four from Biggleswade.
Simon broke down when confronted by our reporter and admitted "I'm gutted". Gok, or Simon as he now wishes to be known, seized his chance when working for Channel Four as a cameraman's assistant on the pilot episode for a TV special about Supersize women.
Simon went on "well, people always assumed I was gay because of my appearance and when I found myself on set surrounded by all those lucious large ladies in various states of undress, I just couldn't help myself, I snapped. I went around the ladies and grabbed handfuls of flesh, kneading here, fondling there, I really filled my Jimmy Choos. I even found myself repeating some of my old chat up lines from my youth hanging around the nightspots of Biggleswade, "phwoar, look at your norks fattie" - "don't be ashamed of your massive hooters darlin'", "your bum certainly does look big in that babe, but I like it".
Simon admitted to have been shocked when, instead of calling security, the show's Director immediately decided to move him from behind the camera to front the show.
Making sure
that you get your round in.
The Rule of Rounds
I’ve always struggled with the unwritten rule that, if a group of men go drinking, no one can leave until everyone has bought a round. So if you find yourself in a pub after work with three colleagues, you are expected to stay until four rounds have been consumed, one bought by each person.
The trouble is, sometimes you only want one or two drinks. But leaving before you’ve bought your round is frowned upon, as is buying a non-alcoholic drink for yourself when your turn comes (as there’s a perception that you’re trying to save money). So you either preserve your sobriety at the cost of getting a reputation as a skinflint – and there are few more damning judgements of a man’s character than that he doesn’t buy his round – or you get drunk for fear of breaking the rules.
Do women have to jump through these hoops? I somehow doubt it.
If you drink together regularly
then it shouldn't be a problem as long as you clearly aren't trying to avoid your turn. Easiest way is to say "I'll get the first because I'm not stopping"
these books have
excellent/funny guides to this sort of thing
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Watching-English-Hidden-Rules-Behaviour/dp/03408...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Man-Walks-Into-Pub-Sociable/dp/0330412205/ref=sr...
Yes, but...
I agree in principle (though groups of friends do tend to develop esoteric sub-sets of the Rules that can be equally frustrating), but it does become more of a problem when drinking with work contacts, friends of friends and other groups you don’t socialise with regularly.
And don’t get me started on people who fight you for your turn. Or those who, having drunk pints all night, suddenly decide to switch to shorts when it’s your turn at the bar.
Meanwhile, having raised this point, I’m frantically trying to remember who bought me drinks at the last Word London mingle, so that I can reciprocate tonight. I’m pretty sure I owe Fraser one, for starters...
calm down take a leaf from that
great tap room philosopher Buddha it's all Karma every pint you buy will come back to you eventually, may be not from the person you bought it for but via another route. The universe when it comes to ale is in perfect balance.
In the words of Scott Baio in Bugsy Malone "give a little love and it all comes back to you"
So what you're saying is...
Needs a bit more work, this one...
I must confess...
I really hate it when I offer to buy someone a drink and they don't reciprocate. It's not so bad with close friends or regular boozing buddies as it all catches up in the end - but in a casual situation, party or function when you buy someone a drink and you catch up with them later and there they are with a new fresh pint and haven't got you one in return...really gets my goat.
It's not the money - it's the principle...as my old man used to say - "never trust a man who doesn't stand his round"...!
"It's not the money - it's the principle..."
No it bloody well isn't!
Note to self
Make sure you buy Retro a pint.
Yes, did you notice...
how I dropped that in just before I head up to that London for the Word drinks..?
Don't worry I'll behave, I won't chase you round the pub "Oi, where's my fackin' pint...?!"
Oooh, two men chasing each other, that's not really allowed either is it?
No direction home
Asking for directions - a man no-no in my experience.
On the drinks front, the expectation that a man will pay when socialising with a group of females is something I find quite uncomfortable.
Turning round
after finding you've gone the wrong way - Mrs Clef convinced it's about male pride when it clearly has everything to do with no turning off points and an articulated lorry about a foot from the rear bumper.
Lots of fun with this rule
Whenever I'm lost I go out of my way to ask directions from the hardest man I can find.
Here's an online test about urinal etiquette
http://www.okcupid.com/tests/take?testid=1998310247324066462
I got an 80% score.
At work...
we've got two urinals next to each other. So there's no option there, save for using the traps (often with the door open as you mentioned, Jed). However, someone did "park" next to me the other day and asked,
"How's your little one?"
He was of course asking about my 4 month-old daughter, but much hilarity ensued.
Whistling - yes, singing - no.
Particularly, as my friend Simon did, the chorus of Madonna's Beautiful Stranger in one of the less Gok-friendly pubs in Ipswich.
Hands-free
I used to work at a place with two urinals. There was one guy who would come in and stand next to you and pee hands-free. With his hands on is hips. Very unnerving indeed.
I hate unsolicited conversation at urinals...
Not sure if this is replicated throughout Blighty, but in Glasgow - home of the dangerously emotionally repressed pack male - the combination of alchohol and false intimacy provided by pub lavvies can oft result in an opportunity taken to engage in clumsy bonhomie.
I never know how to react. Ignore and risk offence and violence, or respond - what do you say to a strange man with his penis out and operating anyway?
...
You say, Doctor, please put your knob away and get on with my tonsilectomy
Ah...
the old "love you too buddy, but you're dripping on my shoes".
Urinal chat
I heard a great story about a young Noel and Liam Gallagher visiting a Sony party shortly after Oasis had been signed.
They went to the toilets together and there were three urinals. Jay Kay from Jamiroquai was using the middle urinal so they went either side of him.
After about 30 seconds, Liam broke the awkward silence by turning to Kay and shouting 'scooby-do-wop-bop...etc' at the top of his voice in imitation of the EOPEH's vocal style.
at the urinal in zimbabwe
in the early 80s, to hear bands, I frequented bars i townships hitherto unvisited or rarely visited by whites
whenever I went to the urinal it usually prompted the others in the line to lean forward and assess
quite offputting
at least it was hot
The opposite..
...is true in Ladies' loos. Especially at a club near closing time when young/ish.
After winding your way through ladies discussing the boy they've just seen/the other bitch they are with who is a right cow and talks about them behind their back/putting on mascara/blusher/lippie/more perfume, it is perfectly normal to have a long conversation with someone who have never met before and will likely never meet again. You can tell this woman that the cad she is crying over "isn't worth it/don't let him see you like this" despite knowing nothing about said cad. You can also comment on the colour of the lippie she is applying and whether you like her perfume. You can also use it as an excuse to tell a perfect stranger about your own "bastard" when your friends are bored witless with you.
You also get the unisex situation
when the queue for the ladies is so long they use the gents and not just the traps either. They'll quite happily use the urinal next to you and chat away as they do that reversing into position while lifting back of skirt and adjusting underwear thing.
Perhaps that's just a reflection on the kind of places I've gone to over the years.
Jesus
I've never seen that. And I've had nights out in St. Helens.
!
Wha..?
You mean..?
Girls..?
No. No. Can't be. And I've been drinking in Gosport before now.
The John Terry Rule
Men must never get involved with the former significant other of a close male friend.
Or worse...
...their younger sister.
I know of which I speak.
Nowt wrong with that!
Former Liverpool player Ritchie Partridge married his friend Michael Owen's little sister.
Yeah, but
whatever happened to him?
And Richard Partridge?
Quite
Sloppy Seconds = latent bisexuality.
Meanwhile in the ladies' room
a major pet peeve is people who hover rather than sit, leaving the seat…let’s just say in a less than desirable condition. To add insult to injury they ignore the golden rule of the ladies’ room:
If you sprinkle when you tinkle
Please be neat and wipe the seat.
When the rest room is crowded and people are waiting for stalls (We need potty parity! We'll come back to that another day.) it always amazes me that people can come out of a stall and look you straight in the eye, knowing what they've left for you to deal with! Were they raised by wolves??!!
"The Incident"
I tend to just use the cubicles now... ever since the splashback incident of 2010.
His stream produced the volume of a burst pipe. I was wearing short sleeves.
Curb...
that reminds me of the classic "Curb Yor Enthusiasm" episode - the miracle of the crying jesus portrait - the tears were actually Larry's splashback.
I know the one
Great stuff.
A lot of male rules come up in Curb Your Enthusiasm come to think of it. I liked Jeff's rule, when he became upset because Larry didn't say "congratulations" on his new car.
Seeing as we don't know how pretty you are
or how large your penis is, it's difficult to tell whether he was picking you up or not, but you seem quite sure.
If I were a gay man
the very last method and situation I'd use for picking up men would be following (probably straight) blokes into toilets and standing next to them. I mean, what the hell would your opening gambit be? "I don't know if you're gay or not but seeing as we've both got our cocks out..."
I'd say he was right about the come-on...
if my experiences of central London public toilets is anything to go by. There are guys standing next to each other when I arrive, while I go, while I wash and dry my hands, on my way out, and all the time they're just standing there side by side without talking. It's unlikely they ALL have prostate trouble. It's a bit unnerving*
*the usual Seinfeld "Not that there's anything wrong with that!" goes without saying, I hope.
unbuttoning everything
is it only me that considers it strange that some guys have to undo "everything" (zips, buttons, belts) at the urinal and actually pull their trousers down a bit before a wazz.
How old are you? 5?
or am i missing the point that you're making that the monster is too big to get out of just the zipper?
I've had a couple of pairs of jeans
which had fairly short zips so that if you didn't 'undo everything' you got the bottom of the zip pressing against the base of your todger which could restrict the flow and give the impression you'd finished when you hadn't quite, with predictable results.
Luckily I made this discovery in the bathroom at home rather than in the pub loos.
Button fly jeans
especially 501's are a right twat to do up if you don't start from the bottom button and work all the way to the top.
It also means you can do that showing off your underpants at the back thing that the younger generation think looks so fashionable.
Doesn't look too good with a 6 inch skidmark though....
I'm not in any way 'big'
in that department, but I've always had difficulty negotiating 'Little Type' out of the usually badly-fitted hole of the undergarment and then often scraping it dangerously close to an unforgiving zip. Invariably under this method, I've mis-directed the flow and/or ended up with what Frank Skinner once memorably described as a 'Curly Wurly' wee. This is why for many years I've been a 'shy boy' in the cubicle.
I can't believe I've just written this :-)
Another one from Curb Your Enthusiasm
If you driving with more 2 or more passengers and dropping them off.
Say the passenger in the front seat is dropped off first, then one of the other passengers must move from the back seat to the front passenger seat. Without question.
This is nearly as old as the Internet itself
In fact, I remember a (female) friend showing me this in ooh, 1998,1999 at university. But the rules haven't changed in 12 years.
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/games/urinal
Budgie smugglers
I'm happier than ever that I'm not a man now...
This is going to sound weird, but I've had more fun meeting strangers in public loos than anywhere else...no wait - let me explain!
Girls, especially when they're young, always go to the loo in pairs. And if you're drunk in a club or something and your friends are nowhere to be seen you can bond quickly with any damsel in distress also lacking a loo-buddie.
I once spent the better part of a midsummers eve in the loo at a camping site making new friends one at a time. I first went there with a friend of mine, when we were walking out of there a girl on her way in asked me to please go in with her, and that just kept happening every time I tried to leave.
I was in there swapping anecdotes and jokes for a very long time, and no - none of these girls were trying to pick me up.
It's just a good place and time to have a nice long chat.
But if you're a man it's apparently a very traumatic experience!
Tent sharing.
Never. Unless there's three of you, temperatures are at least -10 and there's only one tent.