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The rantings of very drunk people late at night

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I see Andrew Marr has views on bloggers ...

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/features/whatrs...

Myself, I have ranted, posted while drunk (or at least happy), and late at night---though not, iirc, all 3 at once.

Am I letting the side down in this respect ?

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He's right though

The vast majority of blogs are rubbish.

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Brookster | 13 October 2010 - 5:12pm

He is right about that

But, surprise surprise, people don't tend to read rubbish blogs.

The good ones are doing the kinds of things Marr should be concentrating on, like uncovering hypocrisy where it exists. Like the time Marr asked Gordon Brown if he took pills, a question prompted by rumours swirling round the Tory blogosphere at the time.

Hmmm. This is all too meta.

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Fraser Lewry | 13 October 2010 - 5:31pm

Good Programme on BBC Radio About Internet

And how it has impacted on aspiring writers. Forgot who said it, but the point was that many people have clearly aspired to a career in journalism/reportage, but have been unable to make the jump due to financial considerations, fear of uncertainties, etc.

The joy of the net, this voice said, was that anyone - and I suppose that includes me - can now post away to their heart's content, at zero financial cost. Unfortunately, said the voice, most of these writers, who use the blog as their chosen medium, are rubbish. Can't write for toffee, etc.

However, the plus side, it continued, is this: they have learned that they are wasting their time but it has not cost them a penny.

See! Everyone wins.

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itfc1959 | 13 October 2010 - 8:45pm

Uncanny..

.. bang true of me. Mind you, the new aspect to all of this is that while its easy to zone out the rubbish blogs, the good ones attract some very good and persuasive writers. I really have had my mind changed by reading postings on mainstream BBC blogs in recent years - though that has made me an ocean-going monomaniac about the financial crisis. And being able to participate is really liberating - seething in impotent rage at idiots in the letters pages of 'other music magazines', local and national newspapers etc used to gnaw at my soul.

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FakeGeordie | 14 October 2010 - 8:09pm

This Andrew Marr blog thing

This Andrew Marr blog thing is really strange. His twitter account name has the word blog in it yet he say is writing a private diary. It also has strange references to his mother.

http://twitter.com/andrewmarrblog

Either its an imposter or he really lives on a different planet.

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andrewdavidlong | 14 October 2010 - 11:16am

Fair point

Ditto the William Hague rumours

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Brookster | 13 October 2010 - 5:44pm

Quite

Including my own.

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Five-Centres | 13 October 2010 - 5:15pm

Pimpled? Bald? Cauliflower nosed?

From a balding man who is, frankly, no oil painting himself. I'm sure there's a mole there somewhere too..

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Prestonia | 13 October 2010 - 5:17pm

Marr must have someone in mind...

"Socially inadequate, pimpled, single, slightly seedy, cauliflower-nosed young men sitting in their mother's basements."

Still hasn't got over Morrissey dumping him then.

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Molesworth | 13 October 2010 - 5:33pm

Better ranting to an audience of two

on a blog then making an arse of yourself on the Tv and radio to a wider audience, the jug-eared numpty*

* Yes, three more from them after the news

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DogFacedBoy | 13 October 2010 - 5:54pm

Ouch

I suspect Mr Marr has an axe to grind within certain quarters of the blogosphere where great delight has been taken in cocking a snoot a his 'super injunction' to gag the press over his, er... Ugandan doings ;-)

I think he may be aiming his ire directly at certain high-profile political bloggers.

All good fun.

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McKinley60 | 13 October 2010 - 5:59pm

Super injunction

I have obviously let myself get out of date, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Any suggestions where on T'web I could look ??

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jackthebiscuit | 13 October 2010 - 6:58pm

Super Injunction

TMFTL

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Leedsboy | 13 October 2010 - 8:12pm

The first rule of fight club...

As far as I can see, a Super Injunction (that *really* needs an exclamation mark or two... SUPER INJUNCTION!!!) means the press can't even mention the injunction itself, let alone the dirty "doings" said injunction was intended to force a veil over.

Marr? Well, he was a nice bloke once. Got a nasty bout of the Carter-Rucks and was never quite the same again.

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McKinley60 | 13 October 2010 - 9:49pm

I thought

Andrew Marr was brighter than that.

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Lucas Hare | 13 October 2010 - 6:12pm

He's got a nerve

I've only ever seen Andrew Marr on his history programmes and, while he undoubtedly writes excellent scripts, he is a dreadful presenter. Perhaps he should leave it to people that can do the job properly.

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JohnW | 13 October 2010 - 6:55pm

He hates Guido Fawkes

because he revealed the story about his private life that he has "gagged" the newspapers from telling by court injunction.
He's talking out of his hat. Obviously there are reams of rubbish on political, or any other, blogs, but, when you sort the wheat from the chaff, there's better political journalism being done on blogs than in the mainstream media. His cosy Sunday morning coffee morning is MSM political journalism at its feeblest.

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Richard Lowe | 13 October 2010 - 6:59pm

"... and on tomorrow night's show

there's a session from Super Injunction and tracks from the new Jug Eared Numpty album, g'night"

personally, I make a point of never posting sober

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James Blast | 13 October 2010 - 8:22pm

(Scribbled down drunk but) Posted Sober

...from Dundee's finest.

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bigsteviecook | 13 October 2010 - 9:24pm

And he's got a new album out!

A live album with Mr McFall's Chamber. The bits I've heard sound every bit as wonderful as the gig I saw on that tour. Why isn't Michael Marra better known? It's hard to think of anyone else quite like him, in terms of the breadth and quality of his work.

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Lando Cakes | 13 October 2010 - 9:49pm

Scribbled Down Drunk

TMFTL

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illuminatus | 13 October 2010 - 11:36pm

andrew marr?!

him wit the big ears? lol! whose he to tell us bloggers where just drunk men ranting at night. haha? i'll fuckin' knock him out. lol. your my besht mate you are. c'mere....

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Spartacus Mills | 13 October 2010 - 8:34pm

Eeeeww

- no thanks, you're too seedy and pimply.

But, on a related note...

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Helena Handcart | 13 October 2010 - 8:53pm
Richard Lowe | 13 October 2010 - 9:09pm

If this has become a crime

then we're all f**ked

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STD | 14 October 2010 - 12:44am

I think the salient point is

that very rarely* do we ogle a young girl and then get....

*never, ever.

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Leedsboy | 14 October 2010 - 9:24am

I saw the subject line for this -

and thought it'd be about some of the noises I hear from my open windows while dropping off, as I live pretty much right in a town centre.

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DLM | 13 October 2010 - 10:18pm

I hear you

...well not *you*, actually, but I know what you're saying ...

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SpaceBoy | 13 October 2010 - 10:29pm

Blogging.

The only blogging I do is right here.

A significant amount of which is done late at night. When drink has been taken.

So according to this representative sample, Mr Marr is 100% correct.

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Lenny Law | 13 October 2010 - 11:03pm

Yes Lenny

but you're not ranting are you?

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Dave Amitri | 13 October 2010 - 11:10pm

2 out of 3 ain't bad

though

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SpaceBoy | 13 October 2010 - 11:22pm

Cauliflower nosed?

Say it ain't so

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FakeGeordie | 14 October 2010 - 5:19pm

Sorry.

I thought this was about Film 2010.

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ganglesprocket | 13 October 2010 - 11:37pm

Ver ver drunk

surely there was only one master of the form-Oliver Reed on After Dark

[edit: though I decided to remove the YouTube link-easy enough to find-I think I'd rather remember him in Women in Love and Castaway, to name but two.

Also fascinated by the range of responses to my rather flippant postings-appreciated.]

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SpaceBoy | 14 October 2010 - 7:34am

Castaway

What? Oliver Reed was in it? I've seen the film several times, how could that have slipped my mind? Hmmm... *thinks*

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Rosbif | 14 October 2010 - 10:18am

It is useful to look at his full quote

'...But the so-called citizen journalism is the spewings and rantings of very drunk people late at night.
"It is fantastic at times but it is not going to replace journalism."

Looked at in this light, particularly with respect to his praise of some citizen journalism, it gives it a different sheen of meaning. I think also that he was disussing specifically the political blogosphere which has a different set of factors to the music or arts spheres.
As someone who has been studying the political blogosphere closely for the last few years (admittedly in a narrow area of the Irish political blogs), I feel that the determinist claims of the blogosphere replacing the MSM really need to challenged on an evidential level as we have seen no real evidence of it thus far.
We have many, many blogs and many more bloggers but few with measurable success in influencing the agenda in the same way as the MSM. We have even fewer examples of the blogosphere gathering news and information in the manner of the MSM and I think that is what Marr is getting at.
Without the MSM as a catalyst for debate, the vast majority of the political blogosphere would cease to exist. Gathering news and views on an organised basis is generally something for organisations (in whatever form) and not for 'rightwingtrot56' hiding behind a nom de plume and spewing vitriol at something they have read in the MSM.
The Westminster blogosphere is a case in point - it really constitutes a powerful echo chamber in itself but which has no real measurable effect in real world of elections or civis politics. The vast majority of what passes for debate on Guido amounts to abuse and insinuations about the sexuality of various politicians rather than rational deliberation.
And, many of those commenting on it are reflecting on it without the legal or ethical constraints we place on journalists and news organisations. I think that Marr is right to point out that bloggers, or respondents to blogs, consistently behave in a much less mannered way than journalists. At least journalists put their name to something, for the most part.
On an evidential level, some cases made for the blogosphere should be challenged. Much was made about the role of blogs in the 2004 US election but again that has yet to be challenged and I think it should be.
The Tea Party experience, which perhaps is challenging the American political elite, only has its roots partially in the blogosphere. Arguably it is the involvement of Glen Beck and Fox News that has had the greater impetus in that movement.
And here is one thought: when the likes of Huff Po and Gawker etc learn to make similar profits to MSM, will they start to behave like MSM - buying up the opposition, working under the same institutional models as those which we have now? I think any studies of media business say that this is inevitable. And anyway, where is the blogosphere making a similar inroad in British political life - it is dominated by the fora of newspapers and broadcast outlets.
I think there is always going to citizen journalism because a study of polemical pamphlet culture, periodical culture and fanzine culture tells us something always springs up to fill the gap for those left behind by or not represented by the mass market - but they rarely, if ever, become the mainstream.
We should be grateful for some of the blogosphere, but much more critical of the power that many people ascribe to it.
And here endeth the sermon... what no-one's listening?

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PaddyH | 13 October 2010 - 11:58pm

Marr is 100% correct

Citizen journalism? Bollocks. It's called gobshite from where I'm standing. Learn the English language, go to college and learn how to write an essay, and how to spell words correctly, then come back and see me. Working class northern monkeys not allowed.

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chabsy | 14 October 2010 - 12:07am

Please be trolling

Otherwise - I've just gone right off you!

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FakeGeordie | 14 October 2010 - 5:22pm

Chabs - would love to comment, but

There's a hot breaking story on Guido- someone says William Hague is a 'deffo a knob jockey' - have to follow it up and get some react quotes. Apparently the esteemed commentator 'Thatcherforever79' knows someone who said his cousin knows he is a 'straight-up chutney ferret'.
I think you'll agree that both these insightful and erudite quotes are a clear challenge to his legitimacy to hold public office.

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PaddyH | 14 October 2010 - 12:21am

Wouldn't it be great..

If Newsnight was like this. Paxo spins in his chair, fixes Hague with a steely glare. "So, Mr Hague, my mate Big Dave down the pub says you're a shirtlifter. Reckons he can tell 'em easy. Says your eyes are too close together. Would you care to defend his accusations which, I must say, seem fairly substantive?"

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Lenny Law | 14 October 2010 - 9:33am

"Look, Jeremy...

...I know you're desperate for some inadvertent confirmation that I am indeed a crafty butcher, but let me state, here and now, unequivocally, that I absolutely love doing it with girls, and not blokes. In fact, as the Committee On Standards In Public Life recently noted, I'm an incorrigible fanny-magnet who is, and I quote, "knee deep in clunge nine days out of ten". Frankly, if my reputation as a snatch-crazed tail-chaser is good enough for Sir Christopher Kelly, I fail to see how it is not good enough for you."

[rises from chair, hurls radio mic to the floor and stomps off]

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Bob | 14 October 2010 - 10:19am

Serious theme music, montage of events, studio lights come up..

...on Paxman, who turns to camera one.
"Evening, Benders".

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skirky | 14 October 2010 - 10:24am

Evening Benders

TMFTL

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Leedsboy | 14 October 2010 - 11:22am

okay

wot's TMFTL?

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James Blast | 14 October 2010 - 4:45pm

Two more

from them later.

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Spartacus Mills | 14 October 2010 - 4:54pm

always the last

to know

colour me daft :(

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James Blast | 14 October 2010 - 9:31pm

Colour Me Daft

TMFTL

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Leedsboy | 14 October 2010 - 10:37pm

The Last To Know

Three More Live Versions Of That Later

At least there will be if Dave Amitri's still up.

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Lenny Law | 14 October 2010 - 11:31pm

I think the Hague rumours started

when he began his speech to the House with the phrase, "Well hello, honkytonks"

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DogFacedBoy | 14 October 2010 - 4:51pm

Of course,

it was only after the well documented acrimonious split in Evening Benders - due in no small part to bitter philosophical differences in what the Big Society meant to the band's music, that Colour Me Daft eventually emerged with their blend of free market sloganising and death metal English folk. A live set from our Maida Vale studios later.

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PaddyH | 15 October 2010 - 12:19am
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