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At the risk of getting boring about this, but how frackin' good are the Word cover images! I look at these shots and I find myself drawing up lists in my head of who else I'd like Shamil Tanna to shoot (Mark E Smith, Tricky, Andy Weatherall)...

Loved the Chris Evans interview also. Plus the studio secrets feature. Downside. I thought the Lily Allen piece was one of the worst things I've read in the mag. The 'fuck off McLure' section in particular was so cringey. Overall, though, great mag. And long may Shamil Tanna reign.

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I took the opposite view

on the Lily Allen piece, at least - thought it was one the best things I'd read in the mag. Not, admittedly, because of its great insight or fresh approach to the issue, but just because I enjoyed all those pro-piracy pricks being told to fuck off in print. I imagined them reading it and weeping, which made me happy.

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ceepee | 12 November 2009 - 11:09am

I found it rather ironic

I found it rather ironic that Rob Fitzpatrick chose to condemn keyboard warriors in the style of a keyboard warrior. It was an entertaining piece though and I agree with his standpoint on piracy.

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Spartacus Mills | 12 November 2009 - 11:19am

Horses for courses.

But if I want to read people telling each other to fuck off, then I'll go to one of the countless websites where that kind of dialogue is the norm. From a magazine or newspaper, I want balance and insight, especially if it's spread over three pages.

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Albert Edward | 12 November 2009 - 11:21am

The final paragraphs with all the 'fuck offs' in

seemed to be descending to the level of those he was arguing against.

...or was it just heavy irony?

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stimpy | 12 November 2009 - 12:38pm

agreed

see below

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Nick Duvet | 29 November 2009 - 9:38pm

but apart from that

the article was refreshing in its willingness to tackle the issue 1. of piracy but also 2. of the hectoring bullying types that purport to represent the popular viewpoint. That Rob chose to end the piece as he did unfortunately undermined the rest of the piece. It was a bit loose at times, but blame the editor for that.

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Nick Duvet | 29 November 2009 - 9:37pm

Yes, less of the fuckoffery

Yes, less of the fuckoffery would be welcome, cheers. Plenty of that on YouTube et al. Otherwise, great issue.

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daddyorchipsblog | 12 November 2009 - 2:59pm

Agree with that

Rob's piece on the Lily Allen ferrango is outstanding. Opened my eyes to the level of idiocy and pedantry in use by some of those respondents. Particularly loved the guy in the identikit indie band who said Lily didn't do anything "interesting or original". Irony obviously isn't just rain on your wedding day!

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Six Dog | 12 November 2009 - 11:22am

One of the worst articles I've read in ages (in any publication)

If it was meant to be ironic it failed, since it just descended into the sort of nonsensical invective that Rob was apparently objecting to. It made me wonder if the guy from Reverend and The Makers had nicked his girlfriend and he was still bitter about it.

It's a shame, because it was a big opportunity missed to have an intelligent article about the issues - and I'm posting as someone who is broadly sympathetic to the point Lily Allen (and Rob) were making.

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Humphrey Plugg | 12 November 2009 - 1:02pm

I didn't think it was awful

and as a general rule, I'll defend the Word and its staff to the hilt, but it appears to me that Rob's articles in the last two issues haven't been up to his usual high quality.

Obviously, I'm just a lone voice spouting nonsense on the internet and Rob has far more pressing issues, but he seems to have taken on the style where his words are just there to link the myriad quotes and lyrics together. It's obviously well-researched but just lacks the ebb and flow of his usual high-quality work.

Just my opinion, mind. He'd be well within his rights to tell me to fuck off too.

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Joe R | 12 November 2009 - 1:46pm

I read it this morning..

...and was also surprised at the last few paragraphs. I enjoyed the article, and would reckon that it was irony writ large at the end. Still, it wasn't what I was expecting.

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Iainso | 12 November 2009 - 1:56pm

Whereas

I think it was the most entertaining piece I've read anywhere for a fecking long time.

Agree pretty much with all he has to say and the way he said it. Swear words are words that can be used just like any other, it's the context in which they are used that matters.

Made me laugh, got me angry and that's just what it should.

More people should be told to fuck off on a daily basis!

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FreakGene | 12 November 2009 - 3:00pm

Almost took the bait.... :)

Almost took the bait.... :)

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daddyorchipsblog | 12 November 2009 - 10:44pm

I thought it was excellent

which surprised me because I've gone right off Rob Fitzpatrick's writing after that Jo Whiley piece. Would LOVE to see the reactions of the 'freetards' to the piece.

I was amazed by some of the vitriol against Lily Allen - disgusting

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Chimney Singing... | 12 November 2009 - 1:56pm

Brilliant article

Loved the JW piece as well.

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Sean Mac | 13 November 2009 - 6:37pm

I didn't like it

I hated it. Do I need to be told that anonymous posters can get abusive and childish? Anyone who has spent more than five minutes browsing the blogosphere knows that. I really do not need to plough through TWELVE paragraphs of it to get the message.

I LOVE The Word but in the last year the only articles I have come away thinking "what was the point of that" have been Mr Fitzpatrick's puff-piece on Lily Allen, followed by the nasty slagging-off of Jo Wiley and now this.

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cornishmanc | 12 November 2009 - 3:56pm

I pretty much agree

Does The Word really need a Littlejohn column?

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Molesworth | 13 November 2009 - 10:24am

I liked it

Good article which succeeded in making me feel sympathy for Lily Allen. Can't imagine the people heaping abuse onto Lily Allen doing the same to Lars Ulrich, even behind the safety of a keyboard.

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Lando Cakes | 12 November 2009 - 9:39pm

Having another wee think

Having another wee think about that article and am niggled by a few things.

The abuse that Lily Allen got was unacceptable. This sort of non-dialogue achieves nothing except negativity. I'm not sure that Lars Ulrich would have fared any better (in fact, didn't he get pretty savagely taken to task over his anti-Napster stance a few years back?).

My feeling on reading her blog was that she was either a) being rather foolishly used as a stooge by The Man or b) naively out of her depth in taking a stance.

Either way, it was difficult to take her seriously. She was saying that it was difficult for her to make money (really? Hasn't her album been one of the year's bigger sellers? The previous one did rather well too, no?).

She appeared to be advocating having people's internet access removed. (I say 'appeared' because she was a little inconsistent in her arguments, see b) above.) This is a red rag to rather a lot of bulls, and much more hardline than suggested by other artists.

Then we had the egg-on-face situation of not only having mixtapes on her website (which Rob mentions), but also seeming to pass off someone else's writings as her own (which, curiously, Rob doesn't mention). Neither are cardinal sins of course, but one can see how calling for people who infringe copyright to be punished might come across as a little rich.

And even though there is a track called 'Fuck You' on her current album, there was no need to stoop to that level of puerile language to criticise her personally.

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daddyorchipsblog | 13 November 2009 - 10:12am

I'm taking a wild guess

that any abuse directed at Lars Ulrich did not imply that he might have had an above-average number of sexual partners.

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Lando Cakes | 14 November 2009 - 5:07pm

Thieving Posties have Good Taste

Bit of a landmark issue for me as it was my first time as a subscriber. (My best mate Jason, thanks again pal!) However, HUGELY marred by the fact that the plastic had been ripped and the cd removed. Apologies to any Royal Mail employees who feel aggrieved by the title of this post, I know you guys have enough crap to deal with, but if ya can't vent a bit on the Wordwebsite, you're gonna end up screaming at Speakers Corner...Do ya think Hep might sympathise with my plight and resend the cd? nah? Well ok, I'll just suckit up and put it down to the curse of 2009....

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Vorgongod | 12 November 2009 - 11:14am

We'll send a replacement

I'll e-mail you for your details.

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Fraser Lewry | 12 November 2009 - 11:24am

I had a full set of Beatles remasters

get lost in the post - luckily they were freebies but it still rankles

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Chimney Singing... | 12 November 2009 - 1:58pm

And he did!

Massive massive, hear ye hear ye! Ten minutes after i posted, Fraser emailed me to request address for a replacement.Love The Word! Love it!

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Vorgongod | 12 November 2009 - 11:35am

Last month

I got two replacement copies & three Word Of Mouth cd's. But don't tell anyone, they'll ask for them back.

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TedLoaf | 12 November 2009 - 11:41am

Andrew Weatherall?

Surely it's about time he had a cover. Greatest mixes/Sabres/2LoneSwordsmen/Moody DJ retrospective? There must be about 8 Word regulars that would foam at the mouth for that and at least 2 staffers that could supply the feature. Apart from readership what have you got to lose?


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TedLoaf | 12 November 2009 - 11:40am

He has a grand total

of two new albums out at the moment -- both brilliant -- plus he has wonderful new facial hair, so there's never been a better time!

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Albert Edward | 12 November 2009 - 11:43am

Weatherall

one of my favourite music people ever. Involved either in the production seat or musically himself in some of my all time favourite albums.

And Smokebelch II is probably my favourite single of the 90s...

Yeah, cover time please! The dance/electronic scene may have ventured underground slightly now, but it's proven to be more durable than a lot of people were expecting (or hoping I guess). Give him a cover!!!

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SimonL | 12 November 2009 - 12:49pm

Pretty influential all considered....

Weatherall and to a lesser extent some of the other "Boys Own" crowd like Farley, Heller and Kooner. Loved him cos he lived in Hounslow!

Great remix of Weekender popped up on the iPod only the other day, he had a very recognisable remix sound....

I'm pretty sure Joe Muggs could run a couple of interesting stories...

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Six Dog | 12 November 2009 - 1:02pm
TedLoaf | 12 November 2009 - 1:15pm

Weatherall Heaven

I collect Weatherall remixes and have assembled them on a playlist. Currently it's 246 songs, and would take me one day, six hours forty four minutes and 21 seconds of continuous listening to get through.

The mothership, though, is my main Weatherall collection that includes his work under his own name, everything he did for Sabres, Rotters Golf Club and as Two Lone Swordsmen, as well as production work and DJ mixes. The playlist is 751 songs, and would take me seven days, eight hours, twenty four minutes and 49 seconds of continuous listening to get through.

When the house is burning, forget the kids. The contents of those two playlists are what I'm saving.

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Albert Edward | 12 November 2009 - 1:36pm

If they're mp3/FLACs then...

you should have already saved them somewhere safe.

Remember - you can never have too many backups

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stimpy | 12 November 2009 - 1:39pm

Can I ask

what the average length of song is? I'm going for 7m03s.

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TedLoaf | 12 November 2009 - 1:46pm

Hmm

The longest is a three-hour-long TLS-hosted radio show ("Hello, mon petits munters"), although the longest single piece is his 33-minute mix of Jam J by James, followed by the Audrey is a Little Bit More Partial mix of Weekender by FU, at 16.59

The shortest is Flightpath Serenade off the Tenth Mission EP at one minute.

Average? I'd say about 6.30, yes. A lot of his more electro-y stuff clocks in about four minutes.

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Albert Edward | 12 November 2009 - 1:58pm

Acid Ted

Any Weatherall fans might be interested in one of my favourite blogs..

http://acidted.blogspot.com/

The tagline reads: From Andy To Weatherall, but it covers lots of classic dance/electronics...

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SimonL | 12 November 2009 - 2:33pm

Around the time of Jam J and Weekender,

and some of the stuff off of Sabresonic, I'd hazard a guess that Mr Weatherall had some gargantuan herbal cigarettes on the burn....

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Six Dog | 12 November 2009 - 3:34pm

As an unsuspecting interviewer

I was once medicined by the man, and I can confirm this is the case.

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Albert Edward | 12 November 2009 - 3:46pm

Shamil Tanna...

I've rambled on about how good he is before, but I never tire of looking at his images so for now I shall not tire of praising his work. He somehow manages to create photographs that are very contemporary and yet timeless... no easy feat. Often when photographers have a 'signature style' it becomes dated very quickly because fashions change and the style is then deemed passé. But Mr Tanna will not suffer from that indignity in my opinion... he's the real deal, a truly gifted photographer who will be around for a long time.

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Patrick Crowther | 12 November 2009 - 12:30pm

I know I've said it before but...

the subscribers edition would look SO much better without any writing on the cover.

I think it was tried once (Iggy? Pet Shop Boys?) and I thought it really allowed the photograph to speak for itself. Seems a shame to hide such wonderful images behind needless words.

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stimpy | 12 November 2009 - 12:41pm

Who took the photo of Chris Evans on page 63?

It's a fantastic image but I couldn't spot a credit.

*edit: I see it now, it's on the seam of the previous page. It was some bloke called Rex.

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Four Eyes | 12 November 2009 - 2:51pm

Mr & Mrs Features young lad?

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stimpy | 12 November 2009 - 2:52pm

That's the fella

He's best friends with the Images' young boy, Getty.

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David Cooper | 13 November 2009 - 1:19am

We don't know

It came from a picture agency, I think - no photographer credit.

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Fraser Lewry | 12 November 2009 - 2:52pm

Review section

I know this has been covered before but hasn’t the review section now been reduced to such an extent that it no longer serves its purpose? Now, I’m not asking for ‘179 albums reviewed!’ as your competitors often claim. Quality rather than quantity and all that.

But this month’s really feels even titchier than before. By my reckoning there are only 11 or 12 new albums reviewed. Add a couple of box sets, the odd live album, half a dozen other reissues and that’s your lot.

Rest of magazine appears to be up to its usual fine standards, I hasten to add.

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Madrid | 12 November 2009 - 2:58pm

I seem to remember that, in the early days of M*j*,

they carried one or two full page reviews of 'significant' albums and that was it; same as Rolling Stone used to do. No bite-sized reviews as has now become the norm.,

Always seemed like a sensible approach to me; you can't properly review an album in 100 words anyway.

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stimpy | 12 November 2009 - 3:05pm

Release schedule in November/December

is historically thin IIRC - acts don't want new product being overlooked in the mass rush to HMV and Woolies (RIP) where Auntie Floss buys her 1 CD purchase (Fall Out Boy's Greatest Hits type thing) a year for nephew/niece.

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Six Dog | 12 November 2009 - 3:37pm

Comedy: starting to wear a bit thin?

Yes, I know it's popular culture and, since Manuelgate, comedians have been at the forefront of national debate, and I'm actually very happy with the magazine's increasing diversification into non-musical areas over the last couple of years, but just how interesting are comics to read about?

Six pages of the new issue* are given over for people who spout forth for a living to spout forth (Jimmy Carr, Jo Brand, Phill Jupitus and Sarah Millican). I mean, it's hardly as if les tiqleurs des ribs have been neglected by the magazine recently. Only last month there was the feature on Viz (four pages) and a double-page spread each for Bill Bailey, Stewart Lee and Andy Hamilton, as well as a page for Steve Martin's take on bluegrass, plus Barry McIlheney devoting his entire TV column to a new sitcom.

With that column and Andrew Collins's, which often also beats the bounds of Chortle-on-Wry, plus the odd feature every now and again - ideally about some time-honoured, dues-paid-with-all-the-bona-fides "doers of comedy" (Clement & Le Frenais, for example, who are not only still alive but still working**) - wouldn't Word have the funnies field covered more than adequately?

Where's me washboard?
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* For what it's worth, I thought the Lily Allen piece was a right good read, me - but then again I am a Fitzite and appreciate that others' mileage may vary.

** They're currently knocking out the script for a film version of top pop penman Neil McCormick's seminal Bonostalkenfestbuch, apparently. (I might not have got that title exactly right. It's something German, anyway.)

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Archie Valparaiso | 12 November 2009 - 4:09pm

Tend to agree re the ubiquity of comics

EIsewhere I thought Jude Rogers was the model of restraint in her dealings with Ben Goldacre. Just as well for him he wasn't interviewed by Rob Fitpatrick.

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cornishmanc | 12 November 2009 - 4:12pm

Agree....

Mildy surprised Jude didn't smash the condescending irritating windbags face in with her handbag.

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Six Dog | 12 November 2009 - 4:39pm

Indeed

Goldacre came across as massive wazzock.

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Spartacus Mills | 12 November 2009 - 4:48pm

Wazzock

is a much neglected term of abuse. Let's use it more often.

I also enjoyed Jude's article, especially as it demonstrates that you should never piss a journalist off when you are being interviewed by them - while Goldacre's comments clearly dug his own grave, Jude was quite obviously happy to put the green baize around the edges and add the headstone.

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Humphrey Plugg | 12 November 2009 - 5:12pm

With very few exceptions...

the people that tend to make me laugh most aren't comedians, and those that make me laugh least are.

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Patrick Crowther | 12 November 2009 - 4:53pm

Bargepole agrees

cut down the comedy articles and improve the reviews section - or is the mag gradually changing emphasis so that it's no longer primarily a music magazine.

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bargepole | 13 November 2009 - 9:57pm

That wasn't really my point

It was more that with so much non-comedy TV, technology, music-biz chaos, books and films out there to talk up, I just felt too much precious space was being given over to the mostly who-cares beefs, beliefs and backstories of one comedian after another, most of whom could be classified as "landfill standup".

Diversification of the mag into non-music areas is something I'm strongly in favour of, as I said.
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For Battlestar Galactica and Ellroy's return from the wilderness to be dealt with in just a column or two while "That Nick Griffin - what a one-eyed bastard, eh?"-school comedians get several pages each, just seems to me... well, just weird.

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Archie Valparaiso | 13 November 2009 - 10:52pm

I am completely in agreement...

I really wouldn't mind if the total music content in the magazine was halved. I buy The Word because it's a wonderful magazine, not a wonderful music magazine.

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Patrick Crowther | 14 November 2009 - 5:32pm

I disagree about the reviews

The reviews section is not particularly important to me - I wouldn't mind if it shrank further, with more focus on recommendations.

One of the aspects I like about The Word is that it has championed The Wire (which I could well have missed, as I don't watch much TV).

I like the broad coverage of non-music, although I agree with Archie's point below that I would have liked some more on Ellroy

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el hombre malo | 14 November 2009 - 9:35am

couldn't disagree

more. Bargepole primarily buys the 'music magazine of the year' for - guess what - it's music coverage, of which there seems to be noticeably less of late.

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bargepole | 14 November 2009 - 9:53am

Agree

I agree, I don't want to read about crap comedians and similar sleb trash. It makes the re-subscription decision difficult if, unlike Patrick, you do want to buy a music magazine. The competition is rubbish too though. A mate of mine has gone over to Rock n Reel and is now a one man sales force for that publication, which suffers, however, from being almost impossible to find!

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Twangothan | 17 November 2009 - 5:17pm

How do you all get the time to read the mag so quickly?

I've only just finished the last one. It takes me all month as I have other magazine commitments and I like to make them last.

And on threads like these I have skip most of what's said about the features because I've yet to read them, especially when people do nothing but complain about what they've just seen. It kind of ruins it for me.

Don't tell me not to read the thread because I'm interested in all threads, whether I comment on them or not.

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Five-Centres | 12 November 2009 - 4:28pm

Yeh

Stop giving the stories away - I like to savour my copy over the month. Just finished the Lily Allen rant. Leave our Rob alone, he says it as he sees it. Like any new father he'll be having a few sleepless nights. Bless.

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Beany | 12 November 2009 - 5:57pm

Barry M On TV

Summed up my views of Synth Britannia and BBC4 docs gloriously in the space of a few hundred words. Brilliant piece

Likewise for Giles Smith's Desert Island Discs feature.

Word readers will obviously want to know that Morrissey has been lined up as the guest castaway on Nov 29th btw.

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ChaileyJem | 12 November 2009 - 6:35pm

Fill in Joke here

Walks out in a huff after Kirsty suprises him with question along the lines of "tell us about your 2nd choice...etc etc"

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ChaileyJem | 12 November 2009 - 6:36pm

New Issue: Graeme Thomson

What is Graeme Thomsons problem with Ryan Adams? Firstly in 2005 he stated that Ryan had released two gems of albums by September (Cold Roses and JCN). Ever since then he has backtracked and laid into the bloke at every opportunity. The most recent of which is the review of AA Bondy album- which is great by the way. Thomson states that AA Bondy has the voice that Ryan somewhere lost along the way. Now Ryan has released album after album of quality music. Graeme is it just that Ryan won't kiss your ass or are you so obsessed with him that you have to mention him in what seems like every review you do. Why don't you piss off back to the Guardian for good. Reading your views damages for me what is a great magazine.

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words36 | 12 November 2009 - 7:55pm

Please read the FAQ

I understand that you've only just registered with the site, but we ask contributors to remain polite when posting. Thanks.

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Fraser Lewry | 12 November 2009 - 8:01pm

I apologise for not being as

I apologise for not being as polite as I might have been , but I have found Graeme's opinions on Ryan Adams as nothing more than a series of cheap shots.

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words36 | 12 November 2009 - 8:08pm

Perhaps it's because

he doesn't like him.

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Five-Centres | 13 November 2009 - 10:53am

Shamil Tanna..

A fine photographer. The thought of him snapping Mark E. Smith for the cover is fascinating but, presumably, we'll have to wait until Krupps start making camera lenses.

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Lenny Law | 13 November 2009 - 12:22am

Classical Music

Found the article with the editor of the classical music mag very interesting (as Mr Ellen had hoped). But it worried me more than slightly when he said that Elgar's Cello Concerto was written "just before World War II". I'm no classical expert but I do know that the Cello Concerto was written just after the end of the First World War, and is in part an elegy to the generation that died in the trenches. Elgar himself died in the early 1930s. If a Word writer had described "Sgt Pepper" as written just before the Millennium we'd all be jumping up and down...

Haven't played the CD yet but am looking forward to the Nyman/McAlmont collaboration - hope it doesn't disappoint

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Humphrey Plugg | 13 November 2009 - 10:48am

He was also a bit off about the Hallé

In the post-Barbirolli haitus, it was James Loughran who knocked that orchestra back into top-flight shape, and despite his own undoubted charisma (he would often turn round and made the odd pithy aside to the audience too), he made sure it was always all about the orchestra rather than about him. Pre-Loughran, it had been more a case of them being Barbirolli's orchestra than him being their principal conductor. And I was told by Free Trade Hall old-timers that towards the end of the great man's tenure, as he declined physically, so did the orchestra artistically, to the extent by the late Sixties things had got shockingly sloppy. Loughran managed to turn that around again remarkably quickly - an achievement not unlike what Barenboim has done with the Staatskapelle.

The Halle's revival after its post-Loughran decline in the Eighties and Nineties has as much to do with resolving funding issues and settling into the Bridgewater Hall as it does to Elder having dressed them in Zara polo-neck sweaters.

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Archie Valparaiso | 13 November 2009 - 11:25am

glad it wasn't just me--in my case

it was the line about Early Music and/or original instruments being the preserve of muesli eating sandal wearers, or something, before John Eliot Gardiner came along, which I think would have come as news to this guy (Pinnock) in the 80s:


and this one (Hogwood) in the 70s:


but, hey, what's a stereotype here and there, eh ? ...and I have after all been known to eat muesli, and wear sandals, sometimes at the same time ...

[PS I'm not knocking Gardiner, just bigging up his contemporaries who were there, and selling well, at least as early--just checked Wikipedia to see that my memory isn't faulty]

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SpaceBoy | 13 November 2009 - 5:59pm

Having just watched

Unforgiven for the nth time, could I also request Shamil Tanna shoot Clint Eastwood?

And Morgan Freeman and Gene Hackman.

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Albert Edward | 14 November 2009 - 1:03am

At least we got a few more pages this issue

up to 122 from 114 - though the DVD box set reviews probably accounts for those.

When exactly did The Word start to shrink?

I've got a couple of old copies from late 2005 that weighed in at 154 pages, so a 40 page shortfall is quite a substantial percentage.

Anyone else notice this downsizing?

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Salty | 14 November 2009 - 9:23am

The cover

Is it just me, or did anyone else wonder when Don Warrington joined The Specials?

Having said that, Terry Hall definitely has a Rigsby-type expression.

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Douglas | 17 November 2009 - 6:06pm

I'd been thinking the very

I'd been thinking the very same!

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Spartacus Mills | 29 November 2009 - 9:42pm
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