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The most stupid thing you ever heard a pop star say
I naturally question the legality of sites like
http://archivedmusicpress.wordpress.com
but they're a great way of reminding yourself that pop star idiocy throughout the years has been surprisingly constant. I was particularly fond of this bon mots from mockney Marxist Damon Albarn, which inadvertently plopped from his charliefied mouth in an NME interview in 1995:
"If Kurt Cobain had played football, he'd be alive today. I know it sounds like the most ridiculous thing, but if you play football, you'd know what that means."
[EDIT: I'm sure sentiments like this would offer great succour to the family and friends of singer Charles Haddon, aged 22, who killed himself yesterday by jumping from a telecom tower at the Pukkelpop festival]
Any other examples of starsh*te that you can remember?
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Before anyone posts it
The famous Mariah Carey quote is apocryphal.
This, on the other hand, isn't
From the Wikipedia entry for Lee Ryan, formerly of boyband Blue:
In the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks on New York city, the group was being interviewed on BBC and, in the midst of it, Ryan commented that "This New York thing is being blown out of proportion" and asked "What about whales? They are ignoring animals that are more important. Animals need saving and that's more important". The other members of the band tried to silence him but Ryan went on.
John Frusciante of RHCP in Q 2002
“Making art is about accepting what’s going on around you and turning it into something beautiful, no matter what it is,” he mumbles. “During this record we had the catastrophe at the Empire State Building and we just kept on writing.”
Let's get Bonio out of the way first
"U2 is an original species... there are colours and feelings and emotional terrain that we occupy that is ours and ours alone."
I think what he meant by that was...
"nobody does flatulent bombast like we do".
But surely he's wrong since the advent of Muse?
No,
Muse do flatulent Neo-classical bombast.
"Am I buggin' ya?
I don't mean to bug ya."
Good intentions and all that, but still...
Just found this from Damon's former drummer
Dave Rowntree:
"We've established ourselves as the biggest band in Britain and that's a fair few ladders up. But I don't want to get mathematical about it. I talk in the broadest possible terms about ladders. There are ladders above, and there are ladders below".
Just what were they cutting it with in 1995?
er...
...ladders?
This is
rungity-rung!
You'll never better pop idiot 'Ducan' from Blue with...
‘who cares about 9/11 when there are whales dying’ Said the day after the attacks.
Not much of a quote as such but
Van the Grump uttering "Me whistling" during the live cut of Cypress Avenue on Too Late to Stop Now curls me up every time.
Funnily enough
I do know what Damon meant when he made that quote about Kurt Cobain. As ever context is everything. If I recall Albarn was lamenting the fact that Cobain felt he had no-one to turn to or didn't have a group of friends that could have allowed him to submerge his personality in a group setting, like football. It was more an observation on Albarn's part that he was grateful that he's still able to do stuff like kick a ball around.
Interesting. I'll remember
to recommend playing team games to the clinically depressed people I work with. At least it's marginally better than telling themselves to pull themselves together.
Isn't it believed that exercise is a good aid for depression?
It can be in some circumstances
but to make blanket assertions about what works for people with mental illnesses is a bit like saying that all headaches can be cured by paracetamol. There is no such thing as a single mental illness that warrants a single cure, and such crass statements sound particularly stupid coming from the mouth of a popstar who, like the rest of us, had no idea about what it was that led Kurt Cobain to kill himself.
Maybe Damon Albarn
should have said that football is better for you than smack
I'd put a case
against football, nasty business
Albarn
was voicing an opinion, not a diagnosis. I'm not aware that when he gave the interview there was a clinical assessment that Cobain took his life for reasons of mental illness.
Even if there had been a definitive verdict as to why Cobain killed himself Albarn still wasn't prescribing football as a cure but as a means of prevention to relieve symptoms associated with the mental pressures of his "job" which is why I believe his comments have been taken out of context. I thought his comments were spoken empathetically as a musician musing on another musician not as a smart-arse trying to be a doctor.
What makes you think that working with people with mental illness gives you a greater insight into the pressures under which Cobain operated than a musician ("popstar") like Albarn who at the time of the interview was probably operating under comparable pressures in exactly the same business as Cobain? Are you saying that Albarn has no legitimate basis upon which to give an opinion? Do you know that for a fact?
As I said before, Albarn's comment - if taken in the context I think it was made - is as much a comment about what helps him as it is about what he thinks might have helped Cobain cope with the pressures he was under. Empathy towards someone doesn't end when that person dies.
I'm not challenging you in your professional capacity but I think Albarn should be allowed to speak in his professional capacity as a musician about another musician.
Hardly a unique opinion either
Tom Jones has opined many a time that Elvis Presley would have lived longer if he went to the pub, i.e engaged with the world instead of retreating to a cocoon of sycophants, pharmaceuticals and 24-hour room service. I am not sure that the two cases are exactly the same, but our Tom and our Damon know a bit about that world.
I never thought it was stupid.
And I don't like football. Or Damon (although I've warmed to him in more recent years...)
Not too keen on the heroin, either.
I did like Nirvana, though.
I knew what he meant.
Gallagher Senior
How about Noel's assertion that , even if he never writes another song, he can rest easy because he is already in the top three songwiters of all time? That's a shame for Randy Newman, Joni Mitchell, Stevie Wonder, Bob Dylan, Burt Bacharach, Brian Wilson etc. etc.
He's spent years banging on
that whatever anyone says about him he was the man who wrote Live Forever as if it was a cross between Autumn Leaves, Great Balls of Fire and Like A Rolling Stone.
I've never heard anyone cover LF..ever! In fact the only Oasis cover I'm familiar with is Mike Flowers Pops version of Wonderwall...hardly a ringing endorsment of a top songwriter.
David Bowie
"When you think about it, Adolf Hitler was the first pop star."
Bet he's still regretting that one.
It´s always dangerous to mention Hitler
But the mass psychosis created by/around him is usually created by pop stars. He may not have been the first "politician" to do so, but he (sadly) played the part to the full and did so with a conviction that manipulated grown ups in a way that are usually reserved for pre teenagers.
I wish Bowie wouldn´t have been so close to the truth when making that remark.
"Dangerous to mention Hitler"
yes you're right, pop stars really should know better.
But you'd be forgiven, following the media outcry/outrage, for believing that Bryan Ferry really was a Holocaust denying neo-Nazi when he only said that the German Army uniforms and visuals were cool.
However, I didn't see any music journalists taking Lemmy to task and accusing him of being a Nazi for wearing SS insignia and Iron Crosses!
I thought it even less specific than that.
Something about Leni Refenstahl's films wasn't it?
EDIT: He said "My God, the Nazis knew how to put themselves in the limelight... Leni Riefenstahl's movies, Albert Speer's buildings, the mass parades and the flags - just amazing. Really beautiful"
Leni Riefenstahl certainly made beautifully photographed films and, for post-Roman, monolithic, awe-inspiring architecture you'd be pushed to beat Speer. Maybe Lutyens' designs for New Delhi?
Aesthetics: Ferry knows his stuff.
Just ill-advised given that he'd just become the poster boy for M&S, and they took exception to his comments; I think that's the main reason the story had any legs at all.
There has to be a reason for our continuing fascination with the Nazis. Well, more than one reason, but - given that 70% of any 'message' is visual perception - the imagery has to be key, doesn't it? He wasn't wrong, nor was Bowie - just ill-judged, wrong place, wrong time. But then when is the right time to say anything positive about one of the most evil and murderous regimes the world has ever known?
I find this stuff fascinating, though. If you go back 2000 years, the Romans understood the power of aesthetics too (of course the Nazis and the Fascists appropriated a great deal of their ideas from Imperial Rome). And, this might sound trivial, but stick with me... George Lucas understood it too. Storm Troopers look cool, and very scary, hence their enduring 30+ years appeal.
Two new posts while I wrote my essay below :)
Darth Vader´s helmet is a German helmet. According to Lucas because then "people would know he was evil even if they didn´t know why they knew".
I didn´t mean it they way you interpreted it
But I prefer your interpretation, so I´m not gonna correct you.
The German Army uniforms and visuals were cool, and that´s why they looked like they did - to create something that was visually stunning and attractive.
While studying history (Christ! 2,5 years - don´t know what I was thinking) I was discussing the visual aspects, perhaps mainly created by Leni Riefenstahl´s movies, with a professor when another teacher joined in and kept saying "but they were bad people, though". We KNOW that. But that doesn´t mean they didn´t know how to pull off their propaganda.
It is a loaded question, and so it should be. But thinking a uniform looks "cool" doesn´t make you a Nazi.
It´s the opposite of that classic Seinfeld quote, "not that there´s anything wrong with that". There are certain issues so politically loaded you have to make sure you don´t put a single foot, toe or hair on one of your toes wrong. Sometimes it´s just easier to not discuss it - even if the things hard to discuss are the ones important to discuss - because someone will (sometimes try really hard to) misunderstand you and use it against you.
And obviously putting Bryan Ferry on the cover of a mag and use a quote like that just slightly out of context will sell some more issues that day.
Fascinating about Lemmy too, as you say. How did HE get away with it? I remember him saying something like "my Jewish friends think it´s alright". Does that make it OK?
I now see I DID correct you. Sorry. But I find this a fascinating subject.
I should pretend to get some proper work done now.
Looking forward to your or any response.
PS. Sweden is a neutral country. DS
Lemmy is not a chap you would like to mess with...
that's one simplistic reason why a lot of journalists probably would not dare to take umbrage with his Nazi bling!
This would also apply to why Oasis got such an easy ride - journalists didn't fancy a slap from Liam!
This thread in the thread started with a quote from Bowie
The man who once wrote "Don´t pick fights with the bullies or the cads/´cause I´m not much cop at punching other people´s dads" inevitable seems easier to pick a fight with than the man who wrote a song called Killed By Death.
(Which, by the way, probably is the best song title ever)
When my son was born in 2000
all I could think about about was 'Kooks' from Hunky Dory. I love that song.
I haven't yet said to him 'When the homework gets you down, we'll just throw it on the fire and take the car downtown...' but I might yet.
Having said that I think Bowie has a proper steely core. No-one has a career like that without incredible inner resources. Not to mention talent.
But I know what you mean.
Get burning those books
he could end up being an acclaimed film director 'borrowing' from other sci fi classics. Like father like son.
Thats all TinC cos I really liked 'Moon'
Haven't seen it.
But I will.
I hope that my son outstrips his father in every way.
Bowie (and Ferry)
Well, it looks like I stirred up a bit of a hornet's nest up with my mention of Bowie's faux pas. Both Bowie and Bryan Ferry studied art before embarking on a career in music and Bowie's interest in mime and theatre and an obsession with the occult, not to mention being a prodigious user of cocaine at the time probably led him to praise Hitler's oratory.
Ferry's comment "the Nazis knew how to put themselves in the limelight" is historically accurate as Hitler's speeches often used light to create a defined open space.
As Ola points out, Bowie was uncomfortably close to the truth in his statement. World history is littered with charismatic leaders who have led their followers to commit acts they might not have done otherwise. Hitler may not have been the first, he rose to power by his oratory and largely by delivering on his promises to the German people.
"I'm a bisexual who's never had a homosexual experience"
Course you are, Brett.
I beg to differ
I loved that quote from Brett Anderson. Startlingly unusual angle on the endlessly discussed subject of sexuality. I remember reading the whole interview at the time, and thinking he was just being honest. I don't get why it's "stupid".
"It's a fine line between clever and stupid"
As a wiser man than me once said.
I guess it's a question of how true it feels.
I read it and heard "I'm heterosexual but would quite like to give the impression I'm a little edgier than that really".
Alternatively why didn't he just say "I'm bisexual"? Ah, because David Bowie had done that ten years earlier. Brett had to find an extra little angle for the soundbite to have any impact.
But as you say, maybe he was just being honest and I'm being overly cynical.
As another fine man once said...
"'cos everybody hates a tourist, especially one who thinks it's all such a laugh."
All it would take would be one unwelcome hand on his lap, one threat of physical violence from some homophobic bonehead or the threat of losing his 9-to-5 to turn Brett Anderson into the straightest man alive.
That's why a good number of gay men think that idiots like Brett Andersons are total c*nts.
And how exactly do you know this?
Do you know him personally? If you don't, then you simply don't know what you're talking about.
I'm sure you're right in what you say in your final para, if you mean there's a hatred of insincere posturing. Brett A may have been being sincere. I would have thought people like Jonathan Ross would be far higher up the shit list of gay men, with his incessant "I'm so gay-friendly, me" schtick used as a fig-leaf to smuggle in his homophobic banter and his featuring a group called 4 Poofs and a Piano on his show.
As one of those
Tourist-hating gay men myself, trust me; as yet another wise man said, you don't need a weather vane to know which way the wind blows.
I couldn't help notice, by the way that you quickly set about dismantling the psyche of Wossy immediately after you'd leapt on me for supposedly doing the same to BE.
Dismantling his psyche?
I thought I was describing Ross's behaviour more than psychoanalysing him. Surely Ross does always bang on about what a gay-friendly metrosexual man he is; and he did used to include some very near-the-knuckle jokes, directed at his house band, who were called 4 Poofs and a Piano. I accept that I then threw in a little speculation as to whether he is not perhaps protesting too much. May I ask you, then, if you ever watched his chat show? If you did, did all these shenanigans piss you off? If I were a gay man they'd have riled me enormously.
As far as Brett Anderson is concerned, fair enough, you see it differently. I thought, reading the interview at the time, that it was rather admirable thing to say.
Figleaf
Excellent comment about Jonathon Ross's house band.
I think he is a smarmy patronising c*nt.
"Do you know him...?"
If you applied this rule rigorously to all the posts on this Blog then we wouldn't really be able to say very much really would we?
Celebs, musicians, figures in the public domain are always going to be judged, rightly or wrongly, on their public actions and pronouncements. So I think it is fair that us regular punters can have an opinion on what we believe is their character.
To say someone doesn't know what they are talking about because they don't personally know a musician in question is a bit harsh isn't it
That would make most music journalism irrelevant straight away.
Can I have Michael Caine?
He was on a chat show once and he was talking about the lot of the out of work actor. He had a sympathetic audience, possibly an "audience with"-type thing. He talked about the day-to-day stress experienced by the actor that can't make ends meet. No arguments there.
But then he talked about the frequent auditions and the need to pick yourself up after every rejection. Then he said something along these lines : "coping with that kind of pressure is something that people who just work in shops, offices and factories simply don't understand." At this point, his voice quivered a little with emotion and the audience spontaneously applauded.
I love Michael Caine - and for him to say something so very stupid really got to me.
Glen Gregory of the "Sunset Now" hitmakers Heaven 17
"You can't come from South Yorkshire and not be a socialist."
"Cruise missiles are all right so long as they're pointing at America."
Although I shall withdraw my j'accuse if the Record Mirror hacks who quoted him can assure me he said these with a rueful chuckle to indicate he was just exaggerating and not to be taken at face value. Because on the broadcast media, Glen seems a thoroughly agreeable cove.
Evan Dando to me
"Er, dude, can you help me out? I'm locked in this toilet"
Britpop cocks
"In this season of goodwill, let's pray that Michael Stipe goes the same way as Freddie Mercury pretty soon" - Nicky Wire
""I wish they would catch Aids and die" (ie Damon Albarn and Alex James) - Noel Gallagher
It truly was a golden era
Concidering that Nicky Wire
has been referring to his academic degree and how utterly intelligent and well read he is in every single interview I´ve ever read with him, it´s a bit of a surprise. Had it been, say, Liam it would only have been another day at the office, after all. Or maybe another day in the pub.
In fairness
I often read things on the internet, and on this site even, where people wish some kind of violence or death on somebody.
Oh
thats alright then.
That's all right
if you have double standards, yes.
Yes
Despite living in the age of happy slapping, flaming, trolling and disrespectingmyfamilyormymatesinnit I think wishing death on someone either online or real life is a shitty thing to do.
Unless its Nick Knowles.....dammit!
I agree
And I´m gonna kill you! With a spoon! And duct tape your pets to a flagpole! Twice! If you haven´t go a pet I will give you one first. I´m not unreasonable.
My favourite
Johnny Borrell of Razorlight "Bob Dylan's making the chips, I'm making the champagne"
Marvellous...
...but what can Johnny mean? Mr Borrell is pictured in the Tatler/Harpers Bizarre social columns every bloody month, and I still can't bear to look at him.
is it his grapey
feet?
I'm sure a certain Declan MacManus would agree
that Elvis Costello's description of Ray Charles as a 'blind, ignorant, nigger' was utterly stupid, even if said in a drunken argument with Stephen Stills & Bonnie Bramlettin the Ohio Holiday Inn bar, March 1979.
Elvis later had the opportunity
to meet Mr Charles when his wife duetted with him but still could not bring himself to do so he was so guilty and ashamed of his moment of drunken madness. Despite Ray Charles saying at the time-
"Anyone could get drunk at least once. Drunken talk isn’t meant to be printed in the paper and people should judge Mr. Costello by his songs rather than his stupid bar talk.”
That's extremely magnanimous of Mr Charles
and completely negates the insult. After all, 'blind' is factual, as, I suppose, is 'nigger', although derogatory and racist even in 1979. The real insult is 'ignorant' and Ray's response displays exactly the opposite.
Elvis was a twat for saying it drunk or not
and after the way he and Jake Riviera had been goading the US press and behaving like an invading army its unsurprising they let him have it with both barrels
Phil Collins
When asked why didn't do the Free Nelson Mandela concert at Wembley, he responded that he didn't support terrorism.
Cock.
Except
I seem to remember he was in Midge Ure's band at that show. No?
Which Mandela concert at Wembley did Collins not play ?
The first one, the 1988 one, while Mandela was still in prison perhaps ?
The one where he played drums for the Bee Gees ?
Actually, was he not the drummer in the (cough) All Star Band, i.e. all day ?
I'm sure there are better clips out there.
Or clips that even work
Just Google for Phil Collins and Nelson Mandela : the clips are out there.
And the winner is......
And the winner is........ this breathtaking display of arseholery from Clod, oh sorry i mean God?!?
A drunk Clapton spoke out in support of Enoch Powell at a gig in Birmingham in 1976. 'I think Enoch's right ... we should send them all back. Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!'. His reported remarks were a factor in the creation of Rock Against Racism.
Stupid maybe but a reasonably popular
and frequently-expressed working-class opinion at the time.
Remember, this was the era of 'Love Thy Neighbour', 'Curry And Chips', and 'Mind Your Language'. you could turn on your TV and hear black characters being called "Sambo" and "Nig-nog" on prime-time shows.
Possibly,
but then Jack Smethurst hadn't previously made a name for himself by milking Chicago Bluesmen and Bob Marley for hits.
It was the irony as much as the stupidity that stung for most people.
Since Clapton, of all
Since Clapton, of all people, certainly carved his entire career out of black music, its hard to conceive that he would have come up with that old twaddle. But I guess the story has never been completely denied.
Fair point.
It's a fair point. I suppose we should feel good about how far most of us have travelled in a relatively short space of time.
Re: your edit in your original post and Albarn's comment
Meaning what exactly? Aren't you now just making the kind of "blanket assertions" with this comment that you used to criticise Albarn? Are you not making assumptions about Haddon and what prompted him to take his life by associating Albarn's comment with the circumstances of his death?
You're taking a comment made by a musician in an interview made 15 years ago about a suicide of another musician months before that interview and determining that such a comment can be associated within 24 hours of the suicide of another musician.
I fail to see what point you are trying to make by adding this edit and it just seems, to use your word, crass.
Now when I read that....
...I saw a darkly sarcastic inversion of the intent - like that could ever be such a thing to the bereaved. But maybe that's just me trying to read nudges and winks into things where emoticons are verboten.
And no I'm not a nazi either.
A strong contender in The Guardian today.
'With these new concerts and material, Bono wants to reassert U2's value to their fans. "Have we got what it takes to make this experience one that people will remember for the rest of their lives? Or is it going to be four over-rewarded musicians playing in a football stadium?" he asked. "We're alchemists. We turn shit into gold. We turn it into a communion."'
To give Bonzo his due, at least he can see
that what he does looks to the world like '...four over-rewarded musicians playing in a football stadium...' Not that many 'rock stars' are so self-aware. Probably his self-awareness is his downfall.
I admire him because, even at this stage in his career, he's reaching for something else.
U2 could just turn up, crank it out and put the money in the bank, but I don't think they do.
I know he sounds like a twat, and I probably do as well, but I can't help liking the guy.
I'm with you, Adman...
... though I don't think he sounds like a twat.
He's quite clearly an exceptional human being, but doesn't try and project infallibility - as many of his peers do. He's just verbose and flowery with his language, and he tends to turn the blarney-charm up to 11.
And, in my book, he manages to walk the talk. I saw U2 last summer in Sheffield and, doubtlessly a generally fairly run of the mill night for them, there were moments of transcendance. As you say, he's still reaching for something else, and for that the band should be admired.
I agree with you
I´m not a major U2 fan, but I appreciate the fact that he says "we want to be the biggest band in the world, we work hard for this" and not the usual "I´m collecting waves and, dude, I´m like totally deep".
Also can´t help but appreciate the fact that there are people who use their fame for something more constructive than doing drugs and shagging Pamela Anderson.
A reporter once asked Bono "what´s the difference between god and Bono?". Bono didn´t know the answer, and was informed that god doesn´t think he´s Bono. He answered this with a question - "how do YOU know?"
The Egde should ditch his headgear, though.
I was thinking more about that last bit.
"We're alchemists. We turn shit into gold. We turn it into a communion."
That's comedy, though...
... surely?
One would hope so.
but it looks like the jury's still out on that one.
Bono
gives good copy but it is a double-edged sword for him as he can say something like that - and I can actually picture him saying it tongue-in-cheek - but if he says it in a room full of journalists with his sunglasses on it is easy for the irony to be lost. Plus, journalists might want an angle and will take what he says and manipulate its context so a statement like that is framed in a paragraph that perhaps draws a conclusion that he's acting like a strutting peacock rather than as a showman trying to amuse himself as much as anyone else while conducting yet another interview answering yet another version of a question he's been asked 5,714 times before.
Benefit of the doubt for me because I can't honestly believe he says "We turn shit into gold" with no hint or irony. He may be annoyingly evangelical but he is very self-aware of his public persona. I bet even he would like a day off from being Bono but he's committed himself to so many causes he has too much of a conscience to let anyone else down.
I've knocked him and his band in the past on here for various reasons but he has my respect even if he doesn't have my appreciation of all that he is and represents.
No Geri Halliwell yet?
Will never forget Ginger making a prize twot of herself when The Spice Girls lined up to have their picture taken with Nelson Mandela for a worldwide press conference back in the late 90's.
Halliwell shamelessly used the occasion to compare Mandela's imprisonment and fight against apartheid with Girl Power(!), " 'coz, they're both like about freeing yourself and like being free, yeah? " or some other such moronic drivel nearly drowned out by the sound of Stephen Biko turning in his grave.
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Didn't a chap in a band once say something along the lines of..
"We're bigger than Jesus now"
Which was almost certainly true at the time, but a bit daft in view of the inevitable shitstorm which later erupted.
Stupid popstars (Who knew???)
Surely Badly Drawn Boy asking the crowd to participate in a huge 'Mexican wave' at a benefit gig for the victims of ..ermm..The Tsunami disaster....
Some more goofs here...
http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/madonna-bids-most-stupid-crown
OF COURSE. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS.
"The Jews are wicked. And we can prove this." "[They are responsible for] a majority of wickedness that goes on across the globe."
--Professor Griff of Public Enemy, in a 1989 interview with the Washington Times. He was dismissed from the band shortly thereafter, although hired back, quietly, sometime later.
Kylie and the rhinos
Kylie Minogue, when asked her opinion of South Africa during apartheid replied "They should stop killing the rhinos" .
Sydney Morning Herald, May 2003
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/09/1052280432668.html