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The long, slow demise of The Simpsons
The Simpsons. Truly one of the finest shows ever to be broadcast. At least it used to be. Standards slipped ten years ago and have been steadily sliding ever since.
In increasingly desperate attempts to keep things fresh the producers lost sight of everything that made it more than just good but actually remarkable, its warmth. Plots became increasingly ludicrous and high spec, characters were diluted, there were recurrent gags about being poked repeatedly in the eye, and, most disappointing of all, Homer J Simpson stoped being a loveable oaf and became instead an ignorant bully.
So maybe news of the show's possible demise due to voice-cast contract wrangling is actually a sweet relief.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15179431
Still, if Fox save a few pennies by cancelling The Simpsons maybe they can finally commission the live action version of Police Cops.
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not watched
the simpsons for years. My 8 year old loves it, I love Family Guy.
Money
So the main players' salary is to be cut in half from $8m per season to $4m per seaoson. And in this climate they're complaining about it? That doesn't look too good, does it, when millions - some of their fans among them - are barely scraping by.
Okay, no one wants to take a pay cut, but when you're on that sort of money what posible difference can it make to you?
Greed will perhaps be this show's final undoing.
Compared to the money
that Fox makes from the show worldwide its nothing. And its not as if they could sack them and get soundalikes. Or could they? Or would they? etc.
Most cartoon Tv comedy wouldn't be the same or even exist without it yet South Park went through a sticky patch but still has the power to surprise. Family Guy is way past its best IMO.
The Simpsons still shows flashes of genius but I saw my favourite episode "Homerpalooza" the other day and it was line after brilliant line.
*as a giant inflatable pig sails into the air*
'Oh jeeze, there goes Peter Frampton's big finish'
Maybe we could have the spinoff shows with Wiggum battling crime in The Big Easy and the Love Tester Grandpa.
for Fox sake
They could/would/might get soundalikes. In fact it is surprising that they havent done so already - would save a few bob.
Billy Corgan, Smashing Pumpkins
Homer Simpson, smiling politely
.
Hipster 1: "Wow, this is so cool."
Hipster 2: "Are you being sarcastic?"
Hipster 1: " I can't even tell any more."
Ok
who booked the London Philharmonic Orchestra....possibly while hiiigghhh....Cypress Hill, I'm looking in your direction....
Fox was a willing participant
in driving those salaries up simply by paying them. Now that ad revs have dropped talent needs to take a pay cut. What goes around...
Or this could just all be PR spin by agents and network in their annual salary battle.
Uh oh
Spaghettio's.
If Fox are making the same cash from The Simpsons and through the merchandising, why should the cast take 50% pay cuts?
Even in austerity, I fail to see why the key players should bend over and be rogered by Rupert.
Rogered by Rupert
TM... oh, never mind.
Rogered By Rupert
is a dream that Stewie from Family Guy often has.
What the deuce!!!
That's
a paddlin'.
Oh so
they have internet on computers now
I like my beer cold, my TV loud and my homosexuals flaming!!!
For me it was the decline of Moe...
...that stopped me watching. I used to LOVE Moe. I loved all the "put the killer whales out back, boys" stuff. I loved the whole thing of the bar, and Barney - like when Moe is out and Barney just plugs himself into the beer tap ("Uh oh. Heart stopped. Hup! There it goes.")
But they started making Moe really, depressingly, suicidally tragic. It bummed me right out. Couldn't watch after that.
Agreed
Suicide is less funny than misanthropy
Wither...
Pinchy?
I have
given him a nice hot bath...
Maybe they should bring in a new character
who is totally in your face, proactive, radical and cool.
Unfortunately Poochie died on his way back to his home planet
ha ha
Oh Oscar, that's awfully good :-)
New Simpsons
Not being a Sky subscriber, I'm waaaay behind on The Simpsons. However, I was delighted recently to discover that Channel 4 have got some "new" episodes. They're actually from 2006 of course, being as new as they get, but I'm enjoying these ones. (I'd buy the box sets but they're years behind too.)
Perhaps it was already passed it's peak then, but I'm still enjoying it. I'd be sad to see it go, but at least there are 100+ episodes I'm still yet to see. It has to end eventually of course, but it would be sad to see it end like this. It's always money in the end isn't it.
(By the way, favourite episode? Have to be 'The B-Sharps' one.)
A year or so back, I started buying the box sets
in chronological order. Less than a fiver each on that eBay. It's amazing how good the first few series are.
Seasons 3 to 6
Solid gold! Not a line wasted. And most of the plot-lines followed little domestic dramas, none of this Marge has got new boobs malarkey or "Hey, let's go to Brazil" (although that does have the "now the monkeys cannot bite me" line). Too contrived.
I might pick up the earlier ones
I might pick up some of the earlier ones at that price!
I remember genuinely waiting to find out who shot Mr Burns, can't believe how long ago that was.
Do it!
You'll be amazed at how fresh and tight the early years were. Barely an ounce of fat on the scripts.
Oh yes its a close run between Homerpalooza
and the B-Sharps ep which is a great love letter to the Fabs. With real Beatle
and this still image parody of the Let It be sessions
Taking Barbershop to new exciting places...
Burp, number 10, burp, number 10, burp, number 10
Inspired satire.
Now, does anyone like bass?
The secret to enjoying the Simpsons
is to only watch them on C4. Most of the ones they show are from the nineties. You've seen 'em before, but you want to see them again. And again.
There's only two types of guys who wear Hawaiian shirts
Big fat party animals and gay guys, and Bart doesn't look like a big fat party animal to me.
isn't that the
'steers and queers' line from officer and a gentleman rehashed?
I can't be a missionary...
I don't even believe in Jebus!
Worst. Thread. Ever.
.... no groaning in my store.
Ccchhow-dare!
Yeewww say Chowdah!
There was no replacing this gent...
Mr Phil Hartman:
When I grow up I want to go to Bovine University!
I'm not taking
this tripe!
"My good looks paid for this pool ...."
"... and my talent filled it with water! Hi, I'm the actor Troy McLure!"
... who of course we all remember from such films as Makeout King of Montana and Dial M For Murderousness! I couldn't agree more Roo - Hartmann's performance as Troy and Lionel Hutz were fantastic, my 2 favourite characters easily.
Get all my Simps-stuff via Channel 4 these days and it really shows when 'new' eps from the space year 2006 rock up, cos you get that feeling of 'not seen this one! A new pleasure!' followed 5 minutes later by 'hmm, its ... OK, is all'. Then they'll show an early ep of summat that reeks of quality to remind us of the differential, like Troy's escapades in the musical 'Stop The Planet Of The Apes, I want To Get Off!' Altogether now, 'Oh I hate every ape I see-eee! From chimpan-A to chimpan-Zee! But you'll never make a monkey out of me-eee!'
Star of self motivational films such as...
Smoke Yourself Thin
and
Get Confident Stupid!
That took a lot of class
My favourite Lionel Hutz moment
is when he panics in his office and says "Excuse me, I'm just bgoing down to the basement" and does the pretending to walk downstairs thing behind his desk before peeking his eyes over to see if the Simpsons have gone
Late Ms. Bouvier [video-will]: Now let's get down to business...
Hutz [voice dubbed in]: To my executor, Lionel Hutz, I leave $50,000.
Marge: Mr. Hutz!!!
Hutz: You'd be surprised how often that works, you really would.
Where
are the sticky buns?
Best non-verbal line ever!
The concentrated look on Homer's face
as he is writing that note, whilst Apu flails away on the telephone is priceless.
A million ups if I could.
Yodel.
Best episode? Homer vs NYC.
Odd
that's one of the episodes I'm really not too keen on. Wasn't it a milestone episode? Episode 100?
Saw that only the other night
edited since 9\11 naturally.
Has some great lines
Marge: "Ever since I was a little girl I've always dreamed of being in the audience of a Broadway show"
- The sequence where Barney is chosen as designated driver
- The "The Sting" bit of Homer's previous misadventures in NYC
- Bart aping a homeless man on the subway "ladies and gentlemen, I was unfortunate enough to be born without tastebuds *licks metal pole and pulls sick face* ok folks, I'm done here"
The "I'm Checking Out" song
Homer needing the loo, seeing a bus for "Flushing Meadows" which helps *cue fantasy sequence of him running through green valley of toilets waving their lids* then whistling while walking up to a mailbox. Postman "Don't even think about it!"
Bart entering the offices of "Mad" magazine...
"I'm here for the tour. My father has a subscription"
How much funnier...
is it you are American, and get *all* the in jokes.
My favourtite exchange
Homer at the post office trying to retrieve an angry letter to Mr Burns that Bart has posted
That letter being
"Dear Mr. Burns. I'm so glad you enjoyed my son's blood, and your card was just great. In case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic. You stink! You are a senile bucktoothed old mummy with bony girl arms and you smell like an elephant's butt!"
Ok, what's your first name Mr Burns?
Brilliant.
Oh, I love it. My favourite Simpsons scene.
Except, maybe, for the end of the Gummi Bear episode:
Or the Leonard Nimoy bit from The Springfield Files:
Both brilliant ones.
In The Springfield Files, I particularly like Homer on the treadmill.
MULDER
Wait a minute, Scully. What's the point of this test?
SCULLY
No point. I just thought he could stand to lose a little weight.
MULDER
His jiggling is almost hypnotic.
SCULLY
Yes. It's like a lava lamp.
The Gummi Bear Episode
is a joy. Particularly the Jerry Springer style show fronted by Gentle Ben with a microphone stuck to his head.
And the "Dateline" skit
Purporting to prove Homer's inappropriate behaviour. Watch the clock go backwards and forwards...
"Mr Simpson, your silence proves more than hard evidence ever could"
Ben! No!
Dramatization! May not have happened
!
New Simpsons Episode Gets an F
A lot of the early episodes are emotional, and not just centred around the dysfunctional nature of the family. That's what I like about them.
What else are they going to do?
It makes me laugh that the likes of Nancy Cartwright are turning down £2m a year for doing the voice of Bart because her skill is totally non-transferable.
If she peddled her talent for doing the voice of a 10 year-old boy around there wouldn't be many takers. Sure Fox need her but she needs them much, much more.
Also, it is shown in more than 100 countries, but in the majority is dubbed with the voices of other actors. If they got rid of the likes of Cartwright, etc. and replaced them with actors on say £350,000 pa the rest of the world wouldn't care. I think Fox should call their bluff then hold a reality show to find replacement voices.
Update: They've got two more seasons
I am the Angel of Death.
The Time of Purification is at hand.
Release the hounds!
Harry Shearer (aka Mr Burns, Flanders, Rev Lovejoy and many more) puts in his 2 cents
Go Derek!
Exactly what I said earlier in the thread.
Mr Burns
Maybe he should have a word with Burns' people, see if they can negotiate a better deal. I hear they have dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees.
Sideshow Bob
Particularly in the re-make episode of Cape Fear.
Being duped by Bart to sing 'The Mikado' Quite the funniest voice work Kelsey Grammer has done.
That and hiding underneath the Simpson's station wagon on the way there.
Homer: 'Who wants me to drive across the cactus strewn desert?'
Family: 'Yayyyy!'
Sideshow Bob: (muted and agonised) 'Nooooo...'
Die Bart, Die.
Sideshow Bob: "It's German. It means "The Bart, the."
Parole Board member: "Oh, well, no-one who speaks German could possibly be evil."
Christ, it's a good episode
Even now, I still do the quiet agonised 'Noooo...' if forced to do things I don't want to.
That and the malovelent shudder 'urghhhhhh...'
That also has the 'Mr Thompson'
scene where the FBI are trying to train Homer to accept his new identity
Whispers...."I think he's talking to you..."
Brilliant
I also love the
scene in the cinema with instead of SSB (as the Mitchum\De Niro villain) uproariously laughing at the film it's Homer's hysterics over a crass joke that has Bob spitting feathers
And when they bought in David Hyde Pierce as Bob's brother Cecil that only added sweet sweet gravy to the dish
the Cecil episode
was a masterstroke. Right down to the Frasier style 'cards' before their scenes!
Agreed
Bart jumps on Cecil at one point and says, 'Guess who?'
'Maris?' replies Cecil.
'Brother From Another Series', it's called.
Bob's "angry, angry" replacement
I always liked one of Bob's replacements, Sideshow Raheem:
Krusty: Ah... the script says I have to bonk you with this
Raheem: I wouldn't
Eat the pudding
Eat the pudding eat the pudding eat the pudding eat the pudding
Best line
I ever heard was in one of the very early episodes......hired on video (a long time ago) to entertain the kids one afternoon.
The episode saw Homer give Marge a bowling ball for her birthday, she fell in love with the bowling coach and contemplated leaving Homer before a reconciliation scene at the power plant.
To the strains of "Love lifts us up" from An Officer and Gentleman Homer sweeps Marge off her feet and carries her out. One of his colleagues asks Homer what he should say to the boss if he asks where Homer has got to, to which Homer says:
"Tell him I've gone to the back seat of my car with the woman I love and I won't be back for 10 minutes".
Must be 20 odd years since I last saw it and am sniggering now just thinking about it. Such a brilliant line.
Up there with
" Marge, we're getting some drive-thru, then we're doing it twice!"
I knew I shouldn't have eaten
that packet of expired gravy I found in the parking lot
"Hi, Everybody!"
Dr Nick Riviera, proud alumnus of the Hollywood Upstairs Medical College:
One of my friends is a Dr Nick
Works at St Mary's Paddington.
He wears his scrubs everywhere. Pub. Scrubs. Football. Scrubs. Shopping. Scrubs. Was genuinely shocked when he turned up to a wedding of a mutual friend in a suit. Once turned up to assist us with some "ad-hoc" work in an office with a huge mailout order to process for a key client wearing a set of scrubs whereby you could clearly see that "the boys were out of the barracks". Two girls very nearly fainted.
And he's still not sick of the "hi, everybody" "hi Dr Nick" skit. I think he loves it.
Hurricane Neddy
I'm not a bad man. I don't drink or dance or swear. I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! I've even kept kosher, just to stay on the safe side.
Flanders' Dad: We can't do it, man! That's discipline! That's like tellin' Gene Krupa not to go "boom boom bam bam bam, boom boom bam bam bam, boom boom boom bam ba ba ba ba, da boo boo tss!" We don't believe in rules, like, we gave them up when we started livin' like freaky beatniks!
Dr. Foster: You don't believe in rules, yet you want to control Ned's anger.
Flanders' Mom: Yeah. You gotta help us, Doc. We've tried nothin' and we're all out of ideas.