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The long, slow demise of The Simpsons

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The Simpsons. Truly one of the finest shows ever to be broadcast. At least it used to be. Standards slipped ten years ago and have been steadily sliding ever since.

In increasingly desperate attempts to keep things fresh the producers lost sight of everything that made it more than just good but actually remarkable, its warmth. Plots became increasingly ludicrous and high spec, characters were diluted, there were recurrent gags about being poked repeatedly in the eye, and, most disappointing of all, Homer J Simpson stoped being a loveable oaf and became instead an ignorant bully.

So maybe news of the show's possible demise due to voice-cast contract wrangling is actually a sweet relief.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15179431

Still, if Fox save a few pennies by cancelling The Simpsons maybe they can finally commission the live action version of Police Cops.

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not watched

the simpsons for years. My 8 year old loves it, I love Family Guy.

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niscum | 5 October 2011 - 1:47pm

Money

So the main players' salary is to be cut in half from $8m per season to $4m per seaoson. And in this climate they're complaining about it? That doesn't look too good, does it, when millions - some of their fans among them - are barely scraping by.

Okay, no one wants to take a pay cut, but when you're on that sort of money what posible difference can it make to you?

Greed will perhaps be this show's final undoing.

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Five-Centres | 5 October 2011 - 1:50pm

Compared to the money

that Fox makes from the show worldwide its nothing. And its not as if they could sack them and get soundalikes. Or could they? Or would they? etc.

Most cartoon Tv comedy wouldn't be the same or even exist without it yet South Park went through a sticky patch but still has the power to surprise. Family Guy is way past its best IMO.

The Simpsons still shows flashes of genius but I saw my favourite episode "Homerpalooza" the other day and it was line after brilliant line.

*as a giant inflatable pig sails into the air*
'Oh jeeze, there goes Peter Frampton's big finish'

Maybe we could have the spinoff shows with Wiggum battling crime in The Big Easy and the Love Tester Grandpa.

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DogFacedBoy | 5 October 2011 - 1:59pm

for Fox sake

They could/would/might get soundalikes. In fact it is surprising that they havent done so already - would save a few bob.

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paulwright | 5 October 2011 - 2:12pm

Billy Corgan, Smashing Pumpkins

Homer Simpson, smiling politely

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Norwegian Blue | 5 October 2011 - 3:02pm

.

Hipster 1: "Wow, this is so cool."

Hipster 2: "Are you being sarcastic?"

Hipster 1: " I can't even tell any more."

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Mac45 | 5 October 2011 - 3:07pm

Ok

who booked the London Philharmonic Orchestra....possibly while hiiigghhh....Cypress Hill, I'm looking in your direction....

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DogFacedBoy | 5 October 2011 - 3:24pm

Fox was a willing participant

in driving those salaries up simply by paying them. Now that ad revs have dropped talent needs to take a pay cut. What goes around...

Or this could just all be PR spin by agents and network in their annual salary battle.

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MyAmericanMate | 5 October 2011 - 2:00pm

Uh oh

Spaghettio's.

If Fox are making the same cash from The Simpsons and through the merchandising, why should the cast take 50% pay cuts?

Even in austerity, I fail to see why the key players should bend over and be rogered by Rupert.

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Six Dog | 5 October 2011 - 2:16pm

Rogered by Rupert

TM... oh, never mind.

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MyAmericanMate | 5 October 2011 - 3:27pm

Rogered By Rupert

is a dream that Stewie from Family Guy often has.

What the deuce!!!

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DogFacedBoy | 5 October 2011 - 3:32pm

That's

a paddlin'.

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Moose the Mooche | 5 October 2011 - 9:57pm

Oh so

they have internet on computers now

I like my beer cold, my TV loud and my homosexuals flaming!!!

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DogFacedBoy | 5 October 2011 - 2:17pm

For me it was the decline of Moe...

...that stopped me watching. I used to LOVE Moe. I loved all the "put the killer whales out back, boys" stuff. I loved the whole thing of the bar, and Barney - like when Moe is out and Barney just plugs himself into the beer tap ("Uh oh. Heart stopped. Hup! There it goes.")

But they started making Moe really, depressingly, suicidally tragic. It bummed me right out. Couldn't watch after that.

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Bob | 5 October 2011 - 3:12pm

Agreed

Suicide is less funny than misanthropy

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Roo | 5 October 2011 - 8:41pm

Wither...

Pinchy?

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Patrick Crowther | 5 October 2011 - 3:27pm

I have

given him a nice hot bath...

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Six Dog | 5 October 2011 - 3:50pm

Maybe they should bring in a new character

who is totally in your face, proactive, radical and cool.

Unfortunately Poochie died on his way back to his home planet

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DogFacedBoy | 5 October 2011 - 3:31pm

ha ha

Oh Oscar, that's awfully good :-)

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niscum | 5 October 2011 - 3:47pm

New Simpsons

Not being a Sky subscriber, I'm waaaay behind on The Simpsons. However, I was delighted recently to discover that Channel 4 have got some "new" episodes. They're actually from 2006 of course, being as new as they get, but I'm enjoying these ones. (I'd buy the box sets but they're years behind too.)

Perhaps it was already passed it's peak then, but I'm still enjoying it. I'd be sad to see it go, but at least there are 100+ episodes I'm still yet to see. It has to end eventually of course, but it would be sad to see it end like this. It's always money in the end isn't it.

(By the way, favourite episode? Have to be 'The B-Sharps' one.)

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kidpresentable | 5 October 2011 - 3:41pm

A year or so back, I started buying the box sets

in chronological order. Less than a fiver each on that eBay. It's amazing how good the first few series are.

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stimpy | 5 October 2011 - 3:56pm

Seasons 3 to 6

Solid gold! Not a line wasted. And most of the plot-lines followed little domestic dramas, none of this Marge has got new boobs malarkey or "Hey, let's go to Brazil" (although that does have the "now the monkeys cannot bite me" line). Too contrived.

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Roo | 5 October 2011 - 8:46pm

I might pick up the earlier ones

I might pick up some of the earlier ones at that price!

I remember genuinely waiting to find out who shot Mr Burns, can't believe how long ago that was.

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kidpresentable | 5 October 2011 - 9:29pm

Do it!

You'll be amazed at how fresh and tight the early years were. Barely an ounce of fat on the scripts.

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stimpy | 6 October 2011 - 2:12am

Oh yes its a close run between Homerpalooza

and the B-Sharps ep which is a great love letter to the Fabs. With real Beatle

and this still image parody of the Let It be sessions

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DogFacedBoy | 5 October 2011 - 5:47pm

Taking Barbershop to new exciting places...

Burp, number 10, burp, number 10, burp, number 10

Inspired satire.

Now, does anyone like bass?

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Six Dog | 6 October 2011 - 12:13pm

The secret to enjoying the Simpsons

is to only watch them on C4. Most of the ones they show are from the nineties. You've seen 'em before, but you want to see them again. And again.

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Moose the Mooche | 5 October 2011 - 9:55pm

There's only two types of guys who wear Hawaiian shirts

Big fat party animals and gay guys, and Bart doesn't look like a big fat party animal to me.

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Six Dog | 5 October 2011 - 3:55pm

isn't that the

'steers and queers' line from officer and a gentleman rehashed?

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niscum | 5 October 2011 - 3:58pm

I can't be a missionary...

I don't even believe in Jebus!

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Con Coleman | 5 October 2011 - 4:18pm

Worst. Thread. Ever.

.... no groaning in my store.

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Moose the Mooche | 5 October 2011 - 5:52pm

Ccchhow-dare!

Yeewww say Chowdah!

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GD Nicholson Esq. | 5 October 2011 - 6:43pm

There was no replacing this gent...

Mr Phil Hartman:

When I grow up I want to go to Bovine University!

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Roo | 5 October 2011 - 8:53pm

I'm not taking

this tripe!

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Moose the Mooche | 5 October 2011 - 9:26pm

"My good looks paid for this pool ...."

"... and my talent filled it with water! Hi, I'm the actor Troy McLure!"

... who of course we all remember from such films as Makeout King of Montana and Dial M For Murderousness! I couldn't agree more Roo - Hartmann's performance as Troy and Lionel Hutz were fantastic, my 2 favourite characters easily.

Get all my Simps-stuff via Channel 4 these days and it really shows when 'new' eps from the space year 2006 rock up, cos you get that feeling of 'not seen this one! A new pleasure!' followed 5 minutes later by 'hmm, its ... OK, is all'. Then they'll show an early ep of summat that reeks of quality to remind us of the differential, like Troy's escapades in the musical 'Stop The Planet Of The Apes, I want To Get Off!' Altogether now, 'Oh I hate every ape I see-eee! From chimpan-A to chimpan-Zee! But you'll never make a monkey out of me-eee!'

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Freaky Trigger | 5 October 2011 - 10:52pm

Star of self motivational films such as...

Smoke Yourself Thin

and

Get Confident Stupid!

That took a lot of class

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Six Dog | 6 October 2011 - 12:15pm

My favourite Lionel Hutz moment

is when he panics in his office and says "Excuse me, I'm just bgoing down to the basement" and does the pretending to walk downstairs thing behind his desk before peeking his eyes over to see if the Simpsons have gone

Late Ms. Bouvier [video-will]: Now let's get down to business...
Hutz [voice dubbed in]: To my executor, Lionel Hutz, I leave $50,000.
Marge: Mr. Hutz!!!
Hutz: You'd be surprised how often that works, you really would.

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DogFacedBoy | 10 October 2011 - 12:02pm

Where

are the sticky buns?

Best non-verbal line ever!

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renkadima | 5 October 2011 - 10:04pm

The concentrated look on Homer's face

as he is writing that note, whilst Apu flails away on the telephone is priceless.

A million ups if I could.

Yodel.

Best episode? Homer vs NYC.

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Six Dog | 5 October 2011 - 11:32pm

Odd

that's one of the episodes I'm really not too keen on. Wasn't it a milestone episode? Episode 100?

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Roo | 6 October 2011 - 11:13am

Saw that only the other night

edited since 9\11 naturally.

Has some great lines

Marge: "Ever since I was a little girl I've always dreamed of being in the audience of a Broadway show"

- The sequence where Barney is chosen as designated driver
- The "The Sting" bit of Homer's previous misadventures in NYC
- Bart aping a homeless man on the subway "ladies and gentlemen, I was unfortunate enough to be born without tastebuds *licks metal pole and pulls sick face* ok folks, I'm done here"
The "I'm Checking Out" song

Homer needing the loo, seeing a bus for "Flushing Meadows" which helps *cue fantasy sequence of him running through green valley of toilets waving their lids* then whistling while walking up to a mailbox. Postman "Don't even think about it!"

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DogFacedBoy | 6 October 2011 - 11:47am

Bart entering the offices of "Mad" magazine...

"I'm here for the tour. My father has a subscription"

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Six Dog | 6 October 2011 - 12:24pm

How much funnier...

is it you are American, and get *all* the in jokes.

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pompeygeorge | 5 October 2011 - 11:38pm

My favourtite exchange

Homer at the post office trying to retrieve an angry letter to Mr Burns that Bart has posted

That letter being

"Dear Mr. Burns. I'm so glad you enjoyed my son's blood, and your card was just great. In case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic. You stink! You are a senile bucktoothed old mummy with bony girl arms and you smell like an elephant's butt!"

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DogFacedBoy | 6 October 2011 - 12:48am

Ok, what's your first name Mr Burns?

Brilliant.

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kidpresentable | 6 October 2011 - 1:33pm

Oh, I love it. My favourite Simpsons scene.

Except, maybe, for the end of the Gummi Bear episode:

Marge: Hasn't this experience taught you you can't believe everything you hear?

Homer: Marge, my friend, I haven't learned a thing. (Family leaves the room. Homer kneels and hugs the TV.) Let's never fight again.

Or the Leonard Nimoy bit from The Springfield Files:

Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No.

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Bob | 6 October 2011 - 7:31pm

Both brilliant ones.

In The Springfield Files, I particularly like Homer on the treadmill.

MULDER
Wait a minute, Scully. What's the point of this test?
SCULLY
No point. I just thought he could stand to lose a little weight.
MULDER
His jiggling is almost hypnotic.
SCULLY
Yes. It's like a lava lamp.

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kidpresentable | 8 October 2011 - 3:00pm

The Gummi Bear Episode

is a joy. Particularly the Jerry Springer style show fronted by Gentle Ben with a microphone stuck to his head.

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milkybarnick | 10 October 2011 - 10:46am

And the "Dateline" skit

Purporting to prove Homer's inappropriate behaviour. Watch the clock go backwards and forwards...

"Mr Simpson, your silence proves more than hard evidence ever could"

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Six Dog | 10 October 2011 - 11:21am

Ben! No!

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Bob | 10 October 2011 - 12:13pm
Moose the Mooche | 10 October 2011 - 3:36pm

New Simpsons Episode Gets an F

A lot of the early episodes are emotional, and not just centred around the dysfunctional nature of the family. That's what I like about them.

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Tom | 6 October 2011 - 11:42am

What else are they going to do?

It makes me laugh that the likes of Nancy Cartwright are turning down £2m a year for doing the voice of Bart because her skill is totally non-transferable.

If she peddled her talent for doing the voice of a 10 year-old boy around there wouldn't be many takers. Sure Fox need her but she needs them much, much more.

Also, it is shown in more than 100 countries, but in the majority is dubbed with the voices of other actors. If they got rid of the likes of Cartwright, etc. and replaced them with actors on say £350,000 pa the rest of the world wouldn't care. I think Fox should call their bluff then hold a reality show to find replacement voices.

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Simon Ford | 6 October 2011 - 12:27pm

Update: They've got two more seasons

I am the Angel of Death.

The Time of Purification is at hand.

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Moose the Mooche | 9 October 2011 - 10:13pm

Release the hounds!

Harry Shearer (aka Mr Burns, Flanders, Rev Lovejoy and many more) puts in his 2 cents

For many years now, the cast of “The Simpsons” has been trying to get Fox to agree that, like so many other people who’ve contributed significantly to the show’s success, we be allowed a tiny share of the billions of dollars in profits the show has earned. Fox has consistently refused to even consider the matter. Instead, it’s paid us salaries that, while ridiculous by any normal standard, pale in comparison to what the show’s profit participants have been taking home.

Now, as the show enters its twenty-third season, we are engaged in what will probably be our last contract negotiation with Fox. As you may have heard, the network has taken the position that “The Simpsons” no longer makes enough money and that unless we in the cast accept a 45% pay cut, they are not going to bring the show back for a twenty-fourth season.

Obviously, there are a lot more important things going on in the world right now, in the streets of New York and elsewhere. But given how many people seem to care about what happens to our show – and how much misinformation has been flying around – I thought it might make sense for at least one member of the cast to speak out directly. I should note that I am speaking only for myself, and not for any of the other actors on the show.

Fox wants to cut our salaries in half because it says it can’t afford to continue making the show under what it calls the existing business model. Fox hasn’t explained what kind of new business model it has formulated to keep the show on the air, but clearly the less money they have to pay us in salary, the more they’re able to afford to continue broadcasting the show. And to this I say, fine – if pay cuts are what it will take to keep the show on the air, then cut my pay. In fact, to make it as easy as possible for Fox to keep new episodes of “The Simpsons” coming, I’m willing to let them cut my salary not just 45% but more than 70% – down to half of what they said they would be willing to pay us. All I would ask in return is that I be allowed a small share of the eventual profits.

My representatives broached this idea to Fox yesterday, asking the network how low a salary number I would have to accept to make a profit participation feasible. My representatives were told there was no such number. There were, the Fox people said, simply no circumstances under which the network would consider allowing me or any of the actors to share in the show’s success.

As a member of the “Simpsons” cast for 23 years, I think it’s fair to say that we’ve had a great run and no one should feel sorry for any of us. But given how much joy the show has given so many people over the years – and given how many billions of dollars in profits News Corp. has earned and will earn from it – I find it hard to believe that this is Fox’s final word on the subject. At least I certainly hope it isn’t, because the alternative is to cancel the show or fire me for having the gall to try to save the show by helping Fox with its new business model. Neither would be a fair result – either to those of us who have committed so many years to the show or to its loyal fans who make our effort worthwhile.

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DogFacedBoy | 9 October 2011 - 10:30pm

Go Derek!

Exactly what I said earlier in the thread.

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Six Dog | 10 October 2011 - 10:35am

Mr Burns

Maybe he should have a word with Burns' people, see if they can negotiate a better deal. I hear they have dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees.

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Roo | 10 October 2011 - 11:41am

Sideshow Bob

Particularly in the re-make episode of Cape Fear.

Being duped by Bart to sing 'The Mikado' Quite the funniest voice work Kelsey Grammer has done.

That and hiding underneath the Simpson's station wagon on the way there.

Homer: 'Who wants me to drive across the cactus strewn desert?'

Family: 'Yayyyy!'

Sideshow Bob: (muted and agonised) 'Nooooo...'

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Beezer | 10 October 2011 - 10:58am

Die Bart, Die.

Sideshow Bob: "It's German. It means "The Bart, the."

Parole Board member: "Oh, well, no-one who speaks German could possibly be evil."

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Bob | 10 October 2011 - 11:24am

Christ, it's a good episode

Even now, I still do the quiet agonised 'Noooo...' if forced to do things I don't want to.

That and the malovelent shudder 'urghhhhhh...'

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Beezer | 10 October 2011 - 11:30am

That also has the 'Mr Thompson'

scene where the FBI are trying to train Homer to accept his new identity

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DogFacedBoy | 10 October 2011 - 11:20am

Whispers...."I think he's talking to you..."

Brilliant

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Six Dog | 10 October 2011 - 11:23am

I also love the

scene in the cinema with instead of SSB (as the Mitchum\De Niro villain) uproariously laughing at the film it's Homer's hysterics over a crass joke that has Bob spitting feathers

And when they bought in David Hyde Pierce as Bob's brother Cecil that only added sweet sweet gravy to the dish

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DogFacedBoy | 10 October 2011 - 11:34am

the Cecil episode

was a masterstroke. Right down to the Frasier style 'cards' before their scenes!

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ivan | 10 October 2011 - 11:51am

Agreed

Bart jumps on Cecil at one point and says, 'Guess who?'

'Maris?' replies Cecil.

'Brother From Another Series', it's called.

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Beezer | 10 October 2011 - 12:03pm

Bob's "angry, angry" replacement

I always liked one of Bob's replacements, Sideshow Raheem:

Krusty: Ah... the script says I have to bonk you with this

Raheem: I wouldn't

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Roo | 10 October 2011 - 11:45am

Eat the pudding

Eat the pudding eat the pudding eat the pudding eat the pudding

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Lying Doggo | 10 October 2011 - 1:07pm

Best line

I ever heard was in one of the very early episodes......hired on video (a long time ago) to entertain the kids one afternoon.

The episode saw Homer give Marge a bowling ball for her birthday, she fell in love with the bowling coach and contemplated leaving Homer before a reconciliation scene at the power plant.

To the strains of "Love lifts us up" from An Officer and Gentleman Homer sweeps Marge off her feet and carries her out. One of his colleagues asks Homer what he should say to the boss if he asks where Homer has got to, to which Homer says:

"Tell him I've gone to the back seat of my car with the woman I love and I won't be back for 10 minutes".

Must be 20 odd years since I last saw it and am sniggering now just thinking about it. Such a brilliant line.

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el toro calvo grande | 10 October 2011 - 1:43pm

Up there with

" Marge, we're getting some drive-thru, then we're doing it twice!"

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DogFacedBoy | 10 October 2011 - 1:48pm

I knew I shouldn't have eaten

that packet of expired gravy I found in the parking lot

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Moose the Mooche | 10 October 2011 - 3:38pm

"Hi, Everybody!"

Dr Nick Riviera, proud alumnus of the Hollywood Upstairs Medical College:

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Roo | 10 October 2011 - 3:46pm

One of my friends is a Dr Nick

Works at St Mary's Paddington.

He wears his scrubs everywhere. Pub. Scrubs. Football. Scrubs. Shopping. Scrubs. Was genuinely shocked when he turned up to a wedding of a mutual friend in a suit. Once turned up to assist us with some "ad-hoc" work in an office with a huge mailout order to process for a key client wearing a set of scrubs whereby you could clearly see that "the boys were out of the barracks". Two girls very nearly fainted.

And he's still not sick of the "hi, everybody" "hi Dr Nick" skit. I think he loves it.

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Six Dog | 11 October 2011 - 3:13pm

Hurricane Neddy

I'm not a bad man. I don't drink or dance or swear. I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! I've even kept kosher, just to stay on the safe side.

Flanders' Dad: We can't do it, man! That's discipline! That's like tellin' Gene Krupa not to go "boom boom bam bam bam, boom boom bam bam bam, boom boom boom bam ba ba ba ba, da boo boo tss!" We don't believe in rules, like, we gave them up when we started livin' like freaky beatniks!

Dr. Foster: You don't believe in rules, yet you want to control Ned's anger.

Flanders' Mom: Yeah. You gotta help us, Doc. We've tried nothin' and we're all out of ideas.

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Norwegian Blue | 11 October 2011 - 3:00pm
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