The "I like all types of music" Myth

The man in the coffee shop beside me has just told his compatriot "I like all types of music", which I feel is a bit of a myth. I used to think this was true of me, until I realised I was fooling myself. In spite of 3,000 CDs and 30,000 songs in my iTunes library, I've resigned myself to the reality that my tastes are quite narrow. Yet my friends would think I'm a music guy, who listens to loads of stuff and manages to enjoy the oeuvres of Sparks and Spoon. But it's all the same: Time and again I come back to tuneful songforms, more-often-than-not by white dudes, with a preference for the wry and an individual delivery. I'm not that adventurous.

Don't get me wrong, I do own a copy of Bitches Brew, and a clatter of classical CDs, always bought in a pique of "I really should listen to some classical stuff", but I fear it's just tokenism.

What I would say is that I am interested in music. I'm quite happy to spend more time reading about Frank Zappa instead of listening to him.

Thoughts?

I offered to sort out some

I offered to sort out some music for some awards at work (I defy anyone who reads Word to refuse this opportunity). We had a bunch of catergories themed around music awards. It was only when I had to find best female artist that I realised very little of my cd and download collection was by female artists. A little Kate Bush, a few Kirsty MacColl cd's and the Adele album which was from eMusic (and I wouldn't have bought it at £8).

I agree with you - I'm narrower than I think.

Lee Rimmer | 7 November 2008 - 1:30pm

Totally with you on this one...

I always used to think I had an eclectic taste, but actually it's pretty narrow.

Most of my listening gets recorded on my last.fm page and I added a little widget that works out how 'open' or 'closed' your music tastes are, based on the tags assigned to your listened artists.

OK, so I'm not totally closed, but a little over 50% can be put into 4 categories: singer-songwriter, indie, female vocalist and folk.

And I know I don't listen to full-on dance, hip-hop, heavy metal so I'm not kidding myself, but it's still an eye-opener.

robram | 7 November 2008 - 1:43pm

I like that widget - thanks

I like that widget - thanks for pointing to that. I seem to buck the trend and am indeed open minded! http://www.last.fm/user/Coupey

fantomas | 7 November 2008 - 2:21pm

You're welcome...

It updates every month, so you can tell if your listening habits are getting too stuck in a rut, as your score will drop

robram | 7 November 2008 - 5:06pm

Open Minded Index

It gives me a rating of 171 (no idea what that means), and divides my music taste 50/50 into 12 tags on one half and another 50 tags on the other, which is too many to display legibly.

Perhaps I really do like all sorts of music.

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Fraser Lewry | 7 November 2008 - 2:41pm

Basically...

All the other 50% of tags are too small to categorise, proving how different your listening tastes are.

An impressive score! And the more music you've listened to, the more impressive it is

robram | 7 November 2008 - 5:10pm

But...

what does the score actually mean? Why is 171 good?

(not that I'm disagreeing, of course)

Fraser Lewry | 7 November 2008 - 5:13pm

Oh dear

My score appears to be 36, so it seems I have a very closed mind. In my defence, I haven't been on last.fm long, and I do like hundreds of artists.

Still, I can't stand jazz, or blues, or hip hop, or dance. Or opera, come to think of it. And any classical music that's particularly jolly or upbeat - give me Barber's Adagio for Strings (the most beautiful piece of music ever written, bar none), John Tavener or Phillip Glass any day.

According to this little widget, most of my last.fm library consists of "dark ambient" and "ethereal". Personally, I hate the idea of breaking broader genres, in this case goth, into such small subtypes that they become meaningless - how do I define "dark ambient" to someone that's never heard it? And how does it differ from "neoclassical", another tag in my library?

MrLovegrove | 7 November 2008 - 5:57pm

Well, the score seems to mean

that you listen to an exceptionally wide range of music.

In other words, you don't listen to only hip=hop, heavy metal or folk.

I know there's a snobbery associated with 'eclectic' music tastes, but in this case I liken it to eating habits.

Some people only tend to stick to what they know and rarely venture outside it. They're the (sweeping generalisation coming) types who only ever eat egg and chips when they go abroad.

Then there are the people who try every possibly food they can get their hands on.

And, if memory serves me correctly from the podcasts Fraser, you are one of those people. You obviously have a natural tendency to try new things, whether it's music or food.

Sound about right?

robram | 8 November 2008 - 10:36am

How refreshing

The most tediously irritating musical opinion is the one that begins, 'I've got really eclectic tastes, I listen to...' followed by a tediously predictable list of bands and artists.
No one can be genuinely eclectic, simply because it's not possible to listen to all the music there is and even if you try you're never going to have more than a cursory and flitting relationship with it.
Boasting about eclectisism is wankery of the highest order.

Niks | 7 November 2008 - 2:06pm

I hate it

when people ( usually music quiz contestants on the radio)say things like, " I like everything from Beethoven to Amy Winehouse" as if this makes them more interesting.
And I think, no you don't. You can possibly hum part of Beethoven's 5th and can sing the chorus of Valerie but what tracks do you like by Caravan or Capt Beefheart or Sly and Family Stone or Stackridge or Josh Rouse or......and why are there all those Queen CD's in your collection.
I know the opening line of The Sound Of Music and the last line of Enter Sandman. I like everything from Julie Andrews to Metallica.

stinglikeabee | 7 November 2008 - 2:49pm

There are 3 distinct levels of musicological eclecticism.

Level 1: I like having some knowledge of and exposure to all kinds of music, precisely because I like to broaden my horizons.

Level 2: I like listening properly to a fairly specific range of music, because life is too short to try to listen to (not play in the background while shovelling Shiraz) all of the available riches.

Level 3: I actually purchase a fairly narrow range of music, because I am not overly loaded with disposable income.

Vulpes Vulpes | 7 November 2008 - 3:53pm

Bingo

That's me defined exactly (bar the Shiraz - red gives me headaches).

Lee Rimmer | 7 November 2008 - 4:03pm

I own music by Psychic TV,

I own music by Psychic TV, Frank Sinatra, Kylie, Chet Baker, Black Sabbath, Dion, Alphabeat, The Pixies, Mozart and Philip Glass - but only because I want to demonstrate my eclectic tastes.

Andy Lynes | 7 November 2008 - 4:29pm

That made me laugh out loud

Probably because it's so true.

For many people, buying music is often not a straightforward transaction based on whether you think you would like those tunes. As the item joins your collection, it affects how you may present yourself to the world, like clothes or books. So it's a commitment.

If a CD collection is dominated by Westlife and Celine Dion, then you may make a reasonable assumption about that person. He doesn't care about music - that's why he openly has those CDs on display. Maybe then he is not a detail person and culturally barren. He shows no personal discernment, he will follow the crowd.

My on-display CDs are carefully selected because I know what they say about a person. That is why the Daniel O'Donnell CDs are stashed in the garage.

Austin | 7 November 2008 - 9:12pm

Staying quiet

Sometimes it's hard, when you hear somebody praising an artist you really despise as a vacuous, talentless airhead, not to grab one of your favourite CDs, thrust it at them and shout: "Hear, listen to this. THIS is music!"

The problem is that everybody believes their musical taste is perfect. And obviously they are right. If they want to listen to, off the top of my head, Westlife, fair enough. But if I want to enjoy, say, Qntal singing a 13th Century German song over a combined synth/medieval backing, then I don't see why I should have to explain or defend myself.

For me, the important thing is being open to the idea of new music, of spotting something you've never heard before and giving it a try. Every day I discover groups on the net I've never heard of, let alone listened to (my beloved is often heard to say "Why are you playing that? Nobody's heard of them so it must be rubbish")

But I'm proud to say that I'm out there, exploring the musical wilderness, giving non-mainstream music a chance and broadening my horizons. If that makes me sound like a musical snob, fair enough. But sometimes, don't you just wish the mainstream could be just a little wider in scope, and more interesting artists could get prime-time exposure?

MrLovegrove | 7 November 2008 - 6:27pm

That's funny

I do like examples of pretty much all genres of music EXCEPT wry white dudes with guitars.

Joe Muggs | 8 November 2008 - 5:12pm
Joe Muggs | 8 November 2008 - 5:16pm

Variety's the spice of life

It's a sad state of affairs when someone can be accused of being a snob just because they listen to a wide variety of music.

As has already been said on this thread, taste in music is obviously subjective. But I think that many music-lovers would genuinely find something to enjoy in all styles of music if they were willing to give them more than just a cursory listen. I used to dismiss jazz as a type of music I would just never "get", but now I'm discovering more and more music from that particular genre that I enjoy immensely. And though I listen to multiple variations of classical, rock, metal, jazz, electronica and folk music I've met people who have a much more varied taste than I.

That said, people who boast about their supposedly eclectic musical taste do generally seem to be posers of the highest order. And when people are buying music purely for their image, there's something fundamentally wrong there.

JimT | 8 November 2008 - 9:25pm

I totally agree...

ALL music has value and deserves a chance.

You simply can't say "I don't like x genre" until you've made the effort to explore it and put in the work to try and sample it.

We all chop music up into convenient genres, each of which encompasses a vast range of different styles over the last 50 years alone.

You can't say "I don't like Jazz" (for example) until you've given serious ear time to (say) Bix Beiderbecke, Louis Armstrong, Tommy Dorsey, Coltrane, Miles, Chick Corea and Wynton Marsalis. If you spend a day listening to a CD of each of those and you really don't get it, then maybe you don't like Jazz. Guess what though, maybe you'll decide you hate the 1920s/30s stuff but love Miles' 1960's works.

The same is true for any genre - can you really say "I don't like Electronica" until you've seriously listened to (say) Daphne Oram, Iannis Xenakis, Tangerine Dream, Brian Eno, Vangelis, and The Aphex Twin?

This is why the appreciation of music is a lifetime's work! :-)

stimpy | 9 November 2008 - 2:51pm

I'm quite happy to spend

I'm quite happy to spend more time reading about Frank Zappa instead of listening to him.

Rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, in order to provide articles for people who can't read.

One of these qotes is of Frank Zappa.

skirky | 9 November 2008 - 12:47am

...and also

"Writing about music is like dancing about architecture"

stimpy | 9 November 2008 - 2:38pm

If you want some really pointless music journalism

Try Observer Music Monthly. I've never been so consistently disappointed by anything as much as I have that tedious supplement.

Niks | 9 November 2008 - 4:48pm

Bang on...

I keep thinking about starting a thread on it... it's just so not worth it.

This weekend's wasn't awful, but I feel like I've watched identical documentaries to the feature on Motown loads of times...

robram | 10 November 2008 - 10:10am

Laziness

and lack of time prevent me from becoming the truly eclectic listener I aspire to be, but it's good to have the aspiration nevertheless.

My philosophy is that it's a good tune that counts, regardless of which of the sufficiently myriad genres of popular music (rock, folk, soul etc etc) a song is regarded as belonging to, even though it may not really fit there. Then again special treasures can be found by foraging in the world of the not apparently tuneful that can sometimes turn out to be highly tuneful, albeit in a more mysterious way, after some time and worthwhile effort. And I believe you don't have to own stuff or have it on your MP3 player to say you like it. There's so much I'd like to have if I could, or have had and no longer own, or have heard that belonged to a friend or partner. There's bands out there I don't have music by that could have been or could be one of my favourite bands. It's actually quite distressing and mind blowing!

Mostly popular music is a big enough world to live in for me, but the odd visit beyond it's boundaries may be undertaken and found pleasurable, even though one may be left with a sense of ignorance of that area - eg jazz - but you can't specialise in all music or it wouldn't be specialisation, clearly. The familiar phrase - if you like that you might like this - comes to mind, and that approach leads most of us I dare say. We can't chance ending up spending our hard earned on too many things we then don't want to play after the first few listens (I get enough of these as it is). Of course I'd hate to be thought conservative, though am more so than I would like to think, no doubt.

Sven | 9 November 2008 - 7:45pm