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The end of Spotify

austinplatt's picture

Folks, what do we feel about Mandelesons new copyright bill going through the Lords at the moment (more details here http://www.openrightsgroup.org/). Its far more wide ranging than simply cutting off the Internet for file sharing. Its likely to make services such as Spotify and Last.fm disappear from our shores due to the punitive measure they could face for getting it wrong on just one track. We could be heading for a UK which is similar to the US where a girl was thrown in jail for accidentally catching the cinema screen on her video camera (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23779848-twilight-fan-arre...).

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"a girl was thrown in jail...

... for accidentally catching the cinema screen on her video camera" makes it sound much worse than it is. It implies she was charged and prosecuted with a crime. It's common practice to be locked up in a police cell or local county jail while awaiting arraignment.

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Billybob Dylan | 8 December 2009 - 6:22pm

Ah, that's alright then.

Ah, that's alright then. Spending a few nights in jail and then facing a felony charge for attending a birthday party in a cinema. I thought the cinema owner might have over reacted for a moment there.

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austinplatt | 8 December 2009 - 6:30pm

...there's a bounty

$500, I believe, paid to cinema staff who catch punters actively using video recording devices.

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nicktf | 8 December 2009 - 9:11pm

Flashmob suggestion.

Book a private screening of a new movie. Everyone turns up for the screening with a video recorder in their pocket. None of the video recorders have batteries or memory cards in them. At a pre-arranged signal, the start of the main feature perhaps, all those present take out their video recorder and put it up to their eye, as if recording the film. 30 seconds later, everyone puts their video recorder back into their pocket again.

It seems to me this sort of copyright paranoia nonsense is open to easy public ridicule; has anyone done anything to demonstrate how stupid it is?

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Vulpes Vulpes | 9 December 2009 - 7:02pm

Knowing the power of the MPAA over here...

...They would all probably get 25 years in jail, and $500,000 fines. You'd do less time for brutalising one of their executives...!

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nicktf | 9 December 2009 - 9:28pm

I must admit

I thought Apple's acquisition of LaLa was the end of Spotify (in a while, of course) ;-)

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SpaceBoy | 8 December 2009 - 6:34pm

Myspace music might be the end of spotify

http://music.myspace.com/

can see it being much more popular with the yoot anyway

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clarker | 8 December 2009 - 6:56pm

MySpace will be fine

They are owned by Murdoch aren't they? I'm sure they'll either find a loophole or start charging for content.

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Dr Yang | 8 December 2009 - 8:38pm

Being owned by Murdoch is no guarantee

In 2005, Rupert Murdoch paid $580m for My Space, whose 2009 revenues have been "flat" according to a JP Morgan report, which adds that the site "continues to face challenges monetising its large audience. We see more headwinds ahead as remnant inventory pricing is declining and competition makes it more difficult to reach meaningful profitability."

That's from an excellent summary of the difficulty of making money on the web from John Naughton in a recent Observer column.

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David Hepworth | 9 December 2009 - 8:16am

Thanks for that, this FT article

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/fd9ffd9c-dee5-11de-adff-00144feab49a.html
may also interest.

MySpace executives have always been proud of the culture of community among the website’s 100 million users. That culture is reflected in the employees, most of whom are young, Los Angeles hipster types who like going gigging [sic] and discovering new bands. As the rivalry with Facebook intensified, MySpace staff took pride in the fact that theirs was an edgier site, with a younger demographic. One employee even had jokey stickers printed saying: “Your Mom is on Facebook”.

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SpaceBoy | 9 December 2009 - 8:24am

How is that...

different from the regular myspace? I just clicked on a load of links and got taken to the normal profile pages of the artists. And it looks mightily cramped and confusing!

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humphreym | 8 December 2009 - 7:01pm

You can make playlists and share them etc

The front page is far too busy for someone of my advanced years to negotiate easily but it's all there. Lots of celebrity playlists, including the Vatican (Fleet Foxes fans apparently).

Database is about as big as spotify as far as I understand but bigger in different areas.

There are no adverts. It's owned by Newscorp. It's already big in the states. Don't know how it fits with Murdoch's plans to charge for online stuff as it was only launched here the other day.

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clarker | 8 December 2009 - 7:10pm

Didn't see...

all of that, sorry! Will check it out when kitchen is cleaned!

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humphreym | 8 December 2009 - 8:46pm

I've just had an attack of the Rob Fitzpatricks.

You know what, Mandelson, why don't you just Fuck Off and meddle in things you understand.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 8 December 2009 - 7:07pm

This is brilliant

A comment Graham Linehan spotted on the subject of Mandelson creating the post of Pirate Finder General: "Comment of the year!"

(Not reprinting the whole thing here because it's quite long)

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Dr Yang | 8 December 2009 - 8:41pm

Here, here old chap..

..guacamole anyone?

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Prestonia | 8 December 2009 - 8:42pm

Our company motto....

....which was pinched from the screenwriter William Goldman, is "Nobody Knows Anything". I can't think of any field in which that is more true than the internet in general and the internet music "space" in particular. Every six months for the last ten years we've been told it's all going to be change by this or that company or innovation. Mostly it's been changed by things nobody has seen coming.

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David Hepworth | 9 December 2009 - 8:33am

Too much change

I think Mr Mandelson, or at least the people whose boats he spends his time on, believe there has been far too much change already. Lets just stick with what we know and stop making us having to invent new business models shall we. I mean, would you let your servant or your wife listen to Spotify.....

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austinplatt | 9 December 2009 - 11:26am
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