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The drums, the drums, the drums

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Just listening to Song of a Baker by the Small Faces and realized despite Stevie Marriott's quite brilliant proto-heavy metal guitar heroics, it really is Kenny Jones's drumming on this track that make it something special:

I also feel the same way about Ringo's performance on HJH's Magical Mystery Tour:

Anyone else got examples where the drums MAKE the track? I am not talking about solos here - can't stand them myself.

One other question: who IS that girl sitting next to Paul on the bus? swoooon

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Interesting choice...

For Magical Mystery Tour, to be honest, I'd never really paid much attention to Ringo, I've always thought 'Rain' and 'Day In The Life' to be cases where he really stepped up.

I was listening to 'Won't Get Fooled Again' the other day and realised again, just how supremely fantastic Keith Moon was.

Then there's 'Kashmir' of course. And 'Misty Mountain Hop', 'Rock n Roll'...

I totally agree on 'Song Of A Baker'. Great, underrated track.

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Slotbadger | 17 February 2010 - 12:13pm

Dodgy time keeping

Rain probably would have been used more prominently if it didn't have one major flaw. The tempo is all over the place.

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Nick Duvet | 17 February 2010 - 11:09pm

Surely the ultimate example has to be this...

When The Levee Breaks by Led Zeppelin.

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Patrick Crowther | 17 February 2010 - 12:21pm

40 years almost

since this was recorded and it remains a colossal drum track. Listening to it again now, and with the knowledge of how it was recorded on the landing at Headley Grange with one overhead mic, Bonzo playing a brand new kit, you can put yourself right there, in the performance with him. The way he just steamrollers around the kit at 5:10, it's still breathtaking.

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Nick Duvet | 18 February 2010 - 11:02pm

We were talking about drummers.....

...with Neil Brockbank in the podcast the other day and he was saying that the reason contemporary rock records don't sound like they used to is that you don't get the sound of a rhythm section slugging it out in real time. I've forgotten which word he used to describe but I felt he had a real point. Too may contemporary rhythm sections sound interchangeable.

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David Hepworth | 17 February 2010 - 12:23pm

Speaking as a drummer...

Much of it down to click tracks.

In the good old days, and in a 'proper' live situation, you're locking in with the bass player, gently pulling the song into the direction you want it to go.

With a familiar bass player this can be like a heartbeat and it just takes a brief eye contact to almost telepathically keep in touch as the feel of the beat changes. Depending on the mood of the day the same piece can be played lagging behind the beat, on the beat or right in the pocket. Getting it right is a wonderful musical experience!

Think of Kirke and Fraser for a great example of this - that almost telepathic communication.

With a less familiar bassist, it's more of a challenge but that unfamiliarity can lead to a very dynamic rhythm section where the drummer and bassist are pulling against each other.

In session days, it was all about reading the dots and interpreting what the producer/arranger wanted but the drummer was often still able to drive the feel of the rhythm.

With the advent of click tracks and live use of sequenced/triggered reinforcement, there's just less opportunity to flow - playing becomes a matter of hitting the click every time. Once you're locked into hitting the One on the click, there's no room to play with the beat. Result - the rhythm sounds the same.

Think of the way (say) Phil Collins would play a bog-standard four on the floor as against (say) Steve Gadd or Mick Fleetwood. The same basic rhythm can feel bright and precise or, if the player drags behind the beat, sluggish and lazy. You just don't get the chance to play like that against a click.

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stimpy | 17 February 2010 - 12:59pm

In the groove

Good call on Simon Kirke and Andy Fraser. Kirke is often overlooked because he wasn't flashy, but he had the simple knack of nailing the groove. Above all he had good time, by which I mean he had a strong internal metronome.

I agree with you that a click track can be inhibiting, but they have been used on the top sessions for at least 30 years as far as I know. Even things like the Chic records would have used a click, so it's not correct to say that a rhythm section can't create a groove if they've used a click. For the best players it will be just second nature to have a click. I would agree with the point you and DH have made though, that you don't often get that sense of a drummer and bass player locking in anymore. Maybe this is as close as you get nowadays:

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Nick Duvet | 17 February 2010 - 7:41pm

It's Mandy Weet...

...who played Wendy Winters, the hostess.

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Paolo Meccano | 17 February 2010 - 12:26pm

Alliterative names...

are cool. A school friend of mine's grandfather was called Albert Albert.

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Patrick Crowther | 17 February 2010 - 12:30pm

Steve Jansen on Visions of China

Every time I hear this, on the studio album or live (as here), everything else in the song is merely accompaniment to the majorly 'musical' drumming; quite beguiling how he's running constant tom-tom waves, and adding in those rather eloquent cymbal crashes, rendering them splashy to help the texture, rather than using them as standard pop punctuation... (breakdown at 2:10... suspect the lowest root hits are a sequenced synth)


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the_saint | 17 February 2010 - 1:29pm

Good call on VOC, Saint

I still try to hit the toms, snare and cymbals in the right sequence anytime I'l let near a kit and it manages to sound like someone has thrown the Tamas down the hall stairs. Jansen was truly part-octopus on that track...didn't he used to cite Billy Cobham and Steve Gadd as influences, too?

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Neilo | 17 February 2010 - 2:01pm

Bongo Magic

Rain and The End - wouldn't be the same with anyone else on sticks duty.

Then there's...

Rat Scabies on New Rose
Paul Cook on God Save the Queen (it's those cymbals you see)
Charlie Watts on Bitch
Paul Thompson on Remake - Remodel (well the end bit)
Bonzo - Poor Tom

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Mondo | 17 February 2010 - 1:29pm

If it's bongos

It's got to be Preston Epps - Bongo Rock


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moleye151 | 17 February 2010 - 6:43pm

Or maybe The Incredible Bongo Band

Let There Be Drums


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moleye151 | 17 February 2010 - 6:45pm

Curtis Mayfield

Move On Up (the extended LP version)


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moleye151 | 17 February 2010 - 6:49pm

Michael Viner RIP

A cussed, much litigated against, and, indeed, litigious kind of genius

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Rufus T Firefly | 18 February 2010 - 10:38pm

Paul Simon - 50 ways to leave your lover

Iggy Pop - Lust for Life
Genesis - The Brazilian
Adam & the Ants - Antmusic

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clarker | 17 February 2010 - 1:36pm

Fifty ways...

...with good old Steve Gadd (triple scale, no less)

Most Police records... and whilst I'm on the subject, can't overlook Vinnie Colaiuta's sublime playing on 'Ten Summoner's Tales' by Sting.

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oktapod | 17 February 2010 - 1:54pm

Moon on this

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bargepole | 17 February 2010 - 6:24pm

Don't think there even ARE drums (except in the background shot)

but the beat definitely makes this song -

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Remote Control | 17 February 2010 - 7:05pm

Obvious I know but...

... Fools Gold?

Possibly equally obvious but Jaki Liebezeit lifted a good few Can tunes in his time. The drums in this one blew me away first time I heard it.

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ganglesprocket | 17 February 2010 - 7:46pm

She Said She Said

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Sven Garlic | 17 February 2010 - 8:09pm
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