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The decisive moment

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The thing that gives me the most pleasure in life is taking photographs. It is my passion; both indescribably rewarding and utterly infuriating. Rewarding when all the elements that make up a great photograph seem to materialize as if by magic before my eyes and I am alert enough to be witness to something extraordinary and press the shutter button on my camera. Infuriating when I walk the streets for 8 solid hours without anything really interesting catching my eye.

Looking at the work of the great photographers is a source of constant fascination for me. I draw as much emotion and meaning from doing so as I do from listening to my favourite music, perhaps more so. I love gazing at these little glimpses into the way someone else views the world.

Do any of you share my love of photography? And who are your favourite photographers?

The image above is by the masterful Henri Cartier-Bresson, and some examples of work by my favourites follow... and a cheeky one at the end.

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Here's some fabulous photographs...

Josef Koudelka

Piergiorgio Branzi

Martine Franck

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Patrick Crowther | 13 January 2009 - 8:32pm

And one from me...

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Patrick Crowther | 13 January 2009 - 8:35pm

An excellent selection

A highlight of 2007 for me was a visit to the Fondation Cartier-Bresson in Paris. They have a selection of HCB's wonderful photography, usually a temporary exhibition by another photographer, and some of the sketches he did later in life. They also have his first (I think) Leica on display. I definitely recommend it if you're over there.

And last year I particularly enjoyed a talk at the Barbican by former Life picture editor John Morris. His subject was my own favourite photographer, Robert Capa. To hear him talking about parties he attended in just liberated Paris with Capa and the likes of Hemingway and Lee Miller was just incredible. I had a few words with him at the end, and he was very pleasant too. 92 years old but sharp as a tack. He had just finished campaigning for Obama as chairman of Democrats Abroad. It must be in the genes as he mentioned his 99 year old sister!

Other favourites of mine are Willy Ronis, Steve McCurry and Don McCullin.

So yes, it's safe to say I share your love of photography!

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Johan | 13 January 2009 - 9:34pm

There was a great documentary made about HCB...

shortly before he died. An interviewer asked him what he felt like being often described as the greatest photographer of the 20th Century. He beckoned to her to lean forward and the 90-something genius whispered in her ear "It's bullshit". I love that!

You might be interested in this, which is a remarkable and revealing interview with Don McCullin (another of my favourites), in which he speaks very openly about his life and work...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/johntusainterview/mccullin_transcript.shtml

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Patrick Crowther | 13 January 2009 - 9:39pm

I feel suitably ignorant

but wide eyed as well. I have alway appreciated a photograph but never really put any effort into it. Have googled Cartier-Bresson and his work is stunning. He seems to have real personality as well. He is my what have I learnt this week and thank you Patrick.

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Leedsboy | 13 January 2009 - 9:49pm

Cartier-Bresson is truly one of the great artists...

of the modern age. His photography is imbued with a wonderful humanism... he was never judgemental or condescending towards the people he photographed. He was a man who loved life and in turn loved to record its many fascinations.

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Patrick Crowther | 13 January 2009 - 9:56pm

Book

This recently published book is a great introduction to HCB, and very cheap too.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Henri-Cartier-Bresson-Horizons-Cl%C3%83%C2%A9men...

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Johan | 13 January 2009 - 10:01pm

That one moment in time

Richard Grassick of the Amber co-op Newcastle with his social doc photography . He has recently been up the Wear valley exploring the lives of the working farms .

Early Spencer Tunick blew me away especially one featuring Amity Joy with a submarine in a field behind her .

Weegee and his study of 20's/30's life in the big apple esp lower east side " children sleeping on a fire escape " legend has it Pa pocketed the $2 Weegee gave him for the kids .

Andy Hollingworth who photo's comedians some amazing shots and a bleeding sound bloke .

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Danmac | 13 January 2009 - 10:36pm

Lee Miller

Went to see an Exhibition of Her work last year. I found it really interesting especially her life story and they also had some surreal Man Ray photos in the Exhibition as well. I went to impress a potential Girlfriend who's a photographer.
What do you think of these two Patrick ?
the P-GF above mentions that there is a Photographer called Mary Ellen Mark. Strange indeed. She also likes your stuff too Patrick.
She checked out your website which i will do shortly.

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Sour Crout | 13 January 2009 - 11:42pm

I'm confused...

what's the P-GF?

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Patrick Crowther | 13 January 2009 - 11:48pm

Sorry... I'm being thick.

I'm glad she likes what I do, very good of you to tell me.

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Patrick Crowther | 13 January 2009 - 11:49pm

OK...

Lee Miller... very fine work indeed, but not one of my favourites.

Man Ray... legend, but not one of my faves

Mary Ellen Mark... now we're talking! One of the finest photographers alive, hard-hitting and vital.

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Patrick Crowther | 13 January 2009 - 11:52pm

Some great examples here

Hello, Patrick.

I was bitten by the bug relatively recently (three-ish years ago). I had always loved going to photography exhibitions but it took a holiday in Talinn with a borrowed camera - plus a surprise John Lewis voucher - that tipped me over the edge into taking photographs myself.

I think I'm still too green to have a 'specialism' - I'll still have a go at taking pictures of anything and can't think of a better way of learning - but I love taking portraits the most and it's a euphoric moment for me when I get another friend involved and interested in becoming a subject.

Photographers I admire (off the top of my head): Andreas Gursky, Wolfgang Tillmans, Francesca Woodman, Brassai.

(And in support of above comments - Massive, you really should check out Patrick's website. Terrific stuff.)

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Specs_Beard | 14 January 2009 - 12:50am

Go for it... and enjoy it...

enjoyment is how people improve at doing anything... enjoyment and lots of practice. Interesting you mention Francesca Woodman; she's a real original and extremely talented. During quiet periods in the bookshop I work in I often find myself looking at her book. Great stuff.

And thanks for the comment about my site... but I didn't post this thread to draw attention to my own work, I want to spread the word about photographers I admire and learn who is loved by the Massive.

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Patrick Crowther | 14 January 2009 - 9:52am

Great photos

I do like good photos and try my best to take some myself - can't claim to be anywhere near any good but do manage to get a few that are worth the effort. I find having young kids is great - lots of opportunity for great snaps (if you're quick enough !).

One thing I do note is that most of the above examples and some of the great photographers I like (e.g, Ansel Adams) is that they are Black & White. I've always preferred B/W as a medium and back in the old days used to usually load up my old Olympus OM2 with B/W film. I find now though with digital, I rarely use - I know that you can make them B/W on the computer, but it doesn't feel the same and usually laziness wins out......

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chrisf | 14 January 2009 - 1:47am

The majority of the photographers I've long admired...

work in monochrome, but I personally like to work in both colour and monochrome. It entirely depends on the feeling I'm attempting to put across. Colour photography was only taken seriously as an artistic medium from the 1970s onwards, but now I would say that both disciplines are roughly equal. But there is something in the way that monochrome photography is more removed from 'reality' that I find very appealing. Its very lack of colour is in some way a statement that one is not dealing with real life, but an artistic impression of it.

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Patrick Crowther | 14 January 2009 - 9:59am

Who was the American chap...

...who took incredible nighttime photographs of drive-ins, trains and the like during the 1940s/50s?

Used hundreds of tungsten flash bulbs at once, scattered about the area he was photographing.

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stimpy | 14 January 2009 - 10:03am

His name was O. Winston Link...

and he is the only photographer that I'm aware of that has a museum specifically dedicated to him. His photographs played a big part in getting me interested in photography... he was such an innovator, technically stunning and ahead of his time. His photography helped create a mythology around train travel in the US that really worked its way into the public consciousness...

Here's some more info:

http://www.linkmuseum.org/collection.html

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Patrick Crowther | 14 January 2009 - 10:13am

That's the chappy!

Thanks... Any suggestions for a decent compendium book of his photographs, perhaps with some technical information about how he shot them?

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stimpy | 14 January 2009 - 11:06am

Another monochrome master...

Richard Avedon. Very American. Mostly portraits taken under the glare of hot lights, making his subjects look naked even when they weren't.

He took portraits of the Beatles during Macca's 'tache phase, which were used to make "psychedelic" posters in the seventies. His work also graced the cover of Sonic Youth's Sister LP, until his people found out and all further pressings/reissues etc replaced his photo of a teenage girl with a black rectangle.

Robert Frank's another great one.

Thanks for the thread & the photos Patrick - nice to be thinking about photography instead of the daily grind.

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Clerk Kent | 14 January 2009 - 11:39am

My favourite series of photographs by the great Richard Avedon..

are those published in the book 'In The American West', in which he photographed workers, migrants and drifters against a portable white backdrop. They are extraordinary.

If you like Avedon, if you don't know them already check out Irving Penn (for me the greatest living photographer) and Arnold Newman (the master of environmental portraiture).

Richard Avedon, 'In The American West'

Eugen Ionescu by Irving Penn

Igor Stravinsky by Arnold Newman

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Patrick Crowther | 14 January 2009 - 2:26pm

Keith Emerson

had himself photographed in a *very* similar pose to the Stravinsky on the inner sleeve of the ELP album 'Works Vol 1'

Certainly too similar to be co-incidence. I suspect there was a little hubris going on there.

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stimpy | 14 January 2009 - 2:42pm

Oh dear...

I'm afraid I am not terribly au fait with that particular long player, so I haven't seen Emerson's 'homage'. My favourite ELP image has to be the cover of 'Love Beach', which should be the entry in any visual dictionary under the word 'pillock'.

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Patrick Crowther | 14 January 2009 - 2:46pm

Ah yes, the Love Beach cover.

The 'ELPee Gees'!

Can't find the (cough) homage on the interweb anywhere. Darn!

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stimpy | 14 January 2009 - 2:48pm

In case anyone is unaware of this neglected classic...

here it is.

Eeeuuwww.

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Patrick Crowther | 14 January 2009 - 5:42pm

Paul Slattery's music photography

for me.

I just love the way he has a knack of capturing bands that are just on the verge of success - The Clash, U2, Joy Division, Stone Roses, Smiths and Oasis for example - and getting that adrenalin and excitement over in his photos.

I'm at work so can't paste any photos but here's a link to some shots from his recent Oasis book, yeah I know it's Oasis, but I'm talking about the photography not the subject matter.

http://www.nme.com/photos/642/2/oasis-a-year-on-the-road

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Retro Man | 14 January 2009 - 12:49pm

Yes... he's good...

but my favourite photographers who work extensively within the music business are Jim Marshall and Neal Preston. Marshall took what is arguably the greatest rock n' roll photograph of all time, the one of Johnny Cash flicking a V sign looking seriously pissed off, whilst Preston created an iconic series of images of Led Zeppelin.

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Patrick Crowther | 14 January 2009 - 2:39pm

Agree about Jim Marshall's Cash photo

his Hendrix ones are excellent too.

The Proud Gallerys and Blink Gallery in London have some decent rock photography exhibitions and book launches every now and then.

Blink had a Michael Joseph Stones Beggar's Banquet exhibition recently

http://www.blinkgallery.com/blink.php

Here's a link to Proud.

http://www.proud.co.uk/

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Retro Man | 14 January 2009 - 3:19pm

Bit of a coincidence

but the Guardian did a gallery of Paul Slattery's Oasis photos yesterday.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/gallery/2009/jan/12/oasis-unseen-photogr...

Prefer to see some of his Clash ones, feel a bit sordid posting pics of Oasis...

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Retro Man | 16 January 2009 - 10:54am

Robert Frank

mentioned above but surely bears repeating. 'The Americans' is a great book, but I only realised recently that he also did the cover for 'Exile On Mainstreet'.

Good idea for a thread Patrick

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Steven C | 14 January 2009 - 2:56pm

...and directed the infamous 'Cocksucker Blues' movie...

on The Rolling Stones 1972 tour.

I went to a very good Frank exhibition in Milan a few weeks ago. It was interesting because for every wonderful image there was an average one. He doesn't always have the best quality control, but I think that's kind of the point... there's a kind of fast and loose amateurishness to his work that's very appealing.

And yes, 'The Americans' is a classic. Perhaps the classic...

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Patrick Crowther | 14 January 2009 - 3:06pm

Apparently

when the Stones tried to stop distribution of the movie the legal settlement allowed it to be screened but only 5 times a year and then only in Franks' presence! Needless to say I've never seen it.

You should organise a little once a week thread where members of the Massive can post their own photographs.

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Steven C | 14 January 2009 - 3:20pm

Cocksucker Blues

It's easily available on the Interweb - but it's really not that good. Worth seeing for it's curiosity value though

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stimpy | 14 January 2009 - 3:25pm

I have seen it...

and it is fairly obvious why they don't want it released. Footage of Keef shooting up, for one. There's a classic scene in which an astonishingly out of it Keef rings room service to try to get an apple sent up to his room... he keeps drawling "Send me an apple. I wanna apple."

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Patrick Crowther | 14 January 2009 - 3:27pm

Mick snorting cocaine...

...as well.

AND the legendary groupie scene on the plane. All in all it's a sordid film really but it *is* a record of what the Stones were like back then - both of which are, I suspect, reasons why they don't like it.

I have to say, if someone had film of me 'mucking about' from 30 years ago, I'm not sure I'd want anyone else to see it now.

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stimpy | 14 January 2009 - 3:35pm

Some of my favourite colour photography

First up a photograph by Saul Leiter, an astonishingly modest and talented photographer whose book 'Early Colour' is a masterpiece and my favourite of my 300+ photography books.

Second, the wonderful Madame Yevonde, one of the pioneers of colour photography in the 1930s.

Next up, Joel Meyerowitz, one of the photographers who made colour photography acceptable as an art form.

And another, Stephen Shore, whose work with a large format camera was very influential.

Saul Leiter

Madame Yevonde

Joel Meyerowitz

Stephen Shore

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Patrick Crowther | 14 January 2009 - 3:37pm
Patrick Crowther | 14 January 2009 - 4:00pm

This is great

really engaging. Was it spontaneous?

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Steven C | 15 January 2009 - 11:29am

Yes it was...

Saw them, time for two frames. This was the best.

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Patrick Crowther | 15 January 2009 - 2:54pm

How do you avoid the feeling

that your invading their privacy? No criticism intended but its the one thing I struggle with when wandering around with my camera. Hence loads of crap photos of trees.

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Leedsboy | 15 January 2009 - 8:50pm

That is the most interesting question you could have asked me...

and I will try to give a satisfactory answer. OK, when I began taking photographs seriously six years ago (as in really working hard at it as opposed to just pissing about) I really struggled with going up to people with my camera and being blatant about taking their photograph. Then I took a professional photography course at the London College Of Communication where it was rammed down our throats that we had to develop a thick skin and just take the photograph.

So gradually I started to get the nerve to do so. The responses of people vary enormously from mild surprise to anger (someone got very pissed off with me the other day). The way I look at it is this: I know my intentions are honourable and good. I want to record my impressions of the world and if this means someone gets the hump for a few seconds... well, they'll get over it.

The other thing I've noticed makes a big difference is body language. If I walk around looking like a serious photographer then people kind of expect me to be taking pictures and are OK with it. If I were to mouse around looking uncertain then strangely that would have the opposite effect.

I also thank people if they see that I've taken a photo, and if they ask me why I took it I tell them they looked beautiful or stylish or dignified. Something flattering.... flattery will get you a long, long way. In fact the couple in the photo above were lovely and started giggling after I'd taken it.

I find I have to make split second decisions sometimes as in "Is it right of me to take this?" And sometimes I feel I've gone too far. To be truthful, when I see something really special that I want to photograph, I tend to take the photograph first and worry about the consequences later. It is something I've talked about with lots of other photographers, professional and amateur, and I tend to find that many of us do the same thing: take the photograph.

Sometimes a photographer just goes too far, full stop. Whilst at college I was shown an image of a Vietnamese family (including young children) which was about to be executed by a firing squad. Apparently the photographer who was present (I'm sorry, I've forgotten his name) asked the soldier in charge of the execution to delay it by a few seconds so that he could take a photograph, which he did. It is a harrowing image... just pure, naked fear. In my opinion this guy didn't just cross the ethical line, he leapt over it. But then there is another argument that says that the image is so powerful, such a potent reminder of how ghastly conflicts can be, that it merited the dreadful thing the photographer did in order to obtain it. The family would have died anyway, and he just postponed it by a few seconds.

There is a very interesting interview online with the renowned photographer Don McCullin, in which he speaks about the moral and ethical dilemmas he faced in taking the images he did in numerous war zones throughout the 1960s and 1970s. It's really worth a listen. Here's the link:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/johntusainterview/mccullin_transcript.shtml

Anyway, Lee, this is a bit long-winded, but such a good question merited a serious reply.

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Patrick Crowther | 15 January 2009 - 10:07pm

One of the rare occasions when I asked first before taking...

the photograph. This beautiful gentleman I met in Jerusalem whilst I was there a month or so ago...

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Patrick Crowther | 15 January 2009 - 10:26pm

Thank you

Patrick - appreciate the answer. It wasn't quite the answer I expected for some reason but gratifying its not just me. I'm not sure I can carry off the swagger but I may just have a go the next time I get a chance to mill about with my camera. And get some brass balls next Christmas.

Interesting point on the war photography. I never fail to be unsettled by war photography and I accept that is both its point and its value but can't shake the feeling that the photographer should be doing more (even though I know that they can't).

Thanks again for the answer.

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Leedsboy | 15 January 2009 - 11:42pm

Brilliant

This has been a terrific thread, Patrick - but I wanted to say thank you for the tips and suggestions in this post.

I mentioned somewhere above that I am interested in portraiture myself and have never worked out any way to take that decisive step towards photographing a stranger - until now. This sort of thing is really inspiring.

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Specs_Beard | 16 January 2009 - 1:03am

Very good post

Patrick. I think you're right, occasionally I've tried to snap an interesting scene sneakily and got noticed. It not only ruins the whole shot but can be abit embarrassing too.
Far better to go for the looking professional routine!

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Retro Man | 16 January 2009 - 11:05am

Martin Carr does it for me

If only I could be good at photography. I have no eye.

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Five-Centres | 14 January 2009 - 5:04pm

I think you mean Martin Parr...

and yes he has been great. Actually don't get me started on him, because he's one of my pet subjects. His monochrome work from the 1970s and early 1970s is wonderful, heartfelt and engaging. But when he switched to colour photography (using a ringflash to obtain his signature saturated, slightly gaudy style), I start to not like his work so much. He's been accused of being exploitative and condescending, and whilst I don't agree with that necessarily, his colour work does lack the heart of his early photographs in my opinion. But he is a modern great, there's little argument about that.

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Patrick Crowther | 14 January 2009 - 5:11pm

HCB was not a fan of Parr

and tried to keep him out of Magnum, allegedly.

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Johan | 14 January 2009 - 7:39pm

Indeed...

the split in the ranks within Magnum over Parr's inclusion or not was so serious that it could have seriously damaged the collective. I think HCB is supposed to have said with regards to Parr, "What planet is he from?"

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Patrick Crowther | 14 January 2009 - 8:10pm

And as far as 'having no eye' is concerned...

I don't believe that to be true of anybody. The eye can be trained to truly 'see', as opposed to just looking. It's no different from learning an instrument or a foreign language... what starts off as really difficult gradually becomes easier. You might never become brilliant, but that's not what matters. Everyone has an eye (and if you're lucky two of 'em), it's just learning to see with it...

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Patrick Crowther | 14 January 2009 - 5:19pm

Very interesting chain

I finally bought a decent SLR last year but am only now getting to grips with it. Yes, developing your eye is the key. I've used it to practice framing and balance, mostly by taking reasonably bland landscapes around Berkshire. Trouble is - deeply intereseted though I am - I really don't know any photographers. Thanks, looks like I'll be trawling the web even more now digging out their names and work!

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Beezer | 14 January 2009 - 9:57pm

Bill Brandt's...

...black and white stuff does it for me - particularly the one of a policeman in the fog, St Paul's in the Blitz and Francis Bacon on Hampstead Heath.

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Steerpike | 15 January 2009 - 12:41am

Absolutely...

he was the most sensitive of photographers... he was very shy and quiet apparently and could almost enter a room unseen as if he were a ghost... the people he photographed hardly even knew he was there. This is my favourite of his images..

Bill Brandt

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Patrick Crowther | 16 January 2009 - 12:20pm

Paul Fusco

I've always gravitated towards monochrome since I was a teenager. Somehow I feel it can be far more dramatic than colour and can be pushed and pulled in all directions to create moods that weren't necessarily in front of the lens when the photo was taken.

The technical side of mono printing is also more forgiving for the enthusiastic amateur as less time is spent trying to correct irritating colour casts - for some reason messed about colour never has the same presence and just looks wrong.

That said, one of the most fascinating exhibitions I can recall was by Paul Fusco at the excellent Photographer's Gallery (Ramillies Street, London W1F 7LW and free). These were a series of colour images taken from the funeral train carrying Bobby Kennedy's body from New York to Washington after his assassination. The trackside was lined with people and the photos captured the social mix, moods, fashions and attitudes of a moment in time. It was almost photography in its purest form - unadulterated - you could look directly into the faces of those gathered and feel the emotion. Marvellous!

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Phil Pirrip | 15 January 2009 - 10:32am

Yes.... Paul Fusco is marvellous...

and there's a book out of the series of photographs you mentioned.

http://www.aperture.org/books/books-new/paul-fusco-rfk.html

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Patrick Crowther | 15 January 2009 - 2:58pm

Franco Fontana

I used to be quite keen on his deceptively simple colour work; and having just googled him, I find that I still am.

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Neil Jung | 15 January 2009 - 2:22pm

Excellent taste, Neil!

I love Fontana's work too. You might be interested in the work of another Italian photographer if you don't know of him already... Luigi Ghirri. There is a wonderful book of his work that was published last year called "It's beautiful here isn't it...". It's well worth checking out. He was extremely diverse in terms of subject matter, but the quality of his work was always of the highest order.

http://www.aperture.org/it-s-beautiful-here-isn-t-it.html

http://www.aperture.org/gallery/

Luigi Ghirri

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Patrick Crowther | 16 January 2009 - 12:19pm

Cindy Sherman

is, for me, a fantastic photographer and I find a lot of warmth and intelligence in the way she deconstructs female archetypes. 'Complete Untitled Film Stills' is probably her most typical work and I love the attention to composition and the careful ambiguity. Always thought that she appealed more to a Performance Art crowd than a photography audience but I may well be completely wrong agout this!

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Gav Leonard | 15 January 2009 - 5:18pm

Ansell Adams and Ernst Haas

Adams for his fabulous b&w work; Haas is a much over-looked photographer who worked in colour and did some marvellous work depicting movement, shape and pattern.

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Mark JF | 16 January 2009 - 8:18am

Two very interesting choices Mark...

Ansel Adams I have to say is not one of my favourites, even though I have a print of one of his photographs on a wall in my house. It's difficult to explain why... for me his photographs lack a certain something... he was technically quite brilliant and wrote several books on photographic technique, but I think therein lies the problem... sometimes his work seems a bit cold to me, the photographic equivalent of a musician who favours technique over feel.

Ernst Haas, however, is one of my absolute heroes. An extraordinary artist whose colour work expanded the possibilities of the medium. Here's a classic image from the great man...

Ernst Haas

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Patrick Crowther | 16 January 2009 - 12:18pm

Some more extraordinary images...

This selection I've made is by photographers whose work has a shared concern with elevating everyday things like a tree or an apple to the realm of the universal. Their work is poetic and mysterious and quite beautiful...

Paul Caponigro

Wynn Bullock

Minor White

Frederick Sommer

And the last image I want to show is by a friend of mine, a photographer based in Oxford called Paddy Summerfield. Paddy's taught me a lot (he's much older then me, sorry mate) and is a truly great artist. There are around 150 of his images on show at the Old Bank Hotel in Oxford if you're interested.

Paddy Summerfield

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Patrick Crowther | 16 January 2009 - 12:23pm

A couple of wonderful portrait photographers...

Jean Cocteau by Gisèle Freund

Ernest Hemingway by Yousuf Karsh

and my favourite photographer of fashion, Erwin Blumenfeld.

Erwin Blumenfeldt

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Patrick Crowther | 16 January 2009 - 8:18pm

May I be the first...

...to suggest that the Luigi Ghirri picture (the swing on the beach) is a case of the emperor's new clothes?

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Inky Fingers | 17 January 2009 - 10:19am

I disagree with you there

I think it's rather beautiful. It's like an abstract painting or drawing. I like the idea of observing an interesting form and recording it. If you respond to it, it's like you share the experience the photographer had. It's not clichéd or contrived, as so many images tend to be.

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Sven Garlic | 17 January 2009 - 4:08pm
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