The Guardian Magazine once published a letter of mine which asked why Alexis Petredis always ilustrated his men's fashion column with a picture of Rowan Atkinson. It might be coincidence but he started growing the beard very soon after.
Surely not extreme enough for yer average apoplectic xenophobe. But I suppose until someone writes a catchy little number called something like "If You Don't Vote Tory, You're Just Interloping Communist Bastards" it'll have to do.
But if you want to make a serious point about the content of the Daily Mail why not use real covers instead of fake ones? Perhaps this no doubt admirable young fellow, who fancies he has the wisdom and moral authority to sit in judgement over and ridicule millions of Mail readers, simply couldn't find any that fitted his lazy, cliched, distorted and exagerrated idea of what's actually in the paper.
I couldn't give two hoots about the Mail one way or the other. I just think as a fall-back gag, which it has become, it's as boring and clapped out as the one about how your socks go missing in the wash.
and actually using the real headlines (although I think some of them are real) would have been more challenging and more interesting.
The Daily Mail is toxic in much less obvious and more insidious ways. In a way this basic disgust at the daily mail is reducing something that should be grappled with and opposed to a very simplistic that's bad argument.
A range of people read the Daily Mail from all walks of life. Many of whom I've worked with. Some who are the parents of my friends. To engage with what is wrong with the Daily Mail would be much more interesting and also probably funnier.
The video is well executed though. Time and effort and talent has definitely gone into it. And it clearly does speak to a lot of people.
...and I accept it. But it would be unwise for both of us to generalise about the millions of Daily Mail readers, who occasionally include my mum. But there is a kind of satanic rabble-rousing pact between the Mail (particularly online) and those readers who choose to respond (again, particularly online), whose moral and political views are (if you'll forgive the steal) lazy, cliched, distorted and exaggerated - and an affront to civilised, thoughtful people. Does that sound condescending? Tough. The Mail knows exactly what it's doing, which is whipping up a lot of not very bright people into a witch-hunting fervour. I find that repugnant. I don't think 'not giving two hoots about the Mail one way or the other' is an acceptable option, frankly.
The Mail is so successful purely because an awful lot of people want to read that sort of thing. They want to sit in moral judgement of others. They want to be whipped into a frenzy.
need so much disection. It's a light hearted item which doesn't need the 'ok yah' type of pretentious intellectual assessment treatment you have so kindly provided. Lighten up you miserable f*ck*r. I bet you are a real wow at parties.
And my pretentious intellectual dissection blah blah was a direct response to a post saying "this isn't just comedy, it's more serious than that".
I just find this sort of "comedy" a bit boring and obvious. And unfunny. I"d rather watch an episode of Tom & Jerry.
I enjoy the aesthetic and style of the video but its all a bit easy and it has just resulted in loads of people posting it everywhere and slagging off daily mail readers in their comments.
It's the current impossible to escape viral. But for me it doesn't really resonate. It's a one play wonder.
is one of the concepts that is different from either side. One mans freedom fighter is anothers terrorist. One persons precious is anothers accurate.
I reckon we should probably avoid the lighten up angle as well. If you don't think its worth discussing then don't. If you do then I think both sides should assume the other has integrity. You can't just dismiss an argument by claiming that it is missing the point you have to show HOW it misses the point.
For example I think that the tune is catchy since I watched the video once but ever since then it periodically appears unasked in my head, especially when reading this thread. That is I feel a good argument against richards claims that it lacks musicality.
Generally I think he makes some fair points very well.
It was an amusing clip that was posted on here to maybe lighten up people's day. Not everything in the world needs to be deconstructed and mused upon in depth.
Perhaps we could just smile for once and not have to exercise our intellect on every little nuance that is put before us.
To me that is avoiding being precious.
what does need to be deconstructed and mused on in depth?
Who decides what we get to criticise and what we have to smile at (even when we don't find ourselves cracking a smile and even when we have basic objections to the material)?
I get the intention behind the original post. That's fair enough. It's nice to cheer people up and share amusing things. And I can understand the POV of all the people who say "that's really funny".
I just don't get why anyone is surprised that when posted on a public internet board, especially one that has a predilection for analysis and discussion, that there is a variety of reactions.
That's the problem with posting things in public, even if you just post to your closest friends. Recently on facebook I received a really negative response from my two oldest friends when I posted the Dizzee Rascal / Florence and the machine duet from the Brit awards.
I just stuck it there to entertain and share but they found it offensive. I couldn't argue with the fact that what I find enjoyable they might find really obnoxious.
I don't think anyone is "exercising their intellect". People are simply responding genuinely to how the video made them feel and think.
Surely that's what its all about.
For example, to me the following clip is just funny. But if I posted it on here I would expect word readers (especially since people are always going on about football on here) to be polarised by it:
Surely slagging off The Daily Mail in a musical way is just as likely to polarise opinion. It is a credit to how similar word readers generally are that the negative opinion has been so mild and well mannered. Post it on The Daily Mail website and you would get a very different response.
I just made a mild criticism of something that was posted. Are we meant to clap like seals on happy pills at everything everybody posts? I thought the whole point of this board was to discuss stuff. Politely.
Hey Nicodemus. Thanks for posting the clip. I reckon the balance of responses liked the vid anyway. And of course some don't. That's a better result than many. Myself I don't hate it. I just don't really see it as remarkable and worry at the laziness of anti daily mail stances. However I'd just like to point out that I understand that a viral indicates popularity. The Daily Mail and The Sun are both popular too. Whilst I am interested in what is popular and whilst I accept that what is popular speaks to human desire, I cannot say I like or approve of everything that is popular. Also virals are actually often more like the guardian. It can feel like everyone reads the guardian because all my friends do. But actually the majority of people are not my friends so this perception is off. The same goes for internet virals. Webusers who see these are often a small but vocal demographic who are sharing with like-minded people. Either way I am currently being saturated with this video. And I find it refreshing to hear some dissenting voices on this thread.
Great stuff
thanks for posting this Nicodemus
Good to see Alexis Petridis
add another string to his bow.
Alexis Petredis
The Guardian Magazine once published a letter of mine which asked why Alexis Petredis always ilustrated his men's fashion column with a picture of Rowan Atkinson. It might be coincidence but he started growing the beard very soon after.
I always thought this might be the Daily Mail song.
It's good, but it's not right...
Surely not extreme enough for yer average apoplectic xenophobe. But I suppose until someone writes a catchy little number called something like "If You Don't Vote Tory, You're Just Interloping Communist Bastards" it'll have to do.
lets start a facebook campaign
and get it to number 1
Slagging off The Daily Mail. Excuse me while I yawn.
Slagging off The Daily Mail, while it may be perfectly justifiable, has become the tiredest cliche in "comedy".
Really?
I don't think there's nearly enough of it myself.
Never enough...
slagging off racism and homophobia is cliched as well, doesn't make it the wrong thing to do though.
This isn't comedy...
...much too serious for that!
OK. Fine
But if you want to make a serious point about the content of the Daily Mail why not use real covers instead of fake ones? Perhaps this no doubt admirable young fellow, who fancies he has the wisdom and moral authority to sit in judgement over and ridicule millions of Mail readers, simply couldn't find any that fitted his lazy, cliched, distorted and exagerrated idea of what's actually in the paper.
I couldn't give two hoots about the Mail one way or the other. I just think as a fall-back gag, which it has become, it's as boring and clapped out as the one about how your socks go missing in the wash.
I think that's a very good point
and actually using the real headlines (although I think some of them are real) would have been more challenging and more interesting.
The Daily Mail is toxic in much less obvious and more insidious ways. In a way this basic disgust at the daily mail is reducing something that should be grappled with and opposed to a very simplistic that's bad argument.
A range of people read the Daily Mail from all walks of life. Many of whom I've worked with. Some who are the parents of my friends. To engage with what is wrong with the Daily Mail would be much more interesting and also probably funnier.
The video is well executed though. Time and effort and talent has definitely gone into it. And it clearly does speak to a lot of people.
A bit like The Daily Mail in that respect ;-)
Missing socks you say
how about...
Point taken...
...and I accept it. But it would be unwise for both of us to generalise about the millions of Daily Mail readers, who occasionally include my mum. But there is a kind of satanic rabble-rousing pact between the Mail (particularly online) and those readers who choose to respond (again, particularly online), whose moral and political views are (if you'll forgive the steal) lazy, cliched, distorted and exaggerated - and an affront to civilised, thoughtful people. Does that sound condescending? Tough. The Mail knows exactly what it's doing, which is whipping up a lot of not very bright people into a witch-hunting fervour. I find that repugnant. I don't think 'not giving two hoots about the Mail one way or the other' is an acceptable option, frankly.
I totally agree with that.
That's what the song should have said and then it would have been great.
Spot on Mike.
Chicken & Egg
The Mail is so successful purely because an awful lot of people want to read that sort of thing. They want to sit in moral judgement of others. They want to be whipped into a frenzy.
Mr Lowe, when did a little bit of humour
need so much disection. It's a light hearted item which doesn't need the 'ok yah' type of pretentious intellectual assessment treatment you have so kindly provided. Lighten up you miserable f*ck*r. I bet you are a real wow at parties.
There's nothing more "humourless" than weak comedy
There's nothing more "humourless" than weak comedy on a hackneyed theme.
I bow to
your obvious and considerable intellect.
I don't lay any claim to considerable intellect
And my pretentious intellectual dissection blah blah was a direct response to a post saying "this isn't just comedy, it's more serious than that".
I just find this sort of "comedy" a bit boring and obvious. And unfunny. I"d rather watch an episode of Tom & Jerry.
Tom & Jerry?
No.1 in the Daily Mail readers best cartoons ever. Interesting.
It does seem a bit easy
I enjoy the aesthetic and style of the video but its all a bit easy and it has just resulted in loads of people posting it everywhere and slagging off daily mail readers in their comments.
It's the current impossible to escape viral. But for me it doesn't really resonate. It's a one play wonder.
I don't know what I dislike more
The Daily Mail or musical comedy.
I don't know what I dislike more
The Daily Mail or musical comedy.
Ah Jaysus, lads...
... it's just a satirical song that's bloody funny.
As regards "viral" that just means it's popular.
Will refrain from posting stuff I just stumbled across in future.
Don't "refrain from posting stuff"
Or we wouldn't have anything to have civilised discussions about.
I had a pop at the song itself, not your posting of it.
Keep "em coming.
We're you unhappy...
... with the chord structure as well, or was it just the lyrics?
Both
Calling it comedy is erring on the side of generosity. As is calling it "musical".
Oh for f#ck's sake...
Lighten up Richard. When did we become so damn precious on here?
precious
is one of the concepts that is different from either side. One mans freedom fighter is anothers terrorist. One persons precious is anothers accurate.
I reckon we should probably avoid the lighten up angle as well. If you don't think its worth discussing then don't. If you do then I think both sides should assume the other has integrity. You can't just dismiss an argument by claiming that it is missing the point you have to show HOW it misses the point.
For example I think that the tune is catchy since I watched the video once but ever since then it periodically appears unasked in my head, especially when reading this thread. That is I feel a good argument against richards claims that it lacks musicality.
Generally I think he makes some fair points very well.
Light hearted..
It was an amusing clip that was posted on here to maybe lighten up people's day. Not everything in the world needs to be deconstructed and mused upon in depth.
Perhaps we could just smile for once and not have to exercise our intellect on every little nuance that is put before us.
To me that is avoiding being precious.
Yeah but...
what does need to be deconstructed and mused on in depth?
Who decides what we get to criticise and what we have to smile at (even when we don't find ourselves cracking a smile and even when we have basic objections to the material)?
I get the intention behind the original post. That's fair enough. It's nice to cheer people up and share amusing things. And I can understand the POV of all the people who say "that's really funny".
I just don't get why anyone is surprised that when posted on a public internet board, especially one that has a predilection for analysis and discussion, that there is a variety of reactions.
That's the problem with posting things in public, even if you just post to your closest friends. Recently on facebook I received a really negative response from my two oldest friends when I posted the Dizzee Rascal / Florence and the machine duet from the Brit awards.
I just stuck it there to entertain and share but they found it offensive. I couldn't argue with the fact that what I find enjoyable they might find really obnoxious.
I don't think anyone is "exercising their intellect". People are simply responding genuinely to how the video made them feel and think.
Surely that's what its all about.
For example, to me the following clip is just funny. But if I posted it on here I would expect word readers (especially since people are always going on about football on here) to be polarised by it:
Surely slagging off The Daily Mail in a musical way is just as likely to polarise opinion. It is a credit to how similar word readers generally are that the negative opinion has been so mild and well mannered. Post it on The Daily Mail website and you would get a very different response.
It's satire. It's aiming to provoke.
Hang on, who exactly is being precious here?
I just made a mild criticism of something that was posted. Are we meant to clap like seals on happy pills at everything everybody posts? I thought the whole point of this board was to discuss stuff. Politely.
I'm with you
Seems we have to justify having a giggle. See my reply to Mr Humourless-Lowe above. Keep posting, some of us appreciate it.
Blimey Axe...
...give the guy a break. He had a point...
It seems someone
has an... (wait for it, wait for it)... axe to grind
That time already? Coat it is, then.
virals
Hey Nicodemus. Thanks for posting the clip. I reckon the balance of responses liked the vid anyway. And of course some don't. That's a better result than many. Myself I don't hate it. I just don't really see it as remarkable and worry at the laziness of anti daily mail stances. However I'd just like to point out that I understand that a viral indicates popularity. The Daily Mail and The Sun are both popular too. Whilst I am interested in what is popular and whilst I accept that what is popular speaks to human desire, I cannot say I like or approve of everything that is popular. Also virals are actually often more like the guardian. It can feel like everyone reads the guardian because all my friends do. But actually the majority of people are not my friends so this perception is off. The same goes for internet virals. Webusers who see these are often a small but vocal demographic who are sharing with like-minded people. Either way I am currently being saturated with this video. And I find it refreshing to hear some dissenting voices on this thread.
That gag
hits a new Lowe
And let's not forget its slightly down-market side-kick...
And more...
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/police-remove-makeshift-daily...