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The D Word

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PhotobucketWe've tiptoed up to it many a time, only to skirt round it before tackling it head on. We've dropped hints and made vague allusions. We've read between the lines, no doubt chopped out with a Swiss Army knife. But we've never actually "done" it here, have we? So here goes.

My name is Archie and I've used drugs recreationally.

After a few not terribly satisfactory experiences with blocks of purported Moroccan hash so hard that Henry Moore would have needed a large array of power tools to chip a paltry spliff’s worth off them, I trotted off to university in the mid-Seventies.

The next-door neighbours at my hall of residence were two brothers, both pushing thirty, from San Francisco. They'd pitched up there on some only-vaguely-explained mature-student junket. Equally vaguely explained was their seemingly endless supply of cash, but they were quite up-front about what it should be spent on. "A bit druggy" doesn't come close. Brett and Brad (not their real names, but I don’t think their real names were their real names either) were Cheech & Chong re-imagined by Hunter S. Thompson, and their domain - room B-14, which not inappropriately sounds like a U.S. bomber - was the People's Republic of Lysergia.

B-14 was furnished on the centrifugal principle: push everything up against the walls to leave as much space as possible around the middle of the carpet, so as to create a respectful distance around the brothers' holy of holies, their raison d'ether: The One True Bong. Much like a wok in a modern kitchen, The One True Bong was a versatile utensil, readily processing anything more or less combustible that got chucked in it, ranging from the everyday, like Thai sticks or red Leb, to the more exotic, like opium, ayahuasca or Bulgarian vodka.

Under the brothers' shamanic guidance, I was introduced to all the above, as well as such arcane concepts as "eating Mexican" (an entrée of peyote buttons washed down with José Cuervo tequila) or "acid-trip trips" (excursions to watch double bills of Doctor Phibes movies under conditions probably not as the filmmakers intended).

Apart from declaring your willingness to listen to side one of the Pure Prairie League's Bustin’ Out in perpetuity, B-14's house rules were quite simple: don’t do barbiturates and don't do heroin. Anything else went - usually in the blink of an eye.

Nobody got any course work done, obviously, and most of us had already decided by Christmas that the only realistic option was to leave at the end of the year. But even if we weren't ideal students, we certainly couldn't be accused of not being dedicated to our chosen pursuit. The sessions - referred to by the brothers as "seminars", ho ho - would last for days, punctuated only by the odd break to heat up some chili sin carne. (Brad had declared himself a vegetarian for purely practical rather than ethical reasons: he'd discovered that food with no meat in it doesn’t go off anything like as quickly, so a single bean stew would last him for most of the term.)

My experiences with pharma for fun after that year-long initiation were - a bit like falling in love again, some might say - all something of a letdown. Yes, striving to stay in tune with the times, I did some speed in '77, coke in the Eighties and E in the Nineties, but B-14 was the yardstick against which everything that came after it got measured and, perhaps inevitably, was found disappointingly lacking.

So, that's me: to this day, pretty much everything except barbiturates and heroin. What about you?* In the spirit of B-14, whether you respond with a hoary old drug anecdote, your arguments for or against legalisation, or the formula for your own favourite MDMA precursor is entirely up to you. Just don't diss the Pure Prairie League, eh?
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* If you post here under your own name, yes, of course we’re interested in the experiences of “a friend” of yours.

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For all of my world-weary exterior...

...I'm a complete naif when it comes to drugs. I tried hash twice at university. The first time nothing happened, so I thought I'd better try it again just to check. And nothing happened.

I suppose I regard drugs in the same way I regard Springsteen. I know I'd probably like it if I stuck with it, but now I'm in my 50s I really can't be bothered.

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Handsome.P.Wonderful | 19 October 2009 - 3:04pm

The same as yourself

In my mid-40's now and unconvinced of their much lauded effect.

Spent a long time living with two close mates who were never far from a joint. Most weekends were spent in giggly torpor as they lay in, it has to be said, their underwear 'boxed' to the tits.

I tried though I was never forced to. I never got that much of a hit. I'd drag and inhale but remained steadfastly unchanged. This despite much evidence around that the gear in circulation was pretty good. A living room full of gently smiling recumbent bodies at 3am tended to be the result.

For a short while said friends became convinced I was born stoned and it was my natural state, so impervious was I. Cookies and brownies were laced and baked (I don't smoke - except for pointless drags on a dooby)and fed to me. They tasted great. I said thanks and carried on watching the telly while others toppled over in front of it like nine-pins.

.

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Beezer | 19 October 2009 - 3:40pm

inhaled - yes indeed

Ticked off everything except Heroin, might save it for one deathly hit when my aches and pains get too much.
My personal favorite was acid, but of course l don't do anything now, (and oh yes, the drugs did work).

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Spider-mans arc... | 19 October 2009 - 3:15pm

Am I being paranoid if I ask ....

...whether you are you on a retainer from the DEA, Archie?

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Martin | 19 October 2009 - 3:16pm

Obama fessed up

Can't we? Yes, we can!

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Archie Valparaiso | 19 October 2009 - 3:18pm

I refer the honourable gentlemen to


There's some correlation between the above and a "friend's" late 80s/early90s. But mostly it was all Weatherall, Boo Radleys and Joss Ackland's spunky backpack. Some really good times were had but there were a few people that he used to knock about with that never made it and others that are a shell of their former selves.

My friend's clearest memory of those times is lying with a girl in a field somewhere in the south of England with the sun coming up and feeling blissfully happy. Not as happy as when he met his wife to be or when his children were born but a damn sight happier than when the last bill fell through the letterbox. And the gurn was never a good look.

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TedLoaf | 19 October 2009 - 3:27pm

I know this is probably N S Sherlock territory

but my student times in the early 80s might as well have been the 1950s compared to what I expect is 'normal' behaviour nowadays. Drug-users were absolute minorities and limited to weed, speed and very occasional acid & mushrooms, with coke done once over the course of our 3 years. Ecstacy was literally unknown.

I suspect coke is done each and every weekend by most students these days. For me it's a been-there-done-that job, and I am too old now to repeat anything and thankfully coke is not a dinner party staple round our way. I am hoping that I'll have a reasonable outlook towards my kids when they inevitably start.

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kb | 19 October 2009 - 3:27pm

Cake

But back in the day a friend worked for a group whose singer employed an assistant. Among this gentleman's many responsibilities was to "test" any narcotics the singer might have access to. One night, my friend made a rare visit to the studio, and spied a tray of nice-looking chocolate cake. Being a hungry (some would say greedy) soul, he wolfed down several slices.

A few minutes later, the singer turned to his assistant, who'd just entered the room, and asked how the cake was. The assistant shook his head, a look of wild paranoia on his face, and struggled to whisper, "don't go near it. It's too strong".

It was only then my friend realized what he'd done, and that the cake may have been laced with something a little more potent than mere cocoa.

He spent the next three days shivering in his room, terrified to come out, the voices of his concerned flatmates outside the door only adding to the crippling fear he felt.

Always read the label.

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Fraser Lewry | 19 October 2009 - 3:29pm

Worst job I ever 'ad etc

could have been worse could have been working for one S Nicks [allegedly]--or maybe that's better-a niche occupation, either way, you might say ...

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SpaceBoy | 20 October 2009 - 7:25pm

Nonsense....

...I hear it's a great crack...

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nicktf | 21 October 2009 - 3:21am

Unreal

I've used a fairly wide variety of intoxicating substances in my time, and much of my appreciation of music and art comes from remembering that feeling you get when under the influence.
The thing is, though, it's not real. Music sounds great when you're stoned, granted, but in my experience ALL music sounds great when you're stoned. Music that sounds great when you're straight is the real mark of quality.
Now, I find trying to get the most out of life with only the mildest of stimulants - red wine, bitter and tea in my case - a much more fulfilling and ultimately meaningful experience.
If people want to use whatever substance they choose to amuse themselves, that's fine by me, but in the end the best trip or the strongest weed is no competition for the smile on a baby's face, sunset over the Alps or that point at a REALLY good concert when you know the band are enjoying it just as much as you.

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David Cooper | 19 October 2009 - 3:37pm

True, dat

I remember watching an episode of Casualty after "inhaling" in the fashion that Bill Clinton didn't, turning to my then-girlfriend, and informing her - in an awe-struck voice - that "those guys can really act."

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Fraser Lewry | 19 October 2009 - 3:44pm

I've had tea

lots of tea. And biscuits.

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Molesworth | 19 October 2009 - 3:49pm

Just say yes.

Make tea, not love.

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Tom | 19 October 2009 - 4:42pm

The DrJ Temperance Society

Medical school isn't completely square, but it's pretty square. There wasn't any drug culture in my year as far as I know. We did a lot of pizza instead. There was a year a few years below me who seemed to be making up for lost time though.

I was well into my 20's before I even saw someone light up a huge joint and pass it to me, I declined, which was odd because it was my anatomy professor.

Also, I don't drink alcohol, never have, and it seems to blow some people's minds:

Person "You don't drink?"
Me: "No"
Person: "What never ever?"
Me: "No"
Person: "Not even a sip?"
Me: "No"
*Person explodes*

It'd be easier to say, I don't drink because I had such a problem in my 20s. It's an odd thing.

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DrJ | 19 October 2009 - 3:50pm

As an Irishman

and a blood relation of yours, that is very odd and does indeed blow my mind

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Pat Carty | 19 October 2009 - 4:44pm

As another Irishman

with a wee dash of Scottish, mainly the herb and psychedelics in my younger days. Never anything opiate, and the only crack I've ever had was down the pub. I used to drink for Ireland and England combined but stopped when I turned 40 last year for reasons of hopeful longevity.
These days it's herbal teas, fruit juices and meditation. ( hoots of derisive laughter... )

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RobertC | 20 October 2009 - 8:29am

What never

Being built like an outside toilet I love the look on peoples faces when ,like you Dr J , I explain I don't drink
alcohol , I have never drunk alcohol and was never for a moment interested in the stuff .

If you think people explode now try being in your early twenties in the early eighties in Eire .

The first and only time I was stoned was during my treatment for A M L ( presently still in remission ) when as part of the pain management I was put on Nit Oxide and my mates turned up to see what kind of a drunk I would have made .

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Danmac | 19 October 2009 - 4:54pm

Tea

Well I was in my twenties in Ireland in the nineties so I know exactly the reaction. But I think the real reason I had to leave the Emerald Isle™ was that I don't drink tea either.

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DrJ | 19 October 2009 - 8:53pm

This is too weird

I also cannot abide tea .

Did you also find if you were out with a group

a) you were expected to get everyone home safe

b) every girl you spoke to when they realised you did not drink thought you were going to ply them with booze in order to have your wicked way with them .

c) some drunk tit would find your stance to be an undeclared holy joe stance designed to belittle him/her and wish to make a big deal of it ?

Mines a coffee you can trot a mouse across .

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Danmac | 19 October 2009 - 9:31pm

One of us is the other's evil twin

I agree with a, b & c. My 1981 Mini Metro was the designated car in college.

Have you experienced being drunk by proxy? You're on a night out, everyone else is drinking, and you're in on the group high, before you know it it's 4am and you're in a flourescent burgerhole singing No Burger No Fries to the tune of No Woman No Cry to your besht mate. Then you can still get in the car and go home...

Coffee is the drink of the gods!

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DrJ | 20 October 2009 - 7:32pm

a mini by any other name

Mine was a beige mini

Maybe as the Podiatrist I should be described as your poorer less successful evil twin .

You know the definition of a mate being someone who will hold your hair back whilst you puke , well the standards of 1970's 80's hair I was a good mate to a lot of blokes .

Sometime please get me to tell you the story of the souped up Fiat 128 eight lads needing a lift and one of them thinking it was funny to throw golfballs at a garda patrol car at 3am in Mullingar .

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Danmac | 21 October 2009 - 5:59pm

Dangers of reading the last post first

Found myself momentarily wondering why you were wearing a beige mini---though perhaps it's the new black ...

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SpaceBoy | 21 October 2009 - 6:36pm

tonight I will be wearing

Nick if you saw the size of me you will realise I did wear the beige Mini .

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Danmac | 21 October 2009 - 7:44pm

The next question:

to me, at least, is always:

"WHY?!?"

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Kjell | 19 October 2009 - 7:12pm

Sighs...

... I miss drugs. They were great. They made nightclubs bearable and me incredibly witty and interesting.

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ganglesprocket | 19 October 2009 - 3:54pm

The Cosby Show is a work of art

I used to be an absolute demon spliff smoker, even taking days off work to indulge. Knot's Landing never looked so good. And as for Sons & Daughters, Countdown, Sound Like Music with Bobby Crush, Open Air and that word quiz thing with Paul Coia, they were all amazing.

But then I realised it was keeping me awake and I couldn't concentrate, and so I knocked it on the head.

To be honest I can't think of anything I'd rather to less now. Even the smell of it makes me nauseous. The legacy is I'm still a (cigarette) smoker.

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Five-Centres | 19 October 2009 - 3:55pm

All I will say is...

onanism after having eaten 10 space cakes = ✔

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Patrick Crowther | 19 October 2009 - 4:32pm

think

most blokes find onanism is pretty cool after a couple of Jaffa cakes

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Sheev | 19 October 2009 - 4:37pm

best.post.evah.

better half just asked me what i was laughing at.

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badartdog | 19 October 2009 - 5:42pm

Seconded...

that was funny.

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Patrick Crowther | 19 October 2009 - 5:43pm

Thirded

After I had to google it up to see what it meant! The things you learn on this site!

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Lunaman | 19 October 2009 - 6:21pm

"The referee's an onanist"

Nah, can't see it catching on, myself.

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billyous | 19 October 2009 - 6:28pm

geek alert

Onan was instructed to shag his sister-in-law after God slew his allegedly wicked big brother, Er ... so Onan was a bit nonplussed by this and "spilled his seed" rather than impregnating his lately bereaved sis-in-law ... then the Lord topped Onan for being disobedient (Genesis 38)

he gets a bad press does Onan ... and that God? Nasty bloke ...

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Glenbervie | 19 October 2009 - 8:33pm

From Manhattan

Woman: I finally had an orgasm, and my doctor said it was the wrong kind.

Isaac [Woody Allen]: You had the wrong kind? I've never had the wrong kind, ever. My worst one was right on the money.

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SpaceBoy | 19 October 2009 - 9:12pm

Banging one out

over money? How American is that?

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Leedsboy | 19 October 2009 - 9:32pm

Seems to be some Euro form on this one

curiously enough---see Danger Diabolik


liked the description here:

http://teleport-city.com/wordpress/?p=647

While I may not be able to make love on a giant rotating bed covered in hundred dollar bills, I might be able to get a little action on a futon covered by a pile of pennies. So I’m on my way, working slowly up the ladder of swankiness, and in a few years, I figure I’ll have all the stuff Diabolik and Argoman have.

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SpaceBoy | 19 October 2009 - 10:19pm

Depends

how you employ the jaffa cake

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Molesworth | 19 October 2009 - 6:26pm

Caister Soul Weekender

around 1985 some mates made me some cheese on toast with something on it, as I was and am a confirmed non-smoker. Didn't really do a lot and and got my highs from beer ever since.

I hand you over to some real experts!


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Dave Amitri | 19 October 2009 - 4:51pm

So it was you!

I lived in Caister on Sea for the first 18 years of my life (parents still there) until I thought I would try a different culture whilst at University so I went to Bradford!

The Soul Weekenders were legendary for "casuals" in espadrils, cardigans and white socks running amock in Great Yarmouth with flourescent spray string in a can.

Me and my NWOBHM loving mates would tut and go and buy the latest Sounds approved album from Woolworths or John Menzies.

Anyway back to the point of the thread...I studied Pharmacy at Bradford so drug use was minimal on my course, as you would expect, as it was training the keepers of the country's Controlled Drugs!

My personal experience is limited to some hash cakes and amyl nitrate in my 20s. I've never really seen the need for drugs, apart from a good red wine and a G+T.

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Uncle Wheaty | 19 October 2009 - 7:33pm

I went once

as I was the only one who had a car that would make it from West London to the Norfolk coast. My 47 year old brother still goes to the reunions with his other middle aged friends. I believe the white socks are still obligatory.

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Dave Amitri | 19 October 2009 - 10:23pm

Not wishing to be a downer

but I witnessed a friend lose the plot completely in the space of 3 university terms because of drugs. Having money stolen, human excrement and vomit on your floor and walls and threats of violence take their toll. I've no beef with people who do drugs and I've friends who, over 40 and with kids, still do (mainly just a bit of weed) but to see someone you know well become a total stranger in the space of a few months renders you angry and empty in equal measure. I last saw her at a party in London 3 years after graduation in the summer of '92. She was self-harming and living a life of drifting in and out of clinic/refuge in Brighton where she'd check herself in when it was all too much for her. Her boyfriend was abusive and unconfirmed rumours were circulating at the party that she might be HIV positive because of needle sharing. She'd come at the invitation of a mutual friend who was trying to put her amongst peers who were living a normal life to remind her she had other options. Her good intentions failed miserably and she was almost catatonic with guilt about it for days afterwards.

I'd been DJ'ing at the party and having just finished my set I met her in a small group. She looked fine at first and so still buzzing from my set I asked her the time. She rolled up her sleeve and showed me her watch but all I could look at were the needle marks and burn marks. She clocked my face and that was it.

I'm bored of drugs, people talking about drugs and people glamourising drugs. I'm bored of people banning drugs, people's hysteria about drugs and people's misconceptions about drugs. I'm not bored about telling people this story though I wish I was.

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Ahh_Bisto | 19 October 2009 - 5:24pm

I don't think anyone here would deny the dangers involved...

in drug usage. I've known people that have lost the plot completely and it isn't pretty. However that doesn't mean that interesting and wonderful experiences can't be had when taking drugs. Personally I lost many years of my life to alcohol abuse and I wish I could get them back. But I can't, so now I enjoy a double espresso instead.

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Patrick Crowther | 19 October 2009 - 5:41pm

Disgusted from Bolton writes

Of course I would NEVER go near drugs.

*looks left and right*

but I have a CLOSE friend who used to take a puff on a funny cigarette that was passed to me, er, him. Never did anything for him so he stuck to the legal drug of choice. Real ale. Funny dat as I went to work for one of Lancashire's finest real ale breweries. The nearest I have got to exotic powders and "tabs" would be my usual supply of American Cream Soda and Jelly Belly sweets. Far out maan.

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Beany | 19 October 2009 - 5:30pm

My mum

buys me a large jar of Jelly Belly Beans every Christmas. I can't get enough of them.

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Ahh_Bisto | 19 October 2009 - 5:41pm

Semi-detached Suburban Mr. Blast

yer usual prog fair in the 70s - weed, downers (no acid, ma heid's fecked up enuff)
80s Goth wizz
since then odd puff on a 'jazz fag' but I prefer a reasonably priced South of the Equator merlot/cab sauv/shiraz or German/Belgian lager (must be chilled to just above freezing) - had some great buzzes on them, loads in fact "and biscuits"

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James Blast | 19 October 2009 - 5:46pm

no booze,

no drugs here.
I'm sure some of the music I enjoy has been made using drugs but everything I've ever read about the joys of drug taking just bores the arse off me.
When I was 16/17 at house-parties the stoners all went off to sit cross legged in a bedroom whilst we were dancing and snogging downstairs.

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badartdog | 19 October 2009 - 5:50pm

Kind of over them

First smoked dope aged 16 at the flagpole in Queen's Park. Dabbled with it off and on but never got majorly preoccupied with it.

I did gather some magic mushrooms (with expert friends) from the very good lawns at Pollok House. I didn't feel affected by them - maybe I was too cautious and under-dosed.

I have friends who have lost literally years to dope, and one good friend who discovered he liked it pretty much more than anything else. When he was made redundant from his job, he squirrelled away as much cash as he could and became as frugal as possible in his habits, but never stopped smoking. In all honesty, he became pretty dull pretty quickly once he was smoking every day.

The last time I smoked it was in the company of Primal Scream. (clang as the name drops.) I grew up in the next street to them and we hung about a bit as boys. We haven't exactly kept in close contact but I bumped into them at a gig in Glasgow in 1994 or so and we had a long-lost catchup. I had a little of their skunk, on top of quite a bit of Furstenburg. Again, I enjoyed it, but less than I had before, but it was fiercer than my previous experiences had been and the next day was astonishingly grim. I thought "I wonder how many people in the world say 'The last time I took drugs was with Primal Scream, and I'm not doing them any more after that.'. This is a pretty funny story, and I think I'll leave it at that."

So - I'm not against it, not for it, have no compulsion to dabble again.

The only time I had proper chemicals was when I dislocated my shoulder and they had to give me heroin, tempazepam and valium so they could pull it back out and put it back in the socket. I could certainly see what William Burroughs had been going on about : if I wanted to retreat from the world, heroin made my inner space pretty attractive. But I realise that taking the drugs in this way - manufactured in a Swiss lab, administered by medical professionals - is a different experience from recreational use. When I got home from A&E that night, I had to phone my boss, at home, to tell him what had happened and why I would be off work for a couple of weeks. I can still picture how carefully I was enunciating, ripped to the tits on finest pharmeceuticals, speaking v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y.

Nowadays (another clang for a Daily Express word!) I prefer a decent malt, or a pint of Fireside, or a nice glass of red wine.

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el hombre malo | 19 October 2009 - 6:14pm

Clang! indeed

spotted a Rank Badjin post, again via the first line.

hee hee heee

worst/best banjo I ever had on hashish was a free joint that was passed along the row at a Steve Hillage (L tour, Glasgow Apollo trainspotters), I was up for hours on the buzz and that included a short train ride home, once the 'whitey' subsided it was pretty groovey mahn

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James Blast | 19 October 2009 - 7:09pm

Most of my 1980s was a 'snowstorm'

and it took the full NA 12-step malarkey to get off it. These days, I just empty a sherbet dab-dab onto the mirror and suck it up through the licorice straw :-)

Just say no, kids (makes Grange Hill 'Just Say No' sign)

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stimpy | 19 October 2009 - 6:17pm

The worst "fun" drug ever

With speed hot on its heels in second place.

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Archie Valparaiso | 19 October 2009 - 6:35pm

From what I hear...

Crystal Meth has entered that particular chart at number 1.

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stimpy | 20 October 2009 - 9:18am

You want to watch those Sherbet Fountains though.

I was once foolish enough, having already eaten the liqourice stick, to rip off the paper top and try tipping the fizz into my mouth whilst playing football with me mates and running up the left wing at full tilt. The whole bloody torpedo of sugar and bicarb shot out of the tube and into the back of my throat. I was foaming at the chops and gasping for breath for a full five minutes. Dangerous stuff, sherbet.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 20 October 2009 - 12:28pm

That, my friend, is a footballing story worthy

of Danny Baker's Radio 5 podcast

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stimpy | 20 October 2009 - 3:10pm

new

I still indulge in a little smoke but its a long time since I have done acid,e's or coke.
Acid was ok but mushrooms were better buzz.
MDMA was without doubt the best drug I ever took. The buzz was amazing but sadly the comedown was long and painful[It cost me a son who I havent seen since he was 3 months old].Saying that I dont blame drugs but myself. Noone made me take them.
By the way any other smokers out there think the quality is crap now?

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paintyface | 19 October 2009 - 6:21pm

My last experience

with the Herbal Jazz cigarettes was about five years ago. It was the Skunk stuff and was absolutely vile. It was way too strong for a start. It gave me palpitations and the Fear. Not mellow at all. Horrible in fact, and I've never had a bad trip.

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RobertC | 20 October 2009 - 11:31am

Never tried 'em

Seriously. Just never really fancied it. I have a reasonably loose grip on reality as it is, and didn't want to loosen it any further.

I'm entirely fine with the idea of other people snorting and smoking whatever they like, as long as I don't have to have a conversation with them while they're doing it (it's not much fun being the only sober person in a room full of stoners)

Only been drunk a handful of times too. I'm pretty much allergic to alcohol, and a glass of anything tends to make me beetroot red, itchy and queasy feeling. Not fun at all.

Make mine a sparkling water and a bowl of fun-free gruel, I guess...

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Hannah | 19 October 2009 - 6:24pm

Did I tell you the one.......

'Kid walks into the front room see his nan sitting on the sofa says to her "Nan have you seen two little tablets I left on top of the TV - LSD ?"

Nan says " No - but have you seen the F*****G dragons in the Kitchen"!

I'll get my coat............

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Lunaman | 19 October 2009 - 6:31pm

An interesting option....

I must say I love getting out of it from time to time. I also have very good control and hold down a decent job & like to think I provide and look after my family well. I used to smoke quite a bit of dope for about twenty five years. It took me quite a few attempts before I managed to stop smoking. Everytime I thought I'd cracked it I'd really miss getting stoned and listening to my new favourite album/cd. I'm well aware that the true test of good music is that it should work whether you are stoned or not but personally after spending many years as a professional musician and having the pleasure of listening to music on some of the best sound systems in the world(Rockfield/Sarm East & west/Strawberry/Olympic etc etc)both stoned and straight I like to occasionaly enhance the listening experience by getting very stoned. How I finally managed to stop was that I began to have a little dope in a milky coffe 'blasted' in the microwave for a couple of minutes. This method meant that I was no longer stuck with having to smoke to get stoned. I was free from the worst and most addictive drug tobacco. That was nine years ago and I haven't smoked since. I now choose to get stoned occasionally when I find the right night with a bit of 'me' time on hand. I'm sure that there are plenty of dope smokers out there that would like to stop smoking but the dreaded tobacco makes it very hard indeed. Getting back to the music side I find that I will stretch myself a little more and try kinds of music that I might not listen to otherwise.
On another note it is interesting that some of our favourites made their best music while intoxicated in some form or another and after cutting it out never made a decent album again - or was it coincidence?

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Lunaman | 19 October 2009 - 7:06pm

Ahem!

a guy I know, not really a friend is quite interested in this milky coffee/microwave thingey - I'll gladly pass on any info you may (or not) have to him, or her

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James Blast | 19 October 2009 - 7:14pm

Never dabbled, never felt the need to.

I've only once been offered any kind of drug. Whilst a student at University my housemates asked me if I'd go upstairs with them to smoke some marajuana.

Just said "No thanks", they said "No probs". And that was that.

Dull I know, but that's the story of my drug hell.

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Reno Dakota | 19 October 2009 - 7:17pm

My drug HORA

Nicely buzzed on mushrooms, circa 1981.

Someone puts Heroes on the turntable. I'm fine until Sense of Doubt comes on.

You can guess the rest. I can honestly say that since that dreadful, traumatic night I've never touched Berlin-era Bowie again.

Drugs? I stuck with them for another 20 years but then decided I wanted my head back. Don't miss them at all these days - red wine and whisky should see me out.

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Captain Underpants | 19 October 2009 - 7:43pm

Fungi

I was something of a fungal enthusiast in my early twenties. Loved the collecting, the thrill of the chase, early morning raids on fields of befuddled sheep. I think I saw myself as something of a Huxley in the making. This wasn't recreational drug use, you understand. This was research, often accompanied by a Spacemen 3 soundtrack. There were moments of pure bliss, the 'istigkeit' of being, 'seeing' God, universal oneness and all that. But one autumn night it all went Pete Tong. I was on my own, there wasn't much on tv, so I made myself a very big mushroom sandwich. A mass of slimy, glistening 'shrooms betwixt two slices of white bread . Yum, yum. Alas the ascent was so rapid and the the high so intense that I lost my bearings and started to panic. I crawled to my stash of Lps and put on World Party's Goodbye Jumbo, hoping Karl Wallinger's beatific sounds might calm me down. But as the album played out it began to sound like my epitaph. "Are you really alive", Karl asked me on 'Thankyou World' and I really wasn't sure. Went into the bathroom, which appeared as my own white marble tomb. Cue massive anxiety attack, and a blind dash to the neighbour's for reassurance and cups of hot tea. I tried them again a few times after that, but anxiety was always lurking and I could never enjoy it. In retrospect, I really don't think I had the mental constitution for it.

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Martin | 20 October 2009 - 1:14am

Same as most

I used to enjoy a smoke but only rarely tried anything else. These days I'll take a puff if passed a spliff at a party but don't actively go looking for it.
A couple of years ago I passed one of those jolly fellows who amuse the tourists by offering to sell them weed every few metres along Camden High Street. I thought, 'Why not?' and went home with a little bag of skunk. Guess what? It was terrific. Mellowing, sleep inducing, arts enhancing, touchy-feely making terrific. But I've been there and done it and don't really feel the need to do it all the the time.
Last time I was in Camden there were a few obvious dealers on the High Street but it seems the Met has found a proper use for community coppers, and it looked like it would be far more effort than it was worth to buy any weed.

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Gatz | 19 October 2009 - 7:46pm

my d experiences

Well I tried this stuff which looked like an oxo cube and no effect on me at all. What was useful was a presentation at the local Town Council where I was a member by the local drugs squad. he passed round these little plastic bags containing LSD, heroin etc for us to look at. at the end he even lit some weed and passed it around so we could have a sniff.

and that's the closest i got to it......

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andrewdavidlong | 19 October 2009 - 9:21pm

Some weed

at Uni was the extent of my experience. Repeated with considerably more commitment when I went back in 1993 for a year. I remember seeing the first couple of songs at a Dylan concert and then the encore. This also happened with The Cure, Van Morrison, Lou Reed and several of my exams. It was a very good year.

Only twice since. Once about 7 years ago to get me through a retirement 'do' for my boss.

Secondly, quite recently with an improvised 'bong' in a cleaning cupboard at a slightly dodgy pub in East Belfast in the company of a once famous guitar player. I felt fairly weird on the way in, and cannot describe how I felt on the way out!

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Steven C | 19 October 2009 - 9:40pm

Heaven in a wild flower...(well, fungus)

I had a MARVELLOUS time with some "oong" on Koh Phan Yang (back before it had roads) - it was my 23rd birthday, and a cup of the local mushroom tea was in order. So with a couple of friends, I scarved down about half a pint of dirty grey liquid, and ate all the slug-like lumps at the bottom. Nothing happened.

After about 10 minutes, I had a bit of a tummy ache. In fact, all of us did, so we staggered to the beach to watch the sunset. This was a secluded spot, the only slight distraction being some German tourists - too far to be visible, but just within earshot as the sound travelled across still evening wires. The sun went down, and I slowly realised that I could understand what they were saying, only now, they seemed to be in a bubble. So on my left was German world, entirely separate from the rest of my psyche. Strange things were happening in front, too. The sunset, molten lava to the sea, was as spectacular as every night, possibly more so this evening, but now dusk had settled, what was that on the waves? Cortex brain said "It's a boat, and the lights you can see are from the portholes, reflecting on the water.". The rest of my brain decided it was the most splendig creature, strutting proudly across the sea on orange carrot legs. I asked my comrades and they agreed. I asked the Germans, and they too concurred, despite the distance.

A sober friend, who had warned of perils and pitfalls, had joined us, not wanting to see us drown I guess, but he was putting a real downer on the experience. So much so, in fact, that his face would stretch, lit with the neon lines of a Looney Toons cartoon, and every expression would be magnified into Elmer Fudd. Enough. He was consigned to a private world, a bubble, like the Germans, but a dark one. I would try not to look there.

To my right, everything was happy. Like looking through the clearest crystal, the beach was pristine, pin sharp, perfect. The few beach shacks looked so inviting, there was music playing and all was well in the world.

But what is this? My legs are lengthening before my very eyes! Stop it! Cortex takes over and says "it's the oong, relax" and they return to normal size. But not for long. There they go again. They will be in the sea soon! Every time cortex shrinks them, they sneakily stretch out. I can stride across the ocean! Well, if I could stand up.

And what am I lying on? great boulders, shards of jagged rock. I can feel every one, touching every nerve. If Blake could see the world in a grain of sand, I'm lying on the Universe. Oh hell, I've somehow tried to eat the beach and now my mouth is full of giant rocks. I can feel the sides of each cube with my tongue. I am one with the sand.

My legs have returned, and thick, arterial blood is oozing from between my toes. Luckily, swarms of insects have appeared to devour it, I let them, because cortex can make them disappear.

And so the evening passed into night, and the three of us lay there sharing visions, listening to the waves that broke only for us and occasionally laughing at some German joke which would drift in on the wind.

Enough, the Germans are incomprehensible. Elmer has returned to the hut, my worlds are no longer compartmentalised and I badly need to pee. Legs, recognisable, but still not my own, make their way to the bushes and the night draws to the end.

It was so perfect that I've never had the inclination to repeat it.

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nicktf | 19 October 2009 - 9:43pm

The strongest mood altering substance...

... I have consumed is a Tunnocks Tea Cake. Mind blowing, man.

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peterafifer | 19 October 2009 - 9:46pm

Just say no

The downside of drugs came to me when I bought my first house and had young sprogs. A year or two later our new next door neighbour was revealed as the local drug dealer. This became apparent with much coming and goings at all hours. Many stoned young 'uns rung the wrong doorbell at all hours and much Madchester music and giggling took place in upstairs rooms alongside our children's rooms.

Fortunately it ended when he was jailed for GBH and we moved out shortly afterwards - no connection between the two. I must admit that I used to wish both him and Shaun Ryder a long and uncomfortable death. My opinion has not changed.

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Beany | 19 October 2009 - 10:19pm

Skin

The first time I inhaled was the night Tommy Vance played The Wall in its entirety on his Friday Night Rock Show. By the time I exhaled, over 20 odd years later I'd tripped on far flung beaches, sped my way through some very seedy parties in Brixton, hallucinated joyously at a Grateful Dead concert at Madison Square Gardens, had a gun pulled on me by a very cross IRA enforcer, witnessed a close friend get beaten up by an even crosser dealer, made a ton of cash courtesy of the early MDMA days, spent a ton of cash courtesy of a sociable nasal habit, got stupidly stoned with several famous musicians and lost a number of treasured possessions thanks to short term memory loss (I think).

And then I had kids. And that gradually put a stop to it all. No more. No more.

By the way, how many of you took a trip listening to this?


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McLongWhiteCloud | 19 October 2009 - 10:29pm

Me?

Smoked a bit at sixth form but suffered a lot from what I have now learned are called "whiteys" - you feel horrible and are very sick. So there went my future as a stoner.

Manchester. Late 80's at Uni. At the Hacienda.. drinking bitter. Couldn't work out, and neither could my mates, why the blokes in the bogs kept saying "Eezantrips" to us.

So that all passed me by.

Portsmouth, late 1990's - lots of high-end nose going around care of a couple of very big local dealers and banana boats from the West Indies using the port. I felt I should see what the fuss was all about. Made the end of my nose go numb and I talked even more bollocks than normal. Good fun, though.

Since then? Not a lot. The Portsmouth Cocaine barons moved into the property market. But I do know a bloke, a dentist in Devon, who lists taking drugs as a hobby. Anything. He's not got an addictive streak and just enjoys getting off his tits on whatever his dealer will get him.

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Lenny Law | 19 October 2009 - 11:06pm

Coming up to mid-fifties..

and still enjoy a smoke, sometimes alone, sometimes with my ever-dwindling sprinkling of like-minded music lovers and/or football fans. No, the music and football isn't improved as such but the extra perspective on, say, matters of production and thrust and strategy can be enlightening and usually entertaining. We're a very pleasant bunch of people, articulate, reasonable and discrete, there really isn't a downside to it. Well obviously, it does cost a bit.

Years ago, as students, we did spend too many days loaded and tried this and that: acid was very intense indeed, don't desire it these days though. Having a smoke together is still very much part of our culture, however, and we've just spent a weekend together, celebrating 35 years of great friendship. So I really resent hash being lumped together with the mass of drugs as we continue to show that getting stoned is a civilised experience, doesn't need to be anything else. By trhe way, my source has been the same guy for going on 30 years now, so luck there as well.

This also means I don't get into a panic when my own teenege kids start experimenting but rather encourage them to be reasonable and not overdo anything, especially alcohol..

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Declan | 19 October 2009 - 11:14pm

Horses for courses

alcohol for me and cigarettes, surely two of the worst drugs in history. But there you go.

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chabsy | 20 October 2009 - 12:26am

I think

my addictions include TV, (good) Red Wine, Coffee and the Word website--and I am frankly unsure which is the most serious. But I did manage to give up sugar in coffee a while ago, and was amazed what a mood-stabilising step that was ...

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SpaceBoy | 20 October 2009 - 6:16am

Changing the chemistry

I realise the above sounds a bit glibly facetious & probably was a bit more nervously ironic than I intended--I think I am concerned about addiction itself rather than chemicals per se. For me coffee is just ahead of the booze because its effect on daytime mood and judgement is more obvious--but in a sense that makes alcohol more dangerous.

The sugar experiment was a real eye-opener, I was both struck by how unexpectedly easy it was to give it up (not a property it shares with e.g. alchohol) and how much difference it makes.

I still think Chris Morris has pretty much said it all--I still remember Will Self's "I'm not worthy" tone in his review of this :


here

http://will-self.com/2006/01/29/chris-the-saviour-will-self-on-chris-mor...

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SpaceBoy | 21 October 2009 - 6:44am

Productivity black hole

Good points, Nick. I’m with you on the general ‘addictions’ front, in that they are not all chemically-based. Obsessively checking and periodically contributing to this blog is Class A status for me. I posted the other night about how great this site is – all human life here etc - but it is a productivity black hole.

I have come close to failing college assignments because I felt it was more important to recreate the entire Beatles output in foodstuffs or to argue about the merits or otherwise of the down arrow. I can understand why certain posters appear to go for the cold turkey option as I have found that the moderation option is nigh-on impossible when you do a job that is only one click away from instant access.

On a more serious note, I read an interview with Sheryl Gascoigne the other day. Gazza’s problems and fundamental character flaws are well documented but they often seem to be attributed solely to alcohol. I think, though, that even if he was sober, something else would take the place of drink – gambling, illegal / prescription drugs or an eating disorder perhaps. Gazza is obviously at the extreme end of the spectrum but I admit I am on the spectrum nevertheless.

When I compare myself to the GLW, she can take or leave booze, food etc (although she is worryingly addicted to House ;-)). Some people have a kind of, without stretching the point, zen-like centred-ness while others like myself require substances or experiences in some form to fill the void.

Jeez – this is deep for a Wednesday lunchtime isn’t it?!

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DougieJ | 21 October 2009 - 11:25am

my own

Zen mistress is pretty keen on House-I think that's a given ;-)

But yes, deep for Weds. But he *did* ask ...

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SpaceBoy | 21 October 2009 - 1:23pm

You hum it, I'll smoke it

Photobucket This is quite possibly the only surviving picture of B-14. I don't remember taking it. (Now there's a surprise.) Here's Brett. Brett didn't play the clarinet. Brett didn't own a clarinet. I can only assume that Brett had somehow acquired a clarinet with a view to assessing its potential as a kick-ass accessory for The One True Bong.

And yes, his eyes were always like that.

(I've often wondered what happened to Brett and Brad. But I'd put money on them ending up either as minor characters in a Tom Waits lyric or as joint CEOs of a particularly rapacious multinational corporation - nothing in between.)

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Archie Valparaiso | 20 October 2009 - 8:21am

As a former clarinet player

I can tell that Brett doesn't play the clarinet. He's got the mouthpiece on back to front (he's got the reed on the top, rather than the bottom).

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Handsome.P.Wonderful | 20 October 2009 - 10:10am

which

probably tells us everything about Brett and Brett's world

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Sheev | 20 October 2009 - 10:14am
Martin | 20 October 2009 - 6:57pm

German Pen friend

dropped me in it. From age of 15 to 18 was a habitual smoker of marijuana,hashish etc etc. At the age of 16 my German Pen Friend came over from Hamburg to spend 2 weeks with us. During the week I took him to see friends where we would smoke large amounts of dope. Upon returning home one evening my Dad asked what we had been doing to which my pen friend replied 'we went to see some of Steve's friends and smoked marijuana!!' - my dad was incredulous and I unconvincingly tried to make out that my pen friends English was at fault and that he hadn't explained himself very well,we had merely been smoking cigarettes. Many years later my old man confessed that he knew anyway but had just thought it was a phase I was going through (it was). With regret never tried acid or coke - too scared about the effects.

One thing about the 'drug years' some of the accompanying music was bizarre - I recall specifically Alices Restaurant by Arlo Guthrie, Lay down by Melanie, Ted Nugents Amboy Jukes and Pink Faeries. Those were the days.

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Steve Turner | 20 October 2009 - 8:42am

This friend of mine …

… tried most things during his adolescence and youth. Some things he smoked had no other effect than to make him incredibly randy, which got him into trouble on a couple of occasions. Other things he ingested kept him awake all night, which he didn't like at all. Still other things made him behave like a total plonker and upset his friends, or gave him disturbing visions which stayed with him for longer than he would have liked. He had no time for the substances that made one slump, dead-eyed, in a corner.

In the end, my friend shrugged his shoulders and dedicated himself to the consumption of beer, taking as his inspiration the words of Dylan Thomas:

"I liked the taste of beer, its live white lather, its brass-bright depths, the sudden world through the wet brown walls of the glass, the tilted rush to the lips and the slow swallowing down to the lapping belly, the salt on the tongue, the foam at the corners."

In the end though, even the beer bored him and made him fat. Wine made his joints ache and spirits kept him awake at night.

Nowadays, my friend has the odd pint or two, just to be sociable like, and enjoys the occasional, sudden jolt of a well-aimed espresso. Two cups of tea a day, he finds, keep him on top of things and don't interrupt his sleep.

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Silas Lang | 20 October 2009 - 8:59am

Never been there, never done that

I've never ever smoked, not even tobacco (always seemed singularly pointless), so drugs were never going to happen for me, and I've always avoided them successfully, except one night when I'm convinced I was spiked with E (short version: I had an amazing time, but felt so completely out of control I'd never want to repeat it.)

Me & the GLW are defininitely the exception in our circle, including many parents who appear to regularly spark up in a civilised manner after the kids are put to bed - no way to confirm it of course, but we're fairly sure we're not invited to some occasional "dinner parties" when they know "Persian Rugs" will be making an appearance after the dessert. That's fine.

I used to drink like a fish though, so have no high horse to get on, but do worry about the younger generation's apparent drug-hoovering proclivities, or am I just being scaremongered?

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Metal Mickey | 20 October 2009 - 10:35am

Cultural conditioning

Something that is, if not exactly forgotten, certainly glided over is that one of the most potent and physically harmful recreational drugs - and certainly the most problematic socially - is alcohol. It leads to broken homes and heads, wrecked lives and livers, and leaves a hell of a mess on the nation's pavements of a Sunday morning.

My parents both drank spirits, with what our society would call gusto, but if it had been any other drug would have been called an uncontrolled addiction. Neither of them made it to 70.

I've been rather surprised by some of the contributions in this thread so far, with several posters seeming to imply that a glass or three of red wine, a few good slugs of a single malt or a frothing tankard of real ale is somehow less reckless than, say, taking MDMA, when the sense of being mentally, physically and emotionally out of control when you're drunk is actually a lot more intense and less pleasant than an E rush or even most acid trips.

Having a fear of, and socially rejecting, alcohol would make more sense than rejecting most recreational drugs as "dangerous". And a bad hangover is far, far worse than even the nose-diviest B-14 comedown I ever had.

It's the stigma that is bolted onto drug use that I find so puzzling. Take Brian Clough in his later years. It was obvious from the way he looked and the way he talked that he was killing himself with drink. But can you imagine people reacting the same way if instead of an alcoholic he'd been a junkie? "Aye, he enjoys chasin' t' dragon, does our Cloughie. He's a rum 'un, bless 'im."

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Archie Valparaiso | 20 October 2009 - 11:03am

Further information

I came across an interesting podcast called 'Hooked' it does tend to focus on what I'd call the harder drugs but although I have no direct need to listen to it I find it very informative and interesting. Here's what they say about it themselves -

Hooked is a weekly podcast which looks at the world of drugs. Allison Downing and Nigel Brunsdon, two specialist Harm Reduction workers, aim to educate and dispel myths about substances. They’ll give you the full story about safer use, strategies for cutting down and stopping, help available and tell you all the stuff you wanted to know but were never taught. The show will also look at good practice and innovative work with street drug users within a Harm Reduction framework.

The show aims to appeal to everyone, from those who feel they know nothing about drugs and want to gain more information, to current users looking for some sound advice and to professionals working with drug using clients.

Here's the link and it's available through Itunes too.

http://www.simplysyndicated.com/shows/hooked/

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Lunaman | 20 October 2009 - 12:37pm

Never was able to get to grips with hash.

I blame my first experience, which started with myself and a mate being plied with bong hits by his elder brother to a soundtrack of Frank Zappa, and ended up with me knocking myself out against his mother's revolving clothes line in the garden having just vomited over my new suede shoes..

I've had some brilliant times and great memories from nights on drugs, but I really don't have any wish to do it anymore. A glass of red sat with the wife in front of a BBC4 documentary is my idea of a perfect Friday night these days.

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jimmymack | 20 October 2009 - 12:50pm

"Oh don't you..."

"...puke on my new suede shoes"

(calls for deep-fried bacon and peanut butter sandwich)

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nicktf | 20 October 2009 - 6:09pm

For nearly thirty years I suffered the curse of the T word.

Tobacco. The most addictive and destructive drug that is freely and legally available the world over. In the end it even spoiled my enjoyment of cannabis, given that the only reason I don't still smoke the odd J is that I dare not subject myself to the pernicious temptations of the T weed. That and the fact that most grass these days is more powerful than the Large Hadron Collider, and about as much fun to smoke.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 20 October 2009 - 1:42pm

I quite freely admit that I lost several years of my life

and a small fortune to cocaine but I was never tempted to try 'T'. It seemed far too serious for me.

That's not meant to be amusing or ironic either.

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stimpy | 20 October 2009 - 3:15pm

Bloody good move.

I'd only dabbled with the occasional Colombian Marching Powder toot, but after staying up all night once (for nefarious and dope related reasons) I then went to work the next day revitalised and fortified by the Medellin cartel's finest produce. I vowed never to do it again. I can still, even after all these years, remember the look of confused horror on my colleague's faces as I gabbled and gurned my way through the morning in a ghastly fog of utter self confidence and simultaneous stupidity. By lunchtime I was toast. Lank, limpid, grey and soggy toast.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 20 October 2009 - 6:34pm

a strain of cannabis called cheese

...is the super-bionic fry-your-brains-out bug-eyed, smells-like-week-old-football-socks stuff that the stupid people in my home city partake in.
i say "stupid" because of my job, where i come into contact with them, and find out just how little it allows them to separate reality from MTV videos.
i was never pro or anti drugs, until i saw the effect it has on people who lose control of themselves due to having an addictive personality(and this doesn't refer to EVERYONE who takes drugs, only the miserable few who don't know when to stop...)

nowadays a good bottle of rum, and a pile of new-wave vinyl on my wheel of steel - is what gets me high.
much more inspirational.

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eightbaII | 20 October 2009 - 6:26pm

I have it on good authority that in Amsterdam,

home of the dope connoisseur, the heads that smoke the GM, bred-to-within-an-inch-of-lethal stuff are ideologically so at odds with the organic only-smoke-the-original-plant crew that it's like a Rangers and Celtic experience if you mention the other in the presence of one.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 20 October 2009 - 6:38pm

Something that has always confused me ...

... is who or what is driving the market for ever stronger strains of grass? Is it egomaniacal Dutch breeders, caught up in a pointless MJ arms race or what? Of course, a simple way of counteracting the increased strength is to use less in your J. Allegedly. And for those who struggle with the tobacco/MJ association, my friend suggests a bong. Good news from the US by the way. Obama has effectively put a block on federal prosecutors taking criminal action against individuals using state legalised medical marijuana. A victory for common sense, I think.

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Martin | 20 October 2009 - 9:16pm

that's about right...

the stuff is so powerfull...
i remember my mates getting a toot back in the 80's(i didn't as i was prone to asthma) and feeling all mellow.
"cheese" however, will make you forget to breath, and is a ticking timebomb of psychosis in years to come, when we will have a massive increase in schizophrenia/depression/breakdowns.
the organic stuff... mellow.
GM bred-within-an-inch etc... very dangerous.

incidentally, there are certain asthma medicines which when taken with alcohol, are like speed... only legal, and no comedown.

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eightbaII | 20 October 2009 - 7:21pm

The psychosis thing does concern me.

At the height of the Julie Myerson skunk thing, Caitlin Moran wrote an excellent column in The Times concerning her own time lost to the evil polyploid weed. I'm no expert in these matters but it does seem that the stuff is decidedly more addictive than yer traditional organic puff and, in susceptible individuals (like my cousin) it wreaks havoc with delicate brain chemistry.

He's now in Africa somewhere trying to become a missionary. Jesus saved him. Apparently. Religion; now the skunk of the masses?

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Lenny Law | 20 October 2009 - 9:22pm

Who's been smoking what?

Come on everybody. This whole "GM skunk/organic puff" is a false and misleading distinction. Skunk is a strain of weed originally developed in the late '70s, probably in California, by breeding Cannabis indica and Cannabis sativa, long before GM was even a twinkle in the eye of those evil Monsanto folk. Since then, literally hundreds of Skunk-like hybrid strains have been created (using good old fashioned selective breeding), most of which you can easily find in your average Amsterdam coffeshop.

Now, if something is labelled "organic" it simply means it has been grown according to certain ecological principles (no pesticides etc). Whether the weed is potent or not has nothing to do with whether it is "organic". And GM weed? That's a stoned fantasy if ever I heard one.

And while there do seem to be stronger strains about these days, it's a moot point whether the average THC content of grass has increased over the years. It's a complicated subject, made murkier by prohibition. Wikipedia has a good article on this.

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Martin | 21 October 2009 - 1:41am

OK, so I used the term 'GM' as a shorthand

to mean selectively bred for countless generations. No one is suggesting that there is a vast undergound lab complex somewhere run by mad boggle eyed gene-splicing scientists hellbent on twisting the minds of the overindulged youth of the corrupt capitalist west..... well, probably not.

The fact remains that weed of old was much mellower stuff. The strong strains back then (through the 70's) were 'Thai Sticks', 'Durban Poison' and the like which cost a premium, if you could find any. I was never particularly fond of grass anyway, except when we grew our own once or twice to save money. I always preferred hash; far more predictable, easier to make into coffee or cakes, and easier to stash where any 'visitors' would not think to look.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 21 October 2009 - 8:18am

You are probably right VV ...

...although hash, of course, the concentrated resin extract, contains far higher concentrations of THC than any grass you might find.

I am just irritated by the media hysteria surrounding the so-called evils of 'Skunk'. It's the latest incarnation of 'reefer madness', fed by ignorance and mis-information. I was dismayed a few years ago when the Independent newspaper reversed it's pro-legalisation stance because of "Skunk". Presumably they were trying to boost lagging distribution figures, but they lost all credibility with me. Even Rosie Boycott came out and wrote some half-baked piece defending the position. Disappointing.

Even if grass is stronger today, most smokers know their own tolerance and adjust their intake accordingly. It's not rocket science.

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Martin | 21 October 2009 - 11:20am

Sorry, Martin. You're wrong. On both counts.

I call upon the great Ben Goldacre.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/mar/24/science.drugsandalco...

Which is about the relative strengths of cannabis varieties.

And

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/jul/28/drugs.drugsandalcohol

Which is about the mental health issues.

Cannabis IS dangerous. Smoke it if you wish but be aware of the risks.

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Lenny Law | 21 October 2009 - 9:28pm

Sorry, not with you

On which points exactly am I wrong? I refer you to the final two paragraphs from Ben Goldacre's first piece:

"There is exceptionally strong cannabis to be found in some parts of the UK market today: but there always has been. The UN Drug Control Programme has detailed vintage data for the UK online. In 1975 the LGC analysed 50 seized samples of herbal cannabis: 10 were from Thailand, with an average potency of 7.8%, the highest 17%. In 1975 they analysed 11 samples of seized resin, six from Morocco, average strength 9%, with a range from 4% to 16%.

To get their scare figure, the Independent compared the worst cannabis from the past with the best cannabis of today. But you could have cooked the books the same way 30 years ago: in 1975 the weakest herbal cannabis analysed was 0.2%; in 1978 the strongest was 12%. Oh my god: in just three years herbal cannabis has become 60 times stronger. This scare isn't new. In the US, in the mid 1980s, during Reagan's "war on drugs", it was claimed that cannabis was 14 times stronger than in 1970."

I think that both of the articles you highlight lend considerable support to my position. It was never my intention to gloss over the risks associated with Cannabis smoking. I was simply trying to put the media hysteria into it's proper context.

I accept that my assertion that hash always has higher THC content than grass is not true. I was on a high when I wrote that.

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Martin | 22 October 2009 - 4:37am

i was open minded about it all once

i've been in bands with guitarists off their heads on tomazepan, herion, methadone(not all at once mind)... drummers on acid... speedfreaks... i never let it get to me.

"I am just irritated by the media hysteria surrounding the so-called evils of 'Skunk'." could describe how i felt at one point... but now because of my job - i come into contact with people who are reduced to animals because of this crap they smoke... it makes all these young men paranoid schizophrenics, in the prime of their lives when they should be getting their wits about them, and forging ahead with all that "life" experience stuff.

there's so much more you could do with your life.
especially at a young age... if they do legalise drugs, it should have an age limit of at least 35, so that your old enough to handle the effects(good and bad).

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eightbaII | 21 October 2009 - 7:12pm

I am with Vulpes on T

Smoked from 15 to 47 - gave up 5 years ago, hardest thing I ever did but also the best by far. I am now on a high horse because my tolerance of tobacco smoke anywhere near me is zero. Pretty difficult as my dad, my brother and my 2 brother in laws all smoke. I enjoyed it but I enjoy not smoking much more and my cd collection has grown exponentially. Whilst on the drug subject anyone had any experience of magic mushrooms?

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Steve Turner | 20 October 2009 - 6:35pm

Well done mate.

Hardest thing I've ever forced myself to do too.

PS Mushrooms (Psilocybin) can be great fun, if taken responsibly, though I haven't done any for years now.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 20 October 2009 - 6:48pm

just once

I had friends who were big fans - I tried once but no apparent effect. I I was too cautious to have a handful for fear of finding myself in the wrong bit of Fantasia. Then I thought "these are not the drugs I am looking for."

I smoked from 15 to 24, and then stopped. Don't miss cigarettes at all. Well done on stopping! (EDIT -> well done both of you!)

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el hombre malo | 20 October 2009 - 6:56pm

Fags are great!

if I could teach myself how to smoke in my sleep, I would

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James Blast | 20 October 2009 - 7:07pm

Chuckles to self.

I do hope we have some American readers.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 21 October 2009 - 8:25am

I dabbled a bit

in hash* at college in the mid-90s, although alcohol was overwhelmingly my drug of choice. Only on a couple of occasions did I experience the proper mellow music-enhancing experience, although given that on every single occasion I ever indulged it was following copious amounts of alcohol in various forms that's hardly surprising.

A couple of years back, I went on a stag do to Amsterdam, as one does. Not being a smoker, I went for the cookie option. It actually had quite a profound effect on me, temporarily. It was a sense of calmness that I realise I lack at other times (hence the booze self-medication). We went to a square, and I remember a sense of just taking in my surroundings un-self-consciously. Predictably, I found myself at a McDonald's counter soon after.

For a 'glass half-full', anxiety-prone person such as myself, recreating that feeling could be a strong motivation. It's precisely for that reason that I haven't indulged since. I fear I'm exactly the sort of person who would become dependent. I know that, alcohol being a depressant, booze is something I should probably steer clear of, but that's something I am (very) familiar with and can 'control'. But then I would say that, wouldn't I?

I have always steered clear of stuff like coke, as again, anything that makes you feel that 'on top of the world' is bound to come with a corresponding low. Booze never makes me feel that fantastic, so the highs and lows are less extreme. I have to say though, the recent article by Frank Skinner and the Horizon programme 'Do I Drink Too Much?' are thought-provoking.

For now though, I'll probably carry on drinking. My goal is 'everything in moderation' but that is somewhat elusive at times...

*that's what we called it then. I'm well aware that it's probably ridiculously arcane terminology now but I'm frankly bored to tears with the whole nudge nudge, cockernee rhyming slang palaver

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DougieJ | 20 October 2009 - 11:24pm

I am 27

and the sum quantity of my illegal drug intake is literally a couple of puffs on a funny cigarette. This despite 3 years of uni house sharing with regular partakers.

Maybe I don't know what I was missing, but I honestly don't believe I missed anything at all.

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Nick | 21 October 2009 - 12:18am

Rumsfeld alert!

Dope is therefore a known unknown for you, and my advice would be to leave it like that. Especially as regards the fags*, though I don't think I've ever known anyone take up smoking as late in life as 27, so you're probably safe!

* I know they're not illegal, but they bloody well should be.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 21 October 2009 - 8:24am

"I honestly don't believe I missed anything at all"

Best continue to think that way :-)

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stimpy | 21 October 2009 - 9:03am

D and T

I inhaled as a student and into my 20s but just sort of lost interest, lost touch with mates who had connections etc. I have nothing against it and haven't (fanfare) "given it up", but am I likely to have another toot - dunno, pretty unlikely I'd say. I think somewhere I have a little bag of it that someone gave me for my 40th, 11 years ago...dunno where, not that bothered.

But as V V says, T is much worse. I gave up T in late June and doing well so far, but have a long way to go. I only smoked 2 or 3 a day and I have no physical cravings but there are so many moments and places where psychologically I know I'd love one - late evening, glass of red, after a shit day - a nice Golden Virginia rollie is about as close to heaven as you can get.

I'm not going there though!

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Twangothan | 21 October 2009 - 1:56pm

Psssst!

Have you tried this instead?

(surreptitiously shows Twang a glimpse of the bottle of Laphroaig he has secreted in the lining of his topcoat)

Bloody marvellous for those craving moments - get those smoky flavours the smoothest way possible. Keep up the good work old chum, scorn the evil weed!

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Vulpes Vulpes | 21 October 2009 - 6:17pm

Funnily enough

I was explaining to Mrs T only on Friday night that a large Talisker has health benefits in the tab avoidance area.

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Twangothan | 21 October 2009 - 6:49pm

“My friend wants to tell you a story...”

These days the only drugs I take are prescribed by a reputable NHS doctor. There are no interesting side effects. Only the grinding mundanity of having to take exactly same cocktail of pills again eight hours later in order to remain well.

The most bizarre drug-related experience of my life occurred in Varanasi, in the north of India. They say that if you die within the limits of the old city you will be liberated from the cycle of death and rebirth. I came very close to testing the truth of this claim.

Unlike other Indian cities where the dead are cremated on the outskirts, in Varanasi bodies are burned on wooden funeral pyres on the banks of the river Ganges, along the same stretch of water where people come to wash their clothes and bath.

It’s an intense place even by Indian standards. Buildings that are scarcely a few decades old, look as if they have been standing for hundreds of years. The waterfront is a bewildering maze of narrow alleyways that flood at certain times of year. Life unfolds about an inch away from your face. There is no respite from the unrelenting parade of bizarre imagery that assaults your senses. I remember watching a sacred cow launch a single-minded assault on a vegetable stall while two women beat it over the head with the balancing pans from the scales. On another occasion I encountered an old lady who was seemingly unaffected by the glaring fact that part of her skull was missing and her brains exposed. A westerner called ‘G_______’ would sit in restaurants proudly displaying his small collection of human bones, while gnawing on the charred flesh of bodies he had taken from the funeral pyres.

Bhang (a drug manufactured from the leaves of the cannabis plant) enjoys a pseudo legal status in the city due to its use in religious ceremonies. It is either chewed or enjoyed blended into a lassi (a yoghurt-based drink).

When my friend Heinz - a seasoned Indian traveller - heard that I would be visiting the country, he was very keen that I should visit Varanasi and try Bhang. Unfortunately he was somewhat vague about effects, which I assumed would be on par with a puff on a mild joint.

Upon my arrival at the railway station, I climbed into a Rickshaw and asked the young driver to take me to a particular hotel. About 15 minutes later we drew up outside a shop which he said belonged to his uncle. There followed an altercation which ended when I threw half the money we had agreed on into the seat of the buggy and set off on foot to find a hotel.

Later that evening I entered one of the cafes on the road that leads down to Dashashwamedh Ghat and ordered what was disingenuously referred to on the menu as a special lassi.

“How strong do you want it?” asked the man behind the counter.

“As strong as it gets.”

A few minutes later I was presented with a tall glass containing an opaque, dark green liquid with bits of vegetable matter suspended in it. Despite the off-putting appearance it was very sweet. I drank it quickly and then sat patiently on the bench seat waiting for it to take effect.

“Do you like Bhang?” said a man who had taken the seat next to me.

“I suppose it’s ok.”

“What are you going to do now?”

“I might go back to my hotel and get some rest.”

“Where is your hotel?”

I got up and left the cafe. It was too early to turn in, so I wandered around aimlessly. Half an hour later the bhang started to take effect. At first it felt like a tiny sun was pulsing with joy in the centre of my forehead. Then came a familiar feeling that I associated with stronger substances than cannabis: That rush of upwards momentum that keeps on building and getting more intense. It was at this moment I realised that I was going to trip.

By coincidence I had wandered onto the street where I had argued with the rickshaw driver earlier. I walked to the end and onto one of the lesser known burning ghats - a grey beach where a sparsely attended cremation lit up the darkness like a beacon.

Next to the funeral pyre there was a derelict building. I entered it and climbed a very narrow cement staircase to the first floor, then walked through a pair of rooms until I found myself standing in front of a glassless, ceiling to floor window that overlooked the conflagration taking place below.

I had probably only been standing there a few seconds when I heard a noise behind me. I turned around and found myself confronted by a group of teenage boys who had obviously followed me into the building. I recognised one of them as the rickshaw driver who I had argued with earlier in the day.

The boys began to take advantage of my addled state, gently manhandling me so that I was framed in the window, looking down onto the burning body; feeling the heat of it carried skyward on the updraft. I felt a hand on my shoulder and another on my back.

“Look.”

It suddenly occurred to me that they might be planning to push me onto the fire.

“I’m... I’m not... turning my back on you,” I slurred, manoeuvring myself so that I was facing the group with my back pressed against the concrete wall.

One of the boys took my hand.

“My friend wants to tell you a story.”

I don’t know whether it was paranoia or justified survival instinct. I pushed through the crowd and ran through the empty rooms. My legs were like jelly as I descended the narrow staircase. Out in the open air I ran for as long as I could through the crazy streets of Varanasi, rendered ever more disorientating by the escalating effects of the Bhang.

At some point I made it back to my hotel. In the communal toilet across the hall from my room I projectile vomited a horizontal stream of green puke at the wall.

Lying on the bed I was running a high temperature. I fished a scrap of paper out of my rucksack and attempted to scribble down what I assumed would be my last words. Nothing seemed appropriate and I kept crossing out what I had written. I calmed down when I saw the green vomit stains covering my jeans and rationalised that I had camouflaged myself from death.

It’s very hard to die when you’re 26.

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backwards7 | 1 November 2009 - 11:25am

yeah but

what's that got to do with Egg Friday?

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James Blast | 3 November 2009 - 6:58pm
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