Debating the CD
Forgive me if this has been done elsewhere. If it has, feel free to link me to the appropriate thread.
I was reading Archie's post about the lack of good singers on the cd, which in turn led to the suggestion that the two decent tracks were rather wishy-washy numbers by the respected artists.
This led me to thinking about the cd in general and a comment made by Mark Ellen on a previous podcast that the cd isn't free -as the cost of it is factored into the cover price of the magazine.
Well, frankly, I don't want it. I enjoy the magazine very much, but the cd just adds to the landfill in my case. I 'pod it and chuck it away - and I only 'pod it because I have to have it - not because I want any of the tracks. I usually find the cds mediocre when listened to in full.
Am I alone in this? I don't recall any threads about how great the cd from a particular month was - there's been loads about the mag, the podcast, but not the cd.
If I'm intrigued by an article I can go online to listen to music by the artist in question. The free - sorry- 'cover mounted' cd seems rather old fashioned too. Links from this site have led me to find lots of interesting stuff
Given the choice, I would prefer a cheaper mag with no cd.
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Hmmmm
Uncertain. I agree there are seldom more than 2 or 3 stand outs per disc, but dare say they are a different 2 or 3 with each of us. And, to stand out on the newsagents shelf, to attract the casual first time buyer, if the choice for a 34-5 music mag is between one witha cover disc and one without, usually the one with will get the purchase. Record Collector is probably the exception to that, with neither a disc,nor, often, nothing remotely connected to 2008 on the cover. (Same as Word/Slomo/Unshod then, reply the masses)
Keep it going, but the odd pick of the old music,rather than just the new or the newly re-released might be fun. Much as the cover discs on the competition can be equivalently pick'n'mix (or is that pick'n'miss), the concept themes they have can be quite interesting.
Personally I could lose the CD...
and I'd also like to see less of the magazine given over to music.
Don't agree with that
Not bothered about the CD, but I think the balance between music and everything else is perfect. No other magazine covers music so well, I'd hate to lose a single music-related sentence...
Agree with you Chimney
The balance to me is just about right. Enough music to keep me drawn in and anything else is a pleasant extra diversion.
The Cd's wouldn't ever be regarded as top noch but...you always find one or two tracks that may warrent a checking out. Over the last few years I've come across enough to make it worth my while anyway.
And if the CD adds revenue to the coffers, good IMHO as I want this product to stay on the shelf.
yeah
and less words as well.
?
Or more?
Much as I can see how the telly/film/book sections of this blog run and run, are we not, in the main music obsessive/compulsives?
Actually,the mix is just about right, even if I know nothing about american cult tv shows like the Wire. One day I may explore, but my life is currently too full to have telly too, Corrie notwithstanding.....
I can take or leave
the cover disc - I've only just got round to listening to a years worth on a long car journey and they work for me as an alternative to radio. But I don't begrudge them being there - and don't begrudge paying for them.
In a market where everyone has a cover mount CD it's pretty obvious that they have a place. The idea behind them is good as well - 'Hey, listen to this! It's great!'. Although I have to admit that some of the Mojo covermounts have been absolute crackers, in particular the 'Heavy Nuggets' heavy rock one they did a few months back.
Leave it
It's all perfect. It's like arguing the difference between completely amazing and totally fabulous
Sooner or later
I will be cured of my collecting/hoarding addiction. I will rid my attic of old copies of Q & Mojo. My drawers will stop overflowing with old CDs given away with music magazines.
Until then I will gratefully receive what The Word has to offer but would wish for more variety; oldies but goodies, comedy, spoken word, Prog (no chance - Ed.)
Part of my cure is to pass on my old copies of The Word to friends to spread, er, the word. I should do the same with the CDs I have tired of. But not just yet please.
I like it
all pretty much as is. CD doesn't always do it for me and I don't always listen to it. But I have found some really interesting stuff via the cd. I also suspect its not that huge a part of the cover price. So leave it as is.
The balance of the mag is fine with me. I tend to read it in bits nowadays (we have 6 month old twins which, with work, make life pretty full). I often leave some articles to the end if I don't have much interest in the subject only to find they the most interesting one in that edition. The reviews, I always leave until the end apart from any that relate to albums I have bought.
This edition I particularly like the Randy Newman interview - don't own any of his stuff but may well investigate the new CD.
I'm really looking forward to the new....
....Randy Newman CD. For the last 20 years or so he's devoted his skills to film scores. Nothing wrong with that, but I like him much better when he's full of anger/satire/irony.
If you don't have anything of his already, could I be so bold as to make a recommendation or two?
He has two *best of* compilations. "Lonely At The Top" is his oldest one and is a fine representation of his work. "Randy Newman Songbook Vol 1" came out around 2003. It has most of the songs on the other compilation, but this time all the songs are stripped back to bare piano and vocal. Fantastic if you like that stuff!!
"Good Old Boys"(remastered with bonus disc)is a superb concept album about the southern US states.
All can be picked up for smarties on Amazon.
I will indeed have a dabble
Here's hoping my slightly jaundiced through Toy Story's 1 & 2 view of the man is incorrect.
Ta for the recommendations.
Agree
I agree with Bigstevie "Lonely At The Top" is a great introduction to his music.
Even if you don't buy it first,
bag a listen to, or steal a copy of, "Good Old Boys".
It's the ultimate antidote to any lingering doubts about American's, irony and ignorance, in all sorts of ways. It'll cheer you up when you hear it, and have you chuckling to yourself whenever you see or hear any lazy stereotyping of the American South. Brilliant, brilliant album.
I'm very fond...
...of his 'Sail Away' album, but 'Lonely At The Top' is a fantastic best-of introduction, yeah. Saw an old OGWT clip of him doing 'God's Song' and thought he was fantastic so eventually got some of the albums.
The content seems fairly balanced in Word to me, based on my flicks through it a nearby library. Can't comment on the CDs.
Bad Love
I agree with both Lonely at the Top and Good Old Boys being great introductions to Randy Newman , but his last two, Land of Dreams and Bad Love were magnificent, in particular Bad Love. I , too , cannot wait to get the new one. We have waited too long.
Rebel against Gracenotes!
I hate the way Gracenotes fills out the artist name with the band name. It should instead be listed as Various Artists. If you rip the music as iTunes/Gracenotes wants you will have a very messy music folder loaded with a long list of folders with only one song in it. I take a good four or so minutes to copy and paste the band name over onto the track title and then change the artist name over to Various Artists. This is logical, yes? Does anyone else do as I do? Is there any benefit to doing it the Gracenotes way?
iTunes at least has a way to group tracks from compilations together, but what about those with older, different software that doesn't have this feature?
Blimey!
That's a different OCD take even than mine: I had never thought as filing them specifically as Word collectives. I alter the album from Word etc to its source, and try to apply an alternative genre to unclassifiable. And delete the ones I don't like.
Wot?
Stop speaking in foreign languages. Some of us have still not got used to these new-fangled ceedees!
Switch to MediaMonkey
and it allows you to have Artist and Album Artist. So album artist would be various and the artist would be the band. Could never find this in itunes and its way of managing compilations was always clunky.
iTunes does as you describe
but it still makes your files into a mess of folders containing one song. I want all 20 songs from a compilation CD to be in the one folder on my computer. I do this easily by doing as I described before ripping them. It's mildly time consuming but worth it in the end. I was just wondering if others did this?
Am pretty certain MediaMonkey
fixes this - you can set up rules for it to file against. Will have a look tonight.
I switched to MM because itunes is so basic in how it files and groups songs.
There is a fix in iTunes...
...which when I Pod the CD usually happens semi-automatically. The key is that iTunes registers the CD as a compilation. If you highlight the tracks on iTunes and then do "Get info" there is an "Artist" field and an "Album Artist" field. What you need to do is ensure that "Album Artist" has "Various Artists" in it and then look at the bottom left of the pop-up box and tick "Compilation: Yes"
That way iTunes treats the tracks as an album by "Various Artists" for cover flow and listing puropses and files it under the "Compilations" list rather than the "Artists" listing - that way you don't get 14 one track albums.
Other software... well, each will have its own way of organising its library but most of the free players are including iTunes-alike functionality so most/many/some should have similar fixes.
Last week
I unmarked my entire iTunes library of compilation status. Even if it's telling the truth, I get very annoyed if, for example, I go to the folder supposedly containing all the Jerry Butler songs I possess, except for He Will Break Your Heart, just because it's on the The Sound Of The City: Chicago compilation.
Speaking personally
I would hate to lose the cover CD. And although technically it could easily be replaced by a download link to MP3s there is, for me at least, a sense of it being more intrinsically worth listening to when available on CD - particularly when coupled with an attractive sleeve and not just stuck to the magazine or placed in an anonymous bag. In other words its perceived value.
As many others have already said, it has introduced me to music I would probably otherwise never have heard and although not all of it is to my taste, a surprisingly large amount is.
And whilst the artists are taken from all over the world, there is nonetheless a UK-centric perspective (probably unavoidable) that particularly appeals to somebody like myself who lives abroad.
further thoughts...
I find I agree with Patrick - I'd like more articles on other subjects too - so maybe it's those of us who'd like less music who can do without the cd.
If I remember rightly early issues of the Word were marketed as more than (just)another music magazine. Maybe I just want The Word to be something else.
Early issues also had no cd. Did the addition of the cd lead to increased sales? If so - fair enough, keep them coming, I guess -I just don't like throwing stuff away that I didn't want in the first place - seems like a modern malaise to me.
I'd be interested to know, too, how much of the cover price is the cost of the cd. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying The Word costs too much, nor do I resent getting the cd, I'd just rather not bother with it.
From all the cds I have received - which is most of them, only one track led me to purchase music by that artist. I've given up buying cds altogether and am wondering how best to get rid of the thousand or so discs I have. Extra discs just add to the problem.
1000 or so.....
What've you got? I'm sure the Irregulars could mange to take a few off your hands.
Put up a list. Hell, I won't even charge you for taking them off you.......
Lose the Cd
I usually listen to it once and then bin it. I'm sure it's had some great stuff on it but it's also had some pretty terrible stuff as well. I discover a lot more bands through the articles in the magazine itself.
I would prefer a cheaper cover price and perhaps an MP3 blog style bit on the Word website where you can download either individual songs or the whole Cd's worth in one click.
But what do I know?
Keep the CD, but fill it with. . .
30-second snippets of all the records reviewed or featured that month. Wouldn't it be great listen to bits of what Ry Cooder's been up to recently while reading the interview with the bloke himself talking it up?
We do it here on the website all the time by posting clips of what we're arguing the toss about. Can't the magazine do something similar?
I preferred the unabridged, Archie.
Even tho' I love Ryland, and havve just got his solo eponymous from the local library, I dare say there are many for whom it would grate to listen while they read about him!
No no no no no!!!!!
If there's one thing I HATE it's snippet samplers. There's a way to guarantee pretty much everyone hates the CD!
While there may be only 10 or 20% of the tracks on the CD which float my personal boat any month it's great to have an eclectic range of music to sample in full track form. If I love a track and want to go on to buy the album, brilliant. If I listen to a song and hate it... well that's a resuly inits own way - I know that I probably don't have to spend time researching that band any more. If i kinda like it... well, there's another random track/style on my iPod which might pop up once ever 9000 tracks on a shuffle...
Of course, talking economics of the magazine you need to remember what drives the market. Sure the cover price factors in the CD but, as others have said, it's not going to be that significant a proportion of cost. No, a non-CD copy of Word isn't going to be retailing for £1.50 or £2.00 no matter how much we'd like it to. Inevitably, ht emarket is driven by casual trade - the huge majority of magazine buyers - and if a generally focused music mag does not have a cover CD in a market where CDs are considered de rigueur and a necessity then it is immediately at a competitive disadvantage when priced in the ball park of the opposition.
FRoots can afford not to have a CD because it sells to a core niche market, similarly Maverick, similarly Classic Rock, similarly Kerrang... Word is operating in a different and very competitive market sector...
Viva la CDee-ah (or Dave [Hepworth] and all his friends)... sorry couldn't resist the pun once I'd started typing "Viva"... it always strikes me as having a more interesting and desirable selection of tracks than most of the copetition which seem to draw from the "not very well recorded obscure live recording by a not that well know soul/blues/reggae/punk [delete as applicable] act" all too often. At least the Word CD has currently relevant material and, where older (like th eNick Lowe track a few months back) it's based on a major reissue.
Oh yes, and the cover artwork (and packaging) is simply beautiful - best of the cover CDs by several country miles!!!
Describes the Uncut CD down to a tee. Awful CDs. Just awful.
"not very well recorded obscure live recording by a not that well know soul/blues/reggae/punk [delete as applicable] act"
I Like the CD's
Sure they can be a bit hit and miss but I've bought loads of music after hearing of artists/bands for the first time on them.
If you could feature more world, jazz and reggae music on there they would be even better in my opinion.
I only
like the CD when it has stuff on it I like, so more stuff on the CD I like, please...
Keep The Cd! Keep The Cd!
...I always find something of interest on these discs.
For the love of God don't stop giving them with the magazine!
I would pay for the magazine
if it came free with the cd.
Does this mean we could charge you £9.99 for it?
Mind you, Tesco's would then do it as a £6.99 loss-leader.
Read my post.
Free cd, with a free magazine I would buy were it free.
But, in principle, yes.
Practice? Less sure.
Harsh economic lesson.
Have read it
and still don't understand. Why would you buy it if it was free? I don't think you can. I off to get me a latte....
I would buy it for the price indicated.
oh, never mind. Make mine a skinny.
Bring back...
...the flexidisc
or Word whoopee cushions?
maybe an attractive tote bag, or a sheet of Smash Hits style stickers - just imagine the hunky John Martyn on whatever the equivalent of your old school satchel is today, or a Foghat logo temporary tattoo...
Don't drop the CD!
Registered just for this...
No decent radio here and never have time for internet listening, so the CDs and the mag are my lifeline to new music coming from over there and elsewhere. I recently coughed up a whopping amount for a three year overseas subscription, showing great faith in your ability to survive and stay good but I’d have to rethink if the CD disappeared. And please, no themed CDs, ‘Roots of the flipping stones, Dylan etc. One of the main reasons I dropped the competition.
True, rarely more than 2 or 3 decent tracks (for my taste) but that’s a decent strike rate.
Over the years, thanks to songs on the CD, off the top of my head, I’ve bought entire backlists of Barry Adamson, Lambchop, Lloyd Cole, Kirsty Maccoll, Pernice Brothers. Orchestra Baobab, Ethiopiques, Camera Obscura, Cinematic Orchestra, Amadou & Mariam, Tinariwen, plus who knows how many other stand alones – Cats on Fire, Apples, Herbaliser, Ticklah, Andy Palacio, among the recent ones. Minimum 100 albums I reckon. The vast majority of which I wouldn’t have bought otherwise.
Best of all they’ve opened my ears to the fact that music doesn’t have to be four white blokes playing guitar bass and drums. Hence the fact I’ve spent the last year wallowing in the pleasure of discovering, for want of a better word, world music.
For that, thanks.
So, please keep them. Just a bit more variety maybe, less generic indie….
Having said all that, I did prefer the mag when it was ‘more than a music magazine’ Given the success of blogs here about books and film, I’m probably not the only one…
Hola Madrid!!!
welcome aboard.......I was thinking along much the same lines as you regarding subsequent purchases based on the "free" CD tracks. Am stuck in the office at the moment and unable to check, but a fair few on your list are on mine as well.
I, too, am spending time listening to an increasing amount of "world" music, with a couple of observations:
1. Isn't the term "world" music just a teensy weensy bit patronising?
2. Just because something is "world" doesn't make it any good.
Buenos días peterb y gracias...
1. Very true. My use of the term is because I'm still at a relatively early stage in my explorations and so I really am picking and choosing from the whole world. Narrowing it down slowly and Afrobeat and Highlife are the specific genres which are hitting the spot right now.
2. Dead right.
I hope you didn't
think I was suggesting you specifically were being patronising in using the phrase, Madrid. It was just a though that came to me as I read your initial posting. having said that, I haven't a clue what sort of collective description you would use as an alternative and there are far too many genres anyway to introduce hundreds more!
Bought the Ethiopiques best of a week or two ago which is interesting, and listening to some Spanish stuff at the moment in advance of hitting the Iberian peninsular in a week or two's time on my jollies!
Don't think I'm ignoring you
I'm working on it, honest.
It's ok Archie
I believe you. I'm sure you won't let a fellow Wordie down...
Pata Negra
Blues De La Frontera. Buy it.
Seconded. Then pretend. . .
Raimundo Amador never recorded anything else.
Harsh.
But fair.
I agree completely
with everything you've said Madrid, except the bit about 'generic indie'. My impression was there was very little. Would be interesting to know what the extra cost per issue is for the CD.
Old
...this discussion is a bit old - we've had it several times before - but i repeat I really like the CD even when there are tracks I don't particularly like - at least I've heard them. Mostly I like it and sometimes there are tracks i really love. I like hearing things away from my normal paradigm. Also I pod it and hand it on to my impoverished brother in law who also gets much pleasure from it. So I say keep the CD.
which throws up a side issue
is there a way of checking older threads short of wading through 'em all? I've been here most days since I registered back in May and haven't seen this discussed - though I thought it might have been done earlier - hence the first line of my post.
If you've been here longer and remember it - sure it seems old. To Madrid who registered specifically to contribute to the thread then it's new.
Maybe we could have a 'do some old' window to the right which links to hoary old blog threads?
Yes
It was yonks ago and having just had a quick search i can't find it even though I know it's there! Mind you, all things being equal I'd rather people post a subject that has been done before - after all it's about spontaneous discussion - rather than not post just in case - that way lies stagnation. I don't have to read or post if I think the subject has been dealt with. I have to confess to being a bit lazy in the old metadata department so searching probably wouldn't help anyway. So post away!
Found it!
Here it is...
http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/quality-not-quantity
Worryingly there are several posts from me in that thread that I have no recollection of actually posting. Who am I?
yr right
no idea how I missed that thread - bizarrely it ends (at the mo)with someone praising Pluto by Claire and the Reasons - which is the only artist who's cd I shelled out for after hearing it on Now Hear This - though I had heard it on Radcliffe and Maconie a couple of times as well. Last cd I bought too.
The search field
works quite well. And allows you to tap into the rich vein of insightful tosh we all seem to enjoy posting.
heh heh - fair enough
but try typing cd into it :-)
Do many people post in old threads? Or are they pretty much dead once they shuffle off the 'hot topics - last 4 weeks' list?
Old threads
They die and never come back.
Search "audiophile" for some interesting blogs.
Never come back?
They always come back, and then someone will always post a link to the earlier diametrically opposed view previously put up by the same correspondent.
I agree with Twangers. Who is he?
I think most people. . .
bookmark their own "Track" page so they can keep up with all the threads they've participated in. That way, if someone says something six months later it's automatically bumped up to the top of the list for you to check out.
(If you don't know what I'm talking about, just click on your own name in red, then click the Track tab and vwallah.)
Hmm. Now there's another task for Fraser when he gets back from downtown Damascus - a brief New Poster's Guide (not just the FAQ) with tips and tricks about how to get the most out of the site with the least bother.
A job for Fraser
On the Track Tab you see there are new posts on a thread you've participated in. You click on N new posts and you go to the first of the new. If it's a short thread its quite easy to find No2, but on some of these longer ones its a right pain.
Is there any way Fraser, that you could set up a button for "Find Next New" or some other facility that makes this search easier?
Blimey!
Never knew about the search thingy. Just typed in Barry Manilow and it came up with 2 pages of links.
I AM going to be busy tonight! Nurse...
Careful
cos he writes the songs.
Word CD
John Martyn issue - half the CD was interesting.
George Harrison issue - 13 of 14 tracks were interesting (the Celtic style Waterboys associated track was rubbish). An amazing hit-rate for a crappy free CD. The previous best free CD was a collection of Beatles covers given with Uncut magazine (about half the disc was interesting).
Well I like it
As it's about the only way I ever get to hear music by new artists.
I download it, then when making CDs for the car pick tracks at random. Sometimes they're good, sometimes not, but I've discovered tons of great songs - The Concretes, Carbon/Silicon and Fountains Of Wayne to name but three - that have caused me (in some cases) to explore their oeuvre further.
I chuck it away once I've downloaded it though, otherwise I'd have a houseful of freebie CDs.
Recycle
There will be questions in parliament otherwise...
Give them away to those you love, use them as coasters, hang then up outside to scare away the birds from your vegetable patch.
Any other ideas for unwanted Word CDs?
Freecycle
Freecycle them. Freecycle everything you don't want. I am horrified by the useful stuff people chuck away when other people could use it. It is genuinely one of the best things I've discovered for ages.
www.freecycle.org
Erm
if you don't have the cd then you cannot evidence your right to having the song on your hard drive/ipod. And if you give it away, you are giving away your right. Surely.
Don't
get another thread started on Fair Use/Digital Rights. Please.
Freecycle
Can I also big up Freecycling?
I know it's bugger all to do with Word, but I agree with Twangothan that it's fantastic and I'm quite evangelical about it.
I think I've given and taken in roughly equal measure, and it's a positive community thing to take part in too.
My wife
My wife signed us up for Freecycle recently and all that seemed to happen was that our in-box was swamped with emails from blokes offering us Singer Sewing machines ("in good condition, but key missing so can't be opened"), bicycles ("needs cleaning") and tumble dryers ("old model"). Should she have unchecked a box somewhere on the site to prevent the flood of emails...?
It's only a Yahoo Group
You can sign up for digests or read on web if you prefer, but then you tend to miss out on the good stuff by being too slow to respond.
Giver ot taker?
I exclusively use Freecycle to give stuff away so I have "No email" in my group settings. The last thing I need it other people's junk - I have enough of my own!
Thanks
Maybe we'll try again...
My 2p 'bout the Word CD
I'm happy for free CDs to be a hit and miss affair. To expect to fall in love with any more than 30% is unreasonable, given the variety of music in the world and my less-than-all-encompassing taste. Having said that, it's a darn sight better than Mojo and Uncut's 'tribute' Cds, hopefully a thing of the past.
My one gripe is the tacky stuff used to attachy the CD to the magazine('snotties' as I believe they're known in the printing world) which , careful as I can be, either takes the surface off the mag or the CD card. Is there any other alternative?
Snot on mine
Cos I get my subscription copy lovingly packaged by exotic virgins but without the use of glue, usually with a 'personal' letter from ME, DH or such inside and a limited edition cover different from what is in the shops.
I like the themed CDs but will follow the wishes of the massive majority as long as we can have more Christmas tracks on the December freebie.
Agree
The subscription, which is value on many levels, would be fantastic enough just for the lack of snot on the front cover.
Got my 1st subscription copy...
.. this month.
One minor gripe was the cd cover was the a standard "pocket" type as opposed to the innovative slide-type cover you get with issue in the newsagents (along with an introduction from DH).
But as I usually just rip the tracks I want and discard the cd, after a while, its no big deal.
Hey, I love the CDs
generally I loooove a few tracks, rather like a couple more, and not fussed / actively dislike the rest. end result? I've discovered some new music, and my credit card gets a little dented as I usually buy something every month on the back of the word cd.
(and the word reviews. and this forum. damn it, you people are costing me money)
I like the CDs - you can
I like the CDs - you can read a hundred articles about an artist or band, but hearing an actual track tells you so much more. I've stumbled across so much wonderful stuff that I wouldn't have found otherwise thanks to them.
Not too keen on the cardboard sleeve, I still prefer the old jewel cases, but at least Word is doing its bit to help save the planet...
Really good one...
...this month, I thought, and I'd miss it if it were to go.
All of the above really...
As soon as it arrives it goes on the iPod, then over the next few weeks tracks get whittled down & deleted, and I invariably get left with 2 or 3 stayers, of which one may prompt a purchase, or at least further investigation.
I fundamentally look forward to the CD, though it's definitely a "nice-to-have" rather than "must-have"... I couldn't live without the podcast though!
Can I just say...
...that I would really miss the CD if it were dropped.
nooo!
the only reason for me to buy the magazine is the cd! actually i could loose the paper!
Keep the cd!
I like the cd and have bought many albums after hearing the artists on the compilations. Keep it!
By the way; I enjoyed your article on file sharing. Muxtape is brilliant, which means that it should be shut down anytime soon.
Here's my first crack at an online cassette:
http://thismonthsfaves.muxtape.com/
keep the CD
Like a lot of people I rip it straight to the i-pod, and then listen later. If it were a free download, funnily enough, I don't think I would rip it. Environmentally sound, but somehow less value for the reader.
I'd like to see occassional themes or variations - but full songs please. Maybe once a year a DVD? Perhaps DH could carry out his cruscade to get us all watching The Wire with a free episode?
I too would like more stuff that is not music, but I understand the newstand reality is it is better to be clearly defined rather than in a niche of your owne.
Keep up the good work.
dust gatherers
As a subscriber, I'm not in a position to say what motivates the casual punter in WH Smiths, but I'd happily take a small cut in price instead of having a pile of unplayed Word CDs that eventually get passed to the charity shop.
Surely they are an anachronism in these days of MP3 blogs and DAB/internet radio? A few minutes online can lead, literally, to a world of musical recommendations. Makes 20 odd selections per month on a CD look a bit dated.
As a fully paid up, podcast-listening, website-reading, magazine-buying member of the Word fraternity, I'm not about to abandon ship, but a couple of suggestions:
1. use the (excellent) website even more, with mp3s relating to the month's reviews
2. offer a cheaper CD-free subscription
Thanks for this.
This is exactly what I was about to write. I've not ripped any cd in months and I prefer to get hold of a whole album if I'm going to try a new artist rather than a single track. I'd happilly go for a cheaper CD-free subscription + it would do a tiny bit of good for the environment.
Having listened to the arguments
Well done to both sides but the CD stays. However the ersatz Japanese pron artwork is becoming a tad tiresome - surely a new theme is imminent?
Love the Cd!!! Don't f*ck with it!!
Of course its not all going to be to my taste,but the fact that it introduces me to artists I have never heard of or listened to before is the point for me. The last year's CD output has led to me buying and loving among many others Rilo Kiley, The Decemberists, The Silver Seas, Shelby Lynn,El Perro Del Mar, Joan as Policewoman etc etc who i prob would not have purchased without the introductory exposure via "Now Hear This!"
More CD's, More Music writing...in fact go weekly you lazy sods :-) and whilst you are at it bung the price up and ditch the penny pinching whingers who buy it and they can access this free website whilst tuning into Pandora Radio!
Recycling
The early subscriber only Word cds were dreadful but there's usually a couple of things I want to hear on the cover mounts (and a couple that I already have and like, making a reasonable average). I give it one play (skipping when I dislike something) then mp3 what I want and give the cd away to a mate who appreciates it and has bought a few cds as a result. So that's useful recycling.
I like that the Word covers are cardboard. The Uncut ones take up more space and come cracked more often than not. I've got no cd space left unless I banish more to the attic and have several uncut cds still in their shrinkwrap. The Mojo ones, which used to be bad, have got a little better than Uncut, which used to be ace. Suspect I'd pay more for a mag without a covermount...
Come again?
I don't remember those. Mind you, I am getting on.
I believe
the subscriber only cd's were a Q wheeze about 4 - 5 years ago. Before they thought it was smart to print 8 different covers to try and make you buy the same mag 8 times.
I think Slomo also tried that one for a while.....
...but it began before my subscription, but fizzled out soon after, as did my subscription.
The cd
I'm a partner in a small (but perfectly formed) so called indie label and there are a number of our artists (and therefore us as a label) who have done pretty well after featuring on such CDs. One band in particular owe their entire career (well almost) to the inclusion of one of their songs on a covermount and even though it must have been close on ten years ago the amount of people who still meet them after gigs with the line " I heard you first on ......".
So.... keep the cds. Even if it's for my own selfish reasons!
Thinking about cover-mount
Thinking about cover-mount CDs reminds me that tomorrow is "comic day" for my two boys (6 and 5) and the fact that they won't even entertain the idea of buying a comic - no matter how suited to their tastes - if there isn't some kind of plastic tat attached on a cover-mount. It strikes me that there's a sort of cover-mount inflation going on here, not only in comics (when I were a nipper, yadda yadda...) but also in music mags, practically none of which dare to sell themselves on their editorial contents.
I have bought Word from the outset but I'd almost certainly buy it if they disappeared. I've discovered a lot of music through the CDs - Tinariwen, Fleet Foxes, Pearlfishers to think of three - although there's an over-reliance on slightly country-sounding singer/songwriters who are - how can I put this - pretty bloody dull.
Anyway, how much would a complete set of Word CDs fetch on eBay, I wonder?
Big Mac
Mmmm. Never thought of it like that. The Word is the McKiddies meal and the CD is the free plastic toy that comes with it. Now in the USA the early McDonald's toys have become collector's items.
Keep it up chaps, bung on a few unreleased rarities and these future antiques will be my pension in 15 years time.
"over-reliance on slightly country-sounding singer/songwriters"
Agreed - both the CDs and mag itself have a bias towards "Americana" I could live without... glad I'm not the only one who thinks so!
Ditto
Where's the new generation version of The Baron Knights when you need them?
Double ditto
I have discovered some good stuff on the CDs, but there always seems to be an awful lot of dull singer-songwritery. I could live without them, but I'm a subscriber so they don't influence my purchasing decision one way or another.
I have bought Mojo or Uncut on the strength of the CD on offer in the past. My subsequent disappointment with the CD and the magazine on every single occasion means that I don't buy them anymore.
Treble ditto...
...I really can't stand that so-called 'Americana'/'alt-country' stuff either. I used to listen to Bob Harris' show and it simply bores me to tears- David Hepworth had a good rant against alt-country on his website and commented that he 'loathed' it on a recent podcast. Glad to see it's not only me!! It's like the old country-rock sound of the 60s/70s with the tunes removed.
Cover CD
I have discovered many new gems by listening to the cover CDs, but as several others have said it is a hit and miss affair. I don't know if I was in a bad mood or something, but this month's CD was pretty disappointing.
From an environmental point of view, I'd prefer to download new songs instead of having the CDs. My house is so full of CDs anyway, I don't know where to put them all. Looking up at my shelf, I can see a CD from Uncut (March 2007) that is still in its cellophane wrapper (I agree that their CDs are mainly pretty dire), which proves that it is what's in the magazine rather than the CD itself that sells it to me.
I also think that these days there are so many other ways of discovering new music (TV, internet radio, BBC6, etc, etc) and that the CD itself is a devalued commodity. Overall I don't think that a CD on the cover is really necessary. I've noticed that Q has stopped putting a CD on the cover each month.
If the money saved by not having a CD could be used to bring an even more diverse and interesting range of interviews and articles to the pages of the magazine, The Word would guarantee readership just by being even better than it is now!
It's a keeper
Personally I love the CD, don't like all of it but I look forward to getting it to find out which bits I like. I bought both Fleet Foxes and the Felice Brothers albums last month after hearing the cd.
I also like the extra effort put in (seemingly) to get hold of a particular track such as It's A Big Country or Down there in the Hole.
The Best Of CD from last year is still on my Ipod
I really hope it stays
Keep The CD!
Definately. Like a lot of people, I seldom really like more than half of the tracks, but, probably about once per CD, it leads me to a new band that I fall in love with. My Morning Jacket, Arcade Fire, Sufjan Stevens, The National, Decemberists, Broken Family Band, and so many more - all largely thanks to the Word CD.
And it's always good to hear from bands you read about in Word or elswhere - even if I don't enjoy it that much, it's good to be able to form my opinion based on the music as well.
All the songs from all the CDs go on to my Itunes, and, initially, my ipod. As I listen to the songs, I gradually get rid of the ones I'm not so keen on from my ipod, but they remain on itunes.
Get Personal
One of the strengths of The Word is the way it plugs into our fascination with the endless nuances of personal choice - "My Top 3 Dylan tracks/Sci-fi movies/Breakfast cereals etc etc are better than yours". Nobody does it smarter than you guys.
But the thing about the CD is that, as a selection, it's got a bit dull: its contrived "unpredictability" (the product of what's on offer; office consensus; Hepworth's tyranny - who knows?)has become, well, predictable in its general composition.
Keep the CD - but from month to month I'd like to have Mark Ellen's CD, or Jude Rogers' CD,Andrew Harrison's CD, Caitlin Moran's CD, Andy Gill's CD, or even better, Nick Lowe's CD, Jonny Greenwood's CD, Bill Bailey's CD... why not?
Give the guest compiler a long list of what's available, get them to make their personal Word CD selection and explain their choices. You get something really distinctive each month, extra content for the mag and something to spark off more online Good Taste/Bad Taste debate.
Give it a go.
What a good idea!
Or guest musicians musical choices! Not the Slomo/Unshod staples of music that "inspired" The Rolling Stones/U2/Mungo Jerry etc etc, but more the personal picklist, where available or accessible for the format. And not the obvious big hitters, but the cult favourites, Robyn Hitchcock, Andy Partridge, Karl Wallinger, Ian McNabb, people who are known to like their music. It could go with the interview therwith.
(Soz, realised your last sentence begs for the same)
I like the CD
I seem to buy about 2 or 3 whole albums on the basis of what i hear more or less every month (a lot of the artists seem to be on eMusic, which suits me fine), although the hit-rate has dropped a bit in the past 3 months or so.
it is rare that i hate a track, sometimes it takes a few listens to realise i like something - the clare & the reasons track being a good example - i ended up buying that album.
Long drive before the hard drive
I have a long commute by car through the Aberdeenshire countryside and find it a good time to listen to the CD. It's about the only chance I get to listen to new stuff. Some months are much better than others but I suppose the CD can only reflect what's out there and I'm not adverse to the odd reissue featuring either. Must say how impressed I am that it's usually the best tracks that find their way onto the CD and, as such, they are not always representative of the whole album. All in all a good thing and I would miss it even if I curse some months when I just have to go out and buy an album (or two or three).
As for the magazine, I'm happy to have a mix of culture but I'd hate to lose too much space to, say, films but I'm open to ideas. Some time time ago Uncut reduced its' movie content in favour of more music (and I must add that their recent "George Harrison" CD was worth far more than the magazine!).
I find the CD a great source
I find the CD a great source of new music. I have brought albums by Beth Rowley, The Flight of the Concords and Isobel Campbell/Mark Langan" as a result of the sample CD. I got the magazine subscription as a result of a TESCO points/subscriptiom deal but I would happily pay a £5 a month just to get the CD and magazine.
Open letter
To the CD compiler:
Sorry. Just listened to the August CD for the first time. Been a little busy. Could be your best one yet. Thanks.
Sagged a little in the middle but picked up the bouncy theme, perfect for a rare sunny day. I won't wait as long next month. Promise.
Satisfied of Bolton, Lancashire
Me too...
... after road-testing them in my car for the last two weeks, I ended up ripping TEN of the tracks onto my CREATIVE VISION:M.
Good strike rate.
Thanks "The WORD".
Creative?!
Wow, someone else who didn't submit to the tyranny of the ipod!
I like the CDs, even when it takes me months to get around to listening to one. I just like their existence. I don't download and all this more futuristic than thou nonsense leaves me a bit cold.
Luddites of the world, unite and fail to take over because we don't have the technology.
Creative Vision:M-owning Badger
Me too!!
No way I'd have an iPod. Nothing wrong with them I suppose, but the whole iTunes/DRM stuff put me off from the beginning.
We have 3 Creative mp3 players in our house....just little ones though. I'd love something bigger but I need about 80Gg as I have 65Gb or so on my hard drive. I'm sure Creative'll make a bigger one soon.
I generally don't download either these days...that's to say I don't *pay* for downloads(iTunes/eMusic/Napster)but there's tons of stuff available free from artists websites that isn't available otherwise, so don't miss out!
I did pay a fiver or so to download "Loose Change" by Steve Forbert.......no other way of getting it.(legally)
Creative are not making hard drive players anymore
Give up the wait as nothing's going to turn up. Creative no longer make hard drive MP3 players. The Vision: M was replaced with the flash memory Creative Zen. Apple is the only company I know that makes hard drive players, their iPod Classic has no competition so it's the only option.
I had a 20Gb Creative Zen Touch for three years. I had to get a larger hard drive so I sat around for over six months waiting for Creative. Nothing happened so I took the plunge and bought a 160Gb iPod Classic. A great machine. Gapless playback, make it not play certain unwanted songs on shuffle, quiet tracks can be increased in volume everytime they play by moving a slider over to the right etc. Treat the machine like a tantrum throwing princess (ie. be careful and don't make awkward demands on its user interface) and it won't crash on you.
Why are you holding out against Apple? The reason why it's so popular is because it works. It's a good machine. Also the sound quality is fine, ignore the ranting nutters on the internet with their crap about bad sound.
Apple
For me, it's mainly because I had a Creative bought for me to start with, which was really good, so I decided to stick with them. Apple dominate the market, and if you have a big, dominant player in the market, and people go on about them all the time, that kinda turns me off them a bit, and I want to back the underdog, so to speak, as long as there's no quality issue. I thought Creative were coming out with bigger new players, but if they're not then I'll have to move to Apple, I guess!
I'm in the same spot
I have a 40gb ipod and 50gb+ of files but have Windows machines and iTunes is a pain. Would prefer to have a windows orientated player but I want 160gb storage. Am holding off but not for long I suspect.
Have looked at the Zune but it only goes up to 60gb.
Holding out just for the sake of holding out is pointless
If you want 160Gb then just buy an iPod, problem solved.
iTunes has not been a problem for me. I don't ask it to do somersaults for me. I just use it to put music onto my iPod and change the odd genre tag etc. For CD ripping and music management I still use my old Creative software.
And anyway, you wont be considered a flash fashion lemming with an iPod Classic as it's now old hat, having been overtaken by the Touch and the iPhone.
Holding out for cash flow reasons
and the nagging doubt that 40gb of music is enough. But of course it isn't....
I have 60Gb...
..and am finding it nowhere near enough, because I just have to bung pretty much everything onto these machines instead of having to painstakingly select some and rule out others. It means everything I've bought since Christmas won't fit on unless I spend hours taking off stuff I don't listen to.
I guess a look at the larger capacity ipods it is, then! Cheers.
You know it makes sense
Anything less than eveything in your pocket at all times is just not acceptable.
Fair point
I've downloaded the odd freebie that an artist has put on a/their site to deliberately give away free and I happen to have read about it.
I just still love CDs, magazines, proper physical releases of music and writing/reviews/opinion, far more than downloads/podcasts, though I'm quite a fan of message boards and the like, this Word one I'm really enjoying, so thought I'd finally post.
I enjoy such heinous things as so-called landfill indie, the free CDs one finds on Mojo and Uncut (and of course The Word), and I don't have an ipod, but I'm old enough to live with all that now and still show my face around the intelligentsia.
Finally, I've had a couple of Creative MP3 players and they've both been fantastic. No complaints at all. I need a 160Gb though. My 60Gb ran out of space at Christmas and I've since purchased about 80 albums which don't fit on it!
Welcome aboard!
Let's hope Creative invents something for our Christmas eh!?
CD track search...please help
A few issues back...a brilliant folky song called Serpentine.
Name of artist please??