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The best unseen character on TV
Posted by Brookster on 9 September 2011 - 11:01am.
I'm a huge fan of the unseen character; the one who is referred to but never seen. I think every sitcom should have one. But who was the best?
For me, it has to be Maris Crane, Niles' legendary wife in Frasier. Her character just got more and more outlandish over the years. One of my favourite lines in Frasier was:
"One night of passion can sustain her for a month. She stores it up like some sex camel."
Running her close is Captain Mainwaring's wife Elizabeth on Dad's Army and the way Arthur Lowe used to talk to her on the phone with barely suppressed terror.
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Er
Indoors
Iconic yes,
but you never really got to know much about her character.
On My Life
Mrs Crout worked with a women in New York called Erin Dawes.
I always liked the joke ...
... what's Youssou N'Dour's wife called?
Her N'dours.
Aye thangew.
Charlie Brown's teacher
I particularly liked the voice:
"Mwuahwhabuahwuawuwablaahwahh"
"Yes ma'am"
"Mwuamuamuamuamuwahwahwamuaamuah" etc etc
Probably sums up just how much attention was given to teachers by children when they were dispensing with advice.
Plus, a friend of mine used to sound just like her when he was drunk.
As a child
I found that voice disturbing.
The school scenes always looked like some sort of CIA mind-control experiment.
(No subject)
One of my few impressions...
"Mwuahwhabuahwuawuwablaahwahh"
that and Bagpuss yawning.
And speaking of Bagpuss...
...we never get to see Emily (except in the intro montage of stills)...
You'd have to go a long way to beat Maris Crane
Here are just a few of my favourite facts about her:
it has to be Maris...
I was gonna write stuff, and then said 'feckit'...this works better :)
But...
If she was so lightweight why was she named after a potato?
She was a whizz on the bagpipes though!
Gets coat...
Strictly speaking
Several different potatoes - Maris bard, peer, piper etc.
She
who must be obeyed - Rumpole
Willie Eckaslike - Corrie
Except
She Who Must Be Obeyed was in every episode. Played variously by Peggy Thorpe-Bates, Marion Mackie and, in the pilot, Joyce Heron.
Margo in "The Good Life" was originally intended to be an unseen character. After a couple of episodes, the writers realised that they were establishing her as one of the more interesting characters, and so she suddenly appeared.
Ah, I never actually watched it
I had a law lecturer who kept saying it in a knowing way so I assumed it was a kind of posh version of 'er indoors.
and had she never existed
we would never have heard one of the great lines in TV comedy
"That's the last time I play the tart for you Gerry!"
I always rather liked
Margaret in the Little Britain shop sketches, which were much funnier than the gross-out stuff that was common in later series.
"Margaret! Have we got any pirate based games..." etc.
Agreed
That sketch suggested Little Britain could have taken a much wittier and surreal turn.
Roy Mallard
In People Like Us, one of the funniest things ever on TV and radio IMHO. To be fair, he can be glimpsed occasionally (briefly reflected in a shop window, say) but he's definitely an off-camera character.
Definitely...
...Carlton, your doorman.
the ones you hear but don't see
are the best, in my opinion. See also Mrs Wolowitz below.
Agreed
I was so young when Rhoda was regularly shown on BBC2 - probably pre-teen in the mid-70s - that I don't even think I was aware Carlton was unseen. Makes no sense, I know, but he just seemed so real to me.
I can't hear Beck ...
... without thinking of Carlton, Your Doorman.
I remember the show and Carlton
not one of the great theme tunes though.
Bernie Taupin wasn't available for lyric duties
Cant remember his name...
The next door neighbour in "Home improvements"
Only ever saw his eyes.
And one for people "of a certain age"
"Sylvia" -from the Charlie Drake 1960s sitcom "Who is Sylvia?"
Wilson
I think
It was indeed Wilson
But it's not quite true you only ever saw his eyes - you did see all of his face, just not all at the same time.
You never see the face of Meena, Navid's wife in 'Still Game'.
Charlie
Once upon a time there were three beautiful girls who went to the police academy
Detective Sergeant Mick Belcker's mother
in Hill Street Blues
Orson
Mork calling...
Similarly,
The Big Giant Head.
Howard Walowitz's mother...
...from The Big Bang Theory is giving Maris a run for her money.
Must be Maris
I nearly died laughing when Niles bought a whippet and it was deduced psychologically that it was a Maris subsitute. When they put a pill box hat on it Niles fainted. It was true!
that was the mutt that
he kept trying to 'order' around the place, and it'd ignore him, he'd capitulate and Frasier and Marty would exchange a knowing glance, yes?
Maureen
it's getting a bit busy down here.
Whoah there Leslie!
Fantastic character - might have to bung that into youtube later.
Whoah there Leslie!
???? Whoah there Leslie! Am I missing a trick ???
Here you go
Vera (Norm's wife)
Do we ever see the dreaded Vera, Norm's wife in "Cheers"?
Another from Cheers - Cliff Clavons mother?
Her "secret" recipe for coleslaw - use water instead of Mayo.
Frances Sternhagen would be disappointed to hear that...
She played Esther Clavin in about a dozen episodes, admittedly towards the end of the show's run... here's my favourite exchange between them:
Mom: Cliff, don't be jealous of Woody, he's like the son I never had.
Cliff: What about me?
Mom: You're the son I did have.
PS Another vote here for Carlton, your doorman...
Only once I think
But her face was covered in pumpkin pie...
Woody: Hey Mr. Peterson, there's a cold one waiting for you.
Norm: I know. If she calls, I'm not here.
We never do.
For me, Vera's the archetype. Maris is just a pale (surely) imitation.
My favourite joke from Cheers
I don't recall the exact set up but Rebecca engages Norm in a full on bout of tonsil hockey, thinking he's someone else. On discovering it's Norm she "oh I'm so sorry". To which Norm replies "I think it's Vera who should apologise".
My favourite
Norm (delivered like an aphorism)-
'Women: Can't live with 'em, pass the beernuts'
Some more Norm classics
Pour you a beer, Mr. Peterson?"
"Alright, but stop me at one....make that one-thirty."
"How's it going Mr. Peterson?"
"It's a dog eat dog world, Woody and I'm wearing Milk Bone underwear.
"What's the story, Norm?"
"Boy meets beer. Boy drinks beer. Boy meets another beer."
"What's going on, Mr. Peterson?"
"The question is, `what's going 'in' Mr. Peterson? A beer, please, Woody."
"Can I pour you a beer, Mr. Peterson?"
"A little early isn't it, Woody?"
"For a beer?"
"No, for stupid questions."
I don't think
we ever got a glimpse of Mrs Slocombe's pussy
(apart from that infamous out-take)
Anton
the dwarf (or midget?) forklift truck driver in The Office.
From The Royale Family
Dave's former fling and Denise's nemesis, Beverley Macker
Early Doors
This must be a Craig Cash technique.... lets not forget the often mentioned but never seen Giro Jim from Early Doors.
Another one
For your consideration...
The Maid from the Fred Quimby T&J cartoons - only ever see her feet.
Thomas! Thomaassssssss......!
Git back here you naugh'y cat...
Having a younger brother called Thomas meant that this line got (and occasionally still gets) regular airings.
Not telly, radio
But Sabrina Thwaite sounds like she's a bit of a gal.
The Archers has a whole gallery of unheard characters
Freda Fry, Titcombe and Mrs Titcombe (they even managed to get married in the show without ever appearing), Neville and Nathan Booth etc
Not forgetting the village jobsworth
Derek Fletcher
or indeed
the original Pru Forrest.
Not forgetting
"Snatch" Foster, "Baggy", Mr Pullen and The Entity from The Barn Conversion That Spooked Shula.
Didn't Snatch Foster
actually appear, when he persuaded Eddie to sell meat that wasn't fit for human consumption, and Eddie, after being arrested and after several prolonged whines from Clarrie, agreed to help catch him in a police/environmental health "sting"?
Snatch Foster
You could be right!
My apologies, if Snatch has appeared.
Number 1
in The Prisoner.
Oft referred to - never seen. Very unnerving.
Ah, but
Wasn't the Prisoner number one? He was his own gaoler?
(This could run and run.)
oi
SPOLIERZ!!! (on an umpteenth year old Tv show)
Good question
Since the maid from Tom and Jerry is taken, may I submit for your consideration Reggie Perrin's mother in law, who (in the original series) was only seen through Reggie's imagination, and always as a hippo accompanied by tuba music.
Reggie's mother-in-law
An excellent suggestion, Mr Fazackerly, sir:
Philippa Dunbar...
legendary lawyer on Neighbours in the mid 90s. Anyone who had any trouble would always go and see Philippa, but we, the viewers, never did. Mrs Mangle (a soap name worthy of Dickens) had a husband called Len, who we never saw, only for him to turn up years later, thus ruining the illusion.
Holding up their half of the sky...
...Jim Henson and Frank Oz, unseen characters of a sort...
Ooh not right, not right.
Spoils the illusion, make it go away....
Photoshopped
Obviously.
Cousin Jeffrey
on Seinfeld.
Was always doing well working for the NY Parks Department, according to Uncle Leo. Had a face like a horse.
He blogs on these here pages too
Bob Sacamano from Seinfeld.
The Drake
He is extremely popular friend of all the main characters of Seinfeld. Whenever The Drake is in town, they drop everything and flock to be with him. Even Jerry's parents unconditionally adore him. I haven't seen every Seinfeld, but I sense we never get to see this astonishing person.
The Drake...
The Drake is great.
DAMN YOU!!
Outed, finally! (I've got a dozen sable hats going cheap, wanna make me an offer?)
Mrs Columbo...
Followed by Captain Mainwairing's other half.
Except there was
a Mrs Columbo series in the late 70s
"I gotta tell ya, my wife loves your show!"
.... I understand that that in the Mrs Columbo series, the crumpled detective's better half was played by Kate Mulgrew, the Kathryn Hepburn-lookalikee who played Cap'n Janeway in the Star Trek : Voyager TV series.
BR
FT
Mr Oppodopolous
who owns the laundrette in Albert Square.
The Chief in 'Stop The Pigeon', only ever heard berating Dastardly on the phone.
I once spent an afternoon with Reg Varney at his house in Devon, and several times during the visit he went upstairs, he said, to see his wife. I heard and saw neither hide nor indeed hair.
Mr Papadopolous
(aka Mr Oppodopolous) has been seen very occasionally.
Yes!
I think he may have paid a visit shortly after Martin Fowler had his ecstasy episode in the laundrette
More movies than TV
But I'll go for Marni Nixon, particularly in West Side Story and My Fair Lady. (She had a bit part as a nun in Sound of Music, but Julie Andrews didn't need any help!)
And from Spaced ....
..... there's landlady Marsha's daughter Amber - usually a blur of rushing fetlocks, muffled arguments and slammed doors. Her opinions on The Phantom Menace remain unknown.
Edit : I might also add Mr Doyle from Father Ted - his one mention by his tea-dispensing missus had the triumvirate of clergy leaning forward in increased interest at this Revelation that wasn't included at the end of the big book, to which she comments : "I've said too much!"
BR
FT
From Sesame Street...
....Snuffleuppagus *sort of* counts - nobody on the show could see him except for Big Bird (at least for a while - I *think* he eventually became see-able to everyone else: perhaps someone could enlighten me!)
Anyway, it's a good excuse to see him singing a madrigal with the lovely Judy Collins.
By the way, Mens- you can't possibly tell us you spent an afternoon with Reg Varney and leave it at that! we need details!
You are right
For the first few seasons only Big Bird could see him, and he would wander off just as other characters were wandering into view. Later he became just a regular character. I had argued this point bitterly with a friend for years until I was vindicated by the release of the Old School box set.
Thanks for that, Pod...
...glad we got it sorted out! I have Old School 1 & 2 myself but have only watched 1 so far (savouring it...)
The Man Who Worked in the Garden
who Bill and Ben had to hide from in The Flowerpot men.
Didn't he appear in one episode?
And turned out to be a frog?
Come to think of it, I may have dreamt this.
From the Warped mind of my brother
who really should learn to post himself,as should Ella en casa.
Peggy Bundy's mother (Married with Children)butt of many of Al's best jokes.
"Monkey" Harris (Only Fools and Horses) Seems to be in league with Del but is never seen.
Mrs. Swainey (One foot in the Grave) who Victor thought didn't exist.
Joe Maplin (Hi-De Hi!) always mentioned,never seen.
from Mrs Crout
Diane (Twin Peaks)who Dale Cooper constantly refers to.
Also from Fools and Horses
Paddy the Greek.
In Are You Being Served? Do we ever get to see "Old" Mr Grace?
You can call me HAL
It's not TV and he's not unseen but when it comes to unforgettable characters not physically present you may bow down to the guvnor:
This reminded me of...
... the criminal mastermind behind "The Great St. Trinian's Train Robbery", only ever seen as a cartoon eye on TV, and only ever referred to as "Guvnor". [A quick Google couldn't locate a screenshot I'm afraid.]
Elizabeth Mainwaring
She was almost seen, she gets into the bunk above Mainwaring in the air raid shelter and the mattress of course then almost touches Mainwaring on the nose.
Corkys wife in Sykes was never seen but she was heard. She spoke in a totally unintelligable way.
Private Godfrey
did we ever get to see his sisters,Dolly and Cissy ?
We do - but very rarely.
Quite the best cucumber sandwiches I've ever tasted.
The Likely Lads
has a few:
Morrie Hardaker is mentioned quite often in the original series but never seen;
likewise the boss of the electrical firm, Old Darby;
Terry apparently has another sister, although we know little about her;
Terry's ex-wife and the infamous Deirdre Birchwood (who both, admittedly, belong in the past - not to mention, in the case of the former, in Monchengladbach) are also frequently referred to but never seen.
Agent Cooper's diligent secretary
Diane.
Both Marion AND Geoff
in Marion And Geoff. Not to mention Keith's "little smashers".
Although didn't they do a one-off 'prequel',
where you did see them? In fact Steve Coogan was Geoff, I think. I seem to remember not finding this episode half as funny or touching as the others where the pair had remained unseen.
At the end of one of the series
we see Keith getting out of his car and chasing his "little smashers" and playing after he takes a paternity test to prove they are his, not Geoff's.
And there was a special of the party barbecue where we see Marion (Tracy-Ann Oberman) and Geoff (Steve Coogan) - it reveals how Keith discovers their affair.
I may have to watch a bit of the series again tonight as it was beautifully done and has got a bit forgotten by most people
It's a really
great comedy. And absolutely heartbreaking.
I started
watching it again just after I split up with my wife and moved out of the family home. Not advisable.
In the pre-Doctor Who days
The early evening Saturday slot had a series called Garry Halliday which featured an unseen arch-villain called The Voice.
Also - The Lovely Samantha from I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue (the mind boggles!).
The worst unseen character on TV
The Fucking Stig.
Twat.
Dolly Parton's husband.
The Archers
One of the many many reasons I stopped listening to this was the unheard characters, a pathetic in-joke with the listeners. People always saying "Oh, you can't get a word in once that Derek Fletcher gets going". Har-de-bleeding-har.
The Mysterons?
Or were they just the cheapest, yet curiously most effective, effect ever?
Parents should be not seen but perhaps heard?
Kids programmes are full of unseen characters: i.e. the kids' parents. The first example that springs to mind is Charlie and Lola's mum and dad. I'm sure that there are many others.
Not that they are in any way as memorable as the unseen spouses and other interesting folk mentioned above.
The mother from the family
The mother from the family in Absolutely. You could see her back but never her face.
Mainly because
she was played by Gordon Kennedy, presumably.
Still Game
We never see Navid's amusing wife.
One which has been lurking
in the recesses of my memory since this thread started, and has only just come to the fore. There was an episode of "M*A*S*H" in which Hawkeye invents a fictional soldier called Tuttle. By the end of the episode, when they're holding a memorial for him, everybody claims to have met him.
EDIT: Turns out there's a Wikipedia page on the episode. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuttle_%28M*A*S*H%29
It also turns out that this is the only episode in which the character Sparky - usually on the other end of Radar's radio - appears.