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The best unseen character on TV

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I'm a huge fan of the unseen character; the one who is referred to but never seen. I think every sitcom should have one. But who was the best?

For me, it has to be Maris Crane, Niles' legendary wife in Frasier. Her character just got more and more outlandish over the years. One of my favourite lines in Frasier was:

"One night of passion can sustain her for a month. She stores it up like some sex camel."

Running her close is Captain Mainwaring's wife Elizabeth on Dad's Army and the way Arthur Lowe used to talk to her on the phone with barely suppressed terror.

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Indoors

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jackthebiscuit | 9 September 2011 - 11:04am

Iconic yes,

but you never really got to know much about her character.

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Brookster | 9 September 2011 - 11:09am

On My Life

Mrs Crout worked with a women in New York called Erin Dawes.

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Sour Crout | 9 September 2011 - 12:43pm

I always liked the joke ...

... what's Youssou N'Dour's wife called?

Her N'dours.

Aye thangew.

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smithylad | 11 September 2011 - 10:58pm

Charlie Brown's teacher

I particularly liked the voice:

"Mwuahwhabuahwuawuwablaahwahh"
"Yes ma'am"
"Mwuamuamuamuamuwahwahwamuaamuah" etc etc

Probably sums up just how much attention was given to teachers by children when they were dispensing with advice.

Plus, a friend of mine used to sound just like her when he was drunk.

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Hawkfall | 9 September 2011 - 11:09am

As a child

I found that voice disturbing.

The school scenes always looked like some sort of CIA mind-control experiment.

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Brookster | 10 September 2011 - 10:26pm

(No subject)

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JeffLeopard | 15 September 2011 - 10:47pm

One of my few impressions...

"Mwuahwhabuahwuawuwablaahwahh"

that and Bagpuss yawning.

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pompeygeorge | 10 September 2011 - 10:23pm

And speaking of Bagpuss...

...we never get to see Emily (except in the intro montage of stills)...

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Colin H | 11 September 2011 - 12:44am

You'd have to go a long way to beat Maris Crane

Here are just a few of my favourite facts about her:

She has abnormally rigid vertebrae, slightly webbed fingers and an underbite. Her skin has no pigmentation. She is too light to activate a whoopie cushion or leave footprints in the snow. She cannot ride a horse because her quadriceps are so tight she cannot straddle anything larger than a border collie.

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drakeygirl | 9 September 2011 - 11:10am

it has to be Maris...

I was gonna write stuff, and then said 'feckit'...this works better :)

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ivan | 9 September 2011 - 12:20pm

But...

If she was so lightweight why was she named after a potato?

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jazzjet | 9 September 2011 - 10:45pm

She was a whizz on the bagpipes though!

Gets coat...

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Trevor_Raggatt | 9 September 2011 - 10:50pm

Strictly speaking

Several different potatoes - Maris bard, peer, piper etc.

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Lando Cakes | 10 September 2011 - 5:52pm

She

who must be obeyed - Rumpole

Willie Eckaslike - Corrie

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niscum | 9 September 2011 - 11:11am

Except

She Who Must Be Obeyed was in every episode. Played variously by Peggy Thorpe-Bates, Marion Mackie and, in the pilot, Joyce Heron.

Margo in "The Good Life" was originally intended to be an unseen character. After a couple of episodes, the writers realised that they were establishing her as one of the more interesting characters, and so she suddenly appeared.

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Wardour | 9 September 2011 - 1:24pm

Ah, I never actually watched it

I had a law lecturer who kept saying it in a knowing way so I assumed it was a kind of posh version of 'er indoors.

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niscum | 9 September 2011 - 8:41pm

and had she never existed

we would never have heard one of the great lines in TV comedy
"That's the last time I play the tart for you Gerry!"

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Gordon Kerr | 9 September 2011 - 11:53pm

I always rather liked

Margaret in the Little Britain shop sketches, which were much funnier than the gross-out stuff that was common in later series.

"Margaret! Have we got any pirate based games..." etc.

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milkybarnick | 9 September 2011 - 11:13am

Agreed

That sketch suggested Little Britain could have taken a much wittier and surreal turn.

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Ahh_Bisto | 9 September 2011 - 12:24pm

Roy Mallard

In People Like Us, one of the funniest things ever on TV and radio IMHO. To be fair, he can be glimpsed occasionally (briefly reflected in a shop window, say) but he's definitely an off-camera character.

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Malc | 9 September 2011 - 11:30am

Definitely...

...Carlton, your doorman.

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pocket.calculator | 9 September 2011 - 11:34am

the ones you hear but don't see

are the best, in my opinion. See also Mrs Wolowitz below.

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another Iain | 9 September 2011 - 1:28pm

Agreed

I was so young when Rhoda was regularly shown on BBC2 - probably pre-teen in the mid-70s - that I don't even think I was aware Carlton was unseen. Makes no sense, I know, but he just seemed so real to me.

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pocket.calculator | 9 September 2011 - 2:18pm

I can't hear Beck ...

... without thinking of Carlton, Your Doorman.

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smithylad | 11 September 2011 - 11:00pm

I remember the show and Carlton

not one of the great theme tunes though.

Bernie Taupin wasn't available for lyric duties

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davebigpicture | 10 September 2011 - 12:26pm

Cant remember his name...

The next door neighbour in "Home improvements"

Only ever saw his eyes.

And one for people "of a certain age"

"Sylvia" -from the Charlie Drake 1960s sitcom "Who is Sylvia?"

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jackthebiscuit | 9 September 2011 - 11:44am

Wilson

I think

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milkybarnick | 9 September 2011 - 12:19pm

It was indeed Wilson

But it's not quite true you only ever saw his eyes - you did see all of his face, just not all at the same time.

You never see the face of Meena, Navid's wife in 'Still Game'.

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PeteWingrave | 10 September 2011 - 12:46pm

Charlie

Once upon a time there were three beautiful girls who went to the police academy

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tkdmart | 9 September 2011 - 12:02pm

Detective Sergeant Mick Belcker's mother

in Hill Street Blues

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davebigpicture | 9 September 2011 - 12:05pm

Orson

Mork calling...

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tkdmart | 9 September 2011 - 12:05pm

Similarly,

The Big Giant Head.

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Cadabra | 9 September 2011 - 4:10pm

Howard Walowitz's mother...

...from The Big Bang Theory is giving Maris a run for her money.

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minibreakfast | 9 September 2011 - 12:22pm

Must be Maris

I nearly died laughing when Niles bought a whippet and it was deduced psychologically that it was a Maris subsitute. When they put a pill box hat on it Niles fainted. It was true!

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Five-Centres | 9 September 2011 - 12:25pm

that was the mutt that

he kept trying to 'order' around the place, and it'd ignore him, he'd capitulate and Frasier and Marty would exchange a knowing glance, yes?

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ivan | 9 September 2011 - 12:42pm

Maureen

it's getting a bit busy down here.

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Ahh_Bisto | 9 September 2011 - 12:28pm

Whoah there Leslie!

Fantastic character - might have to bung that into youtube later.

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milkybarnick | 9 September 2011 - 2:09pm

Whoah there Leslie!

???? Whoah there Leslie! Am I missing a trick ???

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jackthebiscuit | 9 September 2011 - 3:08pm

Here you go

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DogFacedBoy | 9 September 2011 - 3:12pm

Vera (Norm's wife)

Do we ever see the dreaded Vera, Norm's wife in "Cheers"?

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Nick White | 9 September 2011 - 12:32pm

Another from Cheers - Cliff Clavons mother?

Her "secret" recipe for coleslaw - use water instead of Mayo.

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jackthebiscuit | 9 September 2011 - 1:28pm

Frances Sternhagen would be disappointed to hear that...

She played Esther Clavin in about a dozen episodes, admittedly towards the end of the show's run... here's my favourite exchange between them:

Mom: Cliff, don't be jealous of Woody, he's like the son I never had.
Cliff: What about me?
Mom: You're the son I did have.

PS Another vote here for Carlton, your doorman...

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Metal Mickey | 9 September 2011 - 2:09pm

Only once I think

But her face was covered in pumpkin pie...

Woody: Hey Mr. Peterson, there's a cold one waiting for you.
Norm: I know. If she calls, I'm not here.

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Resting Place | 9 September 2011 - 9:11pm

We never do.

For me, Vera's the archetype. Maris is just a pale (surely) imitation.

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Dadwardo | 9 September 2011 - 11:03pm

My favourite joke from Cheers

I don't recall the exact set up but Rebecca engages Norm in a full on bout of tonsil hockey, thinking he's someone else. On discovering it's Norm she "oh I'm so sorry". To which Norm replies "I think it's Vera who should apologise".

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fortuneight | 9 September 2011 - 11:16pm

My favourite

Norm (delivered like an aphorism)-
'Women: Can't live with 'em, pass the beernuts'

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Cobweb Steve | 10 September 2011 - 8:22am

Some more Norm classics

Pour you a beer, Mr. Peterson?"
"Alright, but stop me at one....make that one-thirty."

"How's it going Mr. Peterson?"
"It's a dog eat dog world, Woody and I'm wearing Milk Bone underwear.

"What's the story, Norm?"
"Boy meets beer. Boy drinks beer. Boy meets another beer."

"What's going on, Mr. Peterson?"
"The question is, `what's going 'in' Mr. Peterson? A beer, please, Woody."

"Can I pour you a beer, Mr. Peterson?"
"A little early isn't it, Woody?"
"For a beer?"
"No, for stupid questions."

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Resting Place | 10 September 2011 - 10:48am

I don't think

we ever got a glimpse of Mrs Slocombe's pussy

(apart from that infamous out-take)

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DogFacedBoy | 9 September 2011 - 12:59pm

Anton

the dwarf (or midget?) forklift truck driver in The Office.

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Brookster | 9 September 2011 - 1:00pm

From The Royale Family

Dave's former fling and Denise's nemesis, Beverley Macker

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DogFacedBoy | 9 September 2011 - 1:06pm

Early Doors

This must be a Craig Cash technique.... lets not forget the often mentioned but never seen Giro Jim from Early Doors.

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seanioio | 9 September 2011 - 3:21pm

Another one

For your consideration...

The Maid from the Fred Quimby T&J cartoons - only ever see her feet.

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jackthebiscuit | 9 September 2011 - 1:59pm

Thomas! Thomaassssssss......!

Git back here you naugh'y cat...

Having a younger brother called Thomas meant that this line got (and occasionally still gets) regular airings.

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Six Dog | 9 September 2011 - 2:23pm

Not telly, radio

But Sabrina Thwaite sounds like she's a bit of a gal.

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Twangothan | 9 September 2011 - 2:06pm

The Archers has a whole gallery of unheard characters

Freda Fry, Titcombe and Mrs Titcombe (they even managed to get married in the show without ever appearing), Neville and Nathan Booth etc

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Humphrey Plugg | 9 September 2011 - 2:33pm

Not forgetting the village jobsworth

Derek Fletcher

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Phil Pirrip | 9 September 2011 - 2:56pm

or indeed

the original Pru Forrest.

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thecheshirecat | 9 September 2011 - 3:03pm

Not forgetting

"Snatch" Foster, "Baggy", Mr Pullen and The Entity from The Barn Conversion That Spooked Shula.

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GCU Grey Area | 10 September 2011 - 1:49pm

Didn't Snatch Foster

actually appear, when he persuaded Eddie to sell meat that wasn't fit for human consumption, and Eddie, after being arrested and after several prolonged whines from Clarrie, agreed to help catch him in a police/environmental health "sting"?

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Humphrey Plugg | 10 September 2011 - 4:31pm

Snatch Foster

You could be right!

My apologies, if Snatch has appeared.

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GCU Grey Area | 10 September 2011 - 6:25pm

Number 1

in The Prisoner.

Oft referred to - never seen. Very unnerving.

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Six Dog | 9 September 2011 - 2:27pm

Ah, but

Wasn't the Prisoner number one? He was his own gaoler?

(This could run and run.)

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Brookster | 9 September 2011 - 2:44pm

oi

SPOLIERZ!!! (on an umpteenth year old Tv show)

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DogFacedBoy | 9 September 2011 - 2:50pm

Good question

Since the maid from Tom and Jerry is taken, may I submit for your consideration Reggie Perrin's mother in law, who (in the original series) was only seen through Reggie's imagination, and always as a hippo accompanied by tuba music.

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Fazackerly | 9 September 2011 - 2:36pm

Reggie's mother-in-law

An excellent suggestion, Mr Fazackerly, sir:

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duco01 | 10 September 2011 - 6:30pm

Philippa Dunbar...

legendary lawyer on Neighbours in the mid 90s. Anyone who had any trouble would always go and see Philippa, but we, the viewers, never did. Mrs Mangle (a soap name worthy of Dickens) had a husband called Len, who we never saw, only for him to turn up years later, thus ruining the illusion.

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peterthecook | 9 September 2011 - 2:42pm

Holding up their half of the sky...

...Jim Henson and Frank Oz, unseen characters of a sort...

Photobucket

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Pax Romana | 9 September 2011 - 2:49pm

Ooh not right, not right.

Spoils the illusion, make it go away....

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jockblue | 9 September 2011 - 4:12pm

Photoshopped

Obviously.

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paulwright | 10 September 2011 - 9:17am

Cousin Jeffrey

on Seinfeld.

Was always doing well working for the NY Parks Department, according to Uncle Leo. Had a face like a horse.

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Brookster | 9 September 2011 - 2:57pm

He blogs on these here pages too

Bob Sacamano from Seinfeld.

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jimmyshoes01 | 9 September 2011 - 3:04pm

The Drake

He is extremely popular friend of all the main characters of Seinfeld. Whenever The Drake is in town, they drop everything and flock to be with him. Even Jerry's parents unconditionally adore him. I haven't seen every Seinfeld, but I sense we never get to see this astonishing person.

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Austin | 10 September 2011 - 12:15am

The Drake...

The Drake is great.

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jackthebiscuit | 10 September 2011 - 12:47pm

DAMN YOU!!

Outed, finally! (I've got a dozen sable hats going cheap, wanna make me an offer?)

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Bob Sacamano | 10 September 2011 - 12:20pm

Mrs Columbo...

Followed by Captain Mainwairing's other half.

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pessoa | 9 September 2011 - 3:26pm

Except there was

a Mrs Columbo series in the late 70s

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Humphrey Plugg | 9 September 2011 - 4:05pm

"I gotta tell ya, my wife loves your show!"

.... I understand that that in the Mrs Columbo series, the crumpled detective's better half was played by Kate Mulgrew, the Kathryn Hepburn-lookalikee who played Cap'n Janeway in the Star Trek : Voyager TV series.

BR
FT

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Freaky Trigger | 9 September 2011 - 8:30pm

Mr Oppodopolous

who owns the laundrette in Albert Square.
The Chief in 'Stop The Pigeon', only ever heard berating Dastardly on the phone.

I once spent an afternoon with Reg Varney at his house in Devon, and several times during the visit he went upstairs, he said, to see his wife. I heard and saw neither hide nor indeed hair.

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Mensi | 9 September 2011 - 3:46pm

Mr Papadopolous

(aka Mr Oppodopolous) has been seen very occasionally.

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Brookster | 9 September 2011 - 3:56pm

Yes!

I think he may have paid a visit shortly after Martin Fowler had his ecstasy episode in the laundrette

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Mensi | 9 September 2011 - 4:03pm

More movies than TV

But I'll go for Marni Nixon, particularly in West Side Story and My Fair Lady. (She had a bit part as a nun in Sound of Music, but Julie Andrews didn't need any help!)

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Anglepoised | 9 September 2011 - 5:01pm

And from Spaced ....

..... there's landlady Marsha's daughter Amber - usually a blur of rushing fetlocks, muffled arguments and slammed doors. Her opinions on The Phantom Menace remain unknown.

Edit : I might also add Mr Doyle from Father Ted - his one mention by his tea-dispensing missus had the triumvirate of clergy leaning forward in increased interest at this Revelation that wasn't included at the end of the big book, to which she comments : "I've said too much!"

BR
FT

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Freaky Trigger | 9 September 2011 - 8:49pm

From Sesame Street...

....Snuffleuppagus *sort of* counts - nobody on the show could see him except for Big Bird (at least for a while - I *think* he eventually became see-able to everyone else: perhaps someone could enlighten me!)

Anyway, it's a good excuse to see him singing a madrigal with the lovely Judy Collins.

By the way, Mens- you can't possibly tell us you spent an afternoon with Reg Varney and leave it at that! we need details!

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Colin H | 9 September 2011 - 8:44pm

You are right

For the first few seasons only Big Bird could see him, and he would wander off just as other characters were wandering into view. Later he became just a regular character. I had argued this point bitterly with a friend for years until I was vindicated by the release of the Old School box set.

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Podicle | 9 September 2011 - 10:42pm

Thanks for that, Pod...

...glad we got it sorted out! I have Old School 1 & 2 myself but have only watched 1 so far (savouring it...)

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Colin H | 9 September 2011 - 11:32pm

The Man Who Worked in the Garden

who Bill and Ben had to hide from in The Flowerpot men.

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Sour Crout | 9 September 2011 - 10:32pm

Didn't he appear in one episode?

And turned out to be a frog?

Come to think of it, I may have dreamt this.

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Lando Cakes | 10 September 2011 - 10:09pm

From the Warped mind of my brother

who really should learn to post himself,as should Ella en casa.
Peggy Bundy's mother (Married with Children)butt of many of Al's best jokes.
"Monkey" Harris (Only Fools and Horses) Seems to be in league with Del but is never seen.
Mrs. Swainey (One foot in the Grave) who Victor thought didn't exist.
Joe Maplin (Hi-De Hi!) always mentioned,never seen.
from Mrs Crout
Diane (Twin Peaks)who Dale Cooper constantly refers to.

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Sour Crout | 9 September 2011 - 10:40pm

Also from Fools and Horses

Paddy the Greek.

In Are You Being Served? Do we ever get to see "Old" Mr Grace?

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Six Dog | 12 September 2011 - 2:53pm

You can call me HAL

It's not TV and he's not unseen but when it comes to unforgettable characters not physically present you may bow down to the guvnor:

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STD | 10 September 2011 - 12:20am

This reminded me of...

... the criminal mastermind behind "The Great St. Trinian's Train Robbery", only ever seen as a cartoon eye on TV, and only ever referred to as "Guvnor". [A quick Google couldn't locate a screenshot I'm afraid.]

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Metal Mickey | 12 September 2011 - 9:03am

Elizabeth Mainwaring

She was almost seen, she gets into the bunk above Mainwaring in the air raid shelter and the mattress of course then almost touches Mainwaring on the nose.

Corkys wife in Sykes was never seen but she was heard. She spoke in a totally unintelligable way.

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clivetemple | 10 September 2011 - 6:56am

Private Godfrey

did we ever get to see his sisters,Dolly and Cissy ?

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Sour Crout | 10 September 2011 - 7:05pm

We do - but very rarely.

Quite the best cucumber sandwiches I've ever tasted.

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Nick White | 10 September 2011 - 8:56pm

The Likely Lads

has a few:

Morrie Hardaker is mentioned quite often in the original series but never seen;
likewise the boss of the electrical firm, Old Darby;
Terry apparently has another sister, although we know little about her;
Terry's ex-wife and the infamous Deirdre Birchwood (who both, admittedly, belong in the past - not to mention, in the case of the former, in Monchengladbach) are also frequently referred to but never seen.

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Wardour | 10 September 2011 - 7:18am

Agent Cooper's diligent secretary

Diane.

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fedoraboy | 10 September 2011 - 9:14am

Both Marion AND Geoff

in Marion And Geoff. Not to mention Keith's "little smashers".

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Cadabra | 10 September 2011 - 11:59am

Although didn't they do a one-off 'prequel',

where you did see them? In fact Steve Coogan was Geoff, I think. I seem to remember not finding this episode half as funny or touching as the others where the pair had remained unseen.

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drakeygirl | 10 September 2011 - 5:19pm

At the end of one of the series

we see Keith getting out of his car and chasing his "little smashers" and playing after he takes a paternity test to prove they are his, not Geoff's.

And there was a special of the party barbecue where we see Marion (Tracy-Ann Oberman) and Geoff (Steve Coogan) - it reveals how Keith discovers their affair.

I may have to watch a bit of the series again tonight as it was beautifully done and has got a bit forgotten by most people

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DogFacedBoy | 10 September 2011 - 5:29pm

It's a really

great comedy. And absolutely heartbreaking.

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drakeygirl | 10 September 2011 - 5:35pm

I started

watching it again just after I split up with my wife and moved out of the family home. Not advisable.

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Jim M | 10 September 2011 - 6:34pm

In the pre-Doctor Who days

The early evening Saturday slot had a series called Garry Halliday which featured an unseen arch-villain called The Voice.
Also - The Lovely Samantha from I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue (the mind boggles!).

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aging hippy | 10 September 2011 - 12:54pm

The worst unseen character on TV

The Fucking Stig.

Twat.

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jackthebiscuit | 11 September 2011 - 1:03pm

Dolly Parton's husband.

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Nick White | 11 September 2011 - 10:03pm

The Archers

One of the many many reasons I stopped listening to this was the unheard characters, a pathetic in-joke with the listeners. People always saying "Oh, you can't get a word in once that Derek Fletcher gets going". Har-de-bleeding-har.

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Moose the Mooche | 11 September 2011 - 10:22pm

The Mysterons?

Or were they just the cheapest, yet curiously most effective, effect ever?

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Count Grassi | 12 September 2011 - 7:14pm

Parents should be not seen but perhaps heard?

Kids programmes are full of unseen characters: i.e. the kids' parents. The first example that springs to mind is Charlie and Lola's mum and dad. I'm sure that there are many others.

Not that they are in any way as memorable as the unseen spouses and other interesting folk mentioned above.

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happyasapancake | 14 September 2011 - 11:21pm

The mother from the family

The mother from the family in Absolutely. You could see her back but never her face.

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wickerman1138 | 15 September 2011 - 4:53pm

Mainly because

she was played by Gordon Kennedy, presumably.

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Cadabra | 15 September 2011 - 10:47pm

Still Game

We never see Navid's amusing wife.

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Lando Cakes | 15 September 2011 - 10:41pm

One which has been lurking

in the recesses of my memory since this thread started, and has only just come to the fore. There was an episode of "M*A*S*H" in which Hawkeye invents a fictional soldier called Tuttle. By the end of the episode, when they're holding a memorial for him, everybody claims to have met him.

EDIT: Turns out there's a Wikipedia page on the episode. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuttle_%28M*A*S*H%29
It also turns out that this is the only episode in which the character Sparky - usually on the other end of Radar's radio - appears.

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Wardour | 16 September 2011 - 3:07pm
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