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The best Roxy Music album
Having previously been restricted to their first four albums and a greatest hits, I was inspired by the recent BBC4 Roxy Doc to investigate the albums from Siren onwards.
As suggested on the documentary – Manifesto is a far more substantial album than “Dance Away” might indicate. And Siren has some real quality (“Both Ends Burning” and “She Sells” are fantastic songs).
I’m still not sure about Avalon and Flesh And Blood as the stuff I have heard suggests a move towards cocktail lounge music (and the dodgy rehash of “Eight Miles High” is embarrassing to say the least).
My fave is Stranded which gets the nod over For Your Pleasure purely because the former is slightly more varied in mood and because it has “Mother Of Pearl”.
I also love Country Life but never got on with the debut… although I can imagine it would have sounded pretty amazing in 1972.
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Personally...
I think they never came close to the first album but everything else is consistently high quality.
If I was forced to pick three, I'd go with:
Roxy Music
Stranded
Avalon
Am I the only one...?
who doesn't remember then by title but by the covers???? Stranded was always my fave!
The one with In Every Dream Home A Heartache on it
Street Life?
That's
For Your Pleasure, which, for my money, I agree is the best of the lot.
Yep
I concur
Isnt 'Stranded' Brian Enos favourite?
Me...
'For Your Pleasure' is up their with the best of Bowie.
Oh, Manifesto is well under rated. Musically, sounds like some of the stuff that Joy Division/Japan where doing a year later.
I win...! The answer is
"For Your Pleasure" surely.
Mind you, I always had a soft spot for the live "Viva!" album mainly for the excellent versions of "Out Of The Blue", "Pyjamarama" and "Both Ends Burning", probably my three fave Roxy tracks.
...seconded..
..definately three of my faves too. I've never understood why Pyjamarama gets overlooked so much. It was a stand alone single at the time but should really have been tagged onto one of the reissued albums as Virginia Plain (possibly sic) was..
difficult
I have the 4 CD Thrill of it All set, can I go for that?
Dont get me started on 'Pyjamarama'
I said 'DONT!"
Ive been completely in love with that song since I was 10 years old and my auntie Sharon used to play it on the dansette.
37 years later it's beauty has only deepened.
A 'pop' song that takes longer to start and to finish than the actual 'song'?
That has no chorus?
That has a duelling soprano sax / guitar section at it's core (Manzanera's finest hour in the coda!)
The best opening line in the history of pop?
Is 2 and half minutes long but distills more yearning, texture, atmoshphere, invention and burning energy than most bands manage in a career?...
Im off to ring me auntie.
Yes, indeed!
Brilliantly put.
And don't overlook the drumming
which is gloriously mad.
And having said all that...
I saw them live about 5 or 6 years ago and the highlight was actually 'Out of the Blue'!
But I was on the edge of blubbin' all the way through the set anyway...
Christ.
Im pathetic.
Magnificent
deconstruction of Pyjamarama Mr. Green, I salute you Sir!
such a good deconstruction...
...that I couldn't wait until the weekend to go to my dad's house and retrieve my Roxy's Greatest Hits CD.. so I have paid for a download of "Pyjamarama". The equal of "Virginia Plain" in my books. In fact its a big shame that the Eno line-up didn't hold it together long enough to churn out a few more pop singles in the vein of "Pyjamarama" and "Virginia Plain" (a similar point could be made about Barrett era Floyd and "See Emily Play")
The 'drums'. Remember the word podcast where Lord Hepworth talks
to the two drummers and asks about the contention that ' the best drummers always play just behind the beat dont they?' Fingers generally get pointed at Bonham (rock) and Gadd (brilliantness) as proving this?
Well, Paul Thompson is nearly always galloping ahead of the beat as if to say 'Christ, this is great. come on lets go!'
Which is perfect, as it allows Ferry to kick back and relax into the vocal. The tension producing...Well... 'magick' in its purest, alchemical sense. 'All i want is you ', 'The Thrill of it all', 'Out of the blue' -all use the formula.
Er...
Dont laugh. It's true!
I love the way the staccato synth line
fades up and down in the gaps between the vocals
just hearing that in my head
makes me go all...
Mimed by Eno
on TOTP by playing the VCS3 with xylophone beaters
and introduced by Tony Blackburn as "Pie-Jam-A-Rammer" by which he managed to sink even lower in my teenage estimation. Conversely the Massive has risen even further by sharing the love for this often overlooked gem.
As far as which Roxy album is best? They're all great aren't they?
Pyjamarama
Have an up arrow Mr Green
NOW Im in hell...
Ive got stuff to do but will be compelled against all rational will to listen to Roxy constantly. Much to Mrs G's chagrin.
Who started this? walker?
Wonderful!
Siren onwards - It sounds like you've got all you need...
Siren is an overlooked corker, and probably the most consistent album throughout. Apart from Manifesto both later albums are as you'd expect., and you may be better off investigating
Roxy - Viva Roxy
Bryan Ferry - In Your Mind
Eno - Before and After Science
And if you haven't got it yet - you must grab the first album
PS (you can grab the pre-disco versh of Angel Eyes below)
http://planetmondo.blogspot.com/2007/11/b-side-babies-pt-2-roxy-music-an...
Good call on Bry's "In Your Mind" Dave
and I also like the next one, "The Bride Stripped Bare" too.
Sell 'em to me chaps...
Always avoided the Ferry solo stuff
Try this
In your Mind is a grabber
Let's Stick Together and The Bride Stripped Bare are well worth having.
As Time Goes By has possibly one of the best versions of The Way You Look Tonight, you'll ever hear..
Ta
Im on it.
As Time Goes By
Seconded. Brilliant takes on Where or When, I'm In The Mood For Love and Falling In Love Again amongst others.
Ta
Im on it.
vis-a-vis the pre disco "Angel Eyes"..
..from the BBC4 doc I understood that this was the version on Manifesto. But the version on my copy of Manifesto sounds just like the single... was the pre disco version ever on the album or is it just a rarity??? Anyone?
Remix Remodel
I've got a vinyl copy of Manifesto pressed with the original 'rock' mix which I believe only appeared on the earliest releases (before Angel Eyes was given a disco make-over). It's the later editions that come with remix/hit version as standard
http://www.librario.com/758
Thanks for that Dave C...
... does anyone know whether the rock mix did get an official release?
it's on
CD3 of the Thrill of it All, which I have
Bryan "Tokyo Joe"
"In Your Mind"
"This Is Tomorrow"
you can't go wrong
with a band that has Wetton on bass and Crisp Pudding on geetar
was that 'The Great' Paul Thompson on drums?
Another shout for "Stranded"
Less of a bodyshock than the first two, but for the first and only time there's a warmth and a singularity of vision that is exquisitely married to the usual camp; as someone recently said about the novelist Paul Auster, "Stranded" was post-modernism with a pulse.
The first two then
nowt.
Frantic - I Thought
I am a 'Greatest Hits' kind of Roxy man, but I did quite enjoy Ferry's Frantic album, and loved this Eno/Ferry/Thompson track:
Oh yes indeed!
A sublime end to a cracking album. Some great songs on here - Goddess Of Love, Hiroshima, San Simeon (which is...Dreamhome: The Sequel), and two great Dylan covers. Well worth investigating.
The first one
The first one did sound amazing in 1972 and still does. In fact for my money it's one of the greatest debut albums ever made.However my vote for the best Roxy album would be for "Stranded". Also totally agree with the comments above re "Pyjamarama" Great title too!
Love 'em all
..but Stranded takes it
It seems like the first two are the coolest to namecheck...
...they are a bit edgier and punky, but Stranded is possibly the more enjoyable, retaining just enough edge to keep them from sounding ordinairy.
'coolest'?
I suggest that anyone who heard the first album on initial release would never forget the impact it had - I had a pink Island cassette of it and was a little disappointed that it didn't have Virginia Plain on :-)
I have no idea how it's perceived by those that are too young to have been there at the time but it was a real shock to the system - totally unlike anything else I'd heard in pop music up until then.
Roxy have done some fine work since then, but nothing with the variety, wildness, excitement and downright curiousness as the debut.
Being (ahem!) too young
to have acquired the debut on first release, I started with 'Manifesto' and worked back.
The difficulty for me was therefore that the first album sounded almost pre-historic in terms of its production. I suspect it's comparable to listening today to 'Elvis '56' or 'With The Beatles' - unless you were there as it landed it is impossible to fully appreciate just how revolutionary it must have sounded.
For me they never bettered 'For Your Pleasure', although 'Stranded' is the easier to enjoy, if that makes sense. I miss the word play and literacy on the later albums as it became more about soundscapes and mood.
And, at the risk of incurring the wrath of a vast number of the Massive, I could recommend the live album from the reunion tour.
to turn you on
I've converted a few (young) friends to Roxy via FYP, to me it's probably their best introduction, it has pop (Strand/Editions) and oddness (Dream Home/Bogus) as well as an absolutely gorgeous sleeve
the run of great albums
from the debut through for your pleasure, stranded, country life and siren is pretty much unsurpassed I would argue.
In British Rock only surpassed by the Fabs (obviously) and
juuust straining to reach out and grab Bowie's shirt tail...
aaaaand only just failing to grab em.
Apart from that no one even close.
It's a
good question. Personally I haven't heard a better Roxy song than "If There Is Something".
Time for an in depth and exhaustive..
..Ferry interview. Just don't mention Otis.
Yes please!
I have ventured this suggestion on a number of occasions...c'mon fellas, make it so!
and whatever happened
to that new album they've been working on sporadically over the last few years.
the words 'back' and 'burner' spring to my mind as a new ferry solo offering is apparently imminent.
I guess that 'magic'
wasn't as magical as made out in the doc
Have to go with 'Stranded'
'Street Life', 'Mother of Pearl', and 'Psalm'. Sigh.
'Country Life' a close second - I went through a phase of playing 'Triptych' over and over. Couldn't believe my ears.
'MOTHER OF PEARL!'
Oh, sweet Jesus!
ferry solo
always loved his version of carrickfergus
his lilting voice well suited to that sublime melody
Surround sound, oh yes
I wasn't a real big Roxy Music fan until I heard Avalon in SACD surround sound.
It sounds great in stereo,too, of course.
But the surround version is truly astounding. I think having nearly all the master tapes must have helped. But it sounds so fresh and so musical, I must have played the SACD version almost to destruction.
The whole surround thing didn't really happen. (Just like Quad back in the 70s) So you might pick up the SACD version fairly cheaply and it also plays in stereo on non-surround set-ups.
If I had to pick one LP...
...like many others, I would probably opt for Stranded but would sorely miss all the rest.
Ferry solo has to be one of the best interpreters of other people's material around. In addition to all those mentioned above I also like 'Rescue Me' from the Taxi LP - a complete re-invention and absolutely lovely.
So what ever happened to the new record?
the one with Eno producing that we see them recording in the BBC doc?
Great thread!
Lovely to read people's fondness for such a massively underrated band - for me there were no bad studio albums - "For Your Pleasure" and "Stranded" are my faves.
For Your Pleasure
miles ahead of Stranded and Country Life, great though they were. But I can still remember the convulsive effect the first album had on me as an impressionable 12 year old, unforgettable.
The Thrill Of It All
A great band indeed, and over time the more Avalon appeals and is probably my favourite now. Couldn't really take to it at the time but reckoned that was probably my fault. And it was.
Even after all these years, I can't think of anyone who has sounded like them.
Virginia Plain
One of only two big hit singles I can think of who save the title for the end of the song...
My favourite is Stranded
mainly due the fact that it has Song for Europe on it and also Mother of Pearl.
I also like Another Time Another Place as a Bryan Ferry solo album. I do not like his recent Dylan cover album very much
I've never heard the Dylan album..
..but Ferry definately has quite a high strike rate for cover versions though there are a few duffers:
GOOD:
The Price of Love
Smoke Gets In Your Eyes
Let's Stick Together (adapted from Canned Heat's "Lets Work Together")
I Put A Spell On You
A Hard Rain's A Gonna Fall
These Foolish Things
BAD:
Jealous Guy (may have been a number one hit but adds nothing to the original and loses the icy piano of Lennon's version)
Eight Miles High (as stated earlier - embarrassing and they even missed a couple of notes out of the original's guitar motif)
Sympathy For The Devil (pointless retread)
Jealous Guy
Nothing comes close to the Faces version. That statement can, of course, be taken in two ways :-)
2, 3 and 4
For Your Pleasure, Stranded and Country Life are my favourites. FYP doesn't have a weak link. The Bogus Man is one of many songs they did (several already mentioned in this thread) that just doesn't sound like anyone else. Is there a wittier song about trend-following than Do The Strand?
Stranded has two of their most extraordinary singles (Street Life and Mother Of Pearl), While Country Life is right up there, with Three And Nine being my favourite of the less well-known songs.
...Bogus Man does sound a bit like...
...10.15 Saturday Night by The Cure but that obviously came afterwards. And it certainly doesn't sound like any other Roxy Music track.
does that make it
a bogus track
....coat got.........
But is there a better sounding
album than "Avalon"? I still marvel at the production on that record, that coolness, the way eveything is so clear. I don't think I have ever been so impressed by the "sound" on any album as much as "Avalon".
Viva Roxy Music's
version of "If There Is Something" is a joy to hear and the whole of pretty much any version of "Out Of The BLue" is still a rush.
Incidentally, with only eight bona fide studio albums has any band ever had an exponentially greater number of compilations/live albums released? There must be over 25 such collections
I still love the old blighter though, even though if you have enough dosh you can basically book him to do a turn at your "works do" and he'll turn up with tapes and run through "Lets stick Together" and one or two
Great to see the unregarded "In Your Mind" get a shout - far better than the over-praised "Bride Stripped Bare"
All I Want Is You
is a much overlooked classic Roxy single IMO
a superb song
their finest single
"If you ever change your mind
I've a certain cure
An old refrain, it lingers on
L'amour, toujours l'amour..."
Cheers!
I think it's the repeated "all I want" from Byron on the outro coda that really endears it to me
and then there's the sucker punch - "Oo-ooH OooH! I'm all cracked up on you"
POW!
Brilliant!
Haven't heard the song for years but I always heard it as...
"Oooh-hoo, I've got a crush on you"
Blast is right
and its just another example of their genius. why fade out when you can end with a weird hook that has nowt to do with the rest of the song?
See also - Streetlife - 'you may be stranded if you stick around, thats reeeally something'
Haven't heard the song for years but I always heard it as...
"Oooh-hoo, I've got a crush on you"
That's my Saturday ruined!
thanks a lot
insert tongue in cheek smiley
and nope!
I've just had it on repeat and my version stands, ner-n-ner
Siren
Does it for me because it's the album that links the original, edgier band with the smoother outfit they would become. The writing is sharp and the playing has got a great blend of muscle and sophistication.
It also features, IMHO, their finest moment - Both ends burning.
For Your Pleasure
Although I like so get the comment up-thread? Like, how Stranded kinda stronger than FYP. Like - duh!! That is like so weird? Well, yeah - but, dude, here's the thing - FYP is like so like totally unique and - woah - wait - Editions of You? Like Tuuune dude.
Sorry about that - typed while daughter watching Wizards of Waverley Place in the background - but FYP is the one for me - although "Song for Europe" from Stranded is monumentally bonkers, utterly pretentious, quintessentially Roxily brilliant.
Indeed a great thread...
I think I started with Manifesto (like Steven) and worked backwards, but somehow missed hearing albums 2,3,4 in my 'formative years' so their contents - bar those that were compiled onto the original (and best) 'Greatest Hits' LP - don't mean so much to me now.
I agree that If There Is Something is outstanding... and I love the first album as a piece... and I love Manifesto as a piece too (greater than the sum of its parts, perhaps)... and it was a lovely surprise to hear the pre-disco versions of the Manifesto singles, especially 'Trash', on the box set... and 'Oh Yeah'/'South Downs' is favourite A & B side combination ever... oh, I could go on... but I won't.
Never took much to Avalon, though.
If anyone else loves 'South Downs' and was baffled (as I was) by the accidental backwards version on the box set, it appears (the right way round) on a various artists compilation I was involved with a while back, 'Live In Hope'. It's the only way to find that one on CD bar a very obscure CD single.
So... WHEN are we going to see deluxe reissues of all the Roxy albums then? And the BBC radio sessions? What's the problem, Universal....?
South Downs
is backwards!?
Yes, I'm afraid so...
...trust me, when you hear it forwards it's a thing of great beauty.
it's a thing of great beauty
backwards
Sorry, had to do this. Just to keep perspective!
The first Roxy/Bryan Ferry thing I bought...
...was the Extended Play single (BF was my first teenage crush)with The Price of Love on it. I then bought all the earlier Roxy & BF albums & all of them since (except re-issues & some of the more recent greatest hits packages). As I have most of them on vinyl, the ones I rebought on CD are my favorite ones & these are Let's Stick Together (I much preferred his re-workings of the Roxy first album tracks on here because the first album sounded much too strange to my young ears at the time), Avalon, & a Roxy greatest hits one that has all my favorite tracks on it. I still think Avalon sounds great today, it doesn't have that terribly dated 80s sound to it with those awful synthdrums etc.
My vinyl version of Manifesto has the rock version of Angel Eyes on it, not the disco-ed up version which I didn't like. Also not too keen on some of his later solo albums eg Mamounia, very boring & over produced; they all sound the same. Am I also the only one to think his voice is sounding weaker & frailer than it used to?
Someone mentioned...
that Virginia Plain was one of two pop singles that only featrure the track's title right at the end of the song. The other one I can think of was "The Prince" by Madness.. was this the one you were thinking of???
Not a single,
but keeping to the Roxy theme, Serenade does the same trick.
and
"Just Like You"
Up The Junction
is the other one usually given as the answer to this
another one.....
...
Stone Roses - "Made of Stone"
Up The Junction
...was indeed the one I was thinking of.
But yes, you're right, The Prince. Nice one. Any advance on three?
Not a single but
the words 'Dark Side Of The Moon' only appear as the last words sung on the album of the same name.
wasn't that
the sun is eclipsed by the moon.
(hums it all the way through....)
OK, you're right. (Thrrrp!)
Im ashamed but
'Journey to the centre of the earth' - Wakeman.
Make that deeply, deeply ashamed.
excuse me gennilm'n
I think you have strayed from the path of Roxyness
Your Application's Failed any thoughts on that ?
One of my proudest moments as a father...
..was a couple of years ago when my then 13 year old daughter said to me: "Dad, have you got any Roxy Music records?"