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The BBC and coverage of the US Mid Terms

Sebastian Beach's picture

An overnight election special on BBC1, interminable coverage on Radio 4 this morning.

Am I the only one who is interested in the outcome but finds the BBC's response totally disproportionate?.

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I am disproportionately....

...interested in US politics, and even *I* think it has been over the top.

I thought the last election coverage was the same, but put it down to the Obama effect. Clearly not.

If you only ever listened to Radio 4, you'd be forgiven for thinking the Tea Party were in power.

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JoLean | 3 November 2010 - 10:21am

The USA is the only foreign country

As far as the BBC is concerned. They never cover, say, the German elections in such detail. Yet, as the most populated country in the EU, it has a great potential to influence the UK economy.

Russia is pretty important too and their elections get virtually no coverage compared to the US minute-by-minute analysis.

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BigJimBob | 3 November 2010 - 1:45pm

I haven't seen/heard any of the coverage

so I'm not sure what you mean by disproportionate, but it seems The Beeb can't win.

There was a report this week revealing that the amount of world news featured in UK newspapers has reduced significantly in recent years. We know less about the wider world and what's going on. The BBC have a lot of coverage about an important event from abroad and it's deemed as too much - what's the happy medium?

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Joe R | 3 November 2010 - 11:15am

I agree with these points

but what about OTHER countries?

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BigJimBob | 3 November 2010 - 11:21am

Quite

Two days ago, the country with the world's eighth-largest economy elected a woman as its president for the first time. What's her name?

See?

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Archie Valparaiso | 3 November 2010 - 11:34am

To you and I

Her name is Mrs President ;)

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Joe R | 3 November 2010 - 11:35am
ChaileyJem | 3 November 2010 - 11:52am

Yeah

And last month there was this bunch of guys, like, stuck down a hole somewhere and then they got out. Who knows where that was?

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MyAmericanMate | 3 November 2010 - 12:24pm

There are OTHER countries?

No, you're completely right, and I was looking at it from a "versus UK news" rather than a "versus other world news" perspective".

A few weeks back, I was watching a recording of the BBC News (long story) from the last day of the Raoul Moat manhunt. Half the time was given to the Moat story and the next main story was the Russian spy swap (as far as I could tell, not much actual news, but hey, there was a leggy redhead and the hint of espionage).

The other stories were servicemen killed in Afghanistan and unrest in Asia. Both, in my opinion, bigger stories of greater importance, but were glossed over in little more than a minute.

It's a bugbear of mine that news reporting is too UK-centric in this country and headlines along the lines of "3 Britons dead" when there have been 200 casualties in an incident, of which three happened to be British, drive me mad. But then, how often do I read up on world news or try and improve my understanding of foreign issues?

Nope, I'm just the same as the rest of them, except I'm a hypocrite, which is probably worse.

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Joe R | 3 November 2010 - 11:34am

This ^

Is why I watch Al Jazeera. Because they actually do world news.

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Fraser Lewry | 3 November 2010 - 11:43am

But often with a distinctly

anti-American bias unfortunately.

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mojoworking | 5 November 2010 - 6:24am

I generally don't find that

Al Jazeera's motto is "the opinion and the other opinion", and for the most part it seems to live up to that - it'll make sure you hear both viewpoints on the stories it covers.

It has been accused of anti-American bias plenty of times, but then again, every single Arab nation has tried to have it closed down at one time or another. I can't vouch for the other Al Jazeera stations, but English seems to genuinely lack an obvious bias. To me at least.

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Fraser Lewry | 5 November 2010 - 9:08pm

cutbacks? what cutbacks

Anybody would think there aren't any cutbacks. The BBC has corresponspondents based over there which is fair enough. Quite why they felt is necessary to spend my money on sending the likes of Asmah Miah (apologies for spelling) from 5Live baffles me.

As to the elections themselves. I'm interested in the sense that I like to know what's going on because the Republicans and the Tea Party are, quite frankly, bonkers. But not so much that I want or need wall to wall coverage. The BBC have some questions to answer not just about this but they send far too many people to events such as the World Cup and Commonwealth Games.

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stuinwolves | 3 November 2010 - 11:46am

simply because...

Aasmah Mir is a presenter, not a correspondent.

The US correspondents have to provide updated news reports for BBC1 bulletins at 1pm 6pm and 10pm, updates every hour on the News Channel, BBC World, Radio 4's Today Programme, The World at One, PM, The World Tonight, Newsnight, for World Service programmes, radio summaries (which go out on Radio 2 and on BBC local radio) and occasionally Radio 1. They also write updates for BBC online, and write their own blogs for the BBC.

They could not also co-present a three-hour live Drive time show as well.

So which would you prefer? 5 Live having a permanent US Correspondent - which you would then argue is a waste of money - or an occasional Outside Broadcast, live from a place where the story is happening, with your regular presenter?

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Ravi Naik | 5 November 2010 - 12:38pm

One for the Boise

Such blanket coverage can have its plus points, though. Without it I'd almost certainly have remained unaware that the name of the governor of Idaho is Butch Otter.

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Archie Valparaiso | 3 November 2010 - 11:59am

This whole Tea Party thing irritates me,

because I find it quite distracting from the actual politics. Now I know it's based on the Boston Tea Party, throwing the tea off the boats into the sea in protest, no taxation without representation, etc. But I cannot hear it without thinking, usually in order, of the following three things:

1) An Alice in Wonderland-style, Mad Hatter's tea party (ideally starring Johnny "Swoon" Depp as the Hatter) but in the style of the psychedelic bit in Easy Rider, all swirling colours etc. With White Rabbit by Jefferson Airplane as the soundtrack, obviously.

2)Lovely afternoon tea taken by sophisticated ladies wearing pearls and hats (not just pearls and hats obviously, that's not that sophisticated): champagne, tea in a bone china pot, a three tier stand with tiny sandwiches with the crusts cut off, delicious little cakes and dainty scones with jam and cream.

3) Wouldn't The Tea Party be a great name for an indie band? Probably something in the mould of Belle and Sebastian... But with more glockenspiel.

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Gauntlet | 3 November 2010 - 12:04pm

Who's with me?

I'm going to form a band now called The Tea Party. We'll write songs about girls with satchels who read Penguin classic novels from second-hand book shops and - sigh - never notice me.

Incidentally, I interviewed a twee pop band the other week. Their latest single may be the sort of thing you had in mind...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Single-Cup-Of-Tea/dp/B003UNPEQO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UT...

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Joe R | 3 November 2010 - 12:14pm

I'm in!

As long as some of our songs are about boys with glasses who read Penguin classic novels from second-hand book shops and - sigh - never notice me...

I'll wear pretty floral dresses, and purple velvet doc marten's, and look wistful.

Love The Momeraths - needs more glockenspiel though.

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Gauntlet | 3 November 2010 - 12:21pm

Boys with glasses who read,

Boys with glasses who read, etc....

Hey, that's me! Where have you been all my life?

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man.of.soup | 3 November 2010 - 1:06pm

Sitting here, on this bench in the park...

staring at the ripples on the water and sighing softly... occasionally writing a poem in my moleskin notebook.... waiting patiently for true love to find me.

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Gauntlet | 3 November 2010 - 1:23pm

Moleskin notebook

... ooohh, stop talkin' doity to me... (;-)

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man.of.soup | 3 November 2010 - 1:37pm

Moleskin Notebook...

... three more from them in session later in the programme.

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Billybob Dylan | 3 November 2010 - 6:47pm

looking wistful or not boy

will you please bring your sister's clothes back

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happy harry | 3 November 2010 - 4:53pm

Actually

When I hear Tea Party I get images of chimps in bowler hats running around throwing their shit at the others.

Maybe that's just me.

As for the name, someone beat you to it

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illuminatus | 3 November 2010 - 1:12pm

Damn them, and their name stealing ways.

I like the sound of "Moroccan Roll" though, even it does sound like a new range from Greggs - Tagine In A Bun.

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Gauntlet | 3 November 2010 - 1:25pm

Are you going to the party?

The phrase Tea Party always makes me think of this:

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stimpy | 3 November 2010 - 1:22pm

BBC and International News

Actually it's not just the BBC. All our media's coverage of internationational affairs is poor and in my view has been declining for years.It seems odd when we are a much more multi-cultural society, better travelled and I would have thought more of us are interested in places and events in parts of the world we know.

I appreciate the US elections will have a bearing on world events but did it really need a six hour election special?. I don't think we even get that for our own local or European elections. BBC coverage of the EU is pitiful and hard to understand when this has more relevance to the UK.

I have never bothered with Al Jazeera but will give it a go on Fraser's recommendation.

Currently I seem to pick up world news from;

From our own correspondent - Radio 4 and one of my weekly podcast listens.Agree with Stuin this pool of excellent hacks seems to be an underused resource by the Beeb.

Unreported World - C4 documentary series and more often than not opens up items previously unknown to me.

Storyville - BBC4's excellent international documentary strand.

The Economist - not a regular reader but there is usually a copy lying around the office where I volunteer.

Any others I should add to this short list?

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Sebastian Beach | 3 November 2010 - 12:11pm

Do you have a DAB?

The World Service might surprise you.

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ganglesprocket | 3 November 2010 - 12:11pm

Unfortunately Not

Live in a remote corner of the Peak District.

We barely get FM

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Sebastian Beach | 3 November 2010 - 12:13pm

Inherent laziness and linguistic indolence

Television news media are lazy. The British are linguistically torpid. Put those two together and the BBC will flock somewhere where they don’t have to work too hard to fill up air time. Easy access, easy quotes, easy pictures. Easy.

As an ex-army brat and itinerant executive I’ve lived all over the world. I’ve left every place. Thanks to the five languages I speak if I want to know about something somewhere I can often go to a news source from that place. I can’t help it if I’m lucky.

One thing I haven’t heard the national media here point out is that yesterday was a series of local elections. Not national. Which makes it all a little less interesting, apart from the host of loons standing for various offices (see lazy, above). Fortunately, most of them made little or no progress overnight.

I could not find any BBC coverage to speak of on Jon Stewart’s ‘Rally to Restore Sanity’ (tagline “I disagree with you but I’m pretty sure you’re not Hitler”). Probably because it was a bunch of reasonable people holding placards with witty, reasonable slogans spelled correctly. Who here is interested in that? We want things that feed our delusional misguided stereotypes about a place we only know about from the pictures.

Probably of most interest to the readers here is that Linda Ronstadt’s ex-boyfriend beat E-bay’s ex-CEO.

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MyAmericanMate | 3 November 2010 - 12:20pm

Local elections?

Wasn't it electing people to the House of Representatives and the Senate, so electing the national government? I mean, we elect MPs to the House of Commons - and those are national elections...

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Gauntlet | 3 November 2010 - 12:29pm

Oh Gauntlet

You've just thrown down a..er..

You should stick with being linguistically torpid, unless of course you're not British in which case my apologies for generalising.

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Ahh_Bisto | 3 November 2010 - 12:36pm

Oooh Bisto

Wide sweeping cultural and racial generalisations, regardless of accuracy, are, I have found, allowable, encouraged and even up arrowed on this site. Provided they go the direction of the Massive. Just don't say anything nasty about whomever made those generalisations. That is a bad thing, indeed.

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MyAmericanMate | 3 November 2010 - 3:13pm

I've got some salt,

some vinegar, some mayonnaise, some curry sauce, some pepper, some salad cream, some tartar sauce and some mushy peas.

Any or all of the above should go well with that chip on your shoulder.

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Joe R | 3 November 2010 - 3:19pm

Joe R your insults were personal and hurtful

But I don’t reckon you’ll lose any sleep over that. I mention it for other reasons. Firstly, it rather puts paid to the self perpetuating myth that this is a site for all viewpoints and that disagreement is expressed gently. Secondly, I’m surprised the moderator has not intervened and asked you to be less personal. I think I’ve left it long enough to see if that would happen.

My remarks about the BBC’s coverage were not personal toward anyone but rather reflected a belief I hold.

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MyAmericanMate | 4 November 2010 - 4:59pm

Oh, come ON.

MAM, Joe's comments were indeed personal, but light-hearted and reflective of something that I also recognise in your posts: a fascination, bordering on slight obsession, with the representation of matters American by the British. You do, quite evidently, have a chip on your shoulder about your perception of how shabbily your country is presented in this one, and you weigh in almost every time the word "America" is posted on the site with something cross or snide. To be honest, "cross and snide" would seem to be a not unreasonable description of your habitual style.

I really, really doubt that I'm the only person to think this.

I notice, incidentally, on the Guardian website, that you have had some unpleasant things to say about Britain yourself. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

I'm not one for the personal disagreement, and I have no appetite for a flame war or a pile-on, but seriously. You're becoming a single-issue poster, and a near-paranoid one at that.

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Bob | 4 November 2010 - 5:34pm

Why surprised?

As I've told you before

It's to be expected that things get heated from time to time, and most of the time I'll leave people to sort things out amongst themselves.

To be honest, as the person most responsible in the last few months for ensuring that disagreement isn't expressed gently, bemoaning the shattering of this "myth" is somewhat ironic.

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Fraser Lewry | 4 November 2010 - 5:31pm

Well

Despite idiotbear doing a sterling job of defending my honour, I thought I should reply, and the only reason I hadn't earlier was because I wasn't on the blog yesterday.

My remarks were personal yes, insofar as they had they word, "you", in them. But hurtful? Really? They were intended to prick your bubble a bit, yes, but I wouldn't have said them if I thought you'd be genuinely hurt. To be honest, after you've just criticised the entire readership of a blog (many of whom I consider friends of mine), I think you'd expect some sort of comeback. And although the up arrows aren't exactly the most failsafe way of analysing data and gleaning watertight theories on popular opinion, it would seem as if people are tending to agree with me on this one.

Finally, I know nothing of you, your history or your background. What I do know, however, is that you're very defensive and seem to approach posting on here as a one-man crusade where the whole world's against you. Most people grow out of that state of mind by the age of around 15.

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Joe R | 5 November 2010 - 10:15am

"hosts of loons"

And provided it's a liberal describing people who aren't.

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Richard Lowe | 3 November 2010 - 4:26pm

*de-lurks*

From where I'm sitting on the sidelines, the irony is that you inevitably respond to these "generalisations" by making more of your own. Like "The British are linguistically torpid". Or like "you folks never learn". Or my favourite (this comes from a quick Google search, and is from the Guardian blog, where it appears you've been similarly responsive to such slurs), "this island is a tiny, mean little club." It's quite funny at face value, but it does tend to rather undermine your points.

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Bela Legosis Dad | 3 November 2010 - 4:47pm
stimpy | 3 November 2010 - 6:09pm

I'll assume the difference

between the US and UK forms of government and how its representatives are chosen/elected is clear. Or maybe it isn't.

Senate elections are state wide and they represent what they claim to see as their state's issues. The also campaign heavily on those issues. Barbara Boxer fortunately beat Carly Fiorina (she, ex HP CEO and not a very good one). In the Labour safe seat where I live, I've never had the candidate nor any of his representatives darken my doorstep. His campaign literature was not about what's important to us here in Mate Manor and our corner of the Big Smoke.

House elections are fought over patches smaller than London Boroughs. And less densely populated than the Upson Downs. Representatives (as opposed to Senators) are elected on how local issues will be represented on the national stage. It's a chance for some podunk backwater to feel its got a voice in Washington.

The old adage about laws and sausages. Most significant legislation is laden with local riders.

So yes, these elections were local.

Alaska is looking at a write-in candidate beating Palin's chosen one. Haven't check for a while.

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MyAmericanMate | 3 November 2010 - 12:50pm

So the only national election is the Presidential one?

I take your point about the importance of local issues both in who gets elected, and what bills get passed. But I would still call this a national election, as those elected form a national government. I would call the election of those to State/ County/ City governments local elections. Similar to MPs vs Councillors here, I guess.

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Gauntlet | 3 November 2010 - 12:59pm

You're quite right about the

lack of BBC coverage about the Rally to Restore Sanity. Channel 4 gave it a bit, but I'm not sure that they got the point either.

Oh well..and speaking of signs...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-100-best-signs-at-the-rally-to-restor...

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ivan | 3 November 2010 - 1:00pm

Thanks ivan

Really like the signs.

If Channel 4 covered it, it's because they carry the Daily Show.

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MyAmericanMate | 3 November 2010 - 1:10pm

The Daily Show

Many Brits lazily state that; "the yanks don't get irony." Yeah right. Apart from the Two Johns - who are treated as the undercard for Rory Bremner - is there any UK programme that so neatly skewers the political zeitgeist as John Stewart and gang? I can't see the NOW Show managing to motivate a situationist march on London.

My one piece of must see telly at the mo is 8.30 weekdays on More 4.

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BigJimBob | 3 November 2010 - 1:43pm

BBC News website

did cover, as well as Mark Mardell wrtitng some blog pieces about the dynamics of the event and whether it had any mass resonance.

But the mid-terms has been overkill, even for someone like me who is interested in the internation stuff. I gave it a misss and waited to hear some of the results this morning.

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illuminatus | 3 November 2010 - 1:19pm
Mark JF | 3 November 2010 - 1:59pm

I did say no coverage

"to speak of". I saw those two. And only those two. If I, living in the UK, have to search out the World Service for coverage, then the one remaining piece in the BBC news site about an election of such earth shattering importance (given Auntie's saturation coverage), then that ain't coverage.

Glad you thought it was "good". However a "rant" it clearly was not. Maybe read it sitting down this time, with a nice cup of tea.

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MyAmericanMate | 3 November 2010 - 2:50pm

in fairness to MAM

I know that on saturday I checked out the main http://news.bbc.co.uk site and clicked North America, only to find nothing.

It's possible that something appeared later on in the day, but I'm pretty sure that, as at, say, six in the evening there was nothing on that page to do with it.

I didn't see the main evening news that night on the Beeb, so don't know what it got there. As I've said, Channel 4, and RTE gave it coverage in their TV bulletins.

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ivan | 3 November 2010 - 3:05pm

I love Jon Stewart and The Daily Show

I missed would have missed the coverage of the rally if I had not been able to follow live feeds from many, many US media outlets.
But does a rally of 300,000 people in Washington aimed at highly internalised issues warrant a place in the schedules of British main TV news channel? Particularly if we are arguing about whether we should have seen the so much coverage of the mid-terms.
Of course the answer lies in the changed media environment, if you can't find news on the BBC about the Rally for Sanity, go elsewhere. The BBC knows this.
I'd be surprised (and a little disappointed being such a disciple of the show) if enough people across Britain were interested in it to merit a spot on the news - what's its viewing figure on More 4? About 500,000 I would imagine.

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PaddyH | 3 November 2010 - 3:41pm

it quite possibly doesn't, Paddy.

We're both, presumably, in the 'Yay Jon Stewart' camp, as we were both following it from our PCs; the only point I make is that Channel 4 and RTE appeared to give it more prominence.

A pal of mine went along to the Rally and he was going on the basis that whilst it was 'aimed at highly internalised issues' he quite fancied the idea of the global media (and by this, I'm thinking he means outlets like the Beeb, which have 'authority') carrying a story that showed, and I quote, "that we're not all complete and utter fundamentalist fuckwads".

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ivan | 3 November 2010 - 3:42pm

I agree that the story should have been covered

But I can also see the reason why the Beeb didn't have it on mainstream/ prime time over here - Colbert for instance is probably virtually unknown to all but TDS viewers.
And, to be fair to editors, the rally is a difficult story to tell satisfactorily - it wasn't 'for' anything tangible and irony played a high profile part in its inception, that's always a tough gig.
C4 are hosts of TDS and its news programme is the most left of centre and internationally focussed mainstream TV news show in Britain - that's why they did it.
RTÉ? Dunno - I rarely see its news any more.

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PaddyH | 3 November 2010 - 4:39pm

points all taken on your media analysis

as for missing out on RTE News....

You know what, they could tell me that we're all being shunted off to the gulags tomorrow morning so as to get us out of the unholy financial mess, but if the news was delivered by the lovely Sharon, with *that* husky voice, I don't think I'd give half a frig...

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ivan | 3 November 2010 - 4:44pm

I notice that the aesthetically

unchallenged newsreaders down south of the border are gaelgoirs. Was there something in the water in the Gaelteacht some years ago or is there a deeper political undercurrent?
Sile Seoige...

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PaddyH | 3 November 2010 - 6:35pm

y'noticed how we tried

to export Gráinne did you?

What actually happened was that Teilifís na Gaeilge, set up in 97/98 went and unashamedly scouted for, what scientists and media analysts alike term 'utter rides' to present the news and weather.

Subtitles, plus aesthetically unchallenged news/weather presenter equals rather large viewing figures. Hell, I know lads (oh fuckit, I was one) who were known to ask the barman in the student bar to 'turn on the Nuacht on TG4, will ya...no...s'allright, the sound is grand the way it is...'

few years on, RTE came a knockin' for them!

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ivan | 3 November 2010 - 6:42pm

My favourite placard

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PaddyH | 3 November 2010 - 3:54pm

Slightly

You're right on the Jon Stewart/Colbert thing, and wrong on most other stuff.

The elections were local in name and structure only. If you look at the themes used in the election, particularly by the GOP, there was a lot of commonality. To pretend each was local and had its own unique flavor is a little un realistic.

If you spread a net over the GOP candidates - winners and losers - there would be huge degree of overlap.
Listen to the vox pop interviews - no-one I heard was voting on local issues, but on the bigger national picture

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sitheref2409 | 5 November 2010 - 1:08am

I've lived all over the world. I've left every place.....

Fantastic! An unannounced Bowie reference. I'll scan your future posts for more of same....

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Vorgongod | 9 November 2010 - 2:43pm

Mob handed

I too revere the Beeb but i read somewhere that the Beeb had getting on for 200 people in the US for the Presedential elections where Channel 4 had about 5. Which seems disproportionate to me.

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Twangothan | 3 November 2010 - 1:12pm

Disproportionate indeed

Considering they're both funded by a TV tax.

Channel 4 could have made it more interesting by having Jamie or Gordon cook an election meal then swap with some Americans whilst doing up their house and trying to decide between home or the sun and the BBC could have presented it all Regency drama.

Why can't they spend our tax money more wisely? Or at least more entertainingly.

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MyAmericanMate | 3 November 2010 - 1:15pm

At risk of repeating myself from earlier...

Channel 4 news =
2 evening bulletins, (one on C4, the other on More 4),
some TV summaries, and C4 online.
That's why there's only 5 of them.

The BBC =
Rolling news coverage on the News Channel
Rolling news coverage on BBC World News
BBC 1 Lunchtime news, 6pm news and 10pm news
Newsnight
BBC America coverage
Today
The World at One
PM
the 1800 (6pm news sequence on R4)
The World Tonight
Correspondents popping up on 5 live Breakfast,
the Victoria Derbyshire programme,
The Gabby Logan Show,
the Richard Bacon show, Drive,
The Tony Livesey show,
and Up All Night
Correspondents providing coverage on the Jeremy Vine show on R2
Radio Summaries (your news bulletins on Radio 2, Radio 4 and BBC Local Radio)
Newsbeat
and BBC Online.

If you sit down and work out how many BBC TV and Radio programmes there are, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to work out that there are a vast number of them. That's why the BBC always sends more people than Sky or Channel 4. Don't forget that what you hear on air is the work of many many people, the reason it looks so simple to do is that the people who do it, are very good at it.

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Ravi Naik | 6 November 2010 - 9:44am

Odd I posted much the same yesterday

but the creaky old site crashed and I couldn't bothered typing it all out again.
I get annoyed by the way that senior journos race over the Atlantic to give us their "whither the nation" pieces while bothering people in "small town diners" trying to eat lunch. It's Jim Naughtie and Jon Snow getting off on their West Wing fantasies of being Danny Cincannon.
Also no one never admits the outcome won't really change much at all for all the rhetoric of Tea Party the day to day politics of US is much the same today as yesterday, emphasis might have changed a little but the major forces are still there.

Oh and then there's the scary presence of "Katty Kay" BBC world new's very own undercover superhero truly a force of nature. Thankfully reducing the airtime of the king of smug Matt Frei.

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Chris G | 3 November 2010 - 2:32pm

Yeah, I bet that

failure Jon Snow fantasises about being back on the politics beat and being a fictional character.
And I couldn't disagree with you more on the subject of Matt Frei - his Americana show on R4 is brilliant and he is a versatile and informed journalist who makes a great job of World News America.
His documentary on Berlin weren't half bad either, by all accounts.

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PaddyH | 3 November 2010 - 4:49pm

You obviously

didn't see Matt Frei hamming it up during the Haiti earthquake coverage and he was immensely irritatingly portentous during the recent Chilean mine rescue. Particularly during the outbreak of everyone at the BBC starting to say "Chilaaay" all of sudden.
The existence of a show called "Americana" does reinforce the general thesis that BBC etc focus on America to detriment of our nearest neighbours. The coverage this week with some expectations of UK & France sharing warships etc hasn't got much further than old (and wrong in the history of dodgy WWII jokes) about french tanks only having reverse gears etc
I like you haven't seen the Berlin documents so can't say either way.

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Chris G | 3 November 2010 - 5:30pm

Frei's a good anchor

He like a lot of others didn't cover themselves in glory in either Chile or Haiti.
As for there being toouch of a focus on the US, Americana is the latest in a line dating back to Alistair Cooke.
You must not have been watching Tim Collins and Malcolm Rifkind on Newsnight talking about the Anglo French defence agreement, the Entente Fraudial as it has been called it.

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PaddyH | 3 November 2010 - 6:36pm

we'll have to agree to differ on Mr Smug

I'm not arguing for no America coverage just more from elsewhere, I did see Newsnight which is why i said "with some exceptions" but the mainstream coverage of this deal ,has been poor especially as half the news staff were off pestering "Tea Party" members with badly spelt signs.

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Chris G | 3 November 2010 - 6:45pm

Fair enough, lad

I do think that the presentation of US politics has influenced our own system so much that we are locked into current news agendas.
I also think that the US really is the best political story in town at the minute. Not only is it culturally close to us it has a compelling narrative - a hugely charismatic, black leader, a failure to achieve the
promise, a massive movement of angry and loud tea baggers.
But you are right, news agendas have always been skewed.
What I want to know is: What the feck does Berlusconi have to do to get moved further up the running orders/ news lists?
Just google his name and the words 'bunga bunga'.

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PaddyH | 3 November 2010 - 7:43pm

I think problem for Italians

(from what I've read etc) is that they can't see any alternative to Berlusconi, as bad as he is even his opponents can't see an obvious replacement. But it is amazing how he's clung to power for so long just one of his scandals would have seen out of office over here. The "Harry and Paul" sketch being just a live feed from his CCTV apparently.

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Chris G | 3 November 2010 - 8:32pm

Whatsa wrong with being

sexy?

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Mr Fade | 3 November 2010 - 11:41pm

is

he from wales?

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gaz | 9 November 2010 - 2:03pm

just a thought

Notwithstanding the obvious attractions of an expenses-paid transatlantic jaunt on the public dime, there is perhaps another reason why the Beeb 'went big' on the mid-terms.

It has invested so much emotional and intellectual capital in the Obama project that the fear of it all going pear-shaped was almost bound to generate an unusually intense level of analysis.

The coverage of the 2008 presidential election -IMHO- represented something a landmark, in the sense that so firmly was the Beeb behind Obama that, for the first time, even the pretence of impartiality was abandoned in favour of pushing the received narrative, namely that their man was the chosen one.

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DC Eisenhower | 4 November 2010 - 12:38am

"Not a good result"

Peter Allen linking to Aasmar Mr in Florida, 5Live drive yesterday: "not a good result".
Not "not a good result for Obama"; or "not a good result for the Democrats"; just "not a good result".
The shocking thing is that things like that aren't shocking. As you say, the saintly BBC doesn't even bother pretending to be impartial when it comes to American politics.

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Richard Lowe | 4 November 2010 - 6:46pm

one example

I heard something on Radio 5 during the presidential election that made me think that some things at the Beeb were truly beyond repair.

Dom Joli was hosting a Sunday morning show and was interviewing a number of guests on the subject of the forthcoming election. The American goalkeeper Marcus Hahnemann was asked if he would be sending in a postal vote. He replied in the affirmative, stating that his family, from several generations back, was firmly Republican.

Joli said: "oh ... that's a bit weird". Cue awkward pause.
Mr Hahnemann, to his credit, handled this slight with good manners and no little grace.

A couple of things are remarkable about this. First, Joli was clearly confident that he had the license to be rude to a guest and to write off about 46% of the American electorate; in other words, to be explicitly and unequivocally partisan on a political show.

The second remarkable thing comes from the realisation that Joli's bewilderment about Hahnemann's support for the Republicans was actually genuine. He was truly shocked that the goalie could have those political views.

The word 'bias' is inadequate in a case like this, because the notion of bias infers an understanding that you are favouring one position as opposed to another. You choose to discriminate because you are aware that you have a favoured position.

What should we call it when someone is literally unable to understand or appreciate that other people might have another, entirely legitimate, take on things?

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DC Eisenhower | 4 November 2010 - 8:44pm

Well,

"What should we call it when someone is literally unable to understand or appreciate that other people might have another, entirely legitimate, take on things?"

I'd go for 'depressingly common'.

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illuminatus | 5 November 2010 - 12:52am

DC

Dom Joly was a guest presenter on a show produced not by the BBC, but by an independent for the network - not that it excuses his ignorance or preconceived ideas. It does rather signify a lazy, ill informed perception of US politics which should always be highlighted and countered. As an idiotic comedian and a complete political lightweight I have never warmed to, we should also ask whether he should allowed to tackle such issues in the first place.
However, I think it is grossly unfair to use this episode as a signifier of 5Live's output or that of the corporation as a news gatherer.
Peter Allen's comments to Asmah Mir (ah, lovely Asmah. A big Celt, too) were a way of framing the story in the most understandable way for the mass British radio audience: it was a terrible night for Obama. He wasn't saying it was a terrible night altogether.
Most Brits' knowledge of American politics recently will be framed by the story of Obama and the stupid, misguided fairytale promise it seemed to herald after the deeply unpopular presidency of George W Bush. It was, after all, Bush's intellectual failings, links to evil corporate thefts and the Iraq War, which made him a hate figure among many in this country and saw the Obama story gain such a currency of misguided hope.
The story has to be given context for a British audience within its own most recognisable parameters of understanding.
I would also broach that figures like Justin Webb have rightly been promoted to tackle perceptions of the BBC being anti-American and anti-Conservative.

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PaddyH | 5 November 2010 - 1:39am

Added nuance

Not, I think, massively wrong.

But I think that there is one element of your assessment of the Obama campaign and Presidency that you miss.

The GOP helped drive further division in US society and politics - many of those who opposed were slandered as "unpatriotic". There was a growing element that actually prized division.

Obama seemed to be presenting an ideal of cooperation - one nation-ness, if you will. An African American man, less than great background. This could be the man who could unite the nation.

Or, not. He has had a lot of trouble to deal with. he has presentational issues - great in delivering a speech, less great when the speech is analyzed for substance. He started to lose some of the base by how he went about medical reform and DADT.

The Tea Party hasn't stood FOR anything. They're the classic "anti" party, and is the GOP writ extreme. What they tapped into - quite brilliantly - was the dissatisfaction with "The Man". If you look at displaced incumbents, agnostic of party, that gives a better sense of the degree of upset that went on over here.

All of which is to say that there isn't any single issue, reason or cause for what happened. A bunch of complex issues that came together.

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sitheref2409 | 5 November 2010 - 3:01am

Standing for something

It's simply untrue to say that the Tea Party don't stand for anything or that they are the GOP writ large. Since the Christian Coalition and the religious right came to dominate the GOP in the late 80s,the Republican party went from being a party of small-government, fiscally conservative but otherwise broad church devotees to one that was dominated by social conservatism to the exclusion of all else. The upshot was that the US ended up with Bush II, the ultimate big government social conservative. This left the party's natural constituency - fiscal conservatives who weren't much exercised by what anyone else did in the privacy of the bedroom - with nowhere to go. The Tea Party is looking to seize back the GOP for those voters. It's instructive that the Rick Santelli rant that got the whole thing going in February 2009 was against the absurdity of the US federal government bailing out profligate mortgage borrowers at the expense of those who had lived within their means, and the moral hazard that that bail-out presented. This was a plea for acceptance of personal responsibility in a society where habitually blamed others for personal misfortune, and habitually looked for recompense from the courts or from the bloated organs of government. That is surely standing for something.

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Prunesquallor | 8 November 2010 - 1:43am

Paddy

I'm not convinced by your arguments in defence of the Beeb in this case.

If I buy a sandwich on the train from Glasgow to Edinburgh this morning and it gives me food poisoning, I'm not going to sue McTumshie's Catering. I'm going to sue Scotrail, who have a duty of care to me as a customer. Scotrail may well choose to review their contract with McTumshie's, but will ultimately accept responsibility for selling me that dodgy sandwich.

Dom Joli was on the Beeb, ergo the Beeb is responsible for allowing him to indulge his lightweight dogmatism. For what it's worth, I would put Gabby Logan and Richard Bacon in the same category; Bacon's tweets on Sarah Palin alone render him virtually unfit to host any political discussion on an 'impartial' broadcaster like the BBC.

Your defence of Peter Allen is even flimsier, I'm afraid.

You say his comments were about "framing the story in an understandable way". Surely an understandable way to present the news would have been to say 'a bad result for Obama' or 'a bad night for the Democrats'? I would suggest that the 'story' that needs framing, i.e. that stuff about "Bush's intellectual failings, links to evil corporate thefts" and so on, was part of a narrative that was shaped by, among others, the BBC. Allen was trying, in effect, to apologise for the failure of the narrative that he had himself helped to create. Whatever that is, it's not 'news'.

sitheref2409 - In your comments about the Tea Party, you appear to use the term 'anti-party' in a pejorative sense (if I'm wrong, please forgive me for the misunderstanding).
If one believes, as those within the broad church of the Tea Party appear to do, that mainstream politics is hopelessly bereft of ideas, imagination, credibility and any genuine notions of civic or fiscal responsibility, then the creation of a true 'anti-party' is a bold, noble and -dare I say it- revolutionary move.
'Anti-Party', in that context, is high praise indeed.

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DC Eisenhower | 5 November 2010 - 9:22am

By the way

How much coverage does CNN domestic or Fox News give to UK news in the states?

As there seems to be much analysis of the depth and breadth of the UK (in particular the BBCs coverage) of the US midterms on this thread, I just wondered how extensive the reciprocal coverage of our General elections is?

Perhaps an American menber of the massive can enlighten me.

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Ravi Naik | 5 November 2010 - 9:42pm
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