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The Band You Grew Out Of
Last night I watched Part One of the Queen: Days Of Our Lives documentary and it was a bit like walking past an old girlfriend in the street. I realised that however much I had once loved them I hadn't given them a second thought in thirty years.
Between A Night At The Opera (age 11) and The Game (age 16) I was held spellbound by this band and if you consider the years, '75-'80, you can appreciate what I gave up in my devotion to Freddie and the boys. Being too young for Prog and too parochial for Punk, I thought they were the coolest thing in the world (I'm from Eastbourne; you couldn't smell the zeitgeist over the salt and the seagull shit). They had satin tour jackets, and their own crest, and girls on bikes in the nuddy. They were the first proper band I saw live - Wembley, 7 December 1980 - the night Lennon died.
Their first seven albums were the aural wallpaper in my bedroom, and for a while the actual wallpaper too - I Blu-Tacked the sleeves above my bed. One night A Day At The Races fell down and I woke up with my face in its gatefold embrace. If you'd asked me, before yesterday, what was on my turntable the night the Seventies ended I'd probably say it was London Calling or Armed Forces, but actually that came later. I think it was probably Live Killers.
I would have popped with pubescent ecstacy when Another One Bites The Dust went to No.1 in America but then they brought out Hot Space with all its dreadful cash-in disco funk, and I played it once and that was it. I was seventeen by then and I knew shite when I heard it. Fred's moustache and Brian's hair made me want to punch them for deceiving me all those years, and I stopped trying to be Roger Taylor and decided to be Steve Jansen from Japan instead. I traded in the satin jacket and Aviators for a greatcoat and Ray-Bans. Queen shrugged off my contempt and went on to world-rogering success. I went off to college, left the Queen albums in a cupboard at home, and never listened to them again.
So that was the Band I Grew Out Of. What was your BIGOO?
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Pretty much all heavy metal
In my early teens it was metal which first enthused me and turned me into a record buyer. By the time I was about 15 the passion had faded for all sorts of reasons. I already found that I had heard most of it before, the metal look was an effective girl-repellent, more song-based writing started to grab my attention, and, mainly, I started finding the sweaty denim'n'leather posturing too silly for words, and was too precious to revel in the silliness of it all.
To name a BIGOO? Probably Saxon.
REM
because boy do they sound lazy now. Green was a fantastic album and then it all went downhill. Give us a break Stipe.
A very interesting post Captain.
And a hard one to reply to.
I'll have to say Simple Minds. I was about ten when Don't You Forget About Me got to number one. There didn't seem to be an awful lot of Scottish music success at that time, and in spite of the pop pages of the Daily Record being full of bands like Hipsway, Love and Money, Win et al no one seemed to be bothering the charts apart from Simple Minds. To a wee boy from Cumbernauld they were an blazing image of anything being possible.
And I have to say, miracle of miracles, the first album of theirs I got was a good one. Being short of pocket money I bought a cassette of Sons and Fascination/Sister Feelings call because it had the most songs and cost the same as all of the others. This was pop but really weird in a good way. I'd sit for hours with a walkman on, playing and playing it. Plus the other albums were good as well. Hell at the time, I even liked Once Upon A Time when that came out.
The wobbles began with "Live In The City Of Light." I liked Simple Minds for weird pop reasons, this was clodhopping stuff. "Maybe they just aren't that good live" I thought. Then Street Fighting Years appeared.
It just sounded gauche to me. Simple Minds were getting political ("You talk about South Africa I tell you about the Irish children" Single worst lyric in the history of music) but succeeding in sounding idiotic. Belfast Child was actually painful. Then I saw them live.
Up till then I had seen Metallica, Anthrax and Iron Maiden. So explosions, robot zombies and crowd surfing featured. Simple Minds played interminably, it was just boring. But by this time, in that crowd I had an epiphany. No one liked Simple Minds really, this crowd were there just out of habit. Like me, they loved a band that had finished five years earlier, but they hadn't grown up enough to admit it to themselves. But I had.
Bollocks of course. Simple Minds had just "gone crap" as many bands do, but they were the first band who did that in my lifetime. I bid them a fond goodbye. Every few years I stick on my 12" of I Travel, the only tune of theirs I still have and remember 80's Scotland. Then I haul it off, shuddering with horror.
Eh?
"No one liked Simple Minds really, this crowd were there just out of habit. Like me, they loved a band that had finished five years earlier, but they hadn't grown up enough to admit it to themselves. But I had."
I'm not disputing the Minds went crap, but the idea that 'the crowd' were there out of some sort of duty... I would imagine most people were there because they really liked what they were doing. In fact, I'd guess that a good proportion were hoping they didn't play any of that "weird stuff from their early days".
I recently bought S&F/SFC on CD (lost the vinyl) and enjoyed it immensely.
Did you read the next sentence?
"Bollocks of course." I am channelling my equally gauche self at the time.
Er...
No, apparently not. Sorry...
With you there on Simple Minds
The Minds were from our neck of the woods. Some of us knew his brother, if not him, so we looked out for them. I thought at first they would not amount to much because their first album was so mediocre, then they rattled off two splendid albums in quick succession.
When did I go off the boil with them ? Well they did have a tendency for peculiar choices from early on (that version of "Street Hassle", oh dear...) but I think I just moved on, as indeed they did. "Sparkle In The Rain" was perfectly serviceable pop but I never loved it like I did the shiny electronica on "Empires and Dance" or "Reel To Real Cacophony" and their stuff seemed increasingly meat-and-potatoes even before they went into their full-on Crap period. Plus Jim Kerr, never backwards in coming forwards, was getting into full-on sub-Bono messianic mode, which eventually started to get on my wick. The last time I saw them Jim Kerr had one of those Julian Cope climbing frame seats, and I just thought "OFFS". Plus round this time I started to mess about in other genres and not be so dedicated to white boys with guitars.
I probably saw Simple Minds more than any other band at the time, including five times in a six month period, and they could be a terrific live band, especially in Tiffany's. However now if they were playing across the street I am not sure I'd open my curtains.
In their defence....
Did anyone see Simple Minds on the recent tour where they performed New Gold Dream in its entirety?
They were brilliant. Not enjoyed a show as much for years. Even the meat n tatties songs they played towards the end (Don't You, Alive and Kicking, Waterfront etc...) sounded decent.
I struggled with them when Kerr decided he'd become a mini-Bono but I don't think it was a "growing out of" stage, rather a realisation that the soul had been exchanged for corporate cock rock. Suppose Razorlight and Stereophonics would be contemporary similar example of Sick Boy's theory.
I think like most teenagers, I grew out of heavy metal. As 13/14 year old, I loved the imagery, the smell and the sound of metal. Maiden and Metallica in particular. Still get a thrill when I catch the intro to Battery.
the clips
i saw from that tour sounded ok musically...but kerr's voice was shot to fuck by years of "huffing n' puffing"...
strangely enough i know a few guys who like nothing after "sparkle in the rain" (one album too far i'd say) and still go to see them on every tour, pleasuring themselves on an odd "theme for great cities" or "changelling"...
but, i reiterate, not a band i grew out of..just a band that sniffed the arse of the dollar and proceeded to felate lucifer...
i did grow out of u2 though..had the first four albums, saw them twice..now can't abide anything by the fuckers...bongo simply cannot sing worth a fart... and unfortunately that's only the beginning of his ailments
The minds...
I saw their very first gig as Simple Minds at the start of 78 and went almost every Sunday to their residency at The Mars Bar in Howard Street. They were a six piece back then. I love the demos (bootlegs) from that period.
I stayed with them for a few years but I lost interest sometime before Live Aid.
I still like some of their stuff from the early period but, for surre, I grew out of them.
Never did see Johnny & the Self Abusers though....
Your line...
"you couldn't smell the zeitgeist over the salt and the seagull shit" is magnificent. Have an up.
What tended to happen with me was this: I grew out of bands that I had once taken terribly seriously because it dawned on me that they were ridiculous (Yes, ELP, Rush) and then years later realized that I liked ridiculous music and grew back into listening to those acts again. Glad I did.
Patrick, are you me?
See below...
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Wait! Come back!
It all started before I ever heard a note. I saw the cover of Tarkus in the racks at Beatties Department Store in Birkenhead in 1971 and I was immediately smitten. What wonderful music could possibly lurk behind that cover?
I didn't get to hear Tarkus for years - but then 'Pictures at an Exhibition' came out, at a budget price of £1.50, I seem to remember. Which my pocket money would stretch to (assuming I saved up for a couple of months).
Brought up on a diet of T Rex and Slade, this was a different kettle of fish altogether. Based (obviously) on Mussorgsky's classical piece, it was a bit more challenging.
"If I listen to this" I thought, "People will think I'm clever. Girls will swoon and the big boys will want to be my friend".
Gentle Reader, they didn't. But I was undeterred.
I bought Trilogy, followed by Brain Salad Surgery. Wonderful stuff. Synthesizers! Polyphonic Synthesisers! Drum Synthesizers! Bass Guitars!
And then, one wonderful day, I got to see them. Liverpool Empire, on the 'Welcome Back My Friends...' tour. I bought the ELP medallion and the programme, and sat back in expectation. The Persian Rug was on stage, along with the BIG Synthesiser and the hapless Hammond, awaiting daggerage. There was a BIG GONG behind the drumkit.
The lights dimmed and the show began. And it was everything I expected it to be. Carl's drumkit rotated. Keith's organ got stabbed. He ran through the crowd with his ribbon synthesizer. Greg played bass and sang a bit.
I came out a happy boy. Had I died that night, I would have lived a life fulfilled.
And then came 1977 and the world changed.
POSTSCRIPT: Many years later, I went out and repurchased all the albums I'd traded back in 1977. And do you know, there's still a lot of fun to be had getting your prog on from time to time...
£1,49.
CP had two gongs. And it would have been the Brain Salad Surgery, otherwise known as the Get Me A Ladder, tour. 1974. That was the last UK tour before the numerous reunions many years later.
Trilogy is my fave. The only one I held onto during and after the Punk Rock Wars.
It was the BSS tour
I just meant it was the one "immortalised" on the WBMFTTSTNE...L&G,EL&P triple album!
I saw them at Wembley Empire Pool (cough)
A couple of nights before you would have seen them in Liverpool. Blisteringly loud and unless you were sitting in the middle of the arena, the Quad PA was otherwise a waste of time.
Having said that, they did side 2 of Pictures as an encore and they seriously rocked that. Good gig.
u old progger you
Ive heard it referred to as pomp rock. I still stick some Yes and Genesis on and find it stimulating and fascinating. It was only pomp to those that couldnt play more than4 chords ont heir guitar and needed a capo for a key change.
They are probably just as talented now
Candyman
Tarkus.check
ELP ,check
Marc Bolan check
Going to Prog gigs check
Wistful postcscript check
Paul, You are Danny Baker and i claim my ten pounds.
So, Mr Crout (or can I call you 'Sour')...
Red sauce, brown sauce, or no sauce at all?
Ah, rookie mistake
The real Danny would know that Sour Crout's name refers to Lionel Jefferies' prison officer in the film 'Two Way Stretch'.
This would mean a lengthy dissection of The Railway Children (Daddy, My daddy) and he would have said 'May I call you Grandpa Potts?'
Curses!
And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you pesky kids!
Well, probably Nirvana.
And that's no comment on the quality of their music, which I still rate extremely highly. They were the first band I was properly obsessive about, and that obsession lasted well into my twenties (I was thirteen when Nevermind came out). My friend Roo and I used to, as 20-year-olds, see kids with the smiley-face t-shirt on and long to go up to them and give them a quiz to check if they knew anything about the band. We had a phrase for it: "out-facting". That's the kind of fans we were. We had every recording we could get our hands on, devoured every book we could find on them, placed them on a pedestal of Trafalgar Square proportions.
But at some point, possibly five or six years ago, they stopped connecting with me. Perhaps that's the point at which I stopped being a teenager: twenty-seven or twenty-eight.
Because they are for teenagers, are Nirvana. There's a solipsism and a self-conscious introversion about them which is uniquely teenage: the sense that your "problems" and "pain" are unique and special and that you are exceptionally sensitive, and that your sensitivity and intelligence are being deliberately attacked by the adult/corporate/mainstream world. You wallow in it. Nirvana are the sound of wallowing.
When I was sixteen, "I Hate Myself And I Want To Die" meant something. Now it just means I need to contact my GP.
Replace Nirvana
with The Smiths, and that's mine right there.
Smashing Pumpkins
In 1991 I was 19. Fell head over heels in love with their sound. The drumming was amazing (like Nirvana,) and they just sounded great amongst the music of the day. Went to see them play The Astoria in London then Reading Festival the next year (when Nirvana headlined.) Loved the tunes, which Corgan certainly could write. The first 3 albums - Gish, Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie and Infinite Sadness were all great. I bought all the vinyl, cd singles and rarities, recorded the sessions from the radio. I won a ticket in an NME/Melody Maker competition to their acoustic Raymond Revue show in Soho just prior to Siamese coming out. Standing in the cold, queueing up whilst the local hookers tried to get my interest (I was a shy 21year old then wearing only a Pumpkins tee shirt.) I even took the day off work when Mellon Collie was released (Oct 1995?) to sit and listening to the double cd in full. 75-80% of it is great. Which isn't bad for 2 hours of music.
Then...........the drummer and keyboard player (Jonathan Melvoin) were playing with Heroin and the later died from an overdose. I actually remember a workmate telling me "did you hear about that guy from your fave band? He's dead!"
They got a replacement drummer in, various further line up changes. Their music became more experimental/electronic and my love was gone. For about 4 years they were MY band but now I can barely listen to their music. Which feels weird.
I am...
...actually more likely to listen to Siamese Dream than Nevermind these days, possibly because although the Pumpkins were just as teenage and hate-hatey-hate-hate as Nirvana, they weren't my band in quite the same way. Their music doesn't give me a rather unpleasant Proustian rush as I remember just what a self-indulgent little toolbag I was in the nineties.
And like you say - the sound of those records! Corgan reportedly did FORTY guitar overdubs on Siamese Dream. Now, I know enough about recording to know that that's just stupid, but there's no denying that the sound he produced was simply vast.
Even today, if I pick up my guitar and kick in the Big Muff, the first thing to my fingers is the riff from "Cherub Rock". Brilliant stuff.
I quite recently gave Adore a spin
It still sounds really good. I´m not sure their other albums have aged that well.
That, my friend
is spot on. I've written below about Incubus, but I was a pretty big Nirvana fan too. The thing with Nirvana is that they were so popular, there's always someone who likes them more than you do.
If a team of expert marketers got together to make a group that appealed to alienated teenagers, they could not do better than Nirvana. They write catchy pop songs, BUT IT'S OK BECAUSE THEY PUT SHITLOADS OF DISTORTION ON THEM. They seem counter-culture while actively courting the mainstream. They were fantastic for sloganeering and soundbites. And, I don't mean to be crass here, the fact Cobain killed himself was probably the move that meant their legacy endured more than any other.
I'll stand by that they've done some fantastic tracks (About a Girl is one of the best pop songs ever made) but they do seem a bit childish now. If someone asked me, I'd say I was a Nirvana fan, but I couldn't tell you the last time I actively listened to them.
No hesitation
Led Zeppelin.
I thought they were the bee's knees when I was a teenager (in the early nineties) and got all their vinyl and was blown away by the playing and Percy's howls. What Is And What Should Never Be was the best song ever made. LZ3 was the best album.
No.
With each passing year they have sounded more and more dated, tired and boring. I much prefer Page's session work now and wish he would find a new project that looks to the future rather than the past.
Fairport Convention
I was struggling to think of a single entity or name that captures how I have drifted away from band culture.
Then I found it!
Whilst I'm a folkie at heart, there's nothing more dispiriting than standing in a field with thousands of people all wearing the same T Shirt watching a group of people who are doing their level best to look like lecturers from an open university summer school.
Still great musicians, no question, but I've seen and heard it all before.
Don't want to be all negative today, and so turning it around, I ask myself what is it that does appeal to me these days?
I think it is about creativity and fusion. Creating something new by taking a musical form and developing it in some way. I'm so looking forward to Womad this year.
wholeheartedly in agreement
I've been to cropredy every year since 1979, last year was the final straw tedious beyond belief. There's no heart, no soul, just tedium.
Still love the early stuff though.
David Bowie
I saw him do Starman on TOTP and thought he was fab. Bought the singles, the earlier albums, Ziggy Stardust, etc. Tip top. Even tried the daft hair look once. Then one day at a party I had a road to Damascus moment and saw straight through the whole shtick to the calculating geezer behind it, and he was suddenly as all others, only in silly clothes. Bye bye David. I bought "Station to station" recently after a thread here, and it's OK, but nothing more. Magic long gone.
A common theme
To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, “Children begin by loving their rock stars; as they grow older they judge them; sometimes, they forgive them”
Or to quote Elvis C
All grown up
And you don't care anymore
And you hate all the people that you used to adore
And you despise all the rumors and lies of the life you led before
But look at yourself
You'll see you're still so young
You haven't earned the weariness
That sounds so jaded on your tongue
Incubus
The name probably doesn't mean a thing to 95% of the people on this blog, but when I was 15 or so, I absolutely LOVED them. They were the first non-chart band I really got into, and as a result, it really felt like they were mine. At a time when lots of people were listening to horrific nu-metal, I thought (and still do, to an extent) that they were a cut above. Also, there were a select few of us at school who listened to them a lot, including my friend who I took GCSE Music with. Instead of diligently working on our projects, we used to spend Tuesday mornings in the (crucially, soundproof) practice room, blasting out Morning View or Make Yourself.
Their lead singer is a "surfer dude" looking chap named Brandon Boyd. I'll be honest here; he's an extremely attractive man and has a tendency to perform topless (this may explain why they always seems to have more female fans than male). His lyrics are pretty opaque and hippie-ish. As a teenager, I thought he was the epitome of cool. Now, I think he's the kind of guy who would be your mate, then sleep with your girlfriend without remorse and say, "There was a lot of unresolved sexual energy between us because of the alignment of the planets - what were we supposed to do? Plus, it was inevitable; we're both Scorpios."
Occasionally, I dig out some of their older albums and give them a spin. Any enjoyment I get from them is purely nostalgic, as the music itself is never as good as I remember it. By the time I was 17, I was discovering different music, older music, interesting music. I'd stopped reading Q, I'd started reading Word. My most-played albums became The Queen Is Dead and Forever Changes. I still bought the Incubus album that came out that year (the appallingly-titled, A Crow Left of the Murder). I'd moved on; sadly, they hadn't.
As a postscript, they have a new album out next month and I volunteered to review it for a website. I listened to it earlier this week; it is utter, utter balls.
Faith No More
God, the money and time I spent on that band. I had everything they ever did when I was about 14. Albums, singles, rarities, bootlegs, t-shirts. The lot. Saw them live in 1992 at Brixton and I swear it was the best day of my life.
Don't think I've heard a tune of theirs in 15 years now. I reckon their synth sound did lead me towards the stuff I like now though.
Same here
I also thought they were the bees knees when I was in my teens, sounds dreadful to me now though. Same with Red Hot Chilli Peppers.
The Doors
At 17 I was convinced by the "Jim Morrison as a poet" thing, plus I really liked the fact that their music was dominated by keyboards rather than guitars. For some reason I had never heard "The End" but it was built up by friends and stuff in the music press as the band's finest piece of work.
Then one day at Uni, about a year later, I borrowed an album with The End on it. After hearing Morrison's stentorious declamation of such puerile lyrics, that was it.
I did try listening to them again, when the Oliver Stone film came out, but was left wondering what I'd ever seen in such pretentious nonsense. These days I share Denis Leary's view
Oh me oh my.
The Doors are awful, aren't they? I was about 12 when that film came out, and it became briefly vogueish to listen to them, and I still used to claim to like them long after I'd stopped actually listening to them, because they had a certain cachet.
I listened to them again quite recently, for the first time in years and years, and fuck ME. The music's OKish - nothing special but inoffensive - but those lyrics and that delivery? Actually laughable. There aren't many "important" bands whose output I actually feel contempt for, but The Doors are one. If Jim Morrison were alive, I'd make a special journey just to kick him in the nuts.
Joe in "disagreeing with Bob" shocker
I think the album, The Doors, is really, really good. Sure, it has its shortcomings, but they're mainly lyrical - all the Oedipal nonsense on The End and all of The Crystal Ship spring to mind.
But the thrill of Break On Through, the solo on Light My Fire, the howl on Back Door Man? Fantastic stuff. You, Bob, are quite literally, wrong.
The Doors
is one of the all time best debut albums.
I am not a fan of any of their other work but that album's diversity, playfulness, riffage, power and tenderness still amazes me today.
But Morrison was a cock.
Yes!
The Doors, is a perfect classic rock album - dangerous, leather trousered, bare-chested, weird, sexy, lyrical, tuneful and extremely pretentious.
I grew out of the myth of The Doors and the cult of Jim Morrison but can certainly still appreciate their music - especially "Morrison Hotel" and "L.A. Woman" ironically the two albums I didn't like when I were a lad.
"Father?"
"Yes son"
"I want to borrow your golf clubs."
No chance matey
But your mothers dying for a shag...
Agreed
If you stick on Best of the Doors and ensure you don't pay attention to the lyrical content, they were quite a decent band.
Bloody Hell Bob
he hasn't even got a fucking beard!! Agree though, overrated - Light my fire was the pinnacle of their achievement.
Ultravox
When I was 14 (in 1981) I began to think that I ought to like a band which was sort of cool, and buy some of their records (instead of just listening to whatever was on Radio 1). I wanted a band which was serious enough not to make my prog-rock big brother laugh at me, but also one which the kids at school had heard of.
Thus started my year and a half of being an Ultravox fan. My entry point was "Vienna", one of those records, like Bohemian Rhapsody, an album track designed to be admired rather than enjoyed, which had somehow ended up at the top of the chart. I bought the LP and the one which followed it, "Rage In Eden".
I think what appealed to me was that they had some post-punk cred (Midge Ure had been in a band with Glenn Matlock) but they were REAL musicians who could REALLY play their instruments. I stuck with them as my Favourite Band until about the middle of '82, when I thought, actually they're pompous and a bit boring.
I'd also moved on to bands like The Associates, Scritti Politti, Echo and the Bunnymen, New Gold Dream-era Simple Minds, lots of which I still listen to today.
PS A few months ago, I played "Rage in Eden" on Spotify. It was a bit like looking up your first girlfriend on Friends Reunited. But actually I thought there were a couple of half-decent songs there.
The Doors...
... were the first band I liked who I felt I "should" like.
Now that's a notion most of us succeed in outgrowing if ever there was one...
In my mind...
I am not sure The Doors ever survived the kicking they got from Lester Bangs in the Rolling Stone Illustrated Guide To Rock N Roll which I read as an impressionable young thing. Jim Morrison was portrayed as a self-indulgent drunk rather than a Dionysian sex-god, and the music as rather silly, although Bangs did acknowledge there was something there is the best of it.
ditto Doors
I agree with several points above and below; I was 'blown away' discovering The Doors as a 14 year old (this is the mid 1980s) and if I never thought Jim Morrison was a Lizard King, then at least I thought there was something compelling, intense and strange about them, also inspired by my seeing 'Apocalypse Now'. Then within a few years I heard more music from the period (especially Love and psychedelia) and the Doors seemed ever more musically uninspired and too wrapped up in the pretensions of the era. That bloody film didn't help. Now I think that they are not so much terrible as overrated, by rock historians and the teenager I once was. I have met a fair few other people in mid-lfe who had a similar Doors moment but can't quite hear it any more. I do wonder what an older, wiser Jim Morrison might have thought about his own work.
One of my closest
mates thinks that music starts and ends with the Doors. I take great pleasure in winding him up about how crap they were, how over the top, leather trousered rock god, pompous in a truly up his own arse way Morrison was and that the only reason they are revered is because he croaked. He goes mad. We once had the row in a packed Indian restaurant after a night on the beer. Eventually, after drawing in blokes at surrounding tables to gauge their opinion, I stood up and took a straw poll of the entire room. I won 46 to 7. I will never tell him that the intro to Riders On The Storm is one of the most spine-tingling moments in rock, still. But they were crap.
That's exactly right...
Both the intro to Riders on the Storm and the middle eight are out-of-this-world. And represent the sum total of what the Doors have contributed.
And have an up for your curry ambush... fantastic!
20/25 years ago.....
....I'd have agreed totally about these negative comments about The Doors.
These were the causes:
Jim Morrison being the only 'Door' shown on the cover of compilations.
Legions of 60s dodgers placing them above The Stones/Beatles/Dylan.
The dire Oliver Stone film.
So, although having the LPs, I didn't exactly wear the vinyl thin.
Now, though, following the brilliant 'When You're Strange' documentary (which has probably been seen by a hundredth of the people who saw Oliver Stone's thing) and the up-dating of the back catalogue into a fitter state, 'Strange Days' and 'Waiting For The Sun' are rarely off my CD player.
They are a 60s group again, and are all the better for it.
Waiting for the sun
has some good things on it without pretentious lyrics or lizard king nonsense, just fine pop tunes really - Love Street, Hello I Love You, The River Knows (or whatever it's called).
To answer the OP
(rather than the opportunist dig at the Doors above) a lot of the posts show that this is more to do with the passing of time and becoming more self-aware and forming your own opinions, rather than some 'lightbulb' moment where the sheer futility of the God you once worshipped is revealed to you. I think Gangle has spotted the whopping great head of the nail and come down on it with the force of Thor, God of Thunder in his post a couple up. The band I felt I 'should' like is a telling phrase. Peer pressure is a huge deal when you're 14-16, less so as you get older. I adored Wishbone Ash when I was 14-16 but something died for me when Ted Turner left - things were never quite the same. Now, 35 years later, I will very happily spend a couple of hours in Andy Powell's company and find his band to have made some strong albums recently. I will not go and see Martin Turner's version of the band. AP stayed with the band, kept the flame alive if you will and he was always my favourite member, anyway. Martin could never sing, simple as.
Wow!
Next amnesty I might change my login to "Thor, God Of Thunder"!
*struts about like he owns the place*
The Dave Clark Five
I was born in Liverpool in 1952.
In 1962 I was 10, just the right age to be blown away the HJHs. I wasn't really.
In 1963 I was 11 and decided the DC5 were THE band. They had everything that the HJHs didn't have - they were from that London, they put the drums front & centre, and they had that massive four on the floor beat.
When 'Glad All Over' knocked 'I Want To Hold Your Hand' off the top of the charts, I was all over the kids at school.
In 1965 I was 13 and Rubber Soul came out. All of a sudden 'Catch Us If You Can' seemed a bit limp really.
Give DC his credit though, he was a better businessman than any of the Fabs were until the 1970s.
The Adicts
Well, not so much growing out of them musically, for I still get a little thrill when I hear "Viva La Revolution", more of growing out of walking around dressed like them.
I realised that nobody really takes a Droog from A Clockwork Orange very seriously in Reading, Farnborough or Basingstoke. The Paras and Squaddies in Aldershot garrison certainly didn't anyway, except when using me to practice their latest self-defence or martial arts moves that is.
Bowler hat isn't shown very clearly in this pic...
REM
First 3 lps - played to death, saw them twice and they were brilliant both times. 'Life's Rich Pageant' triggered the doubts, and by the next lp my interest was gone. Still toss on 'Murmur' and 'Reckoning' occasionally and still love them, but have no desire to know what they do now.
"Still toss on 'Murmer' and 'Reckoning' occasionally..."
They're both great albums but you're taking things a bit far there. Heaven only knows what the sleeves look like now.
Takes a bit to separate them now
And no one is ever going to ask to borrow them. Result!
Hardcore!
Most people are used to hearing that Autommatic... or Out of Time was the tipping point where they started to get all [bleagh] popular, sometimes even Green is cited. But Life's Rich Pageant? Impressive!
My advice is don't go anywhere near Around The Sun.
LRP wasn't bad..
but it was, you know, also not really great. They were starting to recycle the formula, and by then the 'REM' influence was becoming so pervasive in North American indie that it just got boring. But I still consider those early lps, along with other 'roots-post punk' like Let's Active and Guadalcanal Diary, as some of my favorite music of the 80s.
Fair do's
Being about 6 and living in rural England at the time thankfully sheltered me from saturation. Not familiar with the other (Atlanta?) groups but will check them out and consider myself slightly less uninformed! Thanks, teach!
I was even more precious –
I was even more precious – Fables of the Reconstruction was my album too far. Which in retrospect was very much my loss.
Out Of Time
...that's when I began to get get disappointed. Up till then I was a complete obsessive - lived and breathed R.E.M. Still dont get OOT and have no affection for the album ( although it's saving grace is Country Feedback ).
Lifes Rich Pageant is my all time favourite and I'm looking forward to the re-issue next month. I still buy their albums - more out of loyalty than expectation though.
REM often get mentioned on here
as a prime 'jumping the shark' band - for me it was probably LRP when they stopped mattering so much though with all the albums up to and including AFTP there were always good songs. But I ADORED Murmur and Reckoning and went on about them to all my sceptical friends at huge length - I spent the summer of 1984 in Atlanta and actually met a couple of them in a bar after they'd played the Fox cinema. Maybe its just that they got SO big and when you could actually hear the lyrics they weren't actually all that insightful. Also I had fallen very hard for the Smiths by then and REM didn't seem ferocious enough or funny enough
Angst, ridiculousness and pomposity
Reject the above and you reject a significant proportion of rock and pop surely? The absurdity and stupidity is part of the appeal that means that unlike other art forms you can never take this music too seriously and look like a bit of an arsehole if you do, even though it is an art form as good as any other really. Mind you some stuff does become wearing - I've lost interest in The Pixies somewhat, not because it's noisy but because it doesn't interest me enough to replay endlessly. Other things I once loved then left behind as being a bit naff I now see as worthy of my time - like a bit of Wings or some 'easy listening' material my parents liked. So I am not sure who I would say. I even like some of The Doors - I can overlook laughable lyrics, they're everywhere in music anyhow, often on otherwise very good records, I even enjoy them, perversely.
I would go for avant garde stuff I once worked hard to get but now I think it wasn't worth the effort - some Beefheart, some Zappa, that kind of thing.
It's a confidence thing
When you are young and insecure, you reject the notion that artists you like don't take themselves as seriously as you do. As you get older, you begin to see the playfulness and humour and then realize that half the time these people must be have been pissing themselves.
Zappa is another good example. As a tentative teen Zappa listener, I found it hard to reconcile his goofy and sophomoric humour with his desire to be considered a visionary 'artiste'. Going to a live show in 1980 solved the problem: it was the worst show I've ever endured. FZ was smug, contemptuous and contemptible. Ian Penman wrote a brilliant screed on FZ that I think is easy to find online, and more or less says everything that needs to be said.
Talking Heads stoppped mattering to me
When they cheered up (Little Creatures & True Stories) - you might well be onto something there...
What do you mean?
Talking Heads were always cheerful.
'77 is full of wide-eyed wonder at the most ordinary of things. More Songs About Buildings And Food explodes with joy (most of the time). Fear Of Music and Remain In Light both have a mischievious glint, despite their 'complexity'. Speaking In Tongues, the concert album & DVD are actually funny in many parts.
I love all of Talking Heads. Post Eno, the music and production might have been more simple but it's still stirring stuff. Listen to 'Love For Sale' at loud volume and revel in the thunderous drums, the spritely bassline and the deranged vocal (especially in the final minute).
Hmm interesting take
That's not how I recollect it at the time, they were always pretty stony faced and paranoid - I love the earlier albums to bits and don't really disagree about the later ones - its the amount that they MATTERED to me that ebbed away after Little Creatures.
I don't see much joy - as opposed to excitement and maybe wonder - in 77 or MSABAF, and Fear Of Music doesn't sound too mischievous to me either. I think its a frightened record from a frightening time.
Like I say interesting what you can hear in stuff - I think what I hear is what they meant to convey but that's not at all to say you're wrong. Wonderful band
At the very least
there is a great deal of irony & wit in their first four albums. Much of Fear of Music takes the piss. Cities, for example, simply lists famous places and disses them gently (think of London a small city ... too dark, too dark in the daytime). Heaven drips with irony. Paper, Animals and Air are often bizarre. Yes, they were serious about what they did and they covered a wide range and depth of emotions, feelings and so on. But, I never think of them as poe-faced.
The great thing is we both find so much in their music to cherish.
I don't think I have one...
A so-called friend pursuaded me to buy a Collins-era Genesis album once but I don't think that counts.
OH WAIT. I was stupidly keen on the twiddlings of Eric Clapton for yonks. I think there may even be copies of August and Journeyman kicking about in a cupboard somewhere. Thinking of them makes me flinch.
Should I have just lied and said Ned's Atomic Dustbin instead?
Bon Jovi
I was pretty keen on Bon Jovi when I was 11.
Keep it to yourselves.
I saw Bon Jovi two years ago.
I thought they put on a good show.
I think they probably would
I think they probably would, I'd watch them if they were on at a festival I was at.
However, I haven't really like anything I've heard by them post-"These Days".
I'd rather listen to Bon Jovi
than Bon Iver
Jovi puts on a better show than Iver
I suspect
The ticket buying public may disagree
Judging by the amount of hard sell publicity around Edinburgh for Bon Jovi's Murrayfield gig later this month. Bon Iver sold out their October gig at the Usher Hall in record time weeks ago.
Bit of a difference in size
between Usher Hall and Murrayfield though, a few more tickets to shift for one than for the other.
When I were a lad
my fav artists were Brinsley Schwarz, which is a good start as I still am a huge Basher fan. Led Zep,who I still like but never listen to. Roy Harper, nothing changed there other than his output & the elephant in the room Frank Zappa. I was besotted with the moustachioed one collecting evey single record he put out, produced or appeared on. In those pre cd days you could easily pay £30 for an original Mothers LP & I did. I must have spent thousands & I would bore anybody who came into my orbit with Sofa No.2. But now I look at my bloated collection of FZ & know I will never play it again. I could compile 6 cds of the best bits & sell the rest. But I doubt I ever will.
I guess I've never grown up.
Sorry.
I'm struggling to think of bands/songs/albums I was really fond of & now don't. Simple Minds, for example, were good up to & including New Gold Dream. 10cc's first 3 albums are marvellous.
The only one that's a possibility is Oasis. I thought the first was alright (a bit too one-paced & derivative for my taste). The second I enjoyed more. On the strength of those two, I bought the third, played it once & never again. Neither of the first two make my iPod containing 1200 whole albums. I don't think I grew out of them as such. It's more that I didn't actually like them that much in the first place.
Agreed
Yes, there are artists I used to be obsessive about that I now only listen to occasionally (Manics), and there are those for whom I would've once taken a day off work when a new album came out so that I could buy it as soon as HMV opened and then spent the rest of the day listening to it (Springsteen), but there really isn't anyone that I've loved but now think "naaaaaah". Some of the punk and metal from my teenage years hasn't aged well, but I wouldn't say I've grown out of it - a good blast of the UK Subs is sometimes just what the doctor ordered!
Radiohead
They were the last band that I became hermetically sealed in with as a fan. When I was younger my devotion to certain artists and music was suffocating but at that age you lived off a kind of airless symbiosis in a bedroom sealed by hormones and limitless possibilities that music played loudly promised. These acts were more than just about their music, they became extensions of my personality, my imagination, my life choices, my ego.
Radiohead were the band that affirmed all the musical choices I'd made up until their appearance. They represented all that was cool about being a rock band. They were dynamic and had ideas that weren't linear or too obvious but they also had an ear for melody and arrangement. Their guitars made the right kind of noises, their singer had the right kind of edginess, their lyrics had the right kind of ugliness. They were so fucking special. They were that last band I got into before I moved in with my girlfriend.
Creep was like Britain had finally found a retort to Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit, had finally grown some and punched the US grunge bands in the gut. It was so hyped up as a track you could see Radiohead were never going to be able to follow it up. Pablo Honey didn't smack you in the chops as much as you hoped it would, Creep stood out like a beacon. And then I remember one day when I must have played the closing track Blow Out about 10 times, revelling in the intensity of its feedback drenched coda and I decided that this band were more than just one song and this closing statement of intent proved that.
Some time later I vividly remember walking into Omega Records in Northwich and being struck in the ears by this treated wobbling sequence of power chords over which sang a bruised androgynous voice. The surging cacophony led to a chorus that sounded like Macca's Live and Let Die as if it had been packed into in a shoegazer's blender along with some Meddle era Pink Floyd. The shop had an advance 'mini-album' copy of The Bends and the track was Planet Telex.
I knew there and then that all my emotional investment in this band had paid off. They were making music that proved they were more than just one song. My heart was racing as I stood and listened to the 5 or 6 tracks on the sampler. Each track was different but each one was imbued with an epicness that was nothing to do with stadium rock but everything to do with state of the (he)art.
By the time of OK Computer my devotion to Radiohead was unbreakable. I could even justify Fitter Happier because with Radiohead there was always a context, always a reason, no matter how cryptic and besides if you didn't "get it" then you patently weren't trying hard enough.
Then one day, prior to the release of Kid A, something in me switched. It was like the old break up cliche, "It's not you, it's me". Their music and my attachment to it all seemed too intense, too exclusive to be healthy. My passion for music was being monopolised by a sound and a band that, whilst still important in the annals of post-rock, were not so important to me that I could justify sustaining the intesity I'd previously brought to them as a fan. My ears were listening to other types of music, sounds that were attractive because they were being made simply out of joy and a love of life; music that didn't require analysis or detailed footnotes to help you to understand it.
It got to the point about 10 years ago that Radiohead just became annoying to me. A reverence had grown around them that was littered with fawning apologists justifying the band's every utterance and music release as some kind of cultural event. I became bored of the circus around the band, the unwarranted mythologising and the strained superlatives. Their music became tainted by the hype where before their music had been able to transcend the hype. Pronouncements about the band either by the band or by the media seemed to be more important than the music itself. Ultimately the band sounded bored both with themselves and with their career. Where once the music gazed up at stars it now gazed directly at their collective navel. Every facial tic or body spasm by Thom Yorke or Jonny Greenwood just elicited a sneer from me. It all seemed so mannered and artificial. My reality no longer had anything to do with theirs.
SNIP Some time later I
SNIP
Some time later I vividly remember walking into Omega Records in Northwich and being struck in the ears by this treated wobbling sequence of power chords over which sang a bruised androgynous voice.
SNIP
Now that what was a tremendous store, really miss it to this day.
Adam & The Ants
Madness
Boney M
Bands kids like. Now of course I think they're all brilliant, but in my teens and twenties I thought they were novelty rubbish.
Ooh
Smuggling in a "Bands you grew into" thread. Good one F-C..
Orange Juice
Loved them 1982-83; I was 16 and they were MY band. I loved the way they looked, sounded, their whole attitude -- everything. I sat on the edge of the stage at Dingwalls in Newcastle satring up fondly at the sainted Edwyn. They lost their way a bit over the next few years, but I stuck with them, as one does. But now I find even the good, early stuff entirely unlistenable, even the rough and ready Postcard singles before their first album. The sound seems trebly and slight, and Edwyn's voice doesn't sound so good to these 45 year old ears...Whoever above likened the whole thing to seeing an Ex is exactly right: you can just about imagine what you once saw in them, but can't imagine ever going out with them again.
OJ
After about 25 years being largely Orange Juice free, I recently bought the "Coals To Newcastle" box set from last year. It has pretty much everything they ever did on it, and it's fantastic.
If you can't listen to the early stuff, can I suggest you give "Texas Fever" another go? It's hugely listenable.
Can't hide your love forever
I agree that much of the OJ material doesn't stand up well, but that first album... the word play, the ambition in the musuic, the way they don't always pull it off but are trying so,so hard... makes me smile every time I play it.
Sandy Denny...
...not sure why, just can't really listen to her voice or songs any more and I used to a lot. I still 'appreciate' the talent that was there, but I'm just done hearing it, I think.
I'm going to steal someone above's idea...
...to save me typing and substitute your Sandy Denny for Emmylou Harris.
Of course, she's still with us so the tense is slightly wrong.
Ubiquitous (that's the first time I've ever written that!)is her problem by me I think.
Mmmm, I know what you mean Steve...
...is there an 'Americana' album from the past 10 years in existence which DOESN'T feature Emmylou Harris on backing vocals? Over-exposed is the word - and that backing vocal 'easy cred for hire' thing has really been taken to the limit. Though I'm sure she means well every time she says 'yes' to the requests.
As for Sandy - maybe there's an element of overexposure (perversely) there to - in the sense that I may have listened too much back in the 80s, that wilderland of obscurity between the 60s/70s of her actual career and the 00s/10s internet era when practically anything from any era is available at the click of a mouse.
Maybe that's a much bigger question - referenced in Heppo's splendid musings on record collecting in the current issue - the idea that, basically, 'familiarity breeds contempt'. Or, at least, a loss of passion.
Oh, who knows (where the etc etc)...
double post...sorry!
Oasis
In the mid-90s, Oasis were the biggest band in Britain; they had the look, the attitude and the songs. Girls wanted to shag them (except Bonehead, probably) and boys wanted to be them (because girls wanted to shag them, I assume?). For a nine-year old boy, who's knowledge of music went as far as TOTP on a Thursday afternoon, I thought they were great; much better than Blur. I heard my Dad's copy of 'What's The Story' and, I too, was swept away by the nation's aduation for 'Wonderwall', 'Don't Look Back In Anger' and all things Gallagher.
'Be Here Now' came and went, yet I didn't really remember it at the time because it turns out my Dad was cleverer than the rest of England. He didn't buy it. Fast-forward to the turn of the millenium and I've started to buy my own records. Oasis are about to release a new one, and it'll be the first one I own. The trouble is, if you're going to recommend an album to start with, it's not going to the 'Standing on The Shoulder of Giants' is it? They couldn't even get the title of the album right, that's how shit it is!.
Still, I was an impressionable 13/14 year old, and I gave them a chance. I eventually purchased the rest of their catalouge, they became my favourite band for the next three years as I conveniently ignored SOTSOG. I gave up on them after 'Heathen Chemistry' though, as I realised they were never going to get better, despite every subsequent release being favourably compared to 'Definitely Maybe'.
A recent interview with Gallagher the Younger in another music magazine confirmed my beliefs about the band. It's not cool to be 'cool' when you're nearly forty, Liam.
Thank fuck they split up, even if it was ten years too late.
Oasis and Britpop never caught on over 'ere
When these bands were hot, I really tried to give them a fair hearing but it just sounded so...unimaginative. Oasis seemed the most boring of a horde of that were just recycling old 60's British rock. It always seemed to me that the whole era was standing on image - 'Cool Britannia'- and the music, even to my UK-centric tastes, was just dull. Referencing the Beatles, Kinks, Who, Jam, etc., isn't a bad place to start but it's ridiculous if that is where you want to end up as well.
Same here
I left the UK just prior to Britpop, heard it but didn't feel particularly moved by it from a distance. Maybe you had to be there, the atmosphere of the crowds to bring the excitement, that community thing.
To be fair....
I was in the eye of the maelstrom and it was pretty shit over here too...
The era (taking in 1994-1998) co-incided with Blur, Suede and Weller's very worst plodding meat n potatoes/novelty songs.
Only Ocean Colour Scene put to vinyl anything still worth listening to.
*splutters*
OCEAN COLOUR SCENE?!
*faints, comes round, realises with horror that it wasn't an hallucination*
Anyway, he says more calmly, I completely disagree with that assessment, barring Weller, who I've never been able to stand.
Suede released Dog Man Star in 1994. It is a masterpiece. Coming Up isn't, but it has some wonderful songs on it.
Blur released Parklife in 1994 and Blur in 1997. The former is a flawed masterpiece, the latter is merely extremely good. I'll give you The Great Escape, though: mostly bobbins.
Britpop was only really awful in 1995-96, but to be honest, Blur quickly realised the folly of the gor-bleedin-blimey-guv'nor approach and became one of our most interesting mainstream bands again. Their many, many copycats were dead by '97, and Britpop was largely over.
Oasis were always, always shite barring a few months at the beginning, and actually most of the effects of Britpop are their and Blur's fault: the beeriness, "lad" culture, football becoming a compulsory interest.
Thing is, Blur moved on. Oasis couldn't.
But seriously: Ocean Colour Scene?!
*faints again*
;-)
In defence of 1995
That's when Pulp's 'Different Class' was released. If you class that as Britpop (and most did) then there's yer high watermark, right there.
Absolbleedinlutely
"Different Class" was properly aptly named. And "His 'n' Hers" was 1994, and that's no slouch. And "This Is Hardcore", which again is bloody marvellous, was 1998.
Pulp were doing something pretty special during those few years.
If the people who decry the Britpop years as musically horrible are talking about the also-rans, then they do kind of have a point. The likes of Menswe@r (oh, how it hurts to type that @ sign) were totally risible, obviously, but I think writing off the whole of Britpop because of the also-rans is a bit like writing off punk because of Plastic Bertrand. Let's not forget the albums which this much-kicked scene gave us:
Suede
Dog Man Star
Modern Life Is Rubbish (pre-94, but definitely proto Britpop)
Parklife
His 'n' Hers
Different Class
Elastica
I Should Coco
In It For The Money
Now I'm A Cowboy
1977
And I'm not even counting the bands who released great singles but patchy-to-awful albums, like Sleeper.
Britpop had some awful bits, but if you focus on the actual bands and records, it was no worse than any other scene. What came after it - the stinking meat-and-potatoes plod of The Verve, Travis, Stereophonics and co - was infinitely worse. At least Britpop was fun. God knows I had a blast: I was 16 in 1994. Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive, but to be young was very heaven, and all that.
Hear hear
I was formulating my answer to this and you said everything that was in my head, even down to Menswear being bobbins. I would have to add What's the story to the list personally, many a happy student night singing into a beer bottle to that!
Genesis
My god, I loved Genesis. Loved them like a first love. They were the centre of my musical universe and everything else revolved around them. It was probably the most obsessed I've been about anything, ever - thank goodness there was no internet in those days.
That lasted from 'Seconds Out' for another 5 years or so.
And then one day it happened - they released Abacab and I stopped loving them.
The spell was broken, it all seemed rather silly and I don't think I've been able to bring myself to listen to an album of theirs since.
This is a great thread
However I think I'm still waiting to grow out of all the music I was into when I was a youngster.
Of course I don't listen to The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, Misplaced Childhood and Thick As A Brick as much as I used to, but I'm pretty sure that's not possible
the Wombles
We had an album of theirs. They may be at Glastonbury this year, but I can't say I've missed them.
Chicago..
originally Chicago Transit Authority, they had so much to say, their first releases were all double albums. The songs and arrangements were terrific and that first album from 1969, especially, still stands up as the sound of hot young musicians who knew their way round their instruments. Then Terry Kath died, the band discovered schlock and blow-dried big-hair AOR, and the magic was gone.
I presume they're still around. I couldn't care less.
they and Dr Hook
are top of my 'bands that let me down' list
as i
moved into my twenties i got into what i now refer as my "retrocentric rock classicist phase"..i embraced led zeppelin, entered my most extreme beatles fixation and bought records with which my fifteen year old self would have been horrified..
common..i know..but cue ahead another decade and i had rejected these things all over again and was writing to mojo bemoaning their "retrocentric classicsm"..
needless to say they printed an edited version of the letter, pedanticly(sic) pointing out a spelling mistake...
God...
...was I *really* a member of the Tori Amos Fan club...?
Marillion
up until Fish left. Went to Milton Keynes to see them the same day that Wham! split up at Wembley. I've always smiled at the thought that I passed my future wife on a motorway somewhere as we sped to our respective gigs.
Growing up in N.Wales, exposure to non-chart music tended to be difficult. The Music Papers were too scary and grown-up, John Peel was too weird (if you even knew who he was) and so older siblings tended to be the guide. At my school the bands were Cheap Trick, The Meteors, U2, Depeche Mode, SpandauDuran and of course, the chart stuff.
Marillion checked a lot of boxes that pretentious poetic-sorts(ahem) could get behind -
*Brow-furrowing lyrics (Chameleons, Kimonos, Punting)
*Larger-than-life frontman (Scottish! Tall! Likes a drink! Swears!)
*Long Songs (Best mulled over with over a cuppa and some custard creams)
*Completely Undanceable (But you could jump up and down to them)
*Album sleeves demanding attention (Why's the lizard crawling out of the TV on the "Fugazi" sleeve?)
The last Fish-era album, "Clutching at Straws" had the shortest, most direct songs they'd done (and the worst sleeve). I didn't mind it, but I wasn't as mad on it as I had been with "Misplaced Childhood". Aside from "White Russians" I think it's the one that's aged the best now, ironically.
They fell apart as a friendship I'd had also fell apart. Over a girl. The mate who I'd taken with me to two Marillion gigs took his new girl and didn't ask me to see them do "Clutching", which may, just may, have coloured my reception to the album.
When they reformed with SteveH I had a go, but wasn't mad on "Season's" and just gave up on Fish after "Vigil". They didn't speak to me anymore about my reality. Time for a change.
I did come back to them about the time of Brave and Afraid of Sunlight and marveled at how much better they are. I'm not a fan, don't buy everything they do, but try to check in occasionally when I'm not furrowing my brow at deciphering the meaning of Altar of Plagues' newie.
I know two unconnected people...
...who collect everything Marillion have done but ONLY the post-Fish version. Which is truly baffling to me. Not that I think the Fish era was great - it's just not my kind of thing but at least it had personality. The post-Fish era just seems like a chasm of unloveable pointlessness to me, as a casual observer...
Chasm of unloveable pointlessness..
..lovely! Haveanup. TMFTL. Etc..
Pah
Post Fish Marillion are wonderful. Have a virtual down!
Steady on..
hardly know the band but Colin's English is superb.
Fan, are you?
You're too kind, Declan...
...but now I know three people who like post-Fish Marillion! My embafflement continues apace...
Usually bands that I feel
that I outgrow, I usually revisit after a period of time. There has been long periods when I have not listened to a certain band but something will trigger in my head, and I will listen to say Abba or like the OP Queen again, and in both cases enjoy, but I can't say that there are any bands that i've completely abandoned.
Mind you i've still to revisit Showaddywaddy and the Bay City rollers yet
Ver 'Wads did a song named after a car registration number
CUT1E.
Any others? Apart from CPL593H, obv.
Surely, Stimpy, after today...
...we need to be changing that to CBE593H?
I bet he was gutted he didn't get a knighthood though...
Lord Byron of Ferrari...
...that's what he's waiting for...
U2 for me2
I loved their first two albums, I recorded cassettes for my best friend and she became a big fan too.
Then War was released and it was impressive and catchy but...they were beginning to get on my nerves.
I bought the next two albums out of a sense of loyalty but never actually played them. The singles that I heard on the radio were really awful and boring. "I still haven't found..." actually made me want to beat them up.
My former best friend stayed a fan, and became an animal rights activist who was convinced that she had all the right answers to every question, I lost touch with both her and her hero Bono.
I don't mind Bono's grand ambitions, I just don't like the musical pomposity, the We're SO bloody worthy-ness of it all.
As to my friend, she just lost her sense of humour. The deadliest of sins.
Boy...
..is a great record. It might have been coloured a little for me by the fact that it soundtracked a couple of halcyon years but I still play it and it still sounds timeless. I know you're not allowed to say that, but there it is.
U2
Oh i think they've they've done some great records at all stages of their career, i know there's a memo that went round a few years back making it forbidden to like them, but i don't care about that sort of thing....and the wagon-jumping neah sayers can lick my left one, quite frankly, because i don't believe you.
what he said
Achtung Baby is a great album.
Achtung Baby is a great album
There. I´ve said it.
Achtung Baby
is the album that U2-haters are allowed to like and own (a group that includes myself).
I don't read memos
I am the proud owner of every Kid Creole & the Coconuts album ever released and I am not bothered about the opinion of others concerning my musical taste.
I do however hate being called a liar. I wouldn't tell you that I find the music of U2 dull if I didn't actually think so.
Maybe Achtung Baby is a fantastic album, I can't say because I haven't heard it. But I've never heard a U2 single played on the radio that made me think that it was time for me to give them a second chance. Who knows, maybe they just pick bad singles ?
If I did hear a great song and it turned out to be by U2 I would be very happy. It's not like I enjoy having favourite bands turn unlistenable!
Oh, and lick your own, thank you very much...:)
fare enuff
my view point entirely RE:music taste. And actually I like August Darnell and friends as well. I just wanted to say that U2 are not as shite as the agreed viewpoint will have. I realize that personal viewpoints like yours Locust are not always the "agreed viewpoint"
Lovely bunch....
Strange but pertinent then, that those Coconuts did backing vocals on War, fact fans.
U2 here too...
I absolutely adored Bono & the boys when I was in my mid-teens, & there's the problem- I grew up & away from their pompous posturing. This "passion" was exactly what I fell in love with but was what I came to loathe around the time of Pop.
I love nothing more than digging out the oldies, having a sing-song & a bevvy & reliving my youth but wouldn't dream of listening to their current dirge.
Life can be cruel can't it?
Bauhaus
They were the perfect vehicle for the vain, exhibitionist drama queen that was the teenage me. They looked striking and amazing, (or 'daft' if you were my Dad) they had screaming guitars and great fizzing banks of feedback, (or sounded terrible, if you were my Dad) and the lyrics were mysterious and enigmatic, (or were pretentious tripe, if you were my Dad). Looking back, I think the old man may have had a point. Apart from 'In the Flat Field', which still sounds ace.
At the time,
and considering bowie was about to launch the little drummer boy and then the abomination of "lets dance" on us, this was the most exciting thing I'd seen on TOTP for months, years even :
The Jam
music for teenagers with chips on their shoulders is great when you are a teenager with a chip on your shoulder. Not so good, when you are a proper adult with job and mortgage and stuff.
T Rex
I thought crashing into the tree gave Marc Bolan a legacy that wasnt entirely deserved, musically he was spent 4+ years before he died.
Personally, I didnt like his "Hippy stuff", & nothing from 73 onwards didnt do it for me either, so I only rate his 1971/ 72 stuff as being of any worth.
I realise I will probably be declared a heretic for this, but for all of his talent, his recorded output doesnt bear close scrutiny IMHO.
Bolan's moment was brief indeed
Some classic singles and two worthy lp's, but most T Rex was fluff. However, Bolan in his pomp never really tried to 'mean' anything, so he captured the anti-Bowie contingent who found the Ziggy-era conceits irritating. McLaren, Mr. Ant, etc., all think Marc was more important. Can't say I agree, but vive le difference.
Not sure Bolan put on quite the show that Ziggy did though...
This is Wembley Empire Pool - no lights to speak of, no set and an appalling sound.
Hence the 'authenticy' factor Bolan gets credit for
I agree, in isolation this is awful - sounds like a bar band who have based their whole concept on The Archies. For some folks, this is what made Marc more appealing than David - lack of artifice, no theatrics, just meat and potatoes.
But from a distance you start to see that Bolan was just as much a creation as Bowie, but with entirely different intent. The glitter linked and at the same time concealed the two opposing viewpoints - Bolan thought himself the heir to 'classic' rock and roll stardom as exemplified by Elvis, Eddy, etc., while Bowie was seeking to be the all-rounder (stage, screen, records, etc.). The people who seek 'authenticity' in their rock (a truly absurd concept) often gravitate towards Bolan.
Meat 'n' potatoes
A sort of proto-Oasis in fact :-)
In defence of T.Rex
I grant you that a simple sub-Chuck Berry chug is the core of the music and almost always without the blessed relief of contrasting middle eight but there was so much else going on besides. Marc himself was flamboyant with considerable public charm, easily competing with Bowie. His lyrics were strange but captivating with a neat turn of phrase and he was capable of some gargantuan riffs. But, the sound, carefully constructed by Tony Visconti, was amazing and remains dazzling to this day; the string quartet, the guitar reverb, the wailing backing vocals.
I agree his peak was 71-73 but I wouldn't say I grew out of him, I'd say other factors marred his talent, including alienating most people close to him with his ego and his drug abuse.
Listen to 21st Century Boy - an awesome single featuring a complex riff, a fabulous sax solo and possibly the world's first a rap in the fade - and I'm sure you will be realise just how good he was.
No question he had some great tunes
I think a single-disc best of covers T Rex nicely.
Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of time for T-Rex
Children Of The Revolution and Teenage Dream are things of wonder.
every time i think i've outgrown.......
.... the Doobie Brothers, i stick on the Capn'n'me...........
nope.. after nearly 40 years... i still love it !
Boomtown Rats
Loved them when I was seventeeen to nineteen, saw them half a dozen times, got all the albums. But haven't felt inclined to play any of them for nearly 30 years.
Bowie - but now recovered
Huge Bowie fan, went to see the Glass Spider tour the same week as Prince was due to arrive to play Sign of the Times. No doubt which album was better and the Glass Spider show was awful. Just gave up on Bowie there and then.
It took me until about 2 years ago to regain any interest in him - but normal service now resumed and I would argue for Bowie v just about anyone else.
'Let's Dance' did it for me for twenty years
Weak album, unexciting tour - stopped paying attention because every time I checked in, things seemed worse and worse (glass spiders, tin machines and concept albums about serial killers). 'Earthling' was the first inkling that maybe he was getting it together, and then finally did it again with 'Heathen' (which is, in my opinion, one of his finest records).His last lp was pretty good, so he bowed out of the biz on a high note. The last tour was fantastic, too.
Iron Maiden
First heard Number Of The Beast in 1982. Immediately got the two preceeding albums.
Bought everything as soon as it came out (singles, albums, videos, T-Shirts etc).
Saw them live at least twice a year
Until 1992
I bought Fear Of The Dark but wasn't moved by it. Saw them headline Donnington 1992, and haven't bought anything new since.
Aged 12 to aged 22 - best band ever
Aged 22 onwards - a bloody good band, but not as interested in them anymore
Ah, thought I felt a presence in the force
Have you given A Matter Of Life And Death a spin? It doesn´t sound like their eighties - the songs are usually twice the lenght - but it´s just as good.
At least if you like their progressive side like, say, Phantom Of The Opera, Hallowed Be Thy Name, To Tame A Land, Infinite Dreams and, of course, Rime Of The Ancient Mariner.
Also probably didn't help that
post 1992 were 'The Blaze Bailey Years'. No fan devotion can survive that.
I checked out with Maiden around the same time and never went back
Vroom! Vroom!
This probably doesn't count but a couple of years ago I really loved Top Gear and alll the 'crazy' stuff that went with it : being chased through the Southern States of America by George Bush loving men with guns, risking their lives by driving vehicles on thin ice in the Arctic, etc etc Not to mention all those off the cuff quick remarks and insults to each other.
Suddenly I realised it was all scripted and pre-planned to the nth. degree as were all those quick ad-libs. Can't watch it anymore!
I thin kmaybe it wasn't always
But certainly is in the last few years. And they're all millionaires. Don't care any more. But this is a dangerous route to take the thread... :-)
Top Gear
It has always been scripted. And the races are always completely staged. I still enjoy them, you just have to suspend your disbelief.
The Band? The Bands, more like.
Too many to mention.
Far too many.
How much money did I waste?
Worrying, when you think about it.
All for a few silver discs, now sitting unloved in the garage.
Kiss
Haven't really grown out of anything much since I turned 16, but there was an early flirtation with Kiss around the 13-14 sort of time frame which is fairly embarassing to recall. I moved on. To Quo and Boston. But I found AC/DC soon after, so that was all right.
Growing out of ...
(bracing myself) The Beatles.
Purely through overuse in childhood.
I understand what you mean
In part I feel the same way.
I was a complete Beatles fanatic as a child but these days whenever a Beatles track show up on shuffle I tend to skip it, often with a slight wince.
The same way you would turn down a cookie after having eaten yourself sick on that brand of cookies on more than one occasion.
The overfamiliarity makes you feel slightly ill.
But strangely enough the songs that I still love by the Beatles all come from the very first albums by them that I owned, the only ones I owned until I got all of them in my early teens.
So I still enjoy hearing any song from A Hard Days Night, half of the White Album ( I only had the side 3-4 half of the vinyl ) and to a degree "the Blue Album" comp.
They are so ingrained into my very DNA from such an early age that I can't grow tired of them, apparently.
The rest of it, I still love it in theory but I can't stand hearing those songs again...enough already!
It's OK
Don't despair. I find my passion peaks and troughs and actually benefits from a period of separation.
My love is, however, for ever.
It won't be long before you are back, amazed you could have possibly survived so long without them.
Ry Cooder
but I'm not sure if it was me or him that
out grew his music.
I love I, Flathead
A rare run out for Ry's voice (a ripe baritone) but I love the variety of style and the depth of the playing despite, or perhaps because of, a restrictive concept. The story (an ageing racer yearns for the old days) chimes well with me at my time of life. It also confirms where Keith Richards stole his sound from since 1969 (one of the tracks is far better than anything The Stones have done since).
In fact, I rank Ry's last few albums as a better late flourish than Bob Dylan's.
Gary Numan
May 1979
Prior to this my 12 year old ears had been little troubled by popular music, obsessed as i was by liverpool fc and star wars. i was aware of punk, the bigger kids in my street were into it but i didn't like them much so i didn't have a lot of time for their music. i kind of liked the sex pistols, buzzocks and all that but not enough to spend my pocket money on them. after all i didn't really have anything in my life to get that angry about.
But the first time i saw Tubeway Army on TOTP i knew are friends electric had to be in my house on demand. Replicas was the first album i ever bought with my own money.
I'd just gone to secondary school, surrounded by peple i didn't know, feeling anxious and a little paranoid - who exactly was i here? Numan's perplexed pout and electronic whines and drones caught my mood perfectly. And my mum was an Avon lady so there was no shortage of eyeliner.
Looking back, i now know i should have given up after the Dance album (particularly after being thrown down a flight of stairs at a party for wearing a Numan t-shirt - i believe it may have been a party at Andrew Harrison's house though the memory is a little blurry), but i soldiered on. Soldiered on through the Mad Max phase, through the blue hair and blue lipstick, through the bow ties - red and black - all the while telling myself that one day soon, another hit would come, while amassing ever more picture discs and ltd editions etc. I gave up after Metal Rhythm (87?) - the lyrics were regurgitated and the songs just, well, weren't that good.
Along side this i was discovering New Order, Prince, REM and the world of music was opening up ever wider.
Sorry Gary, you got squeezed out never to return, but thanks for getting me interested
Numan is a classic 'of the moment' artist
It was a good moment - three quality albums in a row starting with 'Replicas', not bad at all - but when it was over it was really over. I like his pragmatic, down-to-earth approach to his career today but there is no getting away from the fact he is a 'heritage' act. He can always point with some satisfaction to 'Cars', which lands in our midst every few years in some form or other and influences another generation of synthpunks.
I think it's probably fair to say...
...that the Sugababes owe their career to "Are Friends Electric". If Richard X hadn't had the rather excellent idea of grafting it onto "Freak Like Me", they would likely have fizzled out, and we would never have had "Round Round", and I couldn't live with that. Or without their version of "Freak Like Me" itself, for that matter.
I actually think Numan has had quite an influence on a lot of the electro-pop of the last few years. For which every single person on the planet should give him a quid, by way of thanks.
Are Friends Electric?...
...was the first single I bought too... and 'Complex' is spellbinding... but beyond that, alas, Gaz ran out of interest...
ELO
Loved them as a kid - all space ships and catchy tunes....then, one day , I just got 'embarrassed' about them for want of a better word!
With hindsight can only suggest i began to 'grow up' a little ( emotionally speaking ) and realised how vaccuous and empty their records were - style over content. Can't remember what I moved on to -probably something equally un hip....it might have been Queen!!
I gave Out Of The Blue a spin recently and you know what....I really enjoyed it! Me and the kids had a good bop to Mr Blue Sky and the wee one loved Jungle. Guess I'm now afflicted with MAERS - Middle Age Emotional Regressive Syndrome!
a-ha (stop laughing at the back!)
Must have been about 1986. I had my first cassette player and had about 5 tapes all compilations. I heard Hunting High and Low on TV, don't know why that one grabbed me. As with most things we don't choose the ones we fall for I guess! I collected their first four albums on tape,one of which got tangled in said tape player. Then they "grew up" I hit my teens and discovered the joys of Peel my second great love Carter USM - how can you be 13 and not like a band who's album starts with a song chanting "You fat b****rd"? Once CD's killed tapes off I never replaced the albums apart from their greatest hits that I would periodically annoy my now wife with. Then last year i heard a-ha were retiring and went to see them live (dragging along previously annoyed wife) One quick splurge on I tunes later and my 5 year old wanders around the house singing "Touch me!" at inappropriate moments (From The sun always shines on TV) having heard it so much. young love revisited!!
Regressive syndrome
I would buy into that one carabara.
For years I couldn't listen to the music of my youth-Oldfield, ELP et al; however, always have loved Queen,ELO and The HJH. Now I am revelling in the rematers of all the aforementioned. Am I just hankering after a youthful spring in the step and a head of hair.
I think what we all really grow out of is 'chart music' apart form the occasional song. Pretty much how I remember my parents being.
The only problem I find with going back all the time is the strange juxtaposition of listening to Never Mind The Bollocks whilst doing the ironing!
I slavishly
followed Elvis Costello well into my thirties (the mid-80's) but sometime around "Spike" or "Mighty Like A Rose" I began to weary of him and realised that he wasn't, after all, incapable of being involved with anything less than 100 per cent essential.
Up to that point, I had devoured every last 12-inch single for the obscure additional tracks and generally found even those to be of uniformly peerless standard.
While I still probably acquire most of what he puts out and enjoy bits of it, nothing will ever compare to that run of albums from My Aim Is True to King of America, nor will my 50-odd year old incarnation ever again be able to be so enthused, as I was probably on more than 40 occasions between 1977 and 1994, by the sight of the bespectacled one walking on a stage, plugging in and kicking arse.
If I bother to see him again, I'll be an oldish bloke in a room full of other oldish blokes and women watching some oldish blokes onstage -and I have to concede that part of the utter thrill of rock n'roll is often the youth itself of those who play or listen to it.
If Bruce Springsteen puts out any more bollocks like "Outlaw Pete" "Queen Of The Supermarket" and "Surprise Surprise" I'll be growing out of bands while nudging 60!
2 bands I grew out of both on 1 bill these days
From the moment I heard 68 Guns onwards, I bought every Alarm 7 inch, 12 inch, album, EP, tshirt I could get hold of for about 4 years. I remember my brother once saying about me to one of his mates that "he lives, breathes and shits The Alarm."
My first gig was The Alarm at the Southampton Gaumont. My 2nd gig was another band I grew out of after a couple of years, Big Country at Wembley Arena. (Kate Bush came on to sing a song called The Seer with them)
Had loads of stuff by both bands but all on vinyl (sold years ago) so I can't listen to either of those bands again to see what I think of it now.
However the other day, this video came up as a suggestion on the Youtube sidebar thingy. I watched it and was surprisingly moved, but probably not so much by the music and more by what has happened in the years since to the 2 lead singers of those 2 bands.
The Alan Parsons Project
God help me, but as a 12 year old my big sister gave me copies of 'Tales of Mystery and Imagination' and 'I, Robot' on cassette
I wore those tapes to a frazzle
Then she gave me a copy of 'Eye in the Sky' - what feeble, warbling AOR crud...
How dare all all those bands and music I loved long ago ...
fail to live up to the standards I set in stone.
I haven't changed a whit!