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The Archers - What's that about?
The Archers gets a mention from time to time on here in an oblique sort of way, so I thought someone here could enlighten me...
It would be arrogant in the extreme to say it's crap, just because I don't like it, when it has so many fans, and it has survived so long in a highly competitive environment, but if it weren't for those significant bits of evidence, that is exactly what I'd be calling it. I fully accept that it must have a huge amount going for it, and this is a genuine question
What I think I hear are plots which develop predictably and at geological pace, two-dimensional characters you don't really believe in enough to care about, bad accents, lots of heavy sighs, and scenes which don't seem to add anything to the story other than another cameo of uneventful rural and domestic life.
There's a lot of it about, so it would be quite handy to enjoy it. Can anyone help me here?
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I'm with you Mr Tiler
I tried to make myself like it - because it's on Radio 4, because otherwise sane and sensible people of good judgement like it and because I thought it would provide a pleasant background to my evening drive home.
I found I couldn't stomach it for pretty much the same reasons that you outline. Anyone under the age of - let's say 55 - who claim they like it are doing so through sheer force of will - or out of deference to their parents's tastes or as a rite of invocation to an imagined England.
In short, it's much-a-larkins-about-nowt-manglin-snugbar-skittlesbollocks.
I'm well under, say, 55…
… and I'm a fan, basically because I've grown up listening to it (Chinese White Bedsock, anyone?), so it's always been there. Sometimes it's not 'good'; sometimes it is, but that long ago ceased to be relevant.
Don't worry
Won't catch on. I give it another fifty years at most.
Just because
something's been around for a long time doesn't mean it's any good.
Racism for example. Or Light Opera.
The G&S troll is sated.
Let him sleep.
We must let him sleep
Oh yes we must let him sleep, let him sleep, let him sleep. Let him sleep a little more, oh yes we must let him sleep let him sleep let him sleep yes we must let him sleep some more &c &c &c
(I wasn't here for what was obviously an entertaining G&S debate so I had to get the above in.)
Heavy sighing...
Adam & Joe did an edit of an episode of The Archers where they just kept the sighing. It was hilarious (and also sounded very filthy at times). It's probably still on their 6Music blog somewhere.
the audio for adam and joe archers sighing
Here it is:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radio4/audio/Adam_and_Joe_Archers_sighs_13062...
Archers' Sighs
This is classic, thanks Adman and Chailey. I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed.
For a spell, myself and the wee Tilers used to track the AHSC (Archers Heavy Sigh Count), which we held to be as much a monitor of the national mood as the local free newspaper's FPC (Fatuous Pun Count - you know the sort of headline - "Running Total" for a guy who raised money by running a marathon, etc)
Steven!
...
Interesting question...
I have only been listening to the Archers for a couple of years. This is mainly because I spend a lot of time in the car and since it's now availabe on a podcast I can listen to it at my leisure while travelling. Why do I like it?
It's life in a place that I don't live in (the country).
It's full of types of people I don't generally come across living in London.
It runs at a pace which is not at all like my life.
There is a certain feel to The Archers which is very similar to the feel of a few tv programmes not saying that they are particulary good but I hope you get my drift - 'Last of the summer wine' (in it's early days). 'Dad's army'. Maybe because they don't seem to become out of date like many other sit com/tv shows do. Not the the best critic I'm afraid but maybe it's just because it's there and at times it's funny/moving/informative.
The Archers taught the Wire
everything it knows about plotting , character development and humour. It's less violent and the female characters aren't contractually obliged to strip off in their first scene but apart from that....
I don't like soaps normally living in london eastenders is the most alien of them all but the archers I've always just enjoyed and have done since I was alot younger.
I listen to it
...because in the evening it is sandwiched between the comedy slot at 6.30 (often v.good) and the Arts programme Front Row (nearly always v.good). I'm usually cooking the tea, with the radio on, at that time...and...well...dammit, before you know it you need to know whether the cad Brian has got anyone else up the duff lately
Radio 4 in the background - osmotic soap
if you have radio 4 on all day (and i do, as do lots of other people) then your ears prick up when you hear something interesting and you zone out the dross ... ('really? how much for a beach hut?')
in among all this however, at 1902hrs Sunday to Friday (repeated at 1402hr Mon-Fri), comes the archers and whether you like it or not is almost beside the point - given that it occupies a place somewhere between background noise and engaging radio, but has a continuing narrative, it tends to get soaked up along with all the other stuff, building on a structure that you have, somehow, internalised ... radio osmosis
then you're out in the pub and someone says, "that caroline really gets on my tits" and suddenly everyone's off - 20 mins of moaning about the archers ... you haven't even been conscious of *paying attention* but it instantly becomes clear that you remember the various storylines over the last few weeks better than you remember friends' birthdays ...
i like football - but i have to make an effort to go to games, keep up with rumours and gossip or watch it on tv ... with the archers i know a similar amount of detail having expended *zero effort* (aside from flicking the radio on when i get up) ...
surely there's a media studies/psychology PhD in this?
"What's the appeal of...?"
To the OP: The same question could be leveled at every activity known to man -- and certainly at most TV output. I'm not a follower, but - like Glenbervie - I have R4 on all day. You may as well dislike sunrise following sunset -- it just IS.
It is just "is"
Most religions don't have as much back story and mythology as the "Archers" it's been going longer than scientiology. It has it's own creation myth (Grace burning to death in the Barn, take that ITV), prophets and it would seem heretics!
It is...
...Archers (.) It's been going longer than (S)cientology.
So, there!
Not a Heretic...
...an agnostic.
Maybe it is a religion somewhere. Imagine a tiny isolated community in the heart of a jungle where the religion is based on The Archers, a former leader having heard it on the BBC World Service from a 'talkbox' lost by white explorers, just before the batteries died.
Their makeshift temple
would be called " Nelson's wine Bar" and on feast days they'd eat "quiche" and a Pint "shires" or some ropey "Gamay"
Some Good Insights, Thanks
Sounds like I was trying too hard, and expecting too much.
Maybe though it's just too removed from my own urban background here in Scotland for me to identify with any of it: Our recent holiday in Cornwall brought home to me how very, very different southern English rural life is from what I'm used to.
My next "it can't really be as crap as I think, so what am I missing?" challenge would be cricket, but I'll digest the lessons of this one first.
But doesn't good drama over come
regionality. I don't live in medieval japan but can relate to the "seven Samurai's" plight. Which is why I detest "eastenders" (our flat is just on the opening credits bottom right!) because it's nonsense heightened characters and bizarre and tediously grim story lines seem to lack the humanity that the Archer less harsh country tales have.
Oh and one of my best friend is scottish and hopelessly mad for cricket! :)
Fair Point, Chris G
Especially since I'm a great fan of the original Thousand And One Arabian Nights stories - and there are no jinn in lamps, wicked sorcerers, or, indeed, high-breasted virgins round these parts.
Maybe it's that, for me, the Archers characters aren't close enough to identify with, but not distant enough to have the appeal of the exotic.
And I hate our East Enders equivalent, River City, but loved John Byrne's Tutti Frutti, also locally set.
Do you have the same experience as I do coming back from holiday - an instant aversion to the local accents you haven't heard for two weeks?
This being london we don't have local accents!
you get off the Metro in Madrid to a babble of spanish get on plane get back on the tube in LDN and it's still a babble of spanish, or polish, or german or somali. Don't mind it's just normal. And after 2 weeks of tapas and Jamon (which I love I am bizarely desperate for some nooddles or maybe a curry).
No local accents...
I'll second that except for the difference between North and South Londoners! Off to Skiathos for a fortnight this weekend and I'm already thinking of that curry when I get back.
Archers fans are a breed apart
...and if you're a Radio Times type person, then it's the acceptable face of soap. It's only one you'd say you liked out loud, even though you secretly like Corrie (hence this week's cover) and the others.
That said, I do dip in and have long periods when I'm listening and equally long ones when I'm not. For every polytunnel, farming quotas or sausage competition storyline there's a decent dark secret, love triangle or racism plot to balance it out.
It helps if you can identify the voices, and once that's done you're in.
I can honestly say I never watch
soaps apart from at Xmas when visting our relations and only then it's to be "sociable" and usually get told off for making "comments" and have to sit grumpily in enforced "silence" through the toe curling dialogue, creaky plots and relentess grimness (in 'stenders case); silently praying that Midsomer Murders isn't coming on next.
Most of the times it's a blessed relief to volunteer to do the washing up and catch up with what's going on in the Bull.
"Comments"
The thing is, when you've formed a wonderfully cutting comment, you just can't keep it to yourself can you? This is what makes it impossible for me to "just be sociable" when the family is watching any soap ("Hmm I can't help noticing signs that things are beginning to sour in that relationship"), medical drama ("Gosh, that doctor ignored the dictates of his conservative superiors and did it his way and the patient made a complete recovery!")any reality TV show ("No, it's fine, I'm really fascinated by the antics of loud, greedy, stupid, self-promoting people"), Top Gear ("Oh he's so outrageous how does he get away with these remarks, about cars? And that Richard Hammond - he's not very tall is he?")
It always ends in "Dad, if you're going to start...!".
last time I had to watch
corrie "sociably" someone drove a car into the canal (which seems to happen a lot on soaps!) When I wondered aloud how this division one pyscho had driven his Nissan Micra down the narrow tow path in the first place, I was threatened with a cup of hot tea.
I finally went to get a "signal" in the garden when the same nutter was welcomed (still dripping) back into the bosom of his family ten minutes later having almost drowned his sister, I mean come on me and my brother didn't talk for 2 months after an argument about cooling towers....
I agree, Lucky
I'm also from an urban Scottish background. Don't know whether that is a factor in my dislike of The Archers or not. All I can say is that the programme induces a feeling of mild nausea in me, much the same as I feel when accidentally hearing Steve Wright's Sunday Love Songs or Simon Bates (or just about anything, come to that) on Classic FM. Makes me want to read an Irvine Welsh novel as an antidote - and that's saying something!
when you say "mild nausea"
do mean dizziness or do you get ringing in your ears or maybe some violent reflux and have to sit down. It does sound serious if you have to read Welsh's thin over praised work to see it off maybe you've got swine flu?
I was attempting humour...
...which obviously failed. I mentioned Irvine Welsh as his work was the furthest-removed thing I could think of from Ambridge, but you're clearly a fan and I touched a nerve, so fair enough.
It worked for me, Dougie
And I'm right with you on Bates and Wright
Cheers
Good job I didn't mention how 'gutted' I am when it comes on...
I fear both our attempts at humour
floundered!
There is something about The Archers
which if I were pretentious I would call "je ne sais quoi". May be it's the fact that unlike TV soaps it hasn't succumbed to armed sieges, plane crashes or ridiculous gangster plots, so it still seems more grounded in "reality". Maybe it's because being on radio we all carry around our own individual picture of what Eddie Grundy, Ruth Archer or Alan the Vicar look like. May be it just has better developed characters (on the whole). Or maybe it is just the fact, as a previous poster alluded, that it can sink into your subconscious while you are doing something else and you suddenly find that you know a great deal about why the uneasy peace between Shula and Usha was shattered.
Mind you, I write as someone who used to schedule meetings at my company's main depot at 215 as it was a 15 minute drive from my office.
Ridiculous gangster plots…
Dunno, that Steven Chalkman is a bit of a hard case
and what about
Jazza?
Growing up in a Radio 4 household
The Archers music would prompt my dad to rise from his chair and hit the off button. Even Just a Minute was allowed to burble on in the background sometimes, but never the Archers.
I'm with him now am as much Jim Naughtie as Rob da Bank. But the missus is a fan, I think it's a comfort thing. If the Archers is on on Sunday morning then all is basically OK. Actual content is irrelevent.
ps as we are on Radio 4 matters, is the fact that the disappearance of the Today programme is the signal for us to nuke whoever is in that sealed letter not a truly English phenomenon. I'm not sure the Americans would press the button if Katie Couric went off air.
My dad wouldn't listen to The Archers as a matter of principle.
They took Dick Barton: Special Agent off the Home Service in 1951 and replaced it with some twaddle about country folk. My dad, then aged eleven, was mortified and refused to listen to this Archers rubbish and bore a grudge towards what became Radio 4 to his dying day.
RIP Phil Archer
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8331558.stm