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The Apprentice - can you be too confident?

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Well I did what I always do and started watching the new series of The Apprentice. All the usual stuff was there - brilliant aerial shots of London, moody music and Sir Alan's slightly weird facial hair. So far so good. And then the contestants. As ever, all ever so slightly odd with a couple borderline certifiable. But as the show progressed, it occurred to me that the contestants were all shamelessly overconfident. And not just a little but fantastically so - Liam Gallagher like levels.

One of them thinks that business is the new rock n roll. And he's Elvis.

Another thinks making money is better than sex.

My favourite is the one who thinks that business is the backbone to this world and without companies buying and selling there wouldn't be any economy. Step aside Keynes and Friedman, there is a new kid in town.

All of this with a face so straight the Mona Lisa would lose a staring competition to any of them.

Can you be too confident? Is it appealing? Or does the idea of these people failing on BBC1 in front of millions make this perfect television?

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You've hit the nail on the head

I don't follow it, but when I have watched it I'm not interested in who wins.
It's watching them get fired that's the interesting part.

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ChaosandMorphine | 26 March 2009 - 2:52pm

Working in Carphone Warehouse by the end of the series

Can you be too confident?

Oh absolutely, judging by the fact that every single one of them is utterly repellant.

I'm sure one of the swaggering cockmonkeys in the last series said something like "I'm the most successful salesperson in the world today" which beggars belief on a grand scale.
Surely if you were the most successful salesperson in the world today you wouldn't need to go on this tawdry gameshow fronted by the ludicrous Suralan, who lest we forget was the "mastermind" behind that dominant force in the world of electronics, Amstrad.

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kmndr | 26 March 2009 - 2:56pm

Amstrad are

the kings of the skybox mind.

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Leedsboy | 26 March 2009 - 2:57pm

Fair enough

Someone has to be.

Still though, if it wasn't made by them it'd be cobbled together in a Taiwanese sweatshop.

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kmndr | 26 March 2009 - 3:06pm

They *are* cobbled together in a Taiwanese sweatshop

but it's under the control of Amstrad.

On a point of detail, Suralan isn't anything to do with Amstrad any more, it was bought out by Sky a year or two back.

His big business these days is Amsprop

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stimpy | 26 March 2009 - 3:13pm

Well...

...they did eventually buyout Sinclair Research after Sir Clive failed to learn from his mistakes and near-as-damn-it ran his company into the ground by launching the C5...

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Paolo Meccano | 26 March 2009 - 3:35pm

Best salesperson

That really irritated me too. If that were truly the case she'd have been fighting off the headhunters and not looking to become an Amstrad apprentice.
But clearly she wasn't bright enough to realise this.

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Carl Parker | 28 March 2009 - 7:00pm

Now stop making things up

The girl was not quite so bullish as that, if memory serves she thought she was "probably the best salesperson in Europe"

Clearly The Apprentice is not meant to be taken seriously, you wouldn't want any of them as work colleagues, but I reckon it is a very entertaining piece of Telly.

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Salty | 27 March 2009 - 6:10pm

Amstrad

who, less we forget, made the e-m@iler, which I'm sure we all bought and continue to use 'til this day.

I get completely engrossed last year and probably will this year but it's just a big pantomime really, isn't it? It's been said before, but it's basically Big Brother for the middle-classes.

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Joe R | 26 March 2009 - 2:59pm

"I'm a rough, tough cream puff"

They must make them say the most absurd things possible, just so you instantly hate them and stay hooked for the rest of the series.

It always works on me.

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Five-Centres | 26 March 2009 - 3:06pm

Do they use manatees?

I bet they do.

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kmndr | 26 March 2009 - 3:16pm

The BBC Magazine asks exactly that question

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7961087.stm
The obvious point though, is that this is an entertainment show and the, ahem, candidates are chosen to be entertaining, and I am duly entertained by it. It's bascially a cross between the X Factor and, in the ways which they're goaded into fighting like rats in a sack, Big Brother, though less honest than either in it's manipulation of viewer and participant alike. In other words, good telly.

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Gatz | 26 March 2009 - 3:09pm

I Cannot Watch Nor Listen From Another Room

My wife loves the programme. I have to leave the room. I just want to slap all their smug terrified sweaty little faces. And the things they say...they need to be gagged.

I did sit through the intro to see what this lot looked like. My God, each of them had a face like an arse and breath to match probably.

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SimonL | 26 March 2009 - 3:34pm

I can't believe...

...we're this far into a thread on whether or not to watch something questionable on TV without someone already having suggested that you go out and buy a 50-disc box set of The Wire and watch that instead. Not that I'm advising that anyone do so.

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Colin H | 26 March 2009 - 3:44pm

Especially when you can now buy a 12-DVD set

of almost everything Ronnie Barker made for the BBC

- Seven Of One
- Porridge
- Going Straight
- Open All Hours
- Clarence
- The Magnificent Evans

Comedy genius

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stimpy | 26 March 2009 - 3:47pm

There's an even cheaper option...

that's miles better than watching The Arselicker.

Put nothing in your DVD player and stare at the screen that tells you NO DISC.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 26 March 2009 - 8:04pm

At this stage you cannot be too confident

case in point, last night's show -

Crazy super-bitch survives, even though she messed up royally.

Quite-nice but equally at fault Mona survives because she argues her case relatively competently.

Quite, under-confident girl ends up out on her ear.

However, there were a lot of people who seemed to sail through that task, never saying anythig camera-worthy who all survived without a scare, including some of the girls. Once you get in the board-room, there is no such thing as being too confdient, as longas you direct your cockiness towards fellow contestants.

It's hardly worth saying that it's the King of Reality TV.

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Jonah | 26 March 2009 - 3:45pm

I know we talk about all sorts

of culture and telly round here but anyone who willing watches the apprentice should pay back the cost of their education and be ashamed of themselves. It tosh wrapped up in big bag of nonsense hidden in the bottom of a dustbin marked "very possibly the straw that broke the camel's back and drag this once great country into a giant pit of uselessness and self harm" wasn't there a police chase programme on or something about buying a house?
You are all sacked!

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Chris G | 26 March 2009 - 4:15pm

So you don't have...

...any strong views on the matter, then, Chris?

Actually, I agree - I kind of sleep-walked into watching the past couple of Apprentice series for some reason (marvelling at grotesques has long been a human trait, but we should repel such base instincts from our nature!) but determined, quite easily it transpired, simply not to watch it this time round. To chose to leave these grasping self-publicists to rot in their own pool of unwatched TV. More time for reading books or seeing friends or, well, anything else at all, really!

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Colin H | 26 March 2009 - 4:24pm

Seeing friends?

Pah, they're all watching The Apprentice.

And, apparently it was on in the local. Who wants to sit in a pub watching Alan Sugar?

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SimonL | 26 March 2009 - 4:32pm

Er, it's only telly

There's a big difference between "reality TV" and "reality." The Apprentice has never been represented as a documentary-like recreation of UK business practice, it's a gameshow every bit as much as "Deal Or No Deal" is, just more interesting than watching people guess which number is in which box. It's "cast" in exactly the same way as any drama with the express purpose of generating great TV moments, and edited to oblivion to create a storyline as followable as a soap opera. It even has a "set" (Suralan's offices are in Brentwood in Essex, and the boardroom is a TV studio - they never go anywhere near Docklands.) I love it, but don't take it remotely seriously, and actually prefer the US version, like ours turned up to 11, with "The Donald" and his ridiculous syrup and 16 OTT contestants like the "rough tough creampuff" all out for blood... love it.

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Metal Mickey | 26 March 2009 - 4:34pm

Defence for the Apprentice

It's pretty damn exciting.

Defence rests.

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Jonah | 26 March 2009 - 4:29pm

I agree, I love it

People take things far too seriously here. As Metal Mickey says, it's only telly.

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Five-Centres | 26 March 2009 - 4:39pm

I love it, me

as does Mrs Path. The contestants this year seem a little too obviously based on previous gargoyle templates but, hey, it isn't real. (Is it?) Apropos the quiet under-confident girl, you mean the conniving lawyer with a cats bottom mouth, covering her back to save her (ef)front(ery), nah, wrong there, matey. Altho' clearly, she needed the sack less than the giantess with a stone face, but, sadly for her, the producers recognised some future mileage out of the spat that will grow and grow between her and Mona, whose south african accent suddenly kept bursting thru' under stress. Can't wait. I particularly can't wait to see if the tubby fella with the interesting beard turns out to be a super-bastard, like the one without the beard in the last series.
Overly personal remarks? You're welcome. I only say it to save you the bother.
P.S. Love Margarets arch severe make-over. She and her male side-kick, Nick, is it, really make the show as they display their ridicule and contempt for the whole circus of freaks parading before them.

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Retropath2 | 26 March 2009 - 4:41pm

well that's

at least three cheques being sent to DCFES then it won't matter about nobody buying "guilts" once people start to attone for watching rubbish.
If you like drama watch drama, people were complaining about the dearth of worthwhile culture in Noughties and then you watch stuff like the apprentice.

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Chris G | 26 March 2009 - 4:59pm

Buying 'guilts'?

What are 'guilts' and how does one buy them?

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stimpy | 26 March 2009 - 5:44pm

You need to consult

Father Fehily.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 26 March 2009 - 8:08pm

I don't see what's wrong with the Apprentice

It's pure entertainment, watching deluded youngsters playing at being business people. Where's the harm in that?

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Five-Centres | 26 March 2009 - 5:51pm

Cat's bottom mouth

That describes it. We were stuck with her nickname but the sour faced woman who nearly went last night was given the title of Melty Faced Corr. We should nickname them all.

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Leedsboy | 26 March 2009 - 5:48pm

"tubby fella with the interesting beard"

Whoever this man is, he quite clearly ticks all the boxes for future Word-cover stardom.

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Colin H | 26 March 2009 - 4:51pm

DCFES?

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Retropath2 | 26 March 2009 - 5:05pm

sorry

added an extra vowel .
http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/

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Chris G | 26 March 2009 - 5:31pm

and?

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Retropath2 | 26 March 2009 - 5:57pm

I fail to see the connection

What's your point?

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Five-Centres | 26 March 2009 - 6:02pm

Are you going to tell on us?

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Retropath2 | 26 March 2009 - 6:12pm

This might not be an especially novel occurence...

but I was somewhat pissed off by the fact that the BBC news trailed 'The Apprentice' at 6pm on the night of transmission. If I watch the news I expect to see news, not adverts for upcoming BBC programmes featuring some hideous bearded monstrosity with a face like a warthog's arse.

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Patrick Crowther | 26 March 2009 - 5:35pm

"some hideous bearded monstrosity"

Who was it that said that Alan Sugar looks like a dirty cotton bud?

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Jonah | 28 March 2009 - 4:12pm

"hideous bearded monstrosity with a face like a warthog's arse"

Yep, sounds like another shoo-in for a Word cover, to me...

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Colin H | 26 March 2009 - 5:37pm

Is Sir Alan all that wealthy anymore?

I notice they didn't use the previous "Sir Alan...worth...xyz millions" in the introduction. Given he has sold Amstrad and invested massively in commercial property in recent years and this has seen collosal falls in value, maybe he's not worth as much as we think he is.

And where will the winner now work?

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kb | 26 March 2009 - 6:22pm

Amskint

Could this be the name of his new financial services vehicle?

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Colin H | 26 March 2009 - 6:34pm

Wealthy enough, I should think...

He won't be doing the telly show for nowt, for a kick-off.

Where will the winner work? Carphone Warehouse, eventually....

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Paul Waring | 26 March 2009 - 6:41pm

His two main vehicles are now...

Amsprop and Amsair - a commercial property company and an executive jet charter business - can't be the best businesses to be in at present.

Then again, through Amsprop he owns shedloads of quality commercial property in London and elsewhere. If he can hold onto it all through the slump he stands to make a killing. My understanding is he's not carrying as much debt as many.

My GLW is a commercial property surveyor and has worked with Amsprop. Her verdict is they're sharp and invest wisely. He seems to employ decent professionals behind the scenes.

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stimpy | 26 March 2009 - 7:00pm

I have got a Continental Guilt

Is that any good? Its Tog 10 whatever that means.
Apprentice is pretty compulsive viewing and I am pretty pissed off that I missed it last night. Yes its banal but so is most of the stuff on the tv - surely we are entitled to some popular culture occasionally without having to be grilled by the Taste Police?

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Steve Turner | 26 March 2009 - 7:51pm

See it on BBC iPlayer

It's almost probably there.

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Neil Jung | 26 March 2009 - 8:24pm

The Apprentice in Lego

For the last 4 series, the Boleg Bros have recreated each episode of The Apprentice in Lego.


Nothing from Series 5 yet but it's on the way


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stimpy | 26 March 2009 - 8:25pm

Blatant yet relevant self-promotion

I got into series two of The Apprentice in a big way, and decided to write to all the contestants with a deeply serious question. The results can be read on my long-neglected blog.

Well, it amused me at the time.

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Fraser Lewry | 26 March 2009 - 8:28pm

FAQ, Fraser, FAQ

Only kidding.......

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Retropath2 | 27 March 2009 - 9:20am

It's tremendous fun

and "You're Fired" is the essential companion piece

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frinck | 26 March 2009 - 8:32pm

Coerced into a sweepstake by my colleagues

I now have a vested interest in Mona (by name and nature it seems). I was absolutely certain that my interest would be over very quickly as she came across as the Queen of all bitches. But no! The Queen lives to fight another day and my two quid is safe for another week.

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Steerpike | 26 March 2009 - 11:45pm

In my day

we had Summertime Special, The Good Old Days and The Black and White Minstrel Show for entertainment. The BBC just isn't what it used to be. Country's gone to the dogs.

The only negative thing I would say about The Apprentice is that, like all these shows that run and run, is that it's got so repetitive and predictable, but I guess it's hard to keep coming up with new ideas that work. I still find much amusement from it, and can't help being sucked in to the manipulated suspense of it all.

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Sven Garlic | 28 March 2009 - 11:24am

I feel the same about all the over-hyped American series

The Wire, Sopranos, etc etc that go on for hundreds of episodes.

Give me a British show, written by one or two writers, that consists of 6 tightly scripted episodes any time - Filthy Rich & Catflap, Going Straight, The History Man, Our Friends In The North, (ok, that was 9 episodes)

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stimpy | 28 March 2009 - 12:22pm

The History Man

Now that was a really great serial. Similarly not outstaying their welcome, and marvellous - GBH and Edge of Darkness. Mind you I do like The Wire - only seen first series so far though. It does something different with that extra time I feel.

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Sven Garlic | 28 March 2009 - 1:10pm

The Lego Apprentice - Series 5 Episode 1


You can't say they don't work fast!

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stimpy | 28 March 2009 - 5:12pm

As Someone Said, There's Not Much Harm In It

But there is just a little: You do get people - you really do - who believe that the real world of work is like that, and make arses of themselves as a result. However, there's a net benefit: it flushes out at least some complete idiots before they can do too much damage in the workplace.

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Lucky Tiler | 31 March 2009 - 3:52pm

Lost: The Only True Lesson About Business in The Apprentice

The only true lesson about business that you will learn from The Apprentice, is the one demonstrated by Alan Sugar but lost in the considerable noise: Your product might be largely fake, of little real relevance, low in quality and despised by experts, but if people buy it, it's successful.

From what I've read, Amstrad appears to be a similar success story.

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Lucky Tiler | 31 March 2009 - 3:57pm

The same could be said of many companies...

In the field of quality audio reproduction, Bose and B&O spring immediately to mind

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stimpy | 31 March 2009 - 4:30pm

Brand over substance

The modern way of selling.

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Leedsboy | 31 March 2009 - 10:12pm

I don't know if it made his fortune or not...

...but his CPC range of computers were pretty good: better graphics than both the Spectrum and Commodore (no attribute clash and a bigger colour palette), able to handle isometric and 3-D graphics as well as (if not better than) its competitors... the thing which ultimately let it down was its comparatively late launch date which meant it was always lagging behind the other two.

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Paolo Meccano | 1 April 2009 - 10:20am

I seem to remember his initial fortune was made

by cheap stereo 'tower' systems. The computers came a little later (and probably topped the fortune up very nicely thank you)

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stimpy | 1 April 2009 - 10:36am

What Does Amstrad Do Now?

I had a pair of Amstrad speakers, bought in the 70s, which served me very well, until I left them in a damp cellar too long. Next time I went to use them, the chipboard speaker casings had been weakened by the damp, and I had the surreal experience of seeing them disintegrate piece-by-piece with every heavy bass note. Definitely not Amstrad's fault.

When I wrote:

"From what I've read, Amstrad appears to be a similar success story."

I really did mean the italicised bit, based on comments I'd seen on here, which I think were referring to more recent products.

As usual, it's the waggish throw-away comment that elicits all the comment.

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Lucky Tiler | 1 April 2009 - 3:52pm

They're now owned by Sky

and make pretty much all their set-top boxes.

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stimpy | 1 April 2009 - 4:26pm

Function over form...

I do recall that Alan Sugar was the first to realise that the reason people bought computers was to actually DO something useful with them rather than learn to programme them. He sold them as "word processors" with limited built-in functions and his first Locoscript model was successful as it reached parts of the market who wouldn't be interested in programming BASIC.

At the time there were only BBC Micros, Commodores and the dreaded ZX Spectrums and had to be filled up by squeaky tape recorders or programming endless meaningless code from magazines.

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poolhallrichard | 1 April 2009 - 10:51am

Well, what about this week?

Back on top form, I thought as Nick and Margaret grimaced their way thru the minefield of embarrassments in both teams, with som eexcellent emerging spats making themselves evident.
I just love it Seralan says "I'm talking" as some hapless idiot digs on regardless........

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Retropath2 | 3 April 2009 - 6:39pm

I loved

the line about the "last time I was that hurt was when my cat died". Just great. James is one to watch - he may be comedy personified.

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Leedsboy | 3 April 2009 - 10:54pm

As a late adopter on this thread...

there's little I can add to my fellow "what's to like" posters, but I must say thanks for the Bolegbros Lego Apprentice link post. And given the greatness of the Lego clips, I can't see why anyone would want to watch the whole god-awful programme.

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hermon hermit | 5 April 2009 - 5:07pm
stimpy | 6 April 2009 - 8:45am
stimpy | 14 April 2009 - 5:13pm

The winner's prize

I've just remembered something weird from last week (8th April). The winning team went to Kenwood House in Hampstead to hear Katherine Jenkins give a private recital. Why was a trained opera singer using a microphone in a room? She's supposedly able to project across opera houses without a mic, so I don't understand why she was using one there.

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Carl Parker | 14 April 2009 - 7:37pm

Because, good though she is, she can't sing loud enough

to reach every possible viewer of The Apprentice. The mic was needed to record the vocals. They could, of course, have used ambient mics but they're not great at picking up quality singing

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stimpy | 14 April 2009 - 8:24pm
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