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The final four...
...seem to be worthy finalists with each having quite distinct merits. I cannot decide who is going to win but I am wondering if SAS, sorry LS, pulls a fast one and selects Tom's business plan but has him running it in a partnership with one of the others, probably Helen.
See Their Light
trouble is, aren't they ultimately going to be judged on what their business proposition is for Lord Sir Alan? We don't know what these are yet do we, unless I've missed a bit. Helen would win a normal Apprentice final hands down, but for all we know her business plan might be a new diet cat food, Cat Size
Helen & Susan
I agree with your "Helen would win a normal Apprentice final hands down" and suspect that she will have only a corporate kind of business idea that would be unworkable. Anyone whose business plan is airy-fairy or corporate BS-based will be shot down in flames.
Susan might well come up a me-too product idea where she has already sourced a far east supplier. This would be irresistible to LS who built his empire on cheaper imitations of other people's higher quality products.
Why do so many people back Tom?
I know he has experience of taking a new product to market, but in every task he has seemed barely competent and lacking in leadership. Yet in several editions of You're Fired (so called because it's catchier than the more honest title You're Not Going to Be My Business Partner) the panel have been picking him out as a likely winner.
It's got to be Helen all the way. Susan has a great back story but seems immature and dumb as a box of rocks, and Jim is charming but manipulative.
Entertaining telly whoever wins.
Broadly agree
Tom seems like a good batty inventor, sometimes brilliant, most times a disaster. I wouldn't want him running anything. My money's on Helen depending on what her business plan and idea look like. I bet she was behind writing down the business plan this week. I suspect Jim will be the interview round surprise explosion - remember the guy who had been great all the way through hone it turned out he'd lied on his CV? Susan is attractive and smart and clearly tough so I suspect she'll be OK whatever happens.
remember the guy who had
But I do recall that Lee went on to win that season, despite this and the reverse pteradactyl impression. Shows what a pantomime it really is at root. Still - I continue to find it compulsive and reckon Tom or Susan is going to win.
He's an inventor
that can sell, even if it's just nodding dogs. If I were from an electronic consumer product background, investing in a new business I'd feel much more comfortable with a well managed R&D guy that's learned from his mistakes than some highly polished corporate drone that produces nothing every time they open their mouth.
And Siral always wins. How we love the moneyed up spiv tearing a strip out of the corporate twonks. Great TV.
EDIT: I appear to have a hangover and can't write diddly.
I think Tom
looks better as the groups get smaller. He struggled to compete with all the "look at me" loudmouths. I thought he was particularly strong this week where his ideas where not shot down by someone who wanted the limelight. But that reflected well on Helen as well. Either of those two must win it I'd say.
Yup. With you
I don't watch early rounds - too much Big Brother personality bollocks. Once you get down to the last 6 it's a lot cooler.
Helen or Tom to Win. LS has all the business stuff so he needs ideas and someone to manage the details, that's why I shoot for Tom as final winner.
I think Tom
should have paid more attention in History. He's not a moron, so how come he's so badly informed?
Agreed
Although not knowing where (or what) Caracas was is marginally worse. But it wouldn't be entertaining if it were full of bright people - it would be like The Great Egg Race or something. Oh. Hang on a minute...
But
It was Caraca's. Which one was Caraca we weren't told.
Heh.
I didn't spot the apostrophe. Must listen to more Frank.
YDFMLT
I tried, I really did.
I watched one episode - my first and onliest. I don't get it. Is the enjoyment purely about the schadenfreude of seeing someone make a twat of themselves on national television? Because they're all such cunts! It made me incredibly edgy, and I haven't been back.
Ghastly.
Saw 10 minutes of the first series, wanted to slaughter everyone involved and vowed never to watch it again.
Obviously
made a lasting impression on you....
:-)
Yeah...
like a dose of the clap.
Tom to win
It's a partnership instead of a job, so really with The Lord's backing of money, all he'll need the winner to do is come up with a decent business plan and a product or two, and he can get his henchmen to make it happen. Tom's got that experience already, and is in a much better position to create something that cna get to a mass market.
Susie has experience of a company, but is too immature for The Lord's needs. Also, she would be murdered within ten minutes of being in the same room as a lot of people.
Helen is too corporate for The Lord. He doesn't like clever people, especially clever wimmin wot ain't dun it since they were 17.
Jim's been kept on to be the shredee in the interviews (there's always one)
My concern over this series...
... is that everything that happened in the first 11 weeks might count for nothing in the final when it's just the business plan that counts, so why bother?
If it's all about previous performance, the winner has to be Helen, who's only been in the losing team once, and conversely, it can't be Tom, who's lost more than anyone else.
I agree Jim is just there to be torn apart at the interviews, but my money's on Susan winning - notwithstanding how different their upbringings were, I think LS sees a lot of himself in her (oh, stop it), she's won enough times to be credible, is usually right about things, and is young enough to grow and make the most of the coaching (and muscle) LS would bring to the partnership.
vorgona and I
Never miss it. It's one of the bedrocks of our marriage! We call it King of the Wankers.
What I'd give to have the voicover guy say ' all of them hoping to be crowned King.....of the Wankers.
Heart says Tom, Head says Helen
I hate all reality shows. But I love the Apprentice. I think it's possibly because it doesn't pretend to be even close to reality: if LordSurAlan really wanted an apprentice, he'd just do the interviews. The whole thing is reduced to pantomime, but the contestants still stand to win something really important to them. Perhaps another part of the appeal is that I know I wouldn't stand a chance. It's as much a test of tolerance and one's ability to talk oneself out of a tricky situation. I would lose as soon as I stepped foot in the boardroom.
Anyway, Tom seems a genuinely decent fellow, and I bet he has an interesting (if slightly bonkers) business plan. Helen would have won any previous series, but I can't imagine she's got anything exciting business-wise. I'm sure they'll give it all 110% going forward.
Wot, no Claud?
Highlight of previous series has been the interviews round, clearly not taking place this year, if n/w the final. Shame, as the highlight has always been Milords sidekick, Claud, the scariest interviewer in christendom and beyond.
I understand the final is the interviews
It's the 'lets bring the other candidates back to help out the final two' round which has been dropped.
Good.
I hope most of them have now been handed down 16 month custodial sentences for bandwidth theft.
Apparently Jim is some kind of local legend...
...in Cookstown, NI. But then, as someone who's been to Cookstown a few times, I can see how that can happen - it's a small market town in the middle of nowhere whose claim to fame is that it has the widest main street in Europe, or something like that. Maybe Jim's told everyone round there that he can use his Jedi like conbination of charm and spookiness to convince everyone else that it has the widest street in the whole world, and that it possesses the title deeds to the planet Venus, granted in perpetuity by Prestor John on behalf of the Pope sometime in the 12th century and that he is the reincarnation of Alexander The Great, whose business ideas (with a few quid start-up from LS) are going to conquer the known world.
Alternatively, LS could just go for a cheap hand cream idea from Susan.
One question though: has Tom not realised that there's a fabulous invention out there already called 'the razor'? His Ant Hill Mob look is ridiculous. Maybe some people suit designer stubble, but he's not one of them...
Cheap handjob from Susan.....
or did I misread that?
jim is a fucking gobshite
As a Paddy I get really pissed off watching people like him; all unfounded self-belief and 'charm' using that oul' blarney.
I am soooo looking forward to Claud chewing him up and expectorating him into a mouldy dentist's spitoon.
Mmm. I feel better now.
Sorry for the language...
Seconded!
Glad to agree with you VG on this one. The guy is a joke.
Having said that, Helen gives me the creeps (where does she keep all the lemons she sucks whenever anyone annoys her?), Susan, whatever hard-luck back-story she has (and I haven't a clue - I only ever watch the last two or three episodes of this charade), is 24 carat gormless, and the Mad Professor needs to be working for a Bruce Wayne type with bottomless funding. Siralan isn't that person.
What I'm hoping for is that he sacks the bloody lot of them and strops off out of the boardroom, apprentice-light and muttering to himself.
The apprentice
Serious question - I have never watched it, am I missing out?
It's good if you like that sort of thing
Every year I vow not to bother with the Apprentice and every year I get drawn back in after missing the first few eps. It's also our event telly for the week: Kids asleep, cup of tea, let's watch parts of it through our fingers with embarrassment and talk at the telly for the rest. Plus every week when Lordsuralun appears from behind the frosted glass door of the boardroom, I get to crack my "here he comes, out of the shower" gag. Always gets a laugh, people.
And I think we can all agree that the star of the show is Nick.
So you don't have any...
...strong feelings about the fellow, then, Vorgmeister?
One hears the phrase 'professional Geordie' or 'stage Irishman' used occasionally, but is Jim the first 'professional Ulsterman'? (Apart from that dreadful man, so it is, who was in Coronation Street - whose name, I dimly recall, was also Jim?)
You don't see Rory McIlroy or Graeme McDowell carrying on to interviewers like Jim, with all that blarney/charm cobblers, do you? Maybe there's a touch of it in Dennis Taylor, but he's got a sense of pastiche/irony about it...
dennis is ok
But Jim is like Frank Carson.
And I fucking hate Frank Carson.
We have a Jim at work.... A tool of the highest order.
But
I forgive him...
Crikey, you're right Vorgo...
...I'd (thankfully) forgotten about him. In fact, I 'cringed out loud' when I read the name just there! I understand Frank's one of those guys who just can't turn it off - he's like that ALL THE TIME. Hard to believe - and impossible to tolerate.
Karren Brady
Generally Karren Brady has slotted in well but I did find her down-her-nose disdain at some of the lads' mag photos in that publishing episode a bit rich coming from someone who was worked her entire life for David Soft Porn Sullivan.
With you there.....
......it was a tad two-faced.
And it would be interesting were she to show everyone her business model for West Ham over the last year.
Get a proven failure as manager, undermine him, annoy the fan-base by moving ground, get relegated etc. etc. etc.
This evening...
...I made the mistake of having the laptop out while the remote was in the possession of the FPO. I got about 20 minutes of the Apprentice.
Jesus.
Apparently, Christopher Columbus is a British icon.
When we all know
he's a shit film director.
You missed the best bit then Bob
A few episodes back the dopey halfwit Susan asked if the French loved their children.
Still compelling tv though.
That Susan
is bloody gorgeous.
No she isnt
Helen most definitely is - surprised Sir Alan missed the chance for some casting couch jiggery pokery there.
Surely Helen can not even
Surely Helen can not even bother with the business pitch and just point out that time her team sold £1.8 million pounds worth of non-existent biscuits.
Apparently
ASDA have been inundated with people wanting to buy 'Little Stars', despite looking like a cork drinks coaster with an Xmas Tree Chocolate glued on top.
If I was Sugar
I wouldn't need another smarmy salesman, albeit a probably very good one. I doubt he needs another PA either. A 21 year old girl however exceptional I just don't see him picking as a business partner. Which leaves us with the mad professor who maybe, just maybe has one of "those" ideas up his sleeve that will make a £250000 investment worthwhile. It's Tom for me, just my opinion for what it's worth.
top telly
I agree with Dave - Tom is the only one that might just come up with the bonkers idea that could end up making a fortune.
Helen would be an obvious winner in normal circumstances, but she would only be a good choice if you're looking for someone to fill a gap in an already-established corporate machine. The fact that she's pretty hot is a bonus.
I'm not convinced that Susan quite has the necessary skills to handle adversity and criticism. She's formidable enough, but she does seem to rub people up the wrong way. That's a big concern.
I'm going to stick up for Jim (although I don't think he will win it). He's a very skilful operator and he always works his arse off. He's provided great entertainment in this series (and yes, he might well turn out to be the 'crash and burn' interview candidate) and I'd back him to sell snow to Eskimos. That's not a talent to be sniffed at.
My preference would be for Lord Sugar to start a new company, based on Tom's ideas backed by Helen's organisational skills, with Jim leading the sales. That's a winning combination.
I have backed Susan to win
I have backed Susan to win since Episode 1 but Tom seems to be peaking just at the right time and think he may be someone that could work well with Lord Sugar.
I think Helenis a bit too much like Stella from last year so that could go against her.
Looking forward to the final tomorrow night though
So....
... many of us were right. Though it has to be said that his win had nothing to do with his business plan which has been instantly deleted and calls into question the rules of the show.
Helen made a fool of herself at the 11th hour - "OK, er erm, I'll set up some home-made bread shops instead" - and none of the business ideas would have got past the Dragons Den pre-TV preliminary rounds.
But good luck to Tom, and Susan who looks to be part of the Lord's plan, he seems a really nice chap.
Indeed KB...
...it's very heartening to see a basically nice bloke who doesn't talk corporate drivel and isn't full of arrogance winning. And also someone who *actually* makes things. I worry a lot that the economy seems to be based on offices full of people whose jobs are essentially passing bits of paper and emails around. How many employed people in the UK make or do anything any more? It can't last.
Don't get me started on that!
I completely agree - we produce nothing in this country. We rely on two things:
First, the (arrogant) belief that we have been a nation of leaders/inventors/innovators and we lead the way and that this will continue. No, it won't. China has many more people than us and they are perfectly capable of innovation and idea-generation as well as production. We were creators, and still can be, but it is not something that can be relied on now.
Second, our banking/finance sector upon which many companies and huge numbers of people (doing the stuff that you refer to above) depend. Without this prospering and remaining in this country, we will truly have beggar-all.
I am not a climate-change fanatic by any means but the real opportunity is to produce transport that doesn't rely on oil. Imagine us pioneering a cheap and efficient electric car that we could sell around the world - I'd like us to focus all our collective energies on something like that. To produce something again.
Hmmm
More than happy to agree on a "hell in a handcart" kinda way but we have the 6th largest economy in the world and 20% of it is manufacturing. Not great, sure, but not nothing either. We run ourselves down too much.
Agree with this.
The company that I work for is a distributor selling to manufacturing industry in this country. We have never been so busy - many of our customers are multi-nationals operating in the UK, but even so, to say no-one makes anything anymore is nonsense.
Oh, and well done Tom. Hope you have a good lawyer as all the work you did before the apprentice now looks like it'll benefit a certain Bearded Herbert as well as you.
Yes I am being too grumpy
I am pleased to hear things are good, let's hope it's not just the weak pound keeping UK manufacturing busy.
Spot on Twangothan
I work in imports and exports and by and large the stuff we export is high quality stuff whereas the products we import from the Far East more often than not are low end mass produced items.
Yes China has the ability to be the Worlds leading innovator but for now has to make do with being the Worlds best copier of other peoples ideas.
I take your points Twang and Jock...
...and I'm delighted to hear the country isn't yet sinking in a mire of paper-pushing mediocrity. Thing is, when you work in exactly that environment (and have done for 10 years), as I do, it can really get to you. It certainly affects one's perspective (obviously not accurately). For some reason I have a well-known song by The Animals running around in my head at the moment...
Claud was disappointingly mild
Only one sure fire crack, aimed at Tom, about his career going nowhere. Except alongside him in the boardroom,mayhap?
The other two didn't give much either
I think they knew that all four business plans were a pile of cack and thought 'what the f-ck is LS gonna do with this lot' and laid off them for fear of being seen to shoot fish in a barrel.
Funniest part
was when Margaret asked Jim to describe himself without using a cliche and he said something like 'I am what it says on the tin'. Classic.
Yes
That could not have been scripted better.
Ref your earlier post, Helen is a fox, though the Lord isn't generally distracted by that or political correctness for that matter.