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The Anachronistic Acting Role

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I caught a repeat of an episode of Yes Minister on one of those satellite channels that we collectively term in the Bisto household as The Effing Watersheds - i.e. the only channels that seem to have anything to watch at 9pm on those few occasions you sit down to watch something on the telly.

I was reminded as ever just how marvellous Nigel Hawthorne is as career civil servant Humphrey Appleby. I then caught something on another channel about Sandra Bullock's new film and I suddenly remembered she and Nigel Hawthorne appearing together in a ropey old Sly Stallone vehicle, Demolition Man, in which Stallone is cryogenically frozen in the present day and then unfrozen in the future to chase down Wesley Snipes' no-gooder, although throughout the film Sly's face seems to be permafrosted in one fixed expression. Boom tish.

So there is Sir Humphrey Appleby dressed in robes in the year 2032 stood next to Sandra Bullock chastising Sly Stallone in a place called San Angeles and it just feels odd, nay wrong. Although I can buy into the idea of the film that people can be suspended in animation my belief can't be suspended at the idea that Humphrey Appleby is on screen and not Nigel Hawthorne as Dr. Raymond Cocteau. I could accept Nigel Hawthorne as King George but not as Dr. Raymond Cocteau.

Another example is Ian McShane in Sexy Beast playing Teddy Bass. No it's not, it's Lovejoy playing Teddy Bass.

Who else suffers this fate when you catch them in 'another role'?

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Secret Diary Of A Call Girl

I saw one episode and turned it off traumatized by the thought that Rose had ended up on the game.

Any film at all featuring a cast member of Friends has this problem.

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ganglesprocket | 23 February 2010 - 2:43pm

Starbuck

has turned up as a CTU operative in the new season of 24. And one of the Cylons is an evil arms dealer. This is more than my brain can handle! (Am only onto season 2 of BSG... so no spoilers please!)

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Adman | 23 February 2010 - 2:59pm

King George

I read at the weekend that Nigel Hawthorne only acted in Demolition Man to raise his Hollywood profile so that they wouldn't object to him being in The Madness of King George.

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paulwright | 23 February 2010 - 3:48pm

It is a constant problem

Although not quite in the same vein as yours, which have a queasy feeling attached, these seriously interfere with my ability to "suspend disbelief".

Ian McShane, as well as Teddy Bass and Lovejoy, as the nasty brothel proprieter in Deadwood.
Joe Pantoliano morphing from Ralph Cifaretto in The Sopranos into a baddie in The Matrix.
Alex the FBI man in Prison Break turning up as the blonde skater's fur coat wearing evil millionaire father in Blades of Glory.
James Stewart, John Wayne, Frank Sinatra, etc. etc., playing basically the same character in every film is also there somewhere.

On the plus side, the nasty man who tried to kill Jack Bauer's daughter in 24 got his comeuppance when he was "offed" by Dexter

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Fazackerly | 23 February 2010 - 4:09pm

Joe Pantoliano

Perhaps it's just the way you phrased it, but surely you're not suggesting that Ralphie wasn't evil.

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Carl Parker | 23 February 2010 - 7:39pm

Certainly not

Ralphie was evil. Badly phrased!

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Fazackerly | 23 February 2010 - 11:11pm

Although Henry Fonda used that to good effect

by going against a lifetime's grain and turning up as a baddy in Once Upon A Time In The West.

(I now expect someone more knowledgeable than me to point out that I'm wrong!)

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Douglas | 23 February 2010 - 7:52pm

Charlie Wilson's War.

K&M made this point in their review..

Half way through and our heroes have set up a meeting with a shady arms-dealer. They turn up. It's not a shady arms-dealer. It's Ken Stott. They can't buy knock-off rocket-launchers from Rebus!

I can't get to grips with Ray Winstone in Big Films; he's a good actor but his American accent still has too much of a Plaistow twang and it doesn't work.

Joss Ackland in Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey. Not right.

Keanu Reeves in anything other than Bill and Ted. "Saft.. what lide fram yanner winner breaks, dude?"

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Lenny Law | 23 February 2010 - 4:38pm

"Isn't that the King of the Pixies?"

Watched Priscilla, Queen of the Desert just after seeing The Fellowship of The Ring. Sort of spoiled the gravitas for me. Agent Smith, fine - Mitzi, no.

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skirky | 23 February 2010 - 4:39pm

Tackarama

in Mordor.

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Ahh_Bisto | 23 February 2010 - 5:03pm

Oh and

by 'eck as like is it local villain Cliff Brumby who gets chucked off the Gateshead multi-storey by Jack Carter it's bloomin' Corrie grocer Alf Roberts!

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Ahh_Bisto | 23 February 2010 - 5:00pm

Don't know his name but...

...the guy from the Orange Mobile Phone adverts in the cinema (most recently seen pushing Danny Glover through a window) turned up in the George Clooney film "Michael Clayton" and it got an unintentional laugh.

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Simon Hoyle | 23 February 2010 - 5:02pm

I've a few of these

  • Alf Roberts being thrown off the multi-storey car park in Get Carter (bah, Ahh_Bisto beat me to it )
  • Sylvester Stallone in Cliffhanger, being terrorised by Dan from EastEnders
  • Oliver Reed in The Devils, being tortured by Brian 'George & Mildred' Murphy
  • Danny Baker mentions seeing a film featuring a love scene between Gabrielle Drake and Roy 'Mr Roy' North
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Brookster | 23 February 2010 - 5:07pm

Dan

from Eastenders is a good one. Did you not find that his London accent sounded false in that film even though he's probably from London?

Brian Murphy terrorising Oli Reed is a peach. I missed that one first time around. See also Yootha Joyce flirting with Warren Beatty in Kaleidoscope!

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Ahh_Bisto | 23 February 2010 - 5:23pm

2001 - Space Odyssey

After the majesty of first seeing the space station, all to the beautiful soundtrack - one of the first people we see on board is Rigsby/ Reggie Perrin (whichever your preference), dear old Leonard Rossiter himself. Always breaks the spell for me as most of the other actors are not known outside of this film.

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kjwilly | 23 February 2010 - 5:41pm

Stanley Kubrick's films must

suffer from this a lot, as he used talented British character actors, often better known for TV work in the UK. Barry Lyndon not only features Leonard Rossiter again, in 18th century Ireland, but also one of Basil Brush's other stooges, "Mr Billy" Boyle. And John Savident, the butcher from Coronation Street, is in A Clockwork Orange, as a smooth and posh psychiatrist.

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Melville | 23 February 2010 - 7:53pm

similarly

in amidst the austere cerebral sci fi of Ziggy Jr's "Moon", up pops Dixon Bainbridge/Douglas Reynholm

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simonperrins | 23 February 2010 - 9:13pm

John Savident

Also pops up as one of Sir Humphrey's Mandarin colleagues in "Yes, Minister"

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Richie B | 24 February 2010 - 5:14pm

I say...

John Savident also pops up as one of Sir Humphrey's Mandarin colleagues in "Yes, Minister"

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Black Type | 24 February 2010 - 10:51pm

Tom Baker

Showing his winkle in Pasolini's Canterbury Tales fillum. That got a guffaw from the Doctor Who fans in the cinema.

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Beany | 23 February 2010 - 6:59pm

Guy Pearce and Jim Dale

No matter how good they are in Memento, LA Confidential, Ugly Betty etc there's a little bit of me singing 'Nee-igh- bours..'

This is really a curse afflicting all soap stars, but Guy and Jim have made a better fist of a Hollywood career than, well Madge or Harold.

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Moseleymoles | 23 February 2010 - 8:11pm

I'm guessing

you mean Alan Dale who played Jim Robinson, not Jim Dale the erstwhile Carry-Onner :-)

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Black Type | 23 February 2010 - 9:43pm

An error

That confirms the point - he'll always be Jim!

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Moseleymoles | 24 February 2010 - 4:46pm

Slightly different problem

Having never watched Neighbours, I had only become aware of Guy Pearce in "Pricilla, Queen of the Desert", so things like LA Confidential and Time Machine always suffer from the image of him as a drag queen in my mind.

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Harold Holt | 24 February 2010 - 11:07pm

Jim Norton

is a fine, highly respected Irish actor, with over forty years of stage, television and film work under his belt, but... whenever he pops up in anything, I just can't help but think "It's Bishop Brennan!" (from Father Ted).

Likewise, Mrs. Doyle recently turned up in Shameless, shagging Frank Gallagher. SO wrong. Although the temptation for the director to ask her to shout "GO ON! GO ON!" must have been immense.

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Cadabra | 23 February 2010 - 9:06pm

of course, in my day it was Old Spice...

After a good six months of me banging on about how brilliant John Boorman's "Excalibur" is, a friend of mine caved in and watched it - I promptly got a text saying "It's got the bloke from Keeping Up Appearances, and he's riding around to the theme from The X Factor!!"

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simonperrins | 23 February 2010 - 9:15pm

Ooh, just remembered

I caught Basic Instinct the other week, for the first time in donkeys' years. We get to the famous leg-crossing scene in front of the detectives at the police station. And who's at the head of the table, mouth agape?

Heeello New-man

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Brookster | 23 February 2010 - 10:51pm

First thing I think of when I see that fella

is Third Rock From The Sun. Which reminds me how odd it is to see John Lithgow in one of his many straight roles, when I know him first and foremost as Dick Solomon.

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Cadabra | 23 February 2010 - 11:04pm

You probably don't want to see

Series 4 of Dexter, then...

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nicktf | 23 February 2010 - 11:39pm

And on the subject of Yes Minister

Is it disconcerting to see Mr Derek as Bernard Wooley or Bernard Woolley as Mr Derek?

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Brookster | 24 February 2010 - 10:00am

He was married to Lesley Judd

I love such trivia.

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Auntie Beryl | 25 February 2010 - 7:38pm

I'm now imagining

Basil walking Ms. Judd up the aisle; he in top hat and tails, she in tank top and Blue Peter badge.

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Adman | 25 February 2010 - 10:19pm

Travis Bickle and Tom Good

(Robert De Niro and Richard Briers) sharing a two-hander in Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. That can't be right, can it?

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Darcy | 23 February 2010 - 10:53pm

Star Wars

I don't know if anyone remembers the awful 80s kids' TV show Jonny Briggs ("Ooh, owwer Jonny!"), but the fella who played his dad appears, briefly, in the first Star Wars film. Every time I saw it, I had an image of one of Darth Vader's henchman popping off to put the kettle on and do the crossword.

In a similar fashion, Mr Bronson from Grange Hill is Hitler in one of the Indiana Jones films. Except he isn't. He's Mr Bronson.

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peterthecook | 24 February 2010 - 6:09pm

Mr Bronson

...is also in the Empire Strikes Back. Darth Vader does him over for losing the Millenium Falcon.

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Richie B | 24 February 2010 - 6:16pm

Bronson also turns up in

First series of Auf Wiedersehen Pet as German Building Site Manager Heer Grunwald. Gets headbutted/thumped by Michael Elphick.

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Rigid Digit | 27 February 2010 - 11:13pm

Gets headbutted/thumped by Michael Elphick.

You mean 'Boon'?

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skirky | 27 February 2010 - 11:42pm

Cliff Claven

driving a tank (or summat like that) in A Bridge Too Far. Well dodgy postal round that one!

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geacher53 | 24 February 2010 - 8:11pm

And he's on all the Pixar movies, from Toy Story onwards

That is odd. Including the little clip they have on the end of Cars making fun of it. Having said that, not sure if he's in "Up".

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Harold Holt | 24 February 2010 - 11:10pm

The Fantastic Four sequel

Well, good evening Detective Pembleton! Sure you don't want a cigarette and to deflect a verbal barb from Munch? Oh well, please yourself.

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skirky | 27 February 2010 - 11:42pm
Olthwaite | 27 February 2010 - 11:01pm
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