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That's so uncool
In another world I might be a charitable person who didn't judge other's tastes or seek to get kudos from my own. But as we're stuck with this one (I have always hated parallel universes..but that's another post) my snobbery is an established fact.
I just can't deny that there are certain things that because others use them, listen to them, visit them - particularly certain people eg my older brother - they are just 'uncool' and I can't be associated.
The iPhone - love it, have had all of them from 1 to 4. Have queued up to get it on the first day! Cool! But now afore-mentioned sibling (hint- he plays the trombone), says he's getting one and will be brandishing it in his 'Sister Wendy experiences modern culture' way. Mine has to go.
The phone works no worse, its just I don't want to be a member of that gang...its been coming for a while and this has tipped me over. There is no rational support for it but its a trait that I've applied to my music for over 30 years and it isn't going to go away. At school, whatever the case made for them by the music press, it was basically non-music loving louts who liked The Jam - which started a life-long hatred. Its not just based on the music but on my biased perception of the people who like it.
What are other's 'uncool things' - particularly those where the lack of coolness is down to bias, snobbery, or any other petty irrational emotion that we should all be bigger than.
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It's always seemed to me that the whole concept of 'cool'
is exclusive, elitist and predicated on the idea that a small sub-group of society have some self-appointed right to decide who's in their gang.
If something is classed as 'cool', 'fashionable', or 'on trend', it's a pretty fair bet that I won't want anything to do with it.
Concepts like 'well-designed', 'functional', and 'well-engineered' have always held more appeal to me.
Membership of para 1 above
..where do I sign
"May I suggest Sir considers the Wasp T12 'Speechtool'?"
"It may fulfill Sir's requirements"
"I believe it's available with a hands-free kit for mounting on Sir's microscooter"
*searches brain*
Nathan Barley, yes?
Tick VG.
er...
its like totally mexico!
And
It's well Jackson!
Trombone playing
Mysteriously, this actually is cool in reggae bands. Otherwise, it looks as if your parents wanted you to play an instrument, and you got stuck with the last thing left in the school music cupboard.
Except...
...when Wendell Pierce plays it (or hauls it around in a taxi) in Treme. Then it's the coolest instrument you ever saw.
He's not Wendell Pierce
He plays 'swing' or 'standards' in a red satin shirt.
Useless factoid #72
The French word for trombone is trombone.
The French word for paper clip is also trombone.
I like the trombone...so there!
Nothing Wrong
with Swing or Standards, if played well. Especially on a trombone.
I like trombones.
I particularly like Gary Valente, the trombonist who plays on a lot of Carla Bley's recordings. Lovely dirty, raspy sound!
key words
...if played well....
I suspect
I am your elder brother.
I only buy things because I get immense satisfaction at the thought that your preposterous notions of cool will force you into giving up things you love.
You clever beast
...never thought of that
To be honest...
...I imagine that the mere fact that I own something is enough to make other people give it up.
I'm the opposite nowadays
I breathe a sigh of relief when things I own go mainstream, because it means I won't get any more "Ooh, look at mister lah-di-dah showing off with his fancy gadget." I no longer get it with the iPhone or hi-def TV and I'm confident I'll be able to relax about the Kindle by the end of the summer.
I'm not nice
What I particularly don't want to have is the enthused opinions of that 'uncool' person talking about their iThingy, how cutting edge it is and how fascinating their experience with it must be. Forget it mate - been there and no longer want to be because you are.
Doesn't it bother you
that some of the even earlier adopters than you almost certainly talked about you in similar terms? Me, I'd be mortified. I prefer to mock as I would be mocked by.
If you stick around long enough...
...you can kind of come out the other side (albeit into some strange and barren land beyond even 'uncool')
As an example, I used to love both Coldplay and Snow Patrol when they were little known indie fellas playing support slots to the likes of Muse. When they became popular I was both pleased for them (and felt vaguely cool for being in at the start) and then - as their popularity became immense - faintly annoyed that they were no longer 'my thing'. Now they are generally used as shorthand for tastelessness and have become dreadfully uncool - indeed, I've seen them both referred to on these pages as 'music for people who don't like music'. I can't work out if my continued enjoyment of these bands puts me in some hospice for the terminally uncool or whether I might eventually become 'cool' through sheer bloody-mindedness. In the case of Snow Patrol, the point could be moot: their last album was pretty poor.
I'm not convinced I was ever actually cool for liking them, mind, but there was definitely a time when they seemed new, interesting and credible.
Agreed
There are no rigid rules - apart from the one that my opinion is right.
I am actually a johnny-come lately to U2 and Coldplay - but there they are so uncool that its cool to like them (its far more edgy than not liking them). Plus, in a rare open moment of honesty, I like their tunes.
Cool and uncool
Tom Sutcliffe commented on this sort of attitude problem in the Independent recently -
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/thomas-sutcliffe/tom-sut...
From that article, re: Mumford 'n' Sons.
"Good for them, they are becoming ever more popular but the wrong sort of people are going to begin to like this rare music."
Please tell me people don't REALLY say things like that* :-(
(*It was a rhetorical question, I know the answer.)
Embarrassingly uncool
Going up to London for a day trip (I live near Winchester and whilst I commute daily most down there don't) and going on The London Eye and then going to see an Imax 'movie'...shudder.
Why do you care?
Someone here is uncool, and it's not the people going to London for a day trip.
I have to ask, is this a thread a Poe?
Hangs head in shame..
But do I have to be tolerant?
Whilst I probably could utilise a quarter of a ';)', to indicate at least some awareness of the 'extremism' as discussed by Poe, at the end of the day I was aiming to voice an honest, if not particularly nice and fluffy,reaction and to see if anyone else shared this mindset and then, with what examples.
Why is it uncool...
...to go to London for a day trip? Why do you care? I'd suggest it's far more "cool" to simply do something fun and not worry about whether it meets with anyone else's approval.
Its not and you are right
Sorry Bob, I was just venting a bit of socially unacceptable snobbery about those thinking that visiting the London Eye was the epitome of cool - oh and going to see 'Wicked'
Nothing to do with a day trip being uncool
The London Eye
IS pretty cool, especially at sunset. I went up and necked a bottle of champagne with the missus then went on a river cruise. Had a great time.
Mind you, I like Jurassic Park and Oasis.
I'd love the Eye...
...were I not shit scared of heights. And, frankly, I still occasionally get a bit of a kick out of the thought that I *live* here now. I always thought London was incredible as a kid, whenever we came for day trips, and now I live here. Sometimes the excitement still bubbles up in me, even after 11 years, and ready as I am to live somewhere else.
But then, I've never been remotely cool. I've tried, I suppose, but always failed. I'm a big excitable nerd who talks too much: not a recipe for anyone *ever* thinking I'm cool.
Ha ha ha
Me too.
I've moved away now but for the ten years I was there, I still got really excited about all the landmarks. The Tower of London is still my favourite place in London and the day I got to walk out through the front gates of Buckingham Palace on my own was probably my coolest moment.
Previous to coming top London I thought the tallest building in the world was Debenhams in Exeter
I get it.
What you are saying is;
"I like cool stuff, when that stuff becomes inherently uncool, I can't like it any more and have to move on. Does anyone else do this?"
I think I may be the opposite. I have a sheer bloody mindedness about me that makes me want to do the opposite of what I am told. (Yes I know how immature for a 40+ year old). So if you tell me something is uncool, I will find myself trying to find a reason to like it.
Hehe, that's an exaggeration but the reality is, I tend to like what I like without listening to other opinions but I do get very defensive when someone tells me I shouldn't like something.
okat
London Eye
Well at least I can live safe in the knowledge that 'I am unlikely to ever be stuck in one of the gondola thingies on the Eye (as the locals probably call it) with tim tunes. Phew!
Its an amnesty!
All those with snobbish and judgemental tendencies c'mon in! Pull up a chair and vent..........
I can heat up cool things
pretty rapidly.
I tend not to think of things as cool or not - I'm more likely to think of things that interest me or are likely to bore me. Video games (PS3's, Xbox 360's etc.) are an example. I can understand that they do some very cool things with network play and the games are absorbing but I get bored after 10 minutes so I don't play with them.
I have no idea what cool clothes are any more. I imagine SuperDry aren't cool any more because I know about them. I like t shirts with an intelligent, humorous remark on them. That's definitely not cool.
I foam at the mouth in excitement when I try to explain Sigur Ros to people that haven't heard of them and I know that's not cool.
I'm 6 foot 4 inches tall and wear glasses. That makes me stick out like a gangly sore thumb at any social event. And I bang my head at least once a week. Uncool.
The list is endless.
But I don't give a shit - I am, as they say, cool with that.
Ha ha. Brilliant You sound
Ha ha. Brilliant
You sound like my twin brother. The exception being you obviously inherited the poor eyesight!!
Really can't understand the obsession with being cool. Surely it is about liking what you like and the chances are that you like it because you think it is cool, doesn't matter whether the masses think it'c cool.
Think I spent about two weeks at the age of 21 trying to be cool, realised how inept at it I was and gave up!
Uncool is the new cool. Think I might get that printed on a t-shirt!
The NME Cool List
Not cool.
Is this cool?
cool is in the eye of beholder
ferinstance, my 12 yo thinks any music i like is uncool. She likes tinie tempah....
Gone are the days when i worry whether the vanguards of "taste" sanction my cooldom. That way lies Nathen Barley.
I dislike
having to share my CD storage with my GLW's John Barrowman, Katie Melua and Michael Buble CDs.
And I recently outed my Coldplay CDs because they haven't been 'cool' for ages. Let's face it, with a lead singer that admits to being a knobhead they can't ever be cool again. And his association with Bono hasn't done him any favours either.
But I've never seen Apple products as being cool. Let's face it, you can't buy cool, you learn it. Herd mentality isn't cool, having a mind of your own that isn't swayed by someone else's opinion is.
From Wikipedia;
"The act of discovering what's cool is what causes cool to move on"
"Cool cannot be manufactured, only observed"
"[Cool] can only be observed by those who are themselves cool".
Acksherloi....
.....the iPhone is only considered cool amongst the middle-aged. Your youngsters phone of choice is the Blackberry.
Ooh! That means I'm cool
That'll be a first!
Or
a really big kid.
Alas
neither
You sayin' I'm middle-aged?
I'm only 30, daddio.
How does know when a particular doohickey is cool?
When you show the said thingy to a bunch of sullen teenagers and they get all animated and say "Cool!" a lot.
This doesn't happen very often. The last thing I got which was deemed cool in such a manner was my utterly, utterly pointless but supremely gadgety and geeky GPS goggles with a head-up display.
But they're cool. So that's OK.
Cool is...
Let's face facts...
..none of you even know the meaning of cool. This is cool:
Forgive me, but ...
a working age man hanging out with school kids has never been cool.
Being cool
has always seemed too much like hard work to me.
Cool
I think it is excellent for teenagers to think things are cool or uncool. I even accept it for those in their early 20's.
But for anyone over 30 to worry about cool is simply tragic. And uncool.
Uncool
When the 'cool' like something 'uncool' it suddenly becomes 'post-modern irony'.
Clarification
The original post wasn't about saying x or y was 'cool' but to confess that the actions/tastes of certain people could make something 'uncool'.
So yes based in petty prejudice, of which I am rightly embarrassed, but not based on declaring a personal pursuit to be 'cool'.
Reading the above posts, and getting the overwhelming sense of everyone's enthusiastic espousing of the non-judgemental, one is struck by either
a) What a lovely, accepting bunch everyone is - 'come on in, we love everything and everyone!' or
b) Some people are telling porkies - is it really the case that folk do not have opinions about 'stuff' that are influenced by who else likes it??
I can absolutely, unequivocally say that I don't give a toss
for what some self-appointed tastemakers or 'arbiters of cool' tell me I should like.
In fact, if the Nathan Barleys tell me something is 'cool' or 'well Mexico' or whatever the latest term of approbation is then I'm more likely to feel "That's not for me then".
Why am I happy to say this? Because I don't give a toss about what those self-same 'cool hunters' think of me and my opinions, that's why.
To be absolutely honest, I'd be wary of any grown adult who is so insecure as to need someone else to confirm he is listening to the 'right' music, wearing the 'right' shoes or having his hair cut in the 'right' way. Isn't that the sort of thing people grow out of by the time they leave school?
Absolutely stimpy!
It's all about being happy in your own skin.
I think we'll agree that you have to be a certain age to get to this place.
Just the other week I listened to a Radio Scotland show called "My Life In Five Songs". It's a cheapo version of Desert Island Discs and the guest was a Dundee based singer/songwriter called Michael Marra.
He certainly wouldn't be classed even as slightly under mainstream but he has some followers here.
Two of his choices were Cilla Black and Danny Kaye.
How secure of yourself would you need to be to *broadcast* these choices?
I hate these particular choices but think he's the epitome of *cool* for doing so.
Happy
I'm quite happy in my skin too (although I'd be even happier if there was less of it)
I guess I am the only person here who ever thinks anything that isn't based on 100% tolerance of another's opinions/actions - irrespective of any other factors - eg having to suffer 40 years of trombone concerts.
I'm off to re-read The Corrections
Cool vs Taste
I don't think people are saying that they are tolerant of all tastes, tim, at least I'm not, but more questioning than concept of being cool or uncool and making decisions based on some arbitary scale.
Frankly, I cannot bear Michael Buble and listening to my mother and sister rave about him caused many raised eyebrows between myself, my Dad and my brother-in-law around the Christmas table. I'm fairly sure that was not based on a concept of cool on our part, just that we think it is shite.
Well put JoLean
But my scale isn't arbitrary - its driven by that small dark corner where the actions/behaviour of certain others are not ones that I would choose to be associated with....I need therapy, Help me Michael
No, this is uncool
I'm not so sure about what's uncool
... but I'm pretty sure this guy is cool:
He was there at the
Birth Of The Cool
And he still is. As is Thelonious Monk.
Samuel L Jackson
Never far away from the word 'cool' whenever talked about.
Except he's not, is he? I don't know what all the fuss is about. Just because he was in a Quentin Tarantino film.
Oh he is........
Also in Animal House, plays golf, snappy dresser, been around the block etc etc
It's all subjective really - Dean Martin = cool. Frank Sinatra = not cool. Early Rod Stewart = cool. Late Rod Stewart = uncool.
Marge and Homer did a great skit on "coolness" talking to the kids in the back of the car. Be darned if I can find it on Youtube though.
Anyway the important one...
Is Fonzie cool?
I was in the no camp. Clearly tried too hard and was just on the wrong side age wise to be hanging around high school kids. Ralph Malph however, coolness personified.
Cool
It's actually easy:
Apparently Cool = my peers at sixth form
Definitely Uncool = Me at sixth form
Desperate to be Cool = Me at sixth form
Lacking the energy to give a shite anymore = Me, now
Thank God for that. *relaxes. Listens to Middle of the Road*
No matter how cool you are...
With reference to the OP
I once bought what I thought was a trendy sweatshirt only to find DLT wearing on TOTP the next day.
Needless to say I never wore it again.
That's different, though.
That's a bit like how bodywarmers, beards and plaid shirts went out of fashion after Harold Shipman. Perfectly sensible.
Did you hear
that Robert de Niro's making a film about Harold Shipman?
It's going to be called "The Old Dear Hunter".
*apologies for tasteless joke while grabbing coat*
De Niro
That film would still be probably be funnier that De Niro's 'comedy' film output of the last 15 years.
Viz...
...used to have a comic strip called "Harold & Fred: They Make Ladies Dead".
It might have been a *tiny* bit near the knuckle.
That was a one-off, wasn't it?
Ended with them not realising their neighbour was Ed Gein in a skin mask.
Not at all off-colour, as I recall..
Cool is a word I don't use
I loathe it because it's a homonym of my real-life surname, and I've had to endure years of jokes about it (the last new one was over 30 years ago).
However, it is the only word which adequately describes the blue LEDs in my new kettle.