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That's quite enough, thank you. Some people make too many albums

mojoworking's picture

I picked up a clutch of recent Dr. John CDs last week, all of which I'd never heard before. Halfway through N'Awlinz Dis Dat Or D'Udda, the realisation dawned that, agreeable enough though it was (and big name guest stars notwithstanding), this CD sounded exactly the same as all the other countless Dr. John records I've ever heard. That got me thinking: does the world really need any more Dr. John albums?

And it's not just him. Every time you open a copy of Mojo/Word/Uncut it seems that Neil Young, Van Morrison, Richard Thompson and any one of a number of other old stagers have put out yet another album. But when was the last time any of them made a truly essential five star record?

They've almost certainly made all the great albums they're ever going to make and are now treading water because, well, making records is what they do and they don't know how to stop.

And we don't know how to stop buying them either, it seems.

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I have no problem in not buying them...

Neil Young's ever-expanding oeuvre has passed me by since Sleeps with Angels, I've said "Thanks, but no thanks" to the last couple of Richard Thompson albums and wouldn't purchase a new Grumps Morrison record for love nor money.

I basically agree with your point, but if they want to keep releasing stuff then that's their prerogative. Just as it is mine to spend my money on double espressos instead.

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Patrick Crowther | 10 January 2011 - 8:33am

Prairie Wind

is worthy of a listen Patrick.

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Six Dog | 10 January 2011 - 11:31am

They're not all the same

Particularly since record companies stopped giving them big advances. Van Morrison hasn't made a record for three years and Richard Thompson's last was his first one in three years. My problem with Doctor John is people always seem to want him to make "Gris Gris" or "Right Place" again and there's really no need.

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David Hepworth | 10 January 2011 - 8:46am

When I say...

...we don't know how to stop. I mean there are certain artists, whether through loyalty or force of habit, we will always buy, regardless.

One of those artists for me is Richard Thompson. Even though I know there will be maybe just one or two killer songs (not a bad ratio these days, actually) surrounded by a lot of filler, I will always pick up his latest offering.

Ry Cooder is another, although it's probably true to say he's unique in never having let me down in almost 40 years of buying his albums.

Then there's Dylan. I didn't include him in the original post because, despite some iffy moments over the years, there's always the chance he will surprise you with a truly great record.

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mojoworking | 10 January 2011 - 9:16am

Rod Stewart

He made some great early albums, and his work with The Faces was superb, but bloody hell!! Someone needs to have a word with him about the Great American Karaoke-book that he shamelesly keeps wheeling out.

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mark0510 | 10 January 2011 - 9:19am

Agreed

Rod could do no wrong for almost a decade.

Blondes Have More Fun in 1978 was the tipping point, starting a slow decline culminating in the execrable and granny-pleasing Great American Songbook series.

Ironically these proved to be his biggest selling albums in years (if not of his entire career). Go figure.

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mojoworking | 10 January 2011 - 9:32am

My mum

bought the first Great American songbook CD for herself, which is something she rarely did. She was 75 when the first one came out. Rod stumbled on a quite a market.

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drneil | 10 January 2011 - 9:50pm

Roderick's reputation for being somewhat parsimonious...

may help to explain why he keeps releasing albums. He probably has dreams of losing his football pitch if he doesn't continue working. Plus the fact that his Songbook series has been immensely popular (all No.1 in the US, I think I'm right in saying) gives him every reason to carry on.

I had a listen to the latest one the other day and felt a bit sad... his voice really isn't what it once was.

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Patrick Crowther | 10 January 2011 - 11:27am

It wouldn't be so bad if

he was just a "decent" singer, but he was truly phenominal in his time. Sing It Again Rod was the first record I owned, and even now it can hold it's own. Of all the names mentioned in this post I think that the quality of Rod's then and now output is the most extreme. My kids only know of Rod Stewart as an bloke who sings songs from musicals. That is a crying shame!

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mark0510 | 10 January 2011 - 1:46pm

Of all the great British vocalists...

Rod is my favourite I think. He had such heart, warmth and - yes - vulnerability in his voice when he was at his peak. And he wrote some truly superb lyrics which isn't mentioned enough.

Still, however poor some of his recent efforts have been, they cannot dilute the majesty of the records he made between 1968-1975.

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Patrick Crowther | 10 January 2011 - 3:47pm

Ditto to both of these...

Every Picture Tells A Story is one of the best albums ever made...FACT.
But his reputation for young, and perhaps not so young, people of today is of some louche cabaret singer who is more famous for his succession of comely blondes than his musical ability. I agree with Patrick.. his body of work (not the blondes!)in these years (68-72) is as good as anyones.
My son (31) for the last six years or so has been on a retro kick, listening to almost anything that I pass his way, but he refuses to give Sir Rodney any listening time at all. Same with Free for some odd reason.
Also EVERY year, Rods birthday is always the day before mine.

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geacher53 | 10 January 2011 - 8:49pm

Sir Roderick!

(not Sir Rodney)

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duco01 | 11 January 2011 - 8:24am

An old chestnut

Not to devalue your valid point, but music messageboards the world over are always having feverish debates, trying to pin down the exact moment when Rod Stewart lost it.

It's a bit like the people who pore through the Book of Revelation, trying to calculate when the world will end.

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Brookster | 10 January 2011 - 12:14pm

Ryan Adams

Personally, I've been unmoved by everything he's done since 2003. I kind of admire his relentless output - or, at least, the idea of it - even though I find virtually every recording he's made with The Cardinals to be incredibly dull. But part of me likes the fact that he feels that he's creative enough to have spun out over an album a year for a decade. Thank God, Spotify means that I can hear them legally, judge them and then not buy them.

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Lucas Hare | 10 January 2011 - 10:17am

With you entirely...

... although I stuck by him a little longer. Loved the guy for his first couple of albums, paid good money to see him do a patchy solo set at the Festival Hall in late 2002, persevered until '29' in 2005 and lost interest after that.

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oxfordpaul | 10 January 2011 - 6:03pm

Agreed!

Someone should tell that Blue Nile and that Scott Walker to slow down a bit.

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Steerpike | 10 January 2011 - 12:10pm

Kate Bush

has the right idea, release a record every decade or so, that way each new release feels like a bit of an event. The problem I guess is not every artist can adhere to this working model, either because of money issues or because they just get bored knocking around their houses / mansions.

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sirbriancannonhunter | 10 January 2011 - 12:36pm

You've struck upon something I've often thought about...

How does Kate Bush afford to do nothing for years at a time? She never exactly sold humungous numbers of albums (apart perhaps from Hounds of Love) and doesn't tour, so she can't earn money that way. Maybe she's just been very sensible with regards the management of her funds and doesn't have marble staircases in her gaff.

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Patrick Crowther | 10 January 2011 - 3:52pm

Radio royalties?

Wuthering Heights, TMWTCIHE, Running Up That Hill, and the Hounds Of Love surely get played enough to earn a sizeable crust. If Gerry Rafferty was getting £80,000 a year for Baker Street (also released in 1978) no reason Kate won't be getting a lot more than the minimum wage for her stuff. Face it, anyone who's written 15 top twenty hits and sold millions of records is unlikely to be skint unless they made terrible deals in the first place, and with the esteemed Mr Gilmour helping her out in the early days that's unlikely.

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Mr Fade | 10 January 2011 - 5:34pm

I dimly remember something in Q

at least a decade ago talking about musicans and their pension arrangements. Kate Bush's name croppe dup in there somewhere and it appeared that she had invested her hard earned quite wisely.

Plus, she is still married, isn't she?

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illuminatus | 10 January 2011 - 5:39pm

She was reckoned

by the Guardian to be worth £25m just before Aerial was released and went platinum in the UK so I don't think she has too many money worries.

Plus all of her back catalogue with the notable exception of the Hounds Of Love (which only appears to be available on vinyl - surely a missed opportunity?) seems to be available for purchase so there are still sales to be made there.

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bassclef (not verified) | 11 January 2011 - 7:46pm

Jane Austen

No, not her latest LP (although not doubt I would buy it if it existed).

Whenever I hear conversations like this, I'm always reminded of Mr Bennet's wise words to his middle daughter after insisting on playing worthy music at a ball.

"Thank you Mary, you have delighted us long enough."

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JoLean | 10 January 2011 - 2:00pm

Do we need more than one?

It's odd that I was recently thing the reverse of that theory for new bands.
For example, I bought the first Vampire Weekend album and played it a lot. When the new one came out a year ago I bought that and have played it a lot but I haven't played the first one since (no room on the pod for both of them). Jim Jones Revue falls into the same category. Do I need more than one album by these new bands that I will probably never really identify with but just like their music for a change?

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JohnW | 10 January 2011 - 2:23pm

I think what you need

Is a bigger iPod if you're at the "one in, one out" stage. Whether you should put any Vampire Weekend a;bums on it is another question though.

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Thomas the Rhymer | 10 January 2011 - 10:44pm

Not too bad

I'm not really at the one in one out stage but it's close. I tend to have a clear out every now and then to allow a chunk of space so that I don't have to meke the decision when I put new stuff on. I don't want a physically bigger ipod so I'm a bit stuffed. I've promised myself that as soon as Apple do an ipod that I can put everything on, I'll buy it but that clearly isn't about to happen as there haven't been any capacity increases for some time now.
If I put 7 or 8 new albums on a month then there has to be a rotation system. Having had a 4G nano for a few years and found that just not big enough, I've now had a 16G one for over 2 years and that seems about right, there's enough space to leave on albums that I haven't quite given enough chance to yet and when I get rid of stuff from it, it doesn't seem like a big deal, I do realise that some of it may never get listened to again.... although I now have a Sonos box in 3 rooms in the house so the library is now more accessible than ever so there's a lot more chance!

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JohnW | 11 January 2011 - 8:43am

Some artists keep making

records that aren't masterpieces, and they have a loyal fan base.

And your problem is...

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Pax Romana | 10 January 2011 - 3:51pm

In the case of Van Morrison

when he is asked he doesn't describe himself as an artist or a songwriter; his term is "working musician". So his ethic, in his own mind at least, is to keep playing and bashing out stuff. If no-one was buying his records he would go and play sax for someone else. Only if he couldn't get a job would he stop.
Whether or not this is actually true, it's certainly a different way of thinking to, say, Kate Bush.

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STD | 10 January 2011 - 5:11pm

Three words

The. Rolling. Stones.

That is all.

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illuminatus | 10 January 2011 - 5:26pm

Who needs two....

Sade albums?

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Richard Eyre | 10 January 2011 - 5:54pm

Who needs one?

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Molesworth | 12 January 2011 - 6:40pm

If you read interviews with Neil Young

you will realise that he HAS to make these records. Obviously by now it's neither here nor there to him if anyone actually buys it.
It's what keeps him going every day and this stuff is just busting out of him all the time. It is lovely to read when he talks about it in these terms and makes me respect the fine musician that he is tenfold more.

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jimmyshoes01 | 10 January 2011 - 6:03pm

I'd be very grateful if...

Landing on Water could bust back into him.

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Patrick Crowther | 10 January 2011 - 6:36pm

We were discussing this...

...the other night at the pub, in relation to R.E.M.

I mentioned that I'd heard a pre-released track from the forthcoming album - Collapse Into Now. I’d also seen a preview of the sleeve art that resembled the cover of an unloved contract-filling live album, and I’d scanned through a list of song titles and guest collaborators, all of which painted a grim picture of a record that would (based on this evidence and also on recent form) be at best mediocre.

None the less I would buy the album when it came out, probably first thing on the morning of its release. This Asperger-like narrowing of focus, when there is limited time and an awful lot of incredibly good and vibrant music to be heard and enjoyed, makes me not much better than the zombies in Dawn of the Dead who, in a state of undeath, return to the shopping mall to act out their mindless consumerism.

Michael Stipe and his fans seem to be locked into a classic cycle of enabling behaviour. I will continue to purchase albums of self-indulgently-titled songs like Alligator Aviator Autopilot Antimatter and Me, Marlon Brando, Marlon Brando and I. The band will continue to record these and release them to diminishing returns.

One or both of us needs an intervention.

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backwards7 | 10 January 2011 - 6:49pm

Everything Must Stop

The Manics really should have stopped after The Holy Bible. I'd forego Everything Must Go just to draw a neat line under it.

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fedoraboy | 10 January 2011 - 7:39pm

AC/DC should never have started

aaaarrrggghhhh turn it off

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Johnny Topaz | 10 January 2011 - 8:57pm

Incorrect.

That is all. :-)

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Bob | 10 January 2011 - 9:54pm

No artist

sits down and makes a conscious decision to give the world what it needs. More importantly, most 5-star reviewed albums are usually not made by people who are driven by a conscious decision to do so. When musicians do think like that, we're ususally left with portentous, charlie-fueled piffle like "Be Here Now".

They do it because at best it brings in enough to pay the kid's school fees, because it's all they can do, and occasionally they even do it because they feel that they HAVE to.

If you feel that there is too much Jonathan Richman or John Otway in your life, then I would suggest that you turn away until they're gone. They're not actually doing anyone harm by merely plying their trade long after the music rags have lost interest.

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Pax Romana | 10 January 2011 - 10:42pm

I'm not interested in buying the latest

Richard Thompson album, but I'll always go and see him on tour, and he's not disappointed yet.

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nicktf | 11 January 2011 - 8:17am

Quite.

I'm seeing him in Oxford at the end of the month but I haven't bought his latest record.

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Patrick Crowther | 11 January 2011 - 9:35am

Bob Dylan's "Together Through Life"

I really enjoyed. I was not expecting that.

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badger_king | 11 January 2011 - 6:23pm

Me too.

One of my favourite albums of that year. Quite delicious.

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Mr Fade | 12 January 2011 - 6:46pm

Elvis Costello

Not so much new records, I just wish he's stop reissuing all the old ones again, and again and again. I've losttrack of all the reissues, extra tracks, interviews, bonus demos etc etc that get tacked on to yet another reissue of Get Happy, Imperial Bedroom and the rest. Blood & Chocolate might just be my favourite record ever but do we need a 15th fucking release of it?

That's all.

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Molesworth | 12 January 2011 - 6:43pm
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