Tell us one good thing about being famous

At the Hay Literary Festival Mark Knopfler said something interesting: "If anyone can tell me one good thing about fame, I'd be very interested to hear it."

If you put this question to the famous they will always quote the same small benefit. What is it? And what do you imagine the other ones might be? Of course, if you happen to be famous, feel free to share your experiences.

hmm

tables in restaurants?

badartdog | 7 October 2008 - 10:18am

Just what

I was going to say.

Gatz | 7 October 2008 - 10:23am

Correct.

Now what are the other ones?

David Hepworth | 7 October 2008 - 10:25am

"Tables in Restaurants"

They always say that but they are talking about restaurants that only wealthy people can afford, or quite well-off people can afford maybe once or twice a year. So what they are really talking about is money not fame.

If Mark Knopfler was famous but not rich - the 80s cover star DH talked about below - he wouldn't even consider going to the restaurants that he is referring to. So "Tables in Restaurants" is just a meaningless turn of phrase of the blase rock star.

kb | 7 October 2008 - 1:45pm

Have just (say it quietly...) started Curb Your Enthusiam

Watched the first episode last night. Larry David couldnt get a table in a restaurant.

dolly | 7 October 2008 - 4:00pm

i envy you dolly...watching curb for the first time...

i think i speak for a lot of us when i guarantee you that the words 'favourite' and 'aunt' will make you laugh an awful lot in the weeks to come.

enjoy...

ivan | 7 October 2008 - 4:12pm

It's not about having the

It's not about having the money to afford the bill at a restaurant, but being able to get a table at short or no notice at a decent time (i.e. 8.00pm not 6.30pm or 10.00pm)in a restaurant that mere mortals would have to book weeks in advance to eat. And when you get there, getting the corner table rather than the one by the toilets, kithen door or waiter's station.

Andy Lynes | 7 October 2008 - 11:34pm

Automatic guest lists and VIP sections?

Surely not groupies?

Archie Valparaiso | 7 October 2008 - 10:32am

Never happened to me...

of course, but I understand for young men fame can mean more chance with, er, the laydees. How else would you explain "the stunnas" on the arm of Robbie Williams?

Jealous? Moi?

Beany | 7 October 2008 - 10:33am

Upgrades on airlines

Unless your Ian Brown.

Better service in many places (hotels for example).

Many members of the opposite sex will find you more attractive famous than not.

You can make some money having a ghost written (auto)biography. No one would read mine.

More doors will open, more often and easier.

Lee Rimmer | 7 October 2008 - 10:35am

Success with the opposite sex

maybe...? Fame, power and money seem to make ugly people very attractive.

I think Mrs Merton summed it all up perfectly in her interview with "the lovely" Debbie McGee - "So, just what attracted you to the millionaire Paul Daniels?"

Retro Man | 7 October 2008 - 10:37am

Just thought of another

More opportunity to be a grumpy arse and moan about the impact of fame and still have people listen to you.

Lee Rimmer | 7 October 2008 - 10:40am

And

lots of free stuff

Crowdedmouse | 7 October 2008 - 10:42am

Free stuff...

tons of it.

Jamie_Bowman | 7 October 2008 - 10:53am

Money makes the world go round

and although it's not the be-all and end-all, I reckon a good dollop of fame would probably give you a bit of extra cash, which is always nice.

Also, I'm sure you also get more, ahem, attention from the opposite sex, as best summed up by Peter Crouch...

Interviewer: "Peter, what do you think you'd be if you weren't a Premiership footballer?"
Crouch: "Um... probably a virgin."

Joe R | 7 October 2008 - 10:54am

Post of the day!!

Ho Ho

dolly | 7 October 2008 - 4:02pm

I certainly wouldn't have gone with him

if he was a nobody

Lee Rimmer | 7 October 2008 - 7:44pm

But also...

...for every person who wants to give you free stuff there are ten who think they can make a fortune out of you.

David Hepworth | 7 October 2008 - 10:54am

Ah but...

...you never asked us to name the downside of fame. I'm sure that list would be longer.

Can you lend me a tenner? Pay you back next month.

Beany | 7 October 2008 - 11:04am

My advice would be to pick friends carefully then

And never forget that when your not famous the only difference is no one ever wants to give you free stuff but there are still the ten who think they can make a fortune out of you. Hence junk mail, unsolicited phone calls and spam for us mortals.

Lee Rimmer | 7 October 2008 - 11:05am

true but

junk mail and cold calls are easily avoided, and spam can be minimized with a little effort. But if you were famous/rich/both, you'd have "people" to take care of that stuff anyways.

PhilC | 8 October 2008 - 12:01pm

Maybe the percieved downsides

outweigh the good stuff, resulting in a net negative? i.e. he's not suggesting there's no good sides at all, just that on balance, there's more bad consequences.

Anyway - I don't have a clue either way - but maybe Mr Knopfler doesn't do the queue jumping, grouping jumping, nose ningle etc. so those benefits may not be ones he takes advantage of.

Fraser M | 7 October 2008 - 11:02am

Bet

he even has a gold Tesco Clubcard

Beany | 7 October 2008 - 11:05am

I think the question

was tell me one good thing - inferring that there were none. Otherwise he would have added and I'll tell you some bad stuff that outweighs it.

Anyone famous moaning about the price of fame does my swede in frankly. Stop doing the stuff that makes you famous. Seek advice from Andrew Ridgely - and he married a pop star and still is unencumbered by fame.

Lee Rimmer | 7 October 2008 - 11:08am

Thanks LB

You have made me look up Andrew on Wikipedia and I'm glad the lad done well. Quite frankly I think he deserves a piece in The Word. Nay a cover.

Beany | 7 October 2008 - 11:16am

MK *did* stop

and according to the BBC story, he's not very keen on the idea of a DS reunion, either.

Here's a bit more context - the quote was about the band at their height, not his life now:

"It just got too big," [Knopfler] admitted.

"It got to the point when I'd get into the catering area and didn't recognise the truck drivers. What I loved about touring is that you felt like a little family.

"The road crew would travel all over the world, they were independent, great people and I valued the relationship we had with them - and we had a part of the crew who had been from Wales."

"I feel incredibly privileged, but if anyone can tell me one good thing about fame, I'd be very interested to hear it. It's a by-product of success."

Fraser M | 7 October 2008 - 11:22am

Thanks for the context

As I rather like Mark Knopfler so will withdraw my ire now I know.

Lee Rimmer | 7 October 2008 - 11:39am

Is there any way to...

...be a successful musician without the daily annoyance of fame?

Burial has managed it fairly well, but he is, arguably, not enormously well known.
Most of Kiss could probably buy a bottle of milk down their corner shop in the 70s without tripping over gawpers and autograph hunters and I imagine the same is true of Slipknot today.
So perhaps Mark Knopfler should start wearing make up or, possibly a hideous mask.

Niks | 7 October 2008 - 11:20am

He could always...

extend his headband.

Patrick Crowther | 7 October 2008 - 7:41pm

Andrew on the cover

Has he got a beard these days?

Crowdedmouse | 7 October 2008 - 11:20am

Only stubble. That do?

Beany | 7 October 2008 - 11:27am

Chicks for free

see above

James Blast | 7 October 2008 - 11:34am

they say...

...a good seat in a restaurant,but personally i'd go for the couple of million quid in my bank account and the 10 or so supercars in the garage(s)

Doug B | 7 October 2008 - 11:39am

But that's different

There are thousands of people who are quite famous that you couldn't say that about. Go through all the people who were on the cover of Smash Hits and NME in the 80s. Not many supercars there.

David Hepworth | 7 October 2008 - 12:14pm

But being famous is also not quite the same. . .

as being a very well-known face. I would think that outside record shops and Denmark Street guitar shops, Mark Knopfler could probably wander around in many public places without being recognised and bothered much more than, I imagine, you occasionally are, David.

Archie Valparaiso | 7 October 2008 - 12:27pm

Celebrities can be as

Celebrities can be as "famous" as they want to be - it's a question of where they set the parameters. I once sat down in a cafe on Portland Place, and heard a voice I recognized behind me - it was Paul McCartney, talking to a friend, no entourage in sight (admittedly this was in the days before Heather). But nobody was bothering him, although everyone there must have known who he was.

At the other extreme, John Peel used to say that Mike Read was always complaining about "the pressures of fame" but at the same time used to walk down the street in a bright tartan suit with a guitar at his back.

I recommend you all read this - I interviewed one of these authors a couple of years back, and it confirmed every prejudice I ever had about "celebrities"

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=prnw.20060905.LATU045&show_artic...

Ben Milne | 7 October 2008 - 1:24pm

I can honestly say...

that I would hate to be famous. Thankfully, there is very little chance of that happening, so I should be OK.

A few years ago I was walking down Oxford Street after having been taking photographs in the streets of the West End. I have a professional digital SLR. Walking towards me was Leslie Grantham, recently the subject of a tabloid storm. As soon as he saw my camera, he glared at me, his eyes saying "If you dare take my photograph, you'll regret it." As he passed me, I looked over my shoulder and saw that he was looking back at me to see whether I was pointing my camera at him.

Now I am not interested in taking photographs of the rich and famous. But he wasn't to know that. I could have been a paparazzo...

This encounter confirmed everything I ever thought about the fame game... no matter how great the riches, the adulation and the fringe benefits one receives, the invasion of privacy and resultant paranoia just isn't worth it.

Patrick Crowther | 7 October 2008 - 12:33pm

AA Gill

Points out in "Starcrossed" that there is a massive difference between being rich and being famous. REALLY rich people generally spend vast amounts on staying out of view.

Twangothan | 7 October 2008 - 1:33pm

The people who won the lottery on this

are the cast of The Simpsons. They are in one of the most famous, critically acclaimed world wide hits for nearly 2 decades and yet 98% of their audience wouldn't recognise them if they introduced themselves. And if Yeardley Smith and Nancy Cartwright are typical, could not be nicer human beings.

Cornwall Guy | 7 October 2008 - 1:56pm

Not Famous, but with privileges

Some pals and I ran a big live comedy game show that we toured. We played all the big festivals at the turn of the century. Camping in the artists area and having back stage passes was brilliant. We even budgeted enough for a mate to come along as our chef.
That made us feel famous.
I had a tiddle and was stood between Jarvis and Liam.

Mr Drayton | 7 October 2008 - 12:51pm

Hanging out

with the big boys then?

Beany | 7 October 2008 - 12:57pm

I once went between Robson & Jerome

Beat that.

Five-Centres | 7 October 2008 - 4:15pm

errr...

I saw Peter Beardsley's tackle...

Retro Man | 7 October 2008 - 4:21pm

Everyone

has seen Peter Beardsleys tackle.
You're not a geordie if you've not.
They have a check list:

Laughing Stock Football team? Check.
Stottie Cakes? Check.
Fear of anyone south of Gateshead? Check.
Battlescars and lovebites after too much brown ale? Check?
Seen Beardo's Knob? Check.
Welcome marra - You're a Geordie.

Mr Drayton | 7 October 2008 - 7:29pm

3 Wee Guys

ran up to me in the merchandise area of Nine Inch Nails' concert at the Barrowlands c.92 (reported on in threads passim) whipped their jackets open to display a t-shirt I had designed for a short lived combo I played bass and supplied moisture for.

Well my mate was impressed.

I beamed like a... eh... a... Rayburn?

James Blast | 7 October 2008 - 9:27pm

Oh, I thought I was the only one...

Well, I'm not a Geordie and it was in London.

Retro Man | 8 October 2008 - 10:54am

How about meeting famous and interesting people

and going to incredible places, I know this might apply in part to journos.
But Paul Mcartney has met everyone who's famous elvis, ali, etc. He's been everywhere, if he wasn't famous and was now a retired Liverpool estate agent he'd may hvae been to 10 countries and would be on nodding terms with John Sisssons amd Tarby. To an interested engaged in quistive soul beoing famous must be smart look at Eno he gets asked all over the world to meet interesting people and do stuff if he's gone on to eb art teacher he's have good life I imagine but one with samller horizons. I don't think these opportunities aren't full open to civilians even the media.

Chris G | 7 October 2008 - 12:52pm

But Brian Eno isn't properly famous...

most people wouldn't have a clue who he was. His level of 'fame' is great... it allows him access, as you say, to meet interesting people that he wouldn't otherwise be able to do.

Patrick Crowther | 7 October 2008 - 12:57pm

alright then

Kelly Brookes, I heard an interview or something and she and her ex had been to Gore Vidal's gaff for lunch, not something middle ranking members of IT firms sales teams get to do. And you conviently sidestepped Macca. I could have chosen Bono or Bryan ferry or Lou Reed or I bet even Mark Knopfler has seen some things played with Muddy waters, a day at out Hay on wye sounds pretty jolly the odd free butty and glass of wine it's not erecting scaffolding.

Chris G | 7 October 2008 - 1:09pm

Shagging

Frankly when I was in my 20s I was at it at every opportunity and did alright. If I were a famous person my boots would've been overflowing.

kb | 7 October 2008 - 1:49pm

Somehow...

you have right put me off my afternoon yoghourt...

Beany | 7 October 2008 - 1:53pm

I can't wait to be famous

People begin taking your asinine, Sarah Palinesque politics seriously. You attend a soiree at Ten Downing Street where the Prime Minster solicits your opinion on how to best implement debt relief in an African country who’s GDP would barely cover the annual cost of your escalating coke habit.

The BBC flies you to Africa so that you can be filmed in the presence of malnourished AIDS orphans for Comic Relief. The following day you make an appearance on Top Gear where you argue with Jeremy Clarkson over which Ferrari is the best. A poll in the Radio Times, asking readers to name the celebrity they would most like to lead the country, places you 3rd after Sir Alan Sugar and Kerry Katona. Meanwhile readers of the NME vote you “Wanker of the Decade”, ahead of Pete Doherty.

You are now so famous that J.K. Rowling asks you to autograph her original manuscripts of the Harry Potter novels. The law cannot touch you. In East Anglia they worship you as a God. The comedian and impressionist - Rory Bremner - issues a public apology after you threaten to have him locked-up in a small windowless room in the Tower of London, with a naked Jonathan Ross. You punch former Boyzone frontman - Ronan Keating – in the face and are awarded the keys to Dublin as recognition of your services to music.

Google employs you as the face of their new search engine. You use their generous endorsement money to employ Bryan Ferry as your personal valet.

backwards7 | 7 October 2008 - 3:25pm

Being able to say "it's so tiresome being famous".

That's a luxury only afforded to them.

I hate this age-old whinge. If it's such a bind why did they choose to do what they do in the first place? Only a deaf mute doesn't know what goes with the territory.

If they say 'I'm just a jobbing actor/musician/whatever - fame is a by-product that I can live without', then it begs the questions:

a) Why go in for this in the first place if it wasn't to reach a wider audience?,
and
b) Would you honestly be happier still strumming away to six people in a pub/playing to to half empty houses in the windswept, rundown seaside towns of England in A Slice Of Saturday Night with Caroline Munro, Jim Dunk and Patti Boulaye?

No. So suck it up.

Five-Centres | 7 October 2008 - 3:49pm

Take Jamie Redknapp and Louise...

OK Jamie Redknapp was probably not quite as good a footballer as Beckham but he was considered a bit of a male model type (er, not by me I hasten to add...) and he married a far better looking and certainly far more talented singer.

They seem to have handled the celebrity couple thing quite well and appear a pretty well grounded couple.

Retro Man | 7 October 2008 - 3:55pm

when was the last time she sung owt?

she was singer for 10 minutes way back but i take tour point

Chris G | 7 October 2008 - 4:11pm

Fair point...

but when she did sing it was considerably better than Posh.
Mind you Posh would be hard pushed to get past the first auditions on X-Factor.

Retro Man | 7 October 2008 - 4:23pm

thinking about this

hasn't Mark Knopfler answered this himself see below, also isn't it about time Youtube changed it's tag line "broadcast yourself" to "usefully post pop videos nicked of norwegian telly to settle arguments"


Chris G | 7 October 2008 - 4:50pm

Whinging famous people...

... bloody popstars, whinge about fame then cling to it for dear life for the rest of their lives. Advantages of being famous?
- lots of shallow members of the opposite sex throwing themselves at you
- free drugs
- free drinks
- ton of money
- access to a lifestyle which 99% of planet earth can only dream of.
- If the shallow things in life dont appeal to you then wealth and fame gives you the time and money to do whatever you like. Who wouldn't want to be Brian Eno frankly? He does as he pleases and appears not to be a pillock.

Disadvantages?
- people like me insulting you online and in the streets if I see you (but only if I am not a fan of your work. I saw that Terry Jones from Monty Python the other week and let him go about his business unmolested)
- tabloid papers splashing about you (but only if you act like a pillock it seems)
- ummm, very little else unless you are an idiot.

Mark Knopfler could walk down the street and not be recognized by most people, lets be honest. I've got a couple of his albums but unless he chased after me while wearing a headband, waving a guitar and yelling "I'm Mark Knopfler, look on my works ye mighty and despair!" I'd never recognize him. Buts he's probably extremely wealthy and in a position to do whatever the hell he wants. He has money and not fame. So what's he unhappy about? Here endeth the rant...

ganglesprocket | 7 October 2008 - 5:01pm

To be fair

Nobody - least of all him - said he was unhappy.
He simply asked what was so great about being *famous*.

David Hepworth | 7 October 2008 - 6:41pm

But

it was in the context of talking about being in Dire Straits when they were massive and not wanting to go back to that level of stardom which he found onerous. Of course the success made it easier for him to be free to do what he wants now so he shouldn't begrudge it, not that he does I expect - probably shouldn't make too much of one little comment anyhow. Basically Knopfler doesn't seem to be the hedonistic type who would be suited to being a big star - or maybe not enough of an egotist. Too 'normal' in other words. Enjoyment of fame - depends on individual (how they handle it, whether they are suited to it)and how much fame they have and what they are famous (or infamous) for really.

Sven | 8 October 2008 - 6:58am

Then there are those for whom fame is the end in itself

Does Victoria Beckham hope to be remembered for her contributions to popular song or for the number of magazine covers she's been on? I imagine she'd be mortified if one day she went shopping without the flurry of "Look! it's..." reactions.

Archie Valparaiso | 8 October 2008 - 7:02am

The best thing about being famous

I would imagine, is having the chance to air your opinions under the possibly false but nevertheless reassuring impression that people are listening or care. I'd love to be asked my opinion on my favourite films, or be asked for my iTunes celebrity playlist, or be a guest on the Word podcast or something. I'd imagine the rest of it's pretty hellish: not being able to shop in peace, etc.

Lucas Hare | 7 October 2008 - 8:11pm

Shopping in peace

When I lived in Hampstead, regular shoppers in the local newsagent's, butcher's, dry cleaner's or Oddbins included Lulu, John le Carré, Jeremy Irons and Sinead Cusack, John Hurt, the then leader of the opposition, Michael Foot, and Peter Cook. I never saw anyone who didn't know them already ever address them, much less accost them for autographs, shout out "Sing us a bit of 'Boom Bang A Bang then, darling!" or "What's the worst job you ever had?" or otherwise bother them in any way.

Although, now I come to think about it, maybe that was precisely why they all chose to live there.

Archie Valparaiso | 7 October 2008 - 8:52pm

I used to walk Michael Foot's dog for him...

when I did a paper round as a kid. Nice bloke.

Patrick Crowther | 7 October 2008 - 10:20pm

I saw him from a bus in Hampstead

He was sitting on a bench seemingly having a high-level philosophical debate with himself. Dog on lead, oblivious. As was everyone else, it seemed.

Austin | 8 October 2008 - 2:35am

Good old Prince Charles

He's currently on the cover of a magazine called Intelligent Life. What next? Parenting Monthly with Rosemary West?

Stan Halen | 8 October 2008 - 1:41am

Different types of fame

I imagine the kind of fame that Tim Berners-Lee has might be bearable, in that if he ever does get recognized it's probably by someone who knows enough about what he does for an interesting conversation to be had.

I don't know if it helps with the casual sex thing though.

Fraser Lewry | 7 October 2008 - 8:37pm

Hey, he has a good opening line

"I invented cybersex."

Archie Valparaiso | 7 October 2008 - 8:53pm

No silly duckegg

It was Al Gore that invented the internet

Beany | 7 October 2008 - 9:30pm

What was Morrissey's take on all this?

"All I wanted in life was to be famous. I've tried for so long, it's all gone wrong. I'll tell you why. You just haven't earned it yet baby, you just haven't earned it my son...you must suffer and cry for slightly longer..."

Limited relevance I know, but can never resist shoehorning in a good Morrissey lyric!

John Waite | 8 October 2008 - 11:48am

Fame, fame fatal fame...

It can play hideous tricks on the brain

(still I rather be famous than righteous or holy)

dolly | 9 October 2008 - 10:35am

And I recall

that we hate it when our friends become famous. He's fixated on it!

Lee Rimmer | 9 October 2008 - 11:39am

and when they're

northern?

dolly | 9 October 2008 - 12:58pm

"Fame"

Fame as a by product of success can't be too bad, especially if you are in a position not to bother trying too hard once you are a success.

Fame for its own sake must be appalling. Imagine getting on a bus and being recognized? I reckon that would be horrible, but then again I'm not daft enough to try and get on Big Big brother or anything like that.

If you're not an idiot and you're not chasing fame for the sake of fame I doubt it's all that bad. Tim Berners Lee is a good example. I have no idea what he looks like so I'm unlikely to mob him. If he called a restraunt (sic, my spelling is awful, sorry) I happened to be a waiter at he'd get the best table because I know his name.

ganglesprocket | 8 October 2008 - 11:50am

Famous and poor...

... ie when you have to use a bus. That's got to be a real problem, especially for people like Big Brother contestants who attract attention and hatred. No burly minder to protect you when you are met by drunken louts who 'know' you. Enough to make anyone agrophobic.

kb | 8 October 2008 - 4:20pm

That's why

it's always good to assume a pen-name on the blog, would you not agree gangle? For all they know we might by Daniel Craig & Halle Berry. Or The Krankies.

Beany | 8 October 2008 - 12:13pm

you are probably right

I should have chosen a more secret nickname here I am reviewing the new Rover that drummer son of mine has really let the family name out of the bag....

Chris G | 8 October 2008 - 12:25pm

Mr Sprocket if you please!

A certain degree of formality is a good thing but I'll let you off seeing as the fake name is non gender specific.

Judging by the levels of erudition to be found here though I have a sneaking suspicion that everything here (apart from my own contributions of course) is actually written by Stephen Fry, Word staffers and their friends.

ganglesprocket | 8 October 2008 - 1:30pm

Oooh ! I´d love to be famous, me, i would

...cars and girls. that´s all it is ...Cars and Girls

On The Fence | 8 October 2008 - 1:04pm

Yep - you could be

Jay Kay

Lee Rimmer | 8 October 2008 - 1:39pm

Some things hurt much more,

Mr McAloon.

Fraser M | 8 October 2008 - 1:54pm

In real life I am the famous Brian Harvey ex of East 17...

...and I can say with some authority that very few things hurt much more than cars.

ganglesprocket | 9 October 2008 - 2:20pm

Arf!

...

John Waite | 9 October 2008 - 2:57pm

Brian Harvey...

out of East 17? I've seen you in Chingford Sainsburys before now, sometimes accompanied by a "lady" (I use the term in its vaguest means) friend. On one occasion, you were having a right old barney in the salads aisle. You'd made up by the time you reached the dairy products, though.

PhilC | 9 October 2008 - 4:07pm

In making the very true claim that cars hurt...

... I didn't entirely mean that girls were therefore removed entirely from the equation you know. And the one you refer to has a nice personality.

ganglesprocket | 9 October 2008 - 5:06pm

shaving

still gotta shave if yer a 50+ Rawk Mil, and it is a drag
"Get off me bitch! I've got my 7 razor Gillette™ on the go."

James Blast | 9 October 2008 - 10:27pm

Disagree

especially if you want additional fame through being on the cover of Word magazine.

Lee Rimmer | 10 October 2008 - 9:16am

Best job in music?

The other three members of Coldplay - all the money and success, none of the hassle. Kerching, job's a good 'un!

ronne | 10 October 2008 - 1:59pm

Wise words from an expert

Stephen Fry has written extensively on fame, the good and bad sides, and who are we to argue with him?

http://stephenfry.com/blog/?p=19

Surely the best thing about fame must be the opportunities it offers (besides the endless sex and free things). I imagine that fame allows you to meet more interesting people, and go to more interesting places, with better service, than mere mortals.

But having been close to a former Big Brother contestant while he was shopping in Next, only to be roundly abused in the strongest (and I do mean STRONGEST) language by a gang of teenage yobs, I'm not sure if the plusses make up for some loss of privacy. Although anybody who volunteers for Big Brother is so unfathomably vain and self-obsessed that they practically deserve brickbats from the common herd, what could be worse than to be followed from shop to shop by total strangers as you do your everyday shopping? I seem to remember the police having to be called when thousands of people flocked to watch David Bowie buy a couple of CDs in HMV in Oxford Street.

A friend of mine is a millionaire businessman whose face is fairly well-known in our neck of the woods. Going to the pub with him was an insight into fame, even on a small scale: a fair number of people introduced themselves, angling for a free pint. If he bought a pint for everyone, some would think he was showing off his wealth. If he didn't, they'd think he was Scrooge. Either way, his quiet night at the pub was spoilt by total strangers looking to get something for nothing.

Better to be anonymous (but rich), thanks.

MrLovegrove | 11 October 2008 - 4:43pm

Today

I overheard two children talking about being rich and famous, and which was better. One said to the other, "Why would you want to be rich without being famous? That's just, like, crazy!"

Lucas Hare | 11 October 2008 - 5:08pm

That...

is a sign of the times.

Patrick Crowther | 12 October 2008 - 8:22am

I hesitate to state this,

I hesitate to state this, but our constituency

a) are of a certain age, mostly, and so have, accidentally, acquired a smidgeon of wisdom to see through fickle fame,

b) were burned by exposure to Bros asking "When Will I Be Famous ? " at an impressionable age

and
c) are not exactly big on the bling thing. (Says he, awaiting brickbats)

The sign of the times is under-educated folk wanting to be famous, and somehow achieve a validation of their existence without actually having done anything which might, arguably, assuming you like Dire Straits, have made the world a little better and so might warrant the attention. Not really MK's more thoughtful position. Still, though Chanelle/Chantelle/Jade/Victoria have not exactly filled the world with quality lately they have figured out that being a shiny famous person is a very paid job, far in excess of any other they (or...sob...I...) would ever get otherwise. So they can live with the mockery of over-educated folk on music blogs.

Doods | 13 October 2008 - 11:33am

Hmm.

Innit do?

Lucas Hare | 12 October 2008 - 3:40pm

See..

If i was famous I’d think about people who looked like me abusing their power and getting free things, The thought of that and the wheel barrows of cash and countless ladies* on your arm.

*Ladies not included if Mark Knopfler

gebus74 | 17 October 2008 - 3:17am

Fame

There's a weird thing when you're famous that people think they can relate to you even when you have nothing in common with them - in my job, I've met quite a few famous faces, and seen some of the stuff they have to put up with. Even if they're generally nice people (and most of them are), the pressure must be enormous. And that's not even for people who court the media.

I've not got much sympathy for those celebrities who turn their entire lives into a media circus - to some extent, they bring a lot of hassle on themselves. But in most cases, famous people are famous because of their job, and when they're not doing that job, they're entitled to be left alone, I think.

Not particularly answering David's initial question, though. Sorry. :)

Andrew F | 23 October 2008 - 6:46pm