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Taylor Swift is 20. Lady GaGa is 23.

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Fantastic analysis of what's wrong with Taylor Swift (the Product, rather than the person): "A symbolical analysis of the Taylor Swift cannon (w/infographic). Is there art without sex? Love without raincoats? Feminism without girls? Beauty without dirt? Copycats without claws?"

http://www.autostraddle.com/why-taylor-swift-offends-little-monsters-fem...

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sorry I'm confused

is the above saying she's good or bad. Roy orbison mentions crying in his songs madonna alluded to virginity and as for trucks Convoy by C. W. McCall got to number one in america (even DLT's version did alright over here)?

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Chris G | 9 February 2010 - 3:35pm

Me neither

It's much to clever for me.

But, I hear that Lady GaGa has a willie, so she wins. Girls are crap at everything.

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HudD | 9 February 2010 - 3:43pm

Absolutely unnecessary..

to keep perpetuating this patently unfunny lie about LG. Be very ashamed.

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Declan | 9 February 2010 - 7:43pm

It's true

I read it in a book. Also, Bob Holness played sax on Baker Street and Paul is dead.

Big ironic wink and an elbow in the ribs. Just tickling, darling.

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HudD | 9 February 2010 - 7:49pm

Darling..?

Sure you're only a bollocks, as the Irishman said to the Irishman.

Seriously though, I realize she's divisive, provocative, and ubiquitous. Maybe she has these cheap shots coming. But as Archie has explained more eloquently than I can, she's also the best pop music we've had for some years. The dick story is just plain smutty and reflects more on the teller than on her.

Nuff said?

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Declan | 9 February 2010 - 9:58pm

I thought

the dick story was something she had invented or at least promulgated herself, gaining many column inches in the process. (Oo, and indeed, er.)

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phlanth | 9 February 2010 - 11:13pm

Yes

It is a serious point when I think about it, Silly rumours can plague any pop star's career, all it takes is one little snippet somewhere and it can scupper any serious intent the artist has. Especially, women, because, unfortunately, any woman who tries to make headway in this time of auto-tune and technological-studio-trickery is going to find it hard to make it. I was talking to someone about the Cheryl Cole album, the fact the reviews have been quite good and the press have nothing but praise for her - but it's manafactured & homogenised and packaged - and no matter how many ironic journos praise her to the skies, success like hers comes at the expense of female artists who really have talent.

Lady GaGa's singles are brilliant, but alas, it's pop music, and anybody who wants to appeal to a mainstream audience will have to a traverse a baying pack of tabloid hacks always looking for an angle - and in this age of click-and-its-out-there pop gossip, rumours like this are going to proliferate.

My little quip was intended to draw attention to the stupidity of the rumour, not reinforce it; I think the Word Massive are canny enough to see when someone is being ironic to expose silliness, that's why I appended it with another little bit of inanity about girls being no good at anything.

I'm reminded of that Arthur Two Sheds Jackson skit on the first Python show, where no matter how many times poor Arthur tried to get the subject back to his music, the interviewer kept referring back to the sheds. This is GaGa's two-sheds moment, but I have a feeling it will do her more good than harm, in terms of raising her profile, it hasn't affected her sales one iota and as for those people stupid enough to believe it, sure, who needs them anyway?

She's a strong woman, and I'm sure she can look after herself.

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HudD | 10 February 2010 - 12:12am

I've engaged in discussions

of a political nature with a right wing neo-con American on another blog. He's intelligent but is a parochial ideologue. He quite openly and unironically spoke of his adoration for Taylor Swift and what she represents to him stating that she's the kind of girl he wants his daughters to be and the kind of girl he wants his son to bring home one day. He said all this in a 5 point 'Plan' that made no comment whatsoever about her music.

And that's the point of Taylor Swift for many Americans. It's what she represents rather than what her talent is in musical terms. She's an "event" over there and for many that's enough of a cultural fix to judge her as an icon and an "artist".

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Ahh_Bisto | 9 February 2010 - 3:59pm

I don't know why AB

but that scares the hell out of me.

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HudD | 9 February 2010 - 4:07pm

If you want the hell

scared out of you just watch a couple of YouTube videos of interviews with people in the queue for Sarah Palin book signings.

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Ahh_Bisto | 9 February 2010 - 4:25pm

I saw that!

It was on HIGNFY! It gave me the willies and no mistake! I couldn't even laugh. I thought she was quite sexy in a MILFy-type-way but once she opened her mouth all I saw was ARMAGEDDON. The Simpson movie missed-out on a great opportunity when they set the 2nd half in Alaska, maybe it was already in post-production when the prez-race took place, OR THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A FEW CORKERS, i'M SURE..

Thank God for Tina Fey, eh? And she's a looker too. But she's a girl and girls aren't as funny as men. John McCain showed her, he's a side-splitter, and no mistake. He recommended a plumber to me once...

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HudD | 9 February 2010 - 4:34pm

Profundity

If we are looking to rock (or country) stars for profound insights into life, we are looking in the wrong places.
Part of the point of popular music is that it goes over the same things again and again. Nice graphic though.

Can't wait to see the one for Steely Dan
Drugs * * *
Jazz Musicians **
Greek Myths *
Mystical Religions *
Medieval politics *
Trucks - none (that spring to mind)

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paulwright | 9 February 2010 - 4:00pm

Willies, Willies...

Bearing in mind that Ms Swift has had but two albums in her complete works, there's a hell of a lot of angelic boys, journeys in trucks (with angelic boys) and weeping (in the rain).

Meanwhile booty shaking, striking poses, wanting (your) disease and general Rah Rah Oh La La are conspicuously absent. (Granted there's precious little of that in Roy Orbison's oeuvre either.)

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daddyorchipsblog | 9 February 2010 - 4:03pm

But what about

Dum-dum doobie-doo-wha?

Genius, by-the-way.

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HudD | 9 February 2010 - 4:13pm

still can't see what the problem is

seems fairly standard teenage fare most girls will grow out it, the same way most blokes round here don't still live their life to a credo solely dictate by the sage words of strummer/morrissey/zappa/Emerson lake or palmer* *delete where applicable.

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Chris G | 9 February 2010 - 7:10pm

I think the thrust of the

I think the thrust of the article is that the very successful but drippy boy-obsessed Taylor Swift The Product isn't a great message for young girls whereas the equally successful more independent-minded message from Beyoncé, GaGa etc is a tad healthier in the author's view.

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daddyorchipsblog | 9 February 2010 - 8:22pm

since when was pop music meant to be healthy

and I would say the "messages" coming out Beyonce songs/videos were mixed to say the least. And seeing how many people their parents age in the UK like Lady gaga I'm sure most self respecting teenager will go for Taylor Swift to wind everyone up, as she seems to do round here.

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Chris G | 9 February 2010 - 8:47pm

Ok

Maybe 'healthy' isn't the right word. The author reads the Taylor Swift material as valuing... oh never mind... she reckons Swift is a doormat and Beyoncé is bad ass.

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daddyorchipsblog | 9 February 2010 - 9:00pm

Swift & GaGa

Ahh_Bisto points out, correctly, that Swift is an event, but then so is Lady GaGa. You know how department stores call their seasonal sales 'events'? That's what we're talking about. Because both of them sell records in large quantities. They've both done it by applying the rules of marketing, specifically the identifying of a target market and bombarding them with messages that fit the demographic. GaGa is targeting those who would like to party all night long with no pants, Swift is targeting those who would rather keep the pants on until the right one comes along. These are genuine demographics and they can't be blamed for cynically exploiting them. After all, isn't everyone else complaining how hard it is to sell music these days? That's because most people sing about themselves rather than being the mouthpiece of their audience. The reason country has always done well in the US is that it speaks for the people who listen to it.

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Mavis Diles | 9 February 2010 - 6:28pm

Is there no room for an act

Is there no room for an act to become successful without being the product of cynical marketing? I do hope that the acts I go see or whose music I enjoy aren't just exploiting my demographic.

Arrow up for partying all night without pants! Oh, maybe I do belong to a certain demographic after all... :D

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daddyorchipsblog | 9 February 2010 - 8:28pm

All I know about Taylor Swift...

... can be read in Kate Mossman's article in last months Word. She has made no impression on the sprocket household at all.

I can say though, that I thought it was a fine article.

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ganglesprocket | 9 February 2010 - 6:44pm

Ooooh

you just want her to blow you a kiss on the next Podcast!

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HudD | 9 February 2010 - 7:25pm

I tend to listen on my bike.

So if that ever happened I'd probably fall off...

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ganglesprocket | 9 February 2010 - 8:58pm

I'll have to Goggle

I don't know what a Swift Tailor is

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James Blast | 9 February 2010 - 6:58pm

Its

Paul Smith on rollerskates.

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HudD | 9 February 2010 - 7:26pm

thank

you

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James Blast | 9 February 2010 - 8:45pm

No

prob.

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HudD | 9 February 2010 - 8:58pm

There's no such word

as "symbolical." Which neatly illustrates the pretentious and ridiculous nature of the, err... analysis?

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Mark JF | 9 February 2010 - 10:18pm

Um, 'symbolical' is very

Um, 'symbolical' is very definitely a real word. What does this revelation neatly illustrate? ;)

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daddyorchipsblog | 9 February 2010 - 10:45pm

It's like comparing

David Cassidy and David Bowie?
Any other's?

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Dave Amitri | 9 February 2010 - 10:32pm

"Heavy-Handed Descriptions Of Eyeballs"

Eh? Sounds like an excerpt from an early Blue Öyster Cult lyric. How can you describe eyeballs? Round? Veined? Watery?

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Lenny Law | 9 February 2010 - 11:10pm

20 and 23 eh?

so they grew up on the likes of the Backstreet Boys, NSYNC, Linkin Park, Eminem, 50 Cent, Usher and Maria Carey ... (also Clinton and Bush; not George and Kate mind you)

just saying

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Glenbervie | 9 February 2010 - 11:15pm

I've heard precisely one..

Taylor Swift song and one Lady GA Ga song and both made me eternally thankful I'm not a teenage girl.
Sorry, but anyone who is not a teenage girl has no business engaging in this stuff.

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shane pacey | 9 February 2010 - 11:16pm

Can't exactly avoid it..

now can you? I'm at an age where I need to work out and LG is on heavy rotation at my local gym. Her singles stand out from the masses of me-too dance pop, it's not Chaka or Dusty, but it's okay, it's the way pop should be.

Don't know anything about TS yet.

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Declan | 9 February 2010 - 11:48pm

'No business'? I reckon you

'No business'? I reckon you should have a hairbrush shoved into your hand, directed to the nearest mirror and not come back until you have appreciated the majesty and triumph that is Since U Been Gone by Kelly Clarkson. It'll cure what ails you. (If you have second hairbrush, I may join you)

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daddyorchipsblog | 10 February 2010 - 7:30am

also, those symbols up there would make a great Tom Waits tune

Woke up at 2am, eyeballed the rain,
No princesses in this cheap motel, no sir,
Couldn't even see the stars in the sky.
The last guy in this room had left a book by some Frenchman,
Didn't read it.
Phone didn't ring.
No messenger of God showed up at the window,
Just the rain.
Took off in my pickup
Drove past a roadside statue of the Virgin,
Weeping real tears.

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Glenbervie | 9 February 2010 - 11:20pm

Damned clever, 'bervie.

An "Up" for you. Deserving of many more.

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Lenny Law | 10 February 2010 - 12:03am

Amazing

Now if we could get Taylor Swift to record *that*, we'd be getting somewhere.

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daddyorchipsblog | 10 February 2010 - 7:31am
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