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Talking to Jac Holzman, the founder of the world's coolest record label

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ImageThe record business as we knew it was built by a handful of guys who were young men at the end of the war. Jac Holzman was one of them. He started the Elektra label in 1950. Elektra was the original indie in the sense that it was made to reflect the tastes of its owner. It was Holzman who signed Judy Collins, Tom Paxton, Love, The Doors, the Incredible String Band, Carly Simon, The Stooges and hundreds of others.

Holzman believed that an album should be a sustained piece of work and put almost as much thought into the way it should be packaged as the way it was recorded. I talked to him this week when he was in town to mark Elektra's 60th anniversary and to help promote a splendid new history of the label, Becoming Elektra by Mick Houghton. If you notice any difference in sound between the first and second half of this podcast, it's nobody's fault but mine and, well, a long story.

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Brilliant podcast David..

..Great to tap into such a rich period of rock hist.
..and refreshing to hear a veteran not being hysterical about the rapidly changing face of the music selling game.
He is right though, the art of making proper albums is nigh on defunct.

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shane pacey | 22 October 2010 - 3:11am

Thanks for this

I see that on BBC4 tonight at 11.40 there's something that may interest anyone who, to borrow a phrase, was affected by any of the issues in this podcast:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00vfhyc

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Lucas Hare | 22 October 2010 - 6:40pm

Rock

I note Heppo tells us Electra moved from recording folk acts to rock acts. What is a rock act David?

On less bolshy note, excellent 'cast ;-)

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Twangothan | 22 October 2010 - 7:41pm

A great podcast

and a fascinating interview with a truly remarkable man.

I was interested to hear Jac talk about the label's shopfront in Soho's Dean Street because between 1967-70 I worked in publishing just a few yards away around the corner in Old Compton Street and would often visit the Elektra offices to deliver/collect stuff.

The warehouse guys thankfully tolerated a 16 year-old hanging around looking through the boxes of records and would regularly slip me American promo singles by the Doors, Judy Collins, Tom Paxton etc, even if they didn't quite share my enthusiasm for the strange new music.

One memorable day in mid-1967 the Incredible String Band's landmark second album The 5000 Spirits Or The Layers Of The Onion arrived and several copies of the eye-watering sleeve went on prominent display in the Dean Street window. I cheekily managed to blag a mono copy of the LP (which I still have).

Not many UK acts were signed to the UK branch of Elektra, but along with the ISB was Eclection, a multi-national outfit featuring future Fairporters Trevor Lucas and Gerry Conway. Lucas of course would later become Mr. Sandy Denny.

I don't know if the podcast was edited for reasons of time, but it would have been interesting to hear Jac's memories of Tim Buckley.

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mojoworking | 23 October 2010 - 8:41am

Editing

The only editing was to get rid of a couple of false starts - otherwise, you heard everything that was recorded.

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Fraser Lewry | 23 October 2010 - 9:00am

Fascinating...

He really does come across as an extraordinary man. Listening to him makes one realize that record companies weren't always the monolithic money grabbers they're often portrayed as being. Acts were damn lucky to have someone as driven, enthusiastic and knowledgeable as him steering the ship.

As for his late blip with regards Michael Bublé... well, nobody's perfect.

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Patrick Crowther | 23 October 2010 - 10:25am

Thank You

Not just a podcast, an historical document. Superb.

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James EB | 24 October 2010 - 3:52am

What he said

Reminded me of the kind soul who pointed me to a bargain Elektra singles compilation a few months ago, thanks again Seamus:

http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/judy-collins-all-acoustic-who-know...

and thanks to Lucas for pointing out the BBC4 doc on Elektra.

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SpaceBoy | 24 October 2010 - 8:07am

Speaking of Elektra samplers

Good Time Music was the first rock sampler LP of any kind I can remember. It dates from 1967 and so pre-dates the famous CBS LP The Rock Machine Turns You On, which is often cited as the first UK rock sampler.

There are a couple of strange things about this album:

Firstly the sleeve design and title are very different to the US version, which was called What's Shakin'

Secondly, it not only contains the Lovin' Spoonful demo tracks Jac mentioned in the interview, but it also features 3 otherwise-unavailable Joe Boyd-produced recordings by Eric Clapton & the Powerhouse dating from 1966. This was a band consisting of Clapton, Jack Bruce (then with Manfred Mann), Paul Jones, Steve Winwood and Pete York (from Spencer Davis Group).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton's_Powerhouse

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mojoworking | 24 October 2010 - 8:42am

Here's Clapton's Powerhouse...

..doing "Crossroads" with Winwood on vocals. Cream would, of course revisit this later on "Wheels Of Fire,Live At The Fillmore" but this version is a little less busy.

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shane pacey | 24 October 2010 - 1:19pm

Thanks for posting that...

...and not a guitar solo in sight.

Who would have guessed from that recording that this song would loom so large in Clapton's life for the next 40-odd years?

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mojoworking | 24 October 2010 - 1:32pm

I'm glad people liked this....

....but I don't claim any credit. I just sit there with the recorder and direct the traffic if called for. I know there's any amount of things and people you could ask somebody like Jac about but we're trying to end up with a coherent 40 minutes that might make sense to the casual listener rather than a research project that fills in lots of holes. If you want to know more, read the excellent book.

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David Hepworth | 24 October 2010 - 8:48pm

Possibly the best podcast...

... yet. Fascinating stuff.

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Billybob Dylan | 27 October 2010 - 2:42pm

Coupled with the BBC4 doc

mentioned above my admiration for Jac is huge---I hadn't realised quite how much my record collection owed to this one man's taste and vision.

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SpaceBoy | 27 October 2010 - 4:43pm

Podcast audio quality

Given Jac's propensity to record quality, why was this podcast so poorly recorded? Jac was very hard to hear and the compression was horrible. Stuck with it despite having to have volume cranked up to eleven (making the mid podcast jingles a bit of a shock!), as he was fascinating and will definitely research further. What a splendid example of an 80 year old, doesn't look or sound anywhere near it, obviously preserved in fine music.

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leightonsmog | 16 June 2011 - 9:52am

Quality

It wasn't poorly recorded - it was a completely corrupt file we just managed to rescue.

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Fraser Lewry | 16 June 2011 - 9:57am
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