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Stacey Solomon and Danyl Johnson X Factor
Posted by Iainso on 10 October 2009 - 9:18pm.
Am I allowed to talk about this here?
The above mentioned acts are genuinely talented, stunning singers. Finally, really excellent singers, giving it loads.
Any opinions?
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I thought
they were the best things on the show tonight as well. Thought Jamie Archer was pretty good too. In fairness, those two Irish buffoons aside (three if you count Louis Walsh), the standard throughout on the first show this year was much higher than in previous years.
Agreed
Though, even they weren't as bad as some of the nonsense served up in the last few years. X Factor gets serious? Surely not!
Who is X Factor Band
pls?
Do You Mean..
...who's playin the guitar/ piano etc? I have no idea.
MERRY XMAS MR MCKINNEY
I guess that you'll be able to buy their single( probably Ben, the old Michael Jackson number, this year) and get it to number one for Christmas.
X Factor / Opportunity Knocks
nothing has changed has it really. They will have their moment and fade away. Don't know why I thought of this but it's just weird to see now.
I think
Lucy's the one
I only caught the end of it
and the bit with Danni Minogue making 'nudge nudge' comments about the guy's sexuaiity was pretty uncomfortable.
Even the usually screaming crowd went deathly quiet. I was expecting a Shooting Stars tumbleweed to start rolling past
Oh and the twins are a practical joke, right?
Stacy
is an absolute joy.
I'm sending
the Jesuits round to see you, Eddie. You must be cleansed of the perfidious entity lurking within your otherwise unblemished soul.
Other than that, can't wait for the new Lips album, can you ?
Jesuits eh?
I'll just pretend I'm not in. Like I always do.
But...
...is it *music*?
I don't
consider it music. It's just entertaining telly. If you start thinking of it as music you'd go mad.
Here is my problem
Simon Cowell and his band of judges believe that Mariah Carey at al represent everything that is good about music. In my opinion they represent everything that is bad about it.
Those inserts with Robbie Williams offering "advice" were cringeworthy and if they were the highlights I dread to think what the rest of the 1-1 was like. And of course everyone is contractually bound to say that he is a legend and their hero. I can't for a minute believe that the guy with the afro gives a flying feck about him.
I agree
I thought Stacey was excellent.
Who do we think will go tonight? Hopefully the Irish guy who did the Amy Winehouse song. He was lamentably poor.
I wonder if there will be a minute's silence for Stephen Gately.
How can some people say that it isn't music?
I'm not defending the entire 'reality TV music' genre, but please tell me what the difference is between a young girl like Stacey on X Factor - who most of us who've seen and heard her recognise has a pretty good voice - and some of the young 60s artists who all used to cover the same songs.
I know that X Factor/Pop Idol has done things to the music business that many of us don't like/agree with, but it does enable 'some' people who have genuine talent (even if that talent is singing) to get a foothold in the music business.
I've listened to enough Brian Matthew on a Saturday morning to know that everyone covered everyone else in the 60s, so what's the difference with now, aside from the TV development?
Even Aretha Franklin's career stalled early on through motherhood (Stacey also has a young girl) and some of her early hits were cover versions.
Learning how to play an instrument isn't possible for many young people, so singing is the only thing they know.
Mind you, the evil Irish twins are the spawn of Satan!
Well, it is
music, of course it is, but it isn't all music, as in, X Factor is not to be confused with the music business.
Why on earth not?
The X Factor is the purest expression of the music business.
When you go to see a major Hollywood film, or buy a new car, the product has been fed through innumerable focus groups to ensure that what actually gets released will appeal to as many punters as possible and will, consequently, make as much MONEY as possible.
X-Factor is merely a series of socking great focus groups.
Trust me, once you sign up to a recording deal, a production deal and/or a management deal; you're in the business and are then no different to anyone on X-Factor.
The music business is a simple transaction - you give me money, I entertain you. This applies equally to Leona Lewis, Richard Thompson, U2 and the bunch of chancers you paid a fiver to see in the pub last night.
If there's anyone out there who thinks the music business is anything more idealistic, altruistic or even artistic than that then I'm afraid you need to wake up and smell the coffee.
Those focus groups
aren't doing a very good job then, are they? It's the most popular show on telly, yet year after year the winners -- with the nobel exception of Leona, of course -- fail to make much impression on the charts. If only the winners could convert the viewing figures into CD-buying figures? But they can't, because it's not about music, it's about telly -- which is the realisation that hits them round about the time the debut album fails to chart and SyCo stop returning their calls.
TV Talent shows have never
really had a massive success rate, though.
For all the Victoria Wood and Lenny Henry's of this world, there was some real dross in the old days that 'won' only to fade into oblivion.
More recently, Girls Aloud have done pretty well, the last time I checked.
Will Young's fairly well established, too. Even Lemar came out of a TV talent show.
OK, so we'll quietly forget David Sneddon, Michelle McManus and Steve Brookstein!
Exactly... The music business is a business like any other
If an act doesn't make money, they get dropped. If any of the contestants in X-Factor think otherwise, then they're in for a nasty shock.
This, however, is no different to the music business outside of X-Factor.
Even in the halcyon days of the 70s when record companies were willing to indulge 'album artists' for a series of low-selling albums; they were doing this in the expectation of big bucks later.
Which
cleanly contradicts your 'great focus group' point of earlier.
But, look, if you want to think X Factor is music, you go right ahead. I guess someone has to. I'll just keep on watching X Factor as TV, while enjoying the music that I do, and knowing that the two are completely different things.
Oh, and good luck finding that Captain Beefheart album in Tescos.
Captain Beefheart?
Dreadful noise, wouldn't want to buy it anyway!
...and I wouldn't be seen dead in Tesco thank you very much. Only got a Waitrose and an M&S Simply Food in Monmouth :-)
Don't forget Lidls,
Don't forget Lidls, Somerfield and the new Iceland that opened a month ago.
I am a big John & Edward fan
They are proper pop stars. I want one of their jackets and am thinking about restyling my hair in tribute to them.
And its lovely to see the twinkle in Louis's eyes when they perform.
Brilliant.
what he said
because if there is a band wagon I want to join it SECOND.
Stacey
She's great and she's going to win.
Danni's and Cheryl's comments about Danyl were ungracious and uncalled for. They should apologize.
What did Cheryl say?
Unless I'm missing something.....
Danni should be ashamed of herself. No other way of putting it. That was clearly pre-planned.
Cheryl
..said something to the effect he was too cocky and arrogant and he hadn't won it yet. I saw nothing in his behaviour this week to suggest either.
Well.....
thats nothing that Cheryl should apologise for. The original poster classed that with Danni's comments, which is obviously wrong.
I think she showed a good bit of TV instinct to just get the disscussion back onto his singing and performance.
Danni's remark
I thought that was as offensive as Anton Du Bec's stupidity. I can quite imagine Danyl had probably not come out in his school, maybe not even to his parents/grandma etc. Although it had been in the press, for her to highlight it to the many (like me) who hadn't seen anything about it, was shockingly uncalled for, offensive, cheap and irrelevant.
I agree with people above, the quality is higher. My tip is the young Geordie lad or Lucie.
Damn you ITV and your financial problems - bloody nightmare getting nippers into bed on a Sunday night...
Danyl was mouthing
"I'm not ashamed" I believe after Minogue made her shrill, catty and deeply silly remarks.
Full credit to him for the dignity he demonstrated in the episode.
I know everyone has Cowell as Machiavellian to the power of 10 - but I think his dressing down of Monogue and his rebuttal of the others' damning remarks about Danyl's performance - was genuine and exactly right.
They should end it now
Then the three time losers, pub singers, Gang Show stars & pole dancers can all go back to their day jobs and Stacey Solomon can become the next Cilla. She is a total joy.
Somebody cleverer than me said it best
i.e. that all these more recent talent shows are really, really compelling ways of finding really, really dull artists.
The talent show has been a mainstay of TV since it began (and on radio before that, and in the theatres even before radio) because in the end, nothing beats seeing someone's dreams coming true (or being crushed underfoot) before your very eyes. The stakes (the fabled "million pound record deal," whatever that means) may be higher, but it's still appealing to the same part of the brain.
And there's nothing to inherently suggest that these kinds of shows can't produce a good/"credible" artist, though admittedly the odds are against it, mostly because they tend to deify the Mariah/Xtina/Robbie/Britney school of pop star...
But yes, as long as the Essex Girl thing doesn't get too old too soon, the fabulous Stacey's got it in the bag...
x factor
i hope danni m is as challenging the next time she plays g.a.y, it was uncalled for. here here for johnathon and edward, they're like john lydon for this generation and a sterling example of how the young folk should be about their music-if i bothered i'd vote for them-top class entertainers at least as good as fat bob