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Posted by milkybarnick on 12 February 2011 - 8:53pm.
I'm not a Man United fan, and my opinion of Wayne Rooney has dipped over the last year, but that is a bit special.
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One swallow does not a summer make
Yes, a great goal.
*insert irrational invective* Still hate Rooney though. And by no stretch of any right minded person's opinion could he be called a great player.
Must remind myself..
.. to get booked in for a MRI scan.
World class - no. It's a term too frequently banded about. Can only think of 2 definite "world class" footballers playing now - Messi & Ronaldo
But a great player - you bet.
I agree he's had a diabolical year - he's not playing anywhere near the heights he's previously got to. However much you hate him - I really fail to see how anyone can say he's an ordinary footballer. But then again, everyone you speak to in the professional game says he crap too - don't they? - and whadda they know...
As an aside - he ought to hang his head with shame over the transfer sham.
in reference to Bobby Fischer
Martin Amis once said that genius can ally itself to the most paltry of human material.
I bet he can't
put a Fruit Pastille in his mouth without chewing it.
Quality
Not a United fan, but the technique is marvellous. He has all the attrributes to be one of the best. Too much too young will be the ruination of him and no doubt many others.
About time
For the amount he gets paid he should do it every week.
Duncan White in the Telegraph
"Rooney appeared to hang in the air, reclining on an Old Trafford fresco."
He's always been a better
instinctive player. For that second he was 13 years old again and in his local park. Just don't let him think about what he's doing and he is and always has been a great player. Remember the volley against Newcastle? Instinct.
Amazing how Rooney's actions of a few months ago
have been completely forgotten by the old Trafford faithful. I wonder what you have to do to NOT be forgiven by supporters?
Sign for Man City
Well that's what he (or his agent)
was threatening, wasn't it?
As a match-going supporter
I can tell you that his actions have not been 'completely forgotten'. However, he continues to represent the club, and after he has been through such a torrid period (self-inflicted or not) and scores a goal like that, what would you have us do - jeer him? Chant "Judas" instead of "Rooney"?
I await with interest all the snidey comments about Fabregas and others who have conducted themselves in a similar vein to Rooney.
Fabregas
Fabregas is a Catalan who unsurprisingly would like to play for Barcelona, but nevertheless has behaved in a dignified way. If he goes this summer then the Arsenal fans will be sad but will still respect him. I fail to see how that is behaving in a 'similar vein' to Rooney touting himself around to the highest bidder. If he had gone, how much respect do you think the United fans would have held him in?
There really is no comparison between the two.
don't worry Rooney is not going to move
the world cup showed what happens when he's not in easy reach of his prefered brand of chicken nuggets. A week away from his usual golf course and bookies and his game went total to pot. Forgetting to pack his copy of fifa football from the Xbox really saw his form collapse him spending most of the matches mourning the loss of all his high score data adding to his woes that and the tv channels in south africa being in a funny order was the last straw.
Did Rooney
'tout himself around'? Don't recall that. Sure, he acted like an arse, but I don't recall any serious negotiations with other clubs, outside of the feverish tabloid speculation.
Re: Fabregas - he was hankering after a move to Barcelona for most of the summer, which at the time seriously destabilised the start of Arsenal's season. Fair do's, when the move didn't happen he knuckled down, but don't pretend that he is somehow morally superior to any other player who pursues their own interests.
Can't stand either team...
But there is a world of difference between a player who has been loyal for years wishing to fulfill a dream of playing for a certain club and another player who was happy to cause uncertainty and discord to ensure that HIS dream of a much bigger paypacket came true.
Fabregas
Arsenal season ticket holder here.
If (please god) and when Cesc opts to go home the vast majority of gooners will wish him well. The lad has been top quality for us, has made it clear from day one that he would want to go to Barca at some point and, frankly, has earned the right to do so (assuming wenger signs off on it and Barcelona pay the going rate).
His behaviour this summer was bang on. He quietly informed the manager he wanted to leave and then refused to speak publicly about it and made it clear at all times that he wanted the club respected. Even in the infamous clip of him having a Barca shirt thrown over his head he whips it off in seconds and looks suitably embarassed about it.
Did he want to go? Yes. And that's his right. Did he behave badly or disrespect Arsenal? Absolutely not (at worst, he tolerated some disrespectful behaviour from certain of his Spanish team mates). Most importantly of all, when he didn't get his way did he buckle down and crack on? Absolutely - and massive respect for that. To say he destabilised our early season form is nonsense - we started well, wobbled in Nov (as usual) and then got our players back fit and started to do the biz.
To compare him to Rooney is simply laughable. Did he sulk his way through a national tournament and insult his own fans on live TV? Did he cheat on his pregnant missus? Did he come out publicly demanding to leave, question the clubs direction and squad and openly flirt with our local rivals? Did he use the incident to more or less double his wages? Even after said wage doubling, did he need a little holiday to get his head right, come back and still continue to mope around the pitch? No in all cases.
Rooney is arguably the single biggest disgrace in the game (certainly over the last few months). Cesc is no saint but by comparison he's a paragon of virtue.
I don't blame Utd fans for cheering Rooney - he's one of their players and lord knows I've previously cheered the likes of adebayor myself - but let's not pretend he's better than he is, eh?
Hughes-esque,
wasn't it? He used to manage those overhead kicks on a regular basis.
Jumpers for goalposts
True - Hughes used to score a lot of playground goals - the sort you'd try at playtime the next day, only on concrete and with the restricted movement of a Parka Snorkel coat.
Schoolchildren
Braver than footballers.
More mature
in the main as well.
When I used to frequent Old Trafford in the 80's..
..we used to look in the programme to see if we could find a pic of Sparky taking a shot with one foot on the ground. There was the occasional one, but he was never vertical.
Can't stand the man.
Can't stand the club. But that was superb.
pure genius
I'm a City fan
and as much as I am gutted about the result yesterday, there's no shame in losing to a goal like that. He still looks like a potato though.
I know potatos
who would feel miffed at that comment!
The Hat
I do not know how much Mr Rooney was paid to put on the red had he on his bonce for the BBC interview. However they must have been rolling on the floor with mirth in the dressing room. They certainly were in our ale house. It really brightened a Saturday night. Perhaps he wore it for a dare.
An ....
.... Ugly potato at that
Why are you all so reasonable?
Hate to be negative yet again but it is 2011 after all.
It's not as if it's 1966.
Rooney.
Attitude.
Lying about David Moyes.
World Cup.
England.
Ring any bells?
If you can try and see 'Sunday Supplement' this morning, it's a cracker!
Henry ('England have at least 10 World Class players') Winter et al are calling it the greatest goal of all time yadda, yadda, yadda and all are positively creaming their pants.
Four things:
1.The most amount of publicity for the minimum amount of skill/effort has always been the overhead kick.
TV pundits (and the general public) always find them spectacular (see also shots from the half-way line) and it is something that Winter et al can easily digest and understand and over-hype.
2. Man. Utd. 'had' won the league in August, so exactly how vital is this goal? Man. City have one once at Old Trafford in about 400 years.
3. England under Rooney have always been, and will always be, second rate (how 'World Class' was he in Germany, South Africa and did you see that 'finish' in the fourth minute v Denmark?).
Also, note they are all at AWAY venues where Rooney rarely raises a whimper.
4. Trevor Sinclair's overhead kick PISSES all over it.
But, hey.....England's dreaming, so well done potato head.
But please, please assure me that I get the opportunity to say 'I told you so' at the next international tournament (IF England even qualify).
That's surely only fair and it will be a giggle.
So...
Not a good goal then?
Seen better
The guy's 'shit' for your country and suggests he has contempt for the supporters on camera.
Still be waxing lyrical about it if it was by Wigan Athletic player?
Would you even have heard about it?
My country?
I'm from New Zealand.
As for waxing lyrical, I'm merely judging the goal on its own merits, as I fail to see that either his international record or his feelings regarding the supporters are relevant when judging an individual piece of skill. And given that the best goal I've ever seen was scored for Brighton against Brentford, I suspect that, yes, I'd be just as delighted by a similar Wigan goal.
Specifically point 2
Sorry to be an arse - but I think you'll find that Chelsea were nailed on by all media parties to be the title winners this year in August.
Personally - I don't think it's all over at all. Still plenty football to play.
Trevor Sinclair
Far superior
Breathtaking goal
is absolutely right. Why do so many other commentators and pundits have to go overboard by describing something as the best ever. How do they know?
And both of these (in the same match) are better than Rooney's as well.
Oh happy days,
you could also pick a few of Lorimer's volleys and how about this one from Tony Yeboah - a bit special even if it was David James in goal.
And Snoddy's
goal on Saturday was better than Rooney's.
Oooh......I was at the game.....
Upper Loft - couldn't stop jabbering about it on the train home to complete strangers.
Never got the credit it deserved as it was in the same season young Beckham fluked his one from the halfway line.
Rooney shinned it btw.
Sinclair's goal was against Barnsley
And was therefore rubbish.
This is what you call a goal.
it was alright
but if he'd been outside the area......
'England under Rooney'?
No pressure on the boy then. I was under the impression that ten other players were also in the team. And that a manager was also involved somewhere. How silly of me.
Sunday Supplement
Oh, I'm just listening to Sunday Supplement podcast now and you are spot on, ranger. Hyperbole doesn't come close as a description.
Paraphrase: "One of those goals where we will always remember the date and where we were."
Actually, I very much doubt I will, decent goal or no.
Hellova lorra luck with overhead kicks
Could easily have gone in to row Z. Certainly a well-taken 'shinner' though. :-) Nani's goal was also very very good yesterday, and so was Van Persie's second: one touch football at its very best.
Best shinner since this one
To mvps....Chelsea 'nailed
To mvps....Chelsea 'nailed on'?
Man. Utd. for me....said it in August.
Shows what mugs the media (and, logically, the public) are.
Check out the winner of the last 15 titles.
How many have won three on the spin?
How many have the Russian robber's (good looking guy, by the way) team won compared to Man. Utd.?
Want more of a competition?
Watch the boat race.
To spoof a headline you'll never hear on the back of a TABLOID, about the TABLOID Rooney for the TABLOID Man.U./English 'fans':
'ROO WERE COMPLETED MUGGED IN 2006.'
'ROO WERE COMPLETED MUGGED IN 2008,
HEY, ROO DIDN'T 'EVEN' QUALIFY.'
'ROO WERE COMPLETED MUGGED IN 2010.'
'ROO WILL BE COMPLETED MUGGED IN 2012/2014/2016....'
When will ROO choose when to end this Beckham-esque sequence.
What don't ROO understand?
England?
ROO are a laughing stock.
Ranger
I really admire your enthusiasm and knowledge for and of football but I have to remind you that only 20 odd players from you know when in the history of English football have had success. For you to assume that Rooney and Beckham are the sole reason for this lets an awful lot of other players off the hook. We could argue forever about the reasons and never agree but to dismiss Beckham and Rooney as ordinary really undermines your obvious passion and understanding of the game. Keep posting because I genuinely enjoy your contributions to the football threads but I think you are missing the mark on this one, almost as much as Chris Waddles Italia '90 penalty, now THAT was something to be angry about......
Chris Waddle penalty at italia 90
Remember it well, its easy with 20+ years of hindsight, but look at his body language, he really didnt fancy it did he ?
twat.
Pelenty
The Waddle Rule: Don't let a man take a penalty if he can't even pronounce the word penalty.
A great goal
but you can't call it the greatest goal ever. Apparently he scored a better version of it when playing for De La Salle school as a kid (although the opponents were possibly of a lesser standard than City)
but then there's any of the below
Rooney
More wasted energy spent talking about this fella. He must take up more than his shair of blame for global warming.
Decent goal but hardly the best, even for this season. United would have been better off shifting him when they had the chance.
Better goals I have personally seen.
Simon Stainrod QPR v Cardiff, November 1981
Tony Currie QPR v Fulham September 1979
Clive Allen West Ham v QPR March 1984
Roy Wegerle Leeds v QPR October 1990
John Byrne QPR v Chelsea March 1986
Stan Bowles Cambridge v QPR November 1979
and so on.
As someone present at all of those games........
Allen's one at West Ham and Wegerle's one at Leeds are the only two really, really "worldy's".
What about Sansom's one v the Arse in the Cup Replay (and the move leading up to the almighty howitzer in the pissing rain) and Michael Robinson's lob over Niedzwecki at the Bridge in the mud?
Great great goals!
Yep
they were great goals, and enthusiastically celebrated at the time.
As well as Robinson's goal from the half way line, a few weeks later we played at the Bridge again in the league. Steve Wicks took out Eddie Nidezwizie completely and Chelsea put David Speedie in goal, David Speedie! Dwarves look down on him. Needless to say David Kerslake chipped him from just outside th box. Speedie just looked at it sailing over his head with a consigned shrug. Very funny.
Less funny, Oxford's travesty of a goal in a 4-1 defeat in 1998......
I went to see
Spurs win at the Stadium of Light on Saturday.
For me Kranjcar scored "the best goal of the day".
If I thought it mattered I could argue the toss all day about why this was a better goal than Rooney's.
Surely everyone knows....
This is the best goal ever scored in the premiership.
He may be a facist but he could certainly strike a ball...
Rooney'd give his left knacker
To be able to strike a football like this..
Le God.
Now he...
was a bit special.
To this armchair dilettante
Matt Le Tissier is one of the greatest footballers ever to walk the earth. Effortless brilliance, one club man, never seemed to be trying too hard, yet somehow always seemed to give everything for that one team he never wanted to leave. A bloody legend, who should have had far more international recognition.
Not just you
Xavi Hernandez of Barcelona was complimentary about Le Tiss in a recent Guardian interview. He was even more complimentary about Paul Scholes.
The thing I admire about Le Tissier is that he was never one of life's strivers. Not for him the relentless pursuit of fortune and glory. He just wanted to enjoy his football and turn out for the Saints.
"yet somehow always seemed to give everything for that one team"
Ooh.. I don't know. I used to watch him huff and strop his way round the pitch at The Dell. If he wasn't in the mood, he'd do absolutely bugger-all. And then, unnoticed, amble up to the edge of the area and spank in a snorter from 25 yards and everyone would forgive him.
I have to be honest
He never really did much for me...
He did more...
than most to save them from relegation though, didn't he?
It's
99% luck, 1% skill for overhead kicks
90% luck, 10% skill for free kicks.
I'll pop my calculator back in the draw.
Matty Le God
He made it look simple (& fun) didnt he ?
Wonderful player.
Now that thread has run its course,
Rooney's goal was a bit special, even with Man City defence totally awol, though we could do without the ridiculous hype. I seem to remember Hughes doing this sort of thing pretty regularly, in the pre-Premiership days though so probably doesn't count. Not that I have anything against Man U, but I thought Van Persie's 2nd on Saturday was pretty damn good as well.
"A bit special?
You're 'avin larf intcha? He should be scoring goals like that every game the amount of money he's paid to kick a ball. He's not fit to tie the bootlaces of Bobby Charlton or Denis Law. Now there are two players who knew about loyalty and respect for club and country. Not like these pampered poodles these days. I 'ad that Jamie Redknapp in the back of my cab the other day. He knew how to smash 'em in n'all, on and off the pitch...hur hur"
(and so on until dribble forms from left side of mouth)
Yup, though
some charity please...all those Nike adverts, shopping sprees and his work for the elderly. It takes it out of him, poor lad.