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Fergus Higginson's picture

Be honest now. Does anyone watch & enjoy X Factor - purely as complete entertainment? (In a similar way to Strictly Come Dancing???)

I have a dusty DVD of 'The Last Waltz' on the shelf and have never managed to get through the whole thing (I always lose the will when Joni Mitchell comes on stage). However could gladly sit through weeks of Cowell, Walsh, Cole & Minogue.

Hoping that I'm not setting myself up for a mountain of abuse.

Gulp.

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People can enjoy whatever they like...

but as far as I'm concerned, Simon Cowell is a evil demon who has succeeded in dulling the minds of a generation, convincing millions that over-egged R&B wailing is how one should sing. I thought I would only have had to endure his ever so punchable face on my TV screen for a year or two, but he is hanging on in there like a particularly virulent and adaptable virus...

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Patrick Crowther | 6 October 2008 - 7:37pm

A subeditor writes

In your second para, you appear to have inadvertently missed out the words "to live" between "the will" and "when Joni Mitchell comes on".

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Archie Valparaiso | 6 October 2008 - 7:38pm

And I missed out an 'n'...

after the 'a' of 'a evil demon'.

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Patrick Crowther | 6 October 2008 - 7:41pm

Cheers!

I'm thinking that by policing the grammar/spelling/punctuation on the web you might be onto a non-starter. But thanks for the feedback.

I was in the remedial GCSE English set at school for precisely this kind of behaviour...and for talking through class.

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Fergus Higginson | 6 October 2008 - 8:23pm

Cheers!

I'm thinking that by policing the grammar/spelling/punctuation on the web you might be onto a non-starter. But thanks for the feedback.

I was in the remedial GCSE English set at school for precisely this kind of behaviour...and for talking through class.

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Fergus Higginson | 6 October 2008 - 8:23pm

Not for

repetition then? Sorry, couldn't resist

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Paul Holmes | 6 October 2008 - 9:57pm

You could

have a daemon too...

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Paul Holmes | 6 October 2008 - 9:56pm

Cripes

Another sub? Just how many of us are lurking here? And how many are currently, ahem, working? Perhaps we shouldall out oursens

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Paul Holmes | 6 October 2008 - 9:56pm

I'm not a sub

but shouldn't you have a space between should and all?

Ah just read the last bit. You got me.

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Leedsboy | 6 October 2008 - 10:20pm

I sincerely hope Giles Coren

isn't a member of The Word Massive...

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Retro Man | 7 October 2008 - 9:52am

Thanks

Usual forfeit in Stella....

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Paul Holmes | 9 October 2008 - 3:29pm

Maybe you should persevere a tad longer with the last waltz

because when Van the Man appears in his Elvis jumpsuit and karate-kicks his way through Caravan that will to live will most surely reappear. Otherwise, if you still prefer X Factor...well, you're a lost cause.

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Mr Fade | 6 October 2008 - 8:28pm

Van's 'fat Elvis' performance

...is one of the highlights of all of filmed rock (and indeed, filmed roll)

The album of The Last Waltz includes a staggering version of Tura-Lura-Lura - the apocryphal tale was that Van was late on stage (due to the jumpsuit/weight issues) and Richard Manuel started the vocal. After his comparatively smooth first verse, Van's opening shout as he walks on stage is truly a sound to behold

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stimpy | 10 October 2008 - 5:29pm

Can't stand X-Factor...

.... don't mind Strictly (the wife loves it).

Love my Joni Mitchell.

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Nicodemus | 6 October 2008 - 9:21pm

Music industry blah blah blah

Is there any difference in the record-industry cynicism (Apologies if not correct Patrick) between Simon Cowell and Columbia on the release of the new Bob Dylan Bootleg Series Release? - How much for the 3 CD version???

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Fergus Higginson | 6 October 2008 - 9:23pm

Simon Cowell is alright by me.

Will probably never buy anything that he's had anything to do with but I think he is probably the most straight forward person on the box. He works in the music business. Its not art, its business. He appreciates hard work and effort and will pick based upon how many it will sell and how good the long term prospects are. I respect his honesty.

The other three judges are complete tossers though.

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Leedsboy | 6 October 2008 - 9:37pm

Demo tapes

I agree with your assessment of Cowell. What I'd like to know is what is the difference between bands sending in their demo tapes to record company A&R men and people auditioning for Simon Cowell? Apart from one not being televised. The process is much the same.

I am surprised there hasn't been a band equivalent of X Factor actually. Categories: rock, indie, dance, hip hop. You'd get a lot bands 'too cred for X Factor' turning up.

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kb | 7 October 2008 - 10:09am

I confess

I watch it. Feel pretty much the same way as Leedsboy about Cowell.

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Simon Ford | 6 October 2008 - 9:40pm

Mountain of abuse as expected

Can't be arsed to be more specific - you can fill in the details yourself.

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adze thuggery | 6 October 2008 - 9:55pm

?

Given the options available these days (on-air, Sky +, DVD) why would anyone ever watch something on TV that they don't like? I don't want to watch Simon Cowell, so I don't. If you do want to, ok, off you go.

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Giuffre | 7 October 2008 - 12:16am

That isn't the point for me...

I object to the fact that he's on TV whether I watch his programmes or not. I object to the fact that when I came back from Italy last year, the first thing I saw as I stepped out of Waterloo station was his rictus grin on a billboard.

The very idea of Cowell makes me come out in hives.

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Patrick Crowther | 7 October 2008 - 9:48am

Yeah well

we know its supposed to be "entertainment" or "Trash Tv",but the thing I dislike about him, regardless of how "honest" he is, is the fact that he has set himself up as a man of real taste and understanding of music. I can't sit and enjoy it because of this and the fact that it has lead to the horrible style of over- reaching warbling that passes for soul singing on this show. Anyway I guess we shouldn't get bent out of shape about it because it is what it's meant to be: a crap show aimed at the kids, soccer mums and their grannies. Bring back Hughie Green I say, at least he had that wonderful sickening level of smarminess that easily outweighed Simon's boring frankness for entertainment value.

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Bingham | 7 October 2008 - 6:00pm

I do

I enjoy it on different levels. First I admit to enjoying the 'Bedlam' aspect of watching the deluded trying to impress in the auditions. Then I watch it as something for the whole family to enjoy together.

But also I do like the genuine point of the show where we watch a hopeful young amateur becoming a star. In this series there are two young women (in Mrs Cashley's team) who look very promising.

Yes I despise the songs and, especially, the arrangements where everyone is groomed to be Mariah Carey, but overall good TV.

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kb | 7 October 2008 - 10:01am

Guilty pleasure...

I spend most of the time moaning and grumbling at the TV when it's on - mainly about the ridiculous amount of blubbing and cheesy background music - the forced tugging of heartstrings and using people's personal tragedies for emotional effect.

We've discussed this on other threads and it is so crass - I'd love to see someone just say "you know what, I'm really happy - great to get this far, really enjoying living it up in Cannes for a week - if I don't get through, that's life I'll just go back stacking shelves in Tescos - great!"
Instead you get endless blubbing and wailing - and that's just from the guys!

However, I do watch it if I'm in and I think Simon Cowell knows his stuff, he generally gets it right.
His comments are of course sometimes a bit harsh but honest and he seems to have a real enthusiasm for those he believes have the talent.
Don't forget he's working in the manufactured pop world where image and maleability is high on the agenda, he's not Alan McGee.

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Retro Man | 7 October 2008 - 12:00pm

Take it or leave it

but the auditions are hilarious when you see the no-hopers turning up and making arses of themselves. Why?

My gripe is the timing of it so every year we can now predict the winner will get the Christmas number one. Takes all the fun out of guessing who will have the coveted spot; a cheesy ballad, a novelty song or Cliff (what's the difference - Ed.)

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Beany | 7 October 2008 - 11:49am
Crowdedmouse | 7 October 2008 - 12:11pm

I don't mind Cowell

and as stated above it is good family entertainment, good trash tv. I don't find Cowell offensive, in fact it's nice to see someone on tv who says what he thinks.

The one thing I do find offensive is that the kids on it do seem to think this is their only chance in life and if it is a no then their life is going to end. Unfortunately, for obvious reasons the programme does everything to try and perpetuate this myth, which is clearly wrong.

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Simon Ford | 7 October 2008 - 1:36pm

I'm seriously

thinking of auditioning next year. If only to sing a Jonathan Richman number.

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eddie g | 7 October 2008 - 2:03pm

Yeah sure...

nothing to do with meeting Dannii then?

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Beany | 7 October 2008 - 2:40pm

'Hi Dannii

this one's called Dodge Veg-o-Matic'.

Who knows? We might just click.

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eddie g | 7 October 2008 - 4:51pm

Steady now

She might just be a lurker on here. I have my suspicions (nudge nudge)

Fraser Lewry? Lewey? Louis? Louis Walsh! A-HA!

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Beany | 7 October 2008 - 10:42pm

Culture of humiliation aside

I do enjoy it, and the forthcoming live shows are my favourite bit.

Next year, there can't possibly be anymore Dannii Minogue. Cheryl Cole is much better. What can Dannii possibly add? Where's her talent? They only got her to get closer to Kylie. At least Cheryl's been through the whole process herself.

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Five-Centres | 8 October 2008 - 12:25pm

No one in our house likes Dannii

Sour faced cow I think hit the nail on the head.

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Leedsboy | 8 October 2008 - 12:51pm

Dannii

She said to Suzie "you're stunning looking, you've got a great voice and you're very charismatic, you're not going through" Jealousy perhaps?

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Simon Ford | 9 October 2008 - 4:39pm

Seeing people's dreams made (and crushed) before your very eyes

... has been a staple of light entertainment TV since its invention, and that's fundamentally why I watch it, even though I'm no more likely to buy a record by any of the contestants as the man in the moon, and I believe even Simon Cowell is on record as saying that he wouldn't listen to hardly any of the records he's been responsible for...

Mind you, I could do without:
1) The early "Freak Show" rounds - I know everyone's volunteered to appear, but I find much of this stage of the show cruel and unnecessarily exploitative,
2) The artificial "rivalry" between the judges
3) The endless flogging of sob-stories (single-mums "doing it for my baby", ex-drug addicts, dead parents etc.)
4) And yes, the crap music.

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Metal Mickey | 8 October 2008 - 1:56pm

Used to watch it, don't any more.

Popstars and X-Factor were fun to watch at first but only as entertainment telly. They had drama and thrills and unlike The Wire and The Sopranos if you missed an episode you weren't up the creek. Familiarity breeds contempt though, and the sheer repetition of the same old sob stories, the same old put downs and the same old parade of wide eyed enthusiastic nonentities can wear a viewer down.

Turning point for me was when Michelle McManus won Popstars. Plainly voted the winner by an elderly audience who thought it was brave of a nice lassie to take on a shower of skinny minnies, none of them were ever going to buy her music afterwards. Ditto Steve Brookstein, looked like a wannabe flash bloke who'd show a divorcee out on the lash a good time if she was experiencing a moment of weakness, never looked like a star ever.

When the drama got repetitive and cruel and ultimately boring the show took a dive amongst wannabe intellectual smart arses like myself. It can't be long though till everyone else gets bored though. It's the only explanation I can offer for Britain's Got Talent, telly companies know that this show cant last much longer...

I also watched the first three series of Big Brother obsessively. I am not proud of this at all.

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ganglesprocket | 9 October 2008 - 11:29am

My opinion of Simon Cowell

My opinion of Simon Cowell has been raised by his annual attendance at our local RSPCA dog show in Brighton where he is a judge. He takes time to speak to all the owners (and as the competition is open to everyone with a scruffy mutt, there's a lot of them), is pleasent to anyone who approaches him and doesn't just bugger off after five minutes but hangs around all afternoon. Blows his Mr Nasty image right out of the water. He's still got terrible taste in music though.

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Andy Lynes | 9 October 2008 - 3:16pm

Man. Dog. Brighton

Hmm.

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Archie Valparaiso | 9 October 2008 - 3:20pm

That's because

he once appeared as Wonderdog. Fact.

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Beany | 9 October 2008 - 3:52pm

I actually auditioned for

I actually auditioned for the first Pop Idol (Cowell's first TV outing) back when I was a naive 20 year old. I got through to the second round on the strength of Pete Waterman's love for my 'offbeat' vocals... As it was a new thing I had no idea what the show would consist of. I soon learned that it is absolutely not about music - it is about making good TV. The reason so many X Factor contestants descend into snivelling messes is because they have been kept in a holding room without water or refreshments for seven hours with the occasional producer coming in telling them to 'big it up' and 'show some love'.

Funny thing about all of that is that everyone at my auditions seemed to think that Nikki Chapman (remember her!) was the badass and Simon Cowell was quite nice to most people. I wonder what pushed him over the edge....

I don't regret my foray into the world of reality television and I do still watch it now - but my musical ambitions are far more respectable these days!

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neonjo | 10 October 2008 - 12:36pm

Good to hear...

... from an insider.

Cheers.

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Nicodemus | 10 October 2008 - 3:38pm

It's even reached the local press...

... here in Hartlepool, as one of the girls in 'Bad Lashes' (Natasha Khan's lawyers, take note) who've caused a bit of a stir apparently on the show is from the town. Front page news, too.

Suppose it helps when your family is well known in the housing industry of the town. There is even an X-Factor poster of them in the bank window across from my office.

When it's on TV, I can ignore it - when it's in your eye line whilst doing the 9-5, it's annoying.

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Reno Dakota | 10 October 2008 - 9:12pm
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