Someday we'll look back on this and it will all seem...my God, I can't believe we ever got away with that

My iTunes just threw up Terry Reid's version of Donovan's "Superlungs". This was recorded in 1968. The lyrics go as follows:

You see this kind of chick in every town
Whenever there's a scene she's always hanging around
She's so naïve and innocent, stares at you with awe
She's only fourteen but she knows how to draw

It didn't shock me then. It was round about the same time as the Blind Faith cover. Everybody sang "Good Morning Little Schoolgirl". They'd learned it from Howlin Wolf and Muddy Waters, who were middle-aged fathers for God's sake. It was just part of the great pop dream. John Peel was always having his picture taken with nubiles in school uniform. When George Harrison first met Patti Boyd that was how she was dressed. And it even extended into real life. In those days rock stars commonly consorted with girls who were, let's say, sixth form at best. Eric Clapton was engaged to Alice Ormsby-Gore when she was seventeen.

It doesn't shock me now either. However I'd be interested to know what they'd say if Terry wanted to play it on the TV. And if somebody new came along with a song like that they'd surely be run out of town. The people with the pitchforks would be a new alliance of prudes with the Daily Mail on one flank and the NME on the other.

This is the way it goes. What was once a birrofalaff turns into the next decade but one's moral panic. The first rock and roll single, "Rocket 88", is in praise of drinking and driving, let's not forget. What fascinates me is this: we have not suddenly reached some peak of moral perfection. In the future we're going to look back on some aspects of the popular entertainment of today and think 'I can't believe people used to get away with that'.

What are they?

I thought that...

...listening to Radio 2 in the car the Saturday before last.

Lucas Hare | 4 November 2008 - 2:35pm

I can't believe

that stars are able to get away with phoning OAPs and leaving messages on their answerphones about intimate relationships with their family memebers with absolutely no repercussions whatsoever! Oh, wait...

On a more serious note, I'd say the chauvinism in a lot of gangsta rap, often in the higher echelons of the singles/download charts. I'm not sure why more rappers aren't brought to task over it, not to mention the, ahem, tasteful artwork and videos that endorse said music.

Oh, and I don't think that years ago people would have believed we'd have a #1 single in the UK charts entitled "F*** It"

Joe R | 4 November 2008 - 2:36pm

We can always hope it is

vomiting in the gutters on a Friday and Saturday night having imbibed more alcohol than anyone should decently consume in one night. And turning our town centres into no-go areas as a consequence.

*gets off soapbox*

Diz | 4 November 2008 - 2:41pm

1975: the gender balance

In 1975, it was absolutely fine for Elvis Presley to claim that "a man without love is only half of a man, but a woman is nothing at all"...


Lucas Hare | 4 November 2008 - 2:40pm

John Peel certainly had form

Julie Burchill (sorry I'll never mention her again) often referred disparagingly to his "Schoolgirl of the week" photo competition in Sounds. She made it sound really sordid which is not how I remember it but then I was only a schoolboy myself at the time.

I wonder why Roy Harper's "Forbidden Fruit" never gets played on the radio.


Tony Fry | 4 November 2008 - 3:12pm

I'm not sure we haven't reached zero tolerance level...

...on that kind of thing. There is NO tolerating racism, sexism, ageism, child abuse, paedephilia, negativity towards disabilties and so on.

What there has been is a tacit acceptance of certain youth behaviour that will have to end. Otherwise young men stabbing young men in large cities will become young men stabbing young men in suburbs & small towns, and young men stabbing young men in large cities will become young men shooting young men in large cities and so on.

kb | 4 November 2008 - 3:23pm

"No tolerating ageism"?

I would say it's thriving.

David Hepworth | 4 November 2008 - 3:42pm

You would say that

At your age.

Tony Fry | 4 November 2008 - 3:44pm

Not in the 'normal' workplace

Forget your bitter media luvvies who won't accept that their day is done (A Ford, DL Travis, Crimewatch Ross), I'm talking about not being able to use the words "around 2 years experience" or "junior" or even "at an early stage in your career" in job advertisements.

kb | 4 November 2008 - 3:56pm

Speaking as a bitter media

Speaking as a bitter media luvvy, I wonder is there a sub-section of the Age Discrimination Act that says "does not apply to people in TV". And should there be?

David Hepworth | 4 November 2008 - 7:07pm

Sorry...

...no offence meant (to you anyway). Indeed the law-dodging glass ceiling exists in all lines of business, whatever the profession. My point was around the protection people get nowadays regardless of their 'category'.

kb | 4 November 2008 - 7:27pm

cracks in glass ceilings

a few years ago there was a big headline in the Australian newspaper

"women widen crack in glass ceiling"

it amused the vulgar little sod in me no end.

tonyhunter | 5 November 2008 - 12:55am

Wasn’t there a feature on this in The Word

a few issues ago. And didn’t that feature demonstrate that it works both ways: some things that were seen as perfectly normal forty years ago (smoking in a hospital for example) are now seen as shocking; while other things that were once absolutely unthinkable (saying “fuck” on the telly) are tolerated.

Richard Lowe | 4 November 2008 - 3:42pm
Lucas Hare | 4 November 2008 - 4:03pm

Race

I have a mixed-race friend. Her father still refers to her as 'half-caste' because it was a perfectly normal term when he was young and he doesn't see why he has to change his language simply because the cultural norm has shifted. What's more, he's convinced that the term 'mixed-race' will also fall out of favour as people come to see the 'mixed' bit as implying confusion, as in 'mixed up', or inferior, as in 'mixed blessing', and a more precisely descriptive term will have to be found. And then, eventually, this new phrase will also become offensive and we'll all have to move on again.

Fraser Lewry | 4 November 2008 - 4:07pm

Casualty actor...

Kwame gave forth an Albarn-esque retribution to the poor lady on BBC Breakfast who used the term "mixed race" to describe Obama's complexion. Even though Obama describes himself as black - the new PC thesaurus now, apparently, decrees the term to be "bi-racial".

John Waite | 6 November 2008 - 10:52am

I thought one of his parents was white?

Not that it matters particularly, but I just thought it the media was presenting him slightly inaccurately.

kidpresentable | 7 November 2008 - 10:42am

Bonnie Greer was railing

Bonnie Greer was railing in the Guardian about that the other day. Apparently Sarah Montague asked her a question about Obama and whether he's black or 'mixed race' - she wasn't happy, of course!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/04/race-barackobama

robram | 7 November 2008 - 12:41pm

I think that's absolutely right

Terms such as 'disabled' or 'handicapped' also fall in and out of favour. There is no word that is immune to being picked apart by the relentless analysis of political correctness.

Lucas Hare | 4 November 2008 - 4:13pm

So that’s why

you never hear Pinball Wizard on the radio theses days.

Richard Lowe | 4 November 2008 - 4:30pm

In fact "mixed race" has already gone out of use...

...in the Government Department where I work. We prefer "dual heritage" to describe the different backgrounds of two parents, or "multiple heritage" where the picture is more complicated. Mixed race is frowned upon now for the reasons Fraser states. These changes in language often start in Government so this will probably filter into general usage eventually.

Poochy2000 | 4 November 2008 - 4:43pm

Crikey

I had no idea it was already time to move on. Thanks for the update.

Fraser Lewry | 4 November 2008 - 4:48pm

You’re not allowed to say “crikey”

because it rhymes with “pikey”.

Richard Lowe | 4 November 2008 - 5:00pm

Obama

I have just heard Barack Obama refer to himself as a "mutt"
He needs to have a word with himself

Dave P | 8 November 2008 - 1:25pm

The odd thing about the sweet-sixteen taboo. . . .

is that in the Fifties and Sixties 16-year-old girls were less physically mature than they are now - they began menstruating 2-3 years later on average - yet it was perfectly legal for them to have sex and even get married with their parents' consent - and, rather paradoxically, still is. In other words, why frown on it now when they didn't back when it took a court case to lift a 30-year ban on the publication of Lady Chatterley's Lover?

Meanwhile, among all the frowning, the government wants to teach primary-school children the nitty-gritty of what happens when "mummy and daddy love each other very much". A wacky world? Noddarf! Here's Bachman Turner Overdrive....

Archie Valparaiso | 4 November 2008 - 9:36pm

We are in danger of taking things

too far. Jeremy Clarkson getting viewers raging to the BBC that his comments that Truckers are rapists is a case in point. Bandwagon jumping is obviously becoming a popular sport but excuse me the North American term 'going postal' is popular and originates from the fact that most lunatics going on a shooting spree all somehow worked for the Post Office. Funny that the Americans have been routinely derided for having a puritanical view of things but it is dear old Blighty where this type of behaviour is deemed completely unacceptable. Jeremy Clarkson may be a prick but for heavens sake let's lighten up a bit.

There is a chink of light however. Years ago Golliwogs were routinely banned from sale or display in all shops in the UK. Last week my daughter and I saw one in Hamleys. She asked me what it was and I explained and also told her that they had been banned. She doesnt have a racist bone in her body and didn't understand what the fuss was about. it seems like the kids have a grip on reality while we lose ours!!

Steve Turner | 4 November 2008 - 7:28pm

Definitely agree with you...

on the racism and kids thing. Let's face it, if kids grow up racist it's only because their parents/relatives or peers influence them in that direction. No-one is born racist!

robram | 7 November 2008 - 12:40pm

I Saw Her Standing There

Don't get me wrong, I really like McCartney, but there's something about the opening to that song that doesn't sit right, particularly sung at his age.

kidpresentable | 7 November 2008 - 10:45am

On the Stones 'Stripped' live album from 1997...

...Mick Jagger replaces the words

"She was becoming flirty, she looked about 30"

with

"She was getting frisky, she looked about 50"

stimpy | 7 November 2008 - 5:52pm

But ...

there he's being derogatory - 50 much too old. The object of his desire in Stray Cat Blues has only moved from 14 to 16!


Steven C | 8 November 2008 - 8:13pm

Song lyrics date, of course

Sitting in for Aled Jones the other week (I have no idea how I was listening to it), the Rt Rev Rog Royle played this as his first track


In case you can't be arsed to listen, these are the lyrics of the first verse:

Take a pinch of white man
Wrap him up in black skin
Add a touch of blue blood
And a little bitty bit of red Indian boy
Oh like a Curly Latin kinkies
Oh Lordy, Lordy, mixed with yellow Chinkees, yeah
You know you lump it all together
And you got a recipe for a get along scene
Oh what a beautiful dream
If it could only come true, you know, you know

The sentiment's great, but I'm not so sure about some of the terminology!

robram | 7 November 2008 - 12:34pm

The really depressing pattern in all this is that...

... society is getting stricter and stricter on trivial tosh (jokes, toys, song lyrics, terminology) while getting laxer and laxer on the serious stuff (binge drinking & casual drug taking, teenage pregnancy, street violence...)

And it's all because the former are easy targets and quick fixes, a classic distraction strategy, like spending all the time talking about errant TV presenters rather than ongoing war & continuing economic collapse.

Sigh.

Metal Mickey | 7 November 2008 - 4:08pm

In the future

We will look back in awe that we found entertainment in watching oafs tear around the countryside wasting the earth's precious resources.

Dave P | 8 November 2008 - 1:42pm

The funkiest thing The Commodores ever did

But liable to get them put on a register nowadays;


Producer Matt | 8 November 2008 - 4:39pm

Ha! Just got the Hep's knowing thread title....

Rosalita jump a little higher!

Am I right or am I right????

John Waite | 11 November 2008 - 12:16pm