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Somebody Out There Doesn't Like Bargepole
Posted by wayfarer on 27 September 2009 - 11:06pm.
Every one of his posts has been severely negged - and there are many more minus points than there are replies to his posts. Are we maybe being a tad juvenile here?
Maybe Bargepole is a Word staffer, having a bit of a wind up - doing a good job too, by the looks of it.
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are you gay for him
and love the cock?
Okay, that was a wind up but I think Mr. Pole is quite vocal, can stand up for himself and although he insists on using the first person, it's tolerated because he is interesting. I love the ebb and foul mouthed dialogue flow of Kevin Smith fillums, will you come to my aid wayfarer?
Erm,
Not sure I've seen any.
poor old Bargepole
He's not even supposed to be here, you know.
Somebody
does seem to be unfairly on his case. Distinctly uncool.
James..
..what makes you and Wayfarer think that Bargepole is male?
I think she's fascinating.
I'll leave it to someone else to point out the difference between first and third person.
I Dunno Why I Assumed
Bargepole is male. Hmmm...
Could be hermaphrodite
Like an earthworm. Have you considered that?
In that event
maybe Bargepole could consider running for South Africa
Bargepole is an Earthworm?
in a series of childrens book by David Mackee?
Martin cannot possibly comment ...
...on Bargepole's taxonomic status, or one David Mackee, but Martin can confirm that earthworms do excellent charity work for the soil.
Occasional slip
There have been occasional slips in Bargepole's phrasing which lead to the conclusion that the "Bargepole online character" is male.
We will probably never know the truth about who is behind the persona, which some find stilted, and tiring to read.
Or, more definitively
that he has professed a love for Early Genesis, Fish era Marillion and Jon Anderson's solo albums.
And the fact that he regularly posts on The Word blog.
That dude's a dude.
A teenage girl who works in the coffee shop I go to in Oxford...
told me she likes Yes and Steely Dan a couple of days ago. I was shocked, and then pleased.
I have
quite literally fallen off my chair
Is she fit?
Is she legal?
These are the questions that matter right now.
Is she really
a girl?
The answer to those questions is yes, yes, yes...
I gave her my spare copy of The Nightfly today and she was very pleased. I think the fact that she likes Steely Dan offers enormous hope for the future of the planet.
I'll get my coat
To get on the train to Oxford. It's less than an hour away!!
Jazz & conversation
from the foot of Mount Belzoni.
You're in...
Oh Patrick, as if you had a 'spare' copy of 'The Nightfly'
and didn't just leg it to the nearest HMV when she expressed an interest!
P.S. Does she have a friend who might enjoy my 'Countdown To Ecstasy'? :-)
is it at all possible
that she might've been trying to sell an extra coffee and muffin? feigning interest for sales?
just a thought.
My Wife..
May be the only woman to have bought a Jethro Tull album in history (before we met) and keeps Marillion, Genesis, Maiden in the collection along with the steadying sounds of Dolly Parton and Whitney Houston!
No way...
she couldn't give a stuff about selling extra coffee. She doesn't need to try to get me to drink more espresso as I practically live on the stuff as it is. I firmly believe her interest in the Dan is genuine as it was her that brought the subject of them up in the first place.
I believe you
I just thought it was a possibility. Perhaps all those years in retail made me a tad cynical.
any idea
About her love of early King Crimson, or Stackridge's "Friendliness" album.
the Dan - fair enough
but Yes?
good point
Yes and the Dan - in the same sentence...dearie me
I just have visions of the transaction.
I couldn't find any reference to Donald Fagen, though.
Surely it has to be a male
no female would be so boring as to continually refer to themselves in the third person - of course he is trying to be ironic or to wind people up, maybe he is even trying to be funny - problem is it just fails on all levels. Well, actually sorry, it does seem to be winding people up or there wouldn`t be a thread like this and people wouldn`t keep pressing those stupid buttons (now THEY wind me up...) to minus him.
ok i'll do it
First person: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-person_narrative
Third person: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-person_narrative#Third-person_narrati...
Bargepole goes for third person, but in a Craig David style. I like it personally. It's an enjoyable conceit.
I'm new to these boards myself, but bargepole seems fun and interesting. The lots of negs thing is what will happen to fun and interesting (i.e. controversial) posters if you let people give comments negative ratings.
Well, agreed
I really can't be arsed with po-faced grammar lessons. I always enjoy his communications, like most, and although I may not share taste, I hope he's getting his jollies whatever and wherever. I am seriously getting pised off with the negatives here, and am thinking of bowing out gracefully. It's increasingly not the site I joined anymore. The vulgarity level is another thing entirely. I'll go down the local boozer if want genital references etc. Oh how things can change !
Me too
In fact I'm off for a pint down The Auld Vadge in a minute or so.
You've managed to convince me.
I'm outta here. I didn't realise I was in the wrong place. Thanks for all the info and fun , everyone else, but this site aint where I want to be anymore. Vadge ? Teenage mechanics.....
Cheerio Jams
thanks for playing.
Byeee!
( one, two, three, four ).....
aw, don't go Jams
- have a walk 'round the block, play some Hariprasad Chaurasia (Moody Blues - if you must - even - gulp - TB Sheets) and re-join us.
You know you want to
Indigo
Lifebelt ? Hang on, wrong name. C/W funk thing... I can't escape can I ? Is Mr H No.2 ? Who are you really ? Where are my shoes for the seventeenth time! I do not want a pineapple !
Seconded...
Forum fatigue... Very common.
Maybe just have a rest from it for a bit?
Been there meself...
didn't mean to be po-faced
and I certainly am not in a position to give grammer lessons. I like it when I am corrected myself and also when people explain long words to me cos it increases my knowledge.
I think its healthy to go down the pub, but I would suggest just ignoring anything you don't like, and continuing to enjoy what you did. Inevitably there will be a few people that will annoy you on a board from time to time, but I think this site has a very low level of really horrible stuff.
Mind you I'm pretty new here so maybe I'm speaking too soon.
( Po-Faced wasn't aimed at you,
sorry about that).
no problem
:-)
Do we have to be all grown-up now?
Or am I allowed to say that bargpole smells of wee?
Ha! So you've not
left us... :-)
Martin announces that Bargepole backwards spells ...
...Elopegrab.
That is all.
I thought about this blog on bargepole
but decided I wouldn't touch it
Bargepole amuses one
In a similar way to Macca's claim that She Loves You was ground-breaking and astonishing because no-one had written a lyric that spoke of love from the perspective of a third person before. I remain unconvinced that George Martin's jaw dropped with incredulity at such audacity. He probably smiled and nodded.
Chaosandmorphine
are of the view that if the punt propelling tool wishes to continue to refer to itself in the third person, then we reserve the right to continue to object to it by whatever means available. Childish? Yes. But no more than referring to yourself in the third person.
To be fair, I would say that the lack of replies to it's posts are more to do with the content of said posts. Some of it's posts get more replies than others, which is the same for us all.
Besides, it's made it's lack of concern clear, here. http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/the-third-person-a-cautionary-tale
Occam concurs
Writing about yourself in the 3rd person is somewhat grating and self-indulgent. The negs probably reflect this.
badger_king offers view
That writing in the 3rd person is vaguely amusing in a "Bill Bailey would like the eggs of numbing inevitability" way.
Anyone who doesn't get that quote needs to reassess their situation and watch all of the man's live shows. Amazing.
And no "Accidental" negging. Yes?
You are now wondering, aren't you...
... if perhaps the the use of the second person present tense is less or more annoying?
Yes you are...
One feels
an element of sympathy when one reads the constant carping about dear old Bargepole. He's a decent old cove, y'know.
It's a bit Colin Hunt
and more attention-seeking than a four-year-old in a tutu, but it doesn't do much harm. I just wouldn't want to sit next to him on a long bus journey.
*applauds*
A rare laugh-out-loud, thank you Captain!
We quite enjoy bargepole's nonsense
..and would quite happily take him on a bus journey, firmly leashed of course.
I (no - we; see how hard it is to keep it going?) think he may be another Facebook casualty who now addresses the entire world as if he was updating his status. Perhaps he also says 'lol' instead of actually laughing?
Maybe Bargepole is a
premiership footballer. As well as speaking about themselves in third person, they alsways manage to place absolutely everything into the perfect tense.
bargepole thanks
you all for your concern, but the site really doesn't need comments like the second one of this thread, which reflects a marked decline in the standard of the site lately, esspecially in terms of bad language and lack of tolerance for other peoples opinions and points of view.
also,are there really no topics better than this to discuss. bargepole thinks we should be told.
finally Bargepole has zero interest in people who take the easy option of an anonymous neg vote rather than taking a minute to explain their views.
Well, there's certainly no room for abuse on this site...
..unless it's me venting about Morrissey. Having said that, posting purely in order to enrage people is not a good idea.
Let's play nice, shall we?
I would like to apologize for being
snippy about your handle in the past (when you first joined in fact) - none of my damn business.
Your posts, like everyone else's, are sometimes of interest to me, sometimes not.
No big deal.
I wish you well Mr.Pole.
no apology is necessary
everyone is obviously entitled to their own views on the interest or otherwise of Bargepole's opinions. Certainly none were posted with the intention of causing ill feeling,although it is a little surprising that a thread as innocuous as, for example, 'memories' should receive negative votes! And Bargepole does think it is rather beyond the pale to start a thread for the sole intention of criticising another user of the site!
on the last point
- in particular - Bargepole is absolutely both spot and on
Can`t you see that it is not a lack of tolerance
for other`s views, it`s just the fact that you keep persisting on using this third person nonsense! Just tell me why, simple question, what`s the point?
This was a nice friendly forum now you`ve got people having a go at you, there`s lots of nasty comments flying around, people who persist in using these stupid arrows are just going to "neg" (where the hell did that word come from?) you every time you even try to submit a reasonable blog thread.
Why not re-register under a new user name and contribute as a rational adult and I think you'll find people do have a lot of tolerance for another`s opinions.
Hear ! Hear !
I don't have a problem with the content of Bargepole's posts, it's the clunky "look at Bargepole" way he says it that grates. (I know that moderating style and content isn't up to me, but I'm a member of the community expressing a view)
I don't think I am alone in this, and I hope that Bargepole isn't too upset by this view.
I don't think that this thread was started to criticise Bargepole - maybe the OP can clarify - but rather as a place to discuss the behaviour.
bargepole hears what you say
but does not think other users should dictate the way he posts, nor will he allow them to do so.
as Neil Young once replied when asked why he sang in the way he does, 'that's my style man'.
and surely there are more interesting things to discuss.
yes there are
and there are more important things to take a principled stand on, too.
Hear Hear Again !
Rave on, Bargepole.(The Principal ?... it's a popular culture mag site..for gawd's sake).
(it's the other one, Jams)
Felicitations.
Gotcha.
Cheap grammar shots
they're all I've got (smiley face thing)
"dictate" ?
I think that is rather strong - I expressed my opinion, and I think I did so politely.
Not to Criticise,
more an observation of others' behaviour in hitting all his posts with negative marks but no comments to back them up. Personally, I enjoy Bargepole's posts.
By the way, this is in reply to "Hear! Hear!" several posts up - I don't know how it fetched up here.
New Layout
The replies are nested by time, and if you follow the arrows, you'll see that this sits at the same level of indentation as the other replies to that post.
I think the negative marks are an indicator of the childishness that is enabled by the arrows, as well as being some people's way of putting their point to Bargepole without being wordy about it.
Because we've all had our say on this now, I think.
Thank You,
Mr Malo, I was trying to move the post and failing miserably. You are a fount of wisdom, indeed.
You're welcome
I see that I am being negged now - can anyone enlighten me why the post here was negged, please ?
Because
some people are simple. I use the up one most. And only if I genuinely disagree with a main post, or am saddened by youtube content do I neg. But that is very rare. I tried to put you to 0 above.
thanks
"it is not a lack of tolerance"
"It`s just the fact that you keep persisting on using this third person nonsense".
Let's get this straight; it isn't intolerance, it's just that the third person posts are something you find it hard to tolerate.
You're having a laugh.
Read the post...
It seemed Bargepole was concerned about a lack of tolerance for his opinions, my point was that it was not his opinions that might be rubbing people up the wrong way but his constant third person references.
And yes, I am having a laugh.
Hmmmm.
So his opinions will be tolerated, but only if he desists from 'using this third person nonsense' and makes sure to 'contribute as a rational adult' and stops 'rubbing people up the wrong way buy his constant third person references'.
Good of you.
Are you his minder?
As many people have indicated through a number of posts and responses, the 'third person' affectation does grate after the initial novelty has faded. I'm sure no-one has anything against Bargepole as an individual (probably because we don't actually know each other in the real world), and his posts are often interesting and stimulating...but, but, the persona does affect how people relate to his contributions. If s/he interacted with people on a day-to-day basis in this way, a la Colin Hunt, I'm sure his family/friends/work colleagues/acquaintances would express their disapproval/intolerance by challenging Bargepole more robustly than has been witnessed here, or by avoiding him/her.
So, farewell then, pomposity.
Thy name is third person critic, deceased.
Judger of all that is affectation.
Molehill magnifier of mountainous proportion.
Arbiter of grown-upness. Aged 17½.
If you care to read what I actually said
I made no criticism of Bargepole as an individual, or of the content of his posts. It obviously hasn't escaped your notice that his writing style - are you saying that it isn't an affectation? - is off-putting for many people; my point was merely to indicate that such a form of expression, used persistently, would probably receive short shrift in any other context.
So I haven't judged, just made an observation. Haven't magnified a molehill, just contributed said observation within an ongoing debate, which I believe is my prerogative as much as yours. Haven't referred to anything connected with age.
Sorry if you find my writing style 'pompous'; I would prefer to think it's using the language in an adult and fairly erudite way. I'll try and dumb it down next time so you're more comfortable with it.
E.J. Thribb.
Age 17½.
Pompous?
Not aimed at your 'writing style', but at the way another's style has been belittled.
And I promised myself
I wasn`t going to get wound up by Bargepole.
Sheev
has never referred to himself in the third person. Until now.
Sheev's original appelation was an in-joke that only he got - as the only other people who would have understood it were either dead or living in remote villages in the Himalayas and unlikely - sad to report - to be active Word bloggers.
Sheev actively - as is the liberal's curse - would heartily defend the right of anyone to call themselves what they will and refer to themselves as they wish.
More importantly - to say what they want - even if it is arrant nonsense - like the notion that Queen are any good.
As long as - as Mr Hepworth observes - everyone's plays nice. Ish.
Sheev wishes all fellow Wordistas - top of the evening
oṃ śāntiḥ
bargepole
thanks you for those comments and echoes the esteemed Mr Hepworth's words.
The last few posts have had
more than a hint of the House of Lords. This is something I find faintly amusing for some reason I cannot put my finger on for the moment
Order! Order!
The Rt Hon Member for Stoke Newington South, Mr Barney Tabasco!
Ah
Not quite.
The last few posts have had the rather more civilised and rather mannered feel of the Lords, as opposed to some of the earlier, more Commons-ish ontributions. Actually Bargepole himself has more than a whiff of this.
Hey ho.
I'm warming to Bargepole
This thread is unnecessary but does at least have a happy ending.
new
The Bargepole is dead Long Live The Bargepole!
so...
Steely Dan and Richard Thompson, eh??
Nah, Not Convinced
Talking about yourself in the Third Person occasionally could be amusing. Doing it all the time is affectation, or could be construed as a lack of confidence in one's opinion - the inability to say 'I think' or 'I believe', (although in a board of this nature most of us take subjectivity for granted).
As another commentator recently said, 'Talking about yourself in the Third Person is only acceptable for - Those of unsound mind, actors reading a bad monologue, or 5 year-olds.
If we wish to communicate well with our peers, surely we use forms of speech and writing with which they are comfortable, rather than enforcing a construct where (to paraphrase McLuhan) the medium seems to be more important than the message.
I don't like it when people say "I'll get my tin hat"
Some interesting points there, Mr. er, 'Badlands' was it?
It Seems
That Bargepole has been rehabilitated (partly) at the expense of me! -10 and counting. Wayfarer would never refer to himself in the third person, and he laughs at your little arrows of disdain. Ha!
Affectation?
On this site?
Heaven forfend.
A sighting!
A brief one, but welcome nevertheless!
Is this a sign that the swine flu is over then? :-)
Or just a quiet moment before the coming storm? :-(
Either way, welcome back.
Are You
referring to Moi?
(Welcome back, by the way)
clear conscience
I had a bit of a dig at bargepole on the American telly thread. Thought long and hard about it but felt his/her post was so overtly negative and not based in anything that playing his/her choice of words back at him/her with reference to the third person thing would highlight the poor spirit of the post. Been wracked with guilt ever since at being a bit negative myself. I've only done the voting things twice though so not guilty there!
I've always enjoyed
I've always enjoyed Bargepole's distinct style on the blog.
Is my last comment
Does my last comment warrant a minus 5?
I'm not down with this point thing.
Momentum
A position of -5 means that 5 posters have clicked the down-arrow. (More accurately, I think it means that 5 more have clicked the down-arrow than have clicked the up-arrow).
The voting buttons give a simple way for people to add support or otherwise to posts, without (a) being visible and (b) getting into the detail of why they agree or disagree.
At this point, your momentum seems to be heading downwards. I'm sure that at some point, we'll have a voting post like the Andy Kershaw one which ended up off the edge of the screen - I wonder how low voting can go before it wraps round and becomes a large positive number ?
EDIT : the numbers will change as more people vote
Yes, but..
...it's not fair.
All Kidpresentable has done is said that he likes Bargepole's posts. How on earth can you disagree with that, unless it's to present an alternative view, in which case you should just speak your mind?
I like Cup-a-Soup, but only if it has croutons in it. Neg me. Go on, I dare you. I double dare you.
"How on earth can you disagree with that,
unless it's to present an alternative view, in which case you should just speak your mind?"
Perhaps they already have spoken their minds, have you considered that?
What I mean is..
... you can't 'disagree' with someone expressing a simple preference. Well, you can, obviously, as it's taking place here. But it just seems, I don't know, 'wrong' somehow. A little bit underhand. Like a little weaselly dig.
Disagreeing with someone expressing a simple preference
is what this blog is mostly concerned with! - 'The Beatles are better than the Stones. No they're not. Actually Dylan is better than both!' - Sound familiar?
As for weasely dig's, it seems that most people who have an opinion on this particular thread have expressed it openly. Many anti 'pole comments have been negged too, but you don't hear them moaning about it.
No.
"The Beatles are better than the Stones."
That statement you can neg, if you want, because you disagree with it, if you do.
"I like the Beatles more than I like the Stones."
You can't disagree with that. If you do, you're essentially saying, 'No, you don't, you like the Stones more.'
Now
I understand what you were trying to say. Fair point.
However, I still think that as long as the voting buttons are there, it's ok to use them. [And I want them removed, btw.]
Aren't you actually indicating
disapproval rather than disagreement e.g. "I am not happy that you have indicated a preference for The Beatles over The Stones", or "Your preference for B over S does not conform to my rating of the respective groups"?
Yes.
It just seems a bit like boo-ing
It just seems a bit like booing people's comments instead of conversing. I'm not bothered if others don't agree, I didn't expect much direct response in this case as the alternate view was already present, but given that I was saying something positive about another poster it feels like an odd thing to do.
I've no wish to make a big deal out of it, I'll be onto the next thread in moment, that's just my thoughts on it. I think Albert's point is spot-on as well.
Consider yourself negged (grrrrr!)
just because you dared me to.
My brother will meet you outside school gates :-)
So that's how they work
I've just clicked the positive button. You've gone up to 0.
Edit: This is a reply to Albertedward's 3.50pm post.
I'm wondering about
Blogging about blogging.
I don't think there's any harm in it.
But is there anything to be gained?
I was going to start a thread to that effect, but I didn't want to be blogging about blogging about blogging.
Careful now
I've already sustained two body hits. Good job I invested in a Onanist Proof Jacket.
It's wipe-clean presumably?
(That's why I whispered it)
(This is me whispering, btw...)
This just in: it's Arthur
Bargepole
Correct me if I'm wrong (and feel free to beat me severly if someone's already brought this up) but I seem to recall a gossip column in the late (lamented?) "Punch" magazine being called "Bargepole" - and if my ever-decaying memory fails to deceive me as usual - I'm pretty sure was written in the third person.
In that context, I'd kind of assumed the Bargepole on here was paying his/her own tribute to said column - maybe I'm wrong?
Anyway, man.of.soup has far more to worry about than whether someone blogs here in the third person, so urges a sense of perspective on this forum, allied to an almost Edwardian degree of ridiculously good manners (growing bigger mutton chops would almost certainly assist).
PS I agree with everyone who noted the decline in manners and increase in aggression on this forum - how abut we don't just play nice but grow the f*** up a bit too?
Kind sir
I concur most whole heartedly with your well chosen words. Your point is well made. However, I do feel I cannot let such affectation as the use of lower case and inappropriate full stops in your moniker go by without remarking what a shame it is that such careless abuse of the King's English is so prevalent these days, and I dearly wish it was otherwise. I bid you good day.
Well spotted
that man,said Bargepole. and hear hear to your final comments too!
uh oh
he's not going to start talking exclusively in the past tense as well, is he?
Bargepole the 1st
was more satire than gossip wasn't it ? -I'm a fan of the collected works, see e.g. Amazon's synopsis:
A highly commended read to all concerned
although tricky to get hold of nowadays.
Bargepole also highly recommends the book 'Big Babies' if you're not already familiar with it.
aH
that's why your picture is of a Mr Punch from Punch and Judy, another Punch reference.
Bargepole #1 in
the person of Michael Bywater still, I'm glad to see, writes quite a bit-but may hold a record for speed of getting bored w/ Twitter ...
http://twitter.com/mbywater
come in here dear boy
have a cigar, you're gonna go far, quoth bargepole.
This Thread
has been worth it just for your comment. Genius.
Hooray!
I'm the hundredth post on a really silly subject.
Leave the 'pole alone - we may become subject to a Panaorama expose of cyber-bullying
Look - I think Abba are crap - surely that's worse than anything Bargepole has written. Third person or otherwise.
Get the negs flying in
Bless ya
and to demonstrate..
to take heat off the Bargepolak
I think Richard Thompson produced good stuff with Fairport Convention but has, in my opinion, been a bland, mediocre singer songwriter ever since.
Flow, negs, flow.
Ah but we all know that you're saying that for a reaction
and that you don't really mean it :-)
-14 and counting
just to make something clear, I am no troll
Indeed not
And I clicked you up because I didn't want you to think you weren't loved.
We'd be better off using the buttons...
... for polls.
In fact, I think I'll do one.
... after dinner.
first poll
should the buttons stay or go!
Bargepole!
You've been cured! Praise be to the Lord!
Well , you know my view
and true to form they're at it again. Congenital and habitual, you see. Well, I kind of like whoever now. They're almost like part of some inherited dusty furniture or a bottled owl, or even perhaps an elderly incontinent and flatulent mastiff that you have grown to love and accept, but can't bear to shoot. We'd miss them you know.
Confused of Bargepole thread writes, "Who is 'they'?"
Are we talking about the Manchester Uniteds and Chelseas of this world? God, that pluralitis stuff really gets my goat.
I think he means the buttons
are like farty dogs
but I'm not completely convinced I'm following this either.
Make
it
stop...
aye
it's gotten well out of hand but did throw up some "Word Forum" style humour in the middle
Beatles/Stones... Genesis if you ask me, early PG stuff of course
on a serious note
I don't really like the third person thing - its a bit 6th form.
But what I REALLY don't like is that all of the posts by B/P have been heavily voted down, almost on principal. There's no place for that sort of thing.
It's why people preceive this country as going to hell in a handcart...!If it isn't affecting your life, stop being mean to people.
.
.
and can bargepole just mention
that since he joined this site a goodly number of his posts haven't been in the third person as (a)sometimes he forgets and (b)other times he simply can't be arsed. but not on this occasion though.
'Tom's putting it in now'
- will make sense to long time Popbitchers - surely the creepiest example of third person speech.
i would depend...
...on how the line was delivered, surely?
Mr Baker seems to be a bit mad anyway, so if he's putting it in, you should have expected something weird.
This is an ex-topic
It has ceased to be - interesting, amusing, diverting, illuminating, relevant or enlightening.
Please can it be allowed to rest in peace.
Damn fine thesaurus
you have there Mr/Ms Occam.
Nice razor, too!
;-)
Fine
In theory.........
How very true, Bad.
In practice, having a vast acreage to shave, I use cheap twin-blade swivel-head ones (with aloe vera) from Lidl...
A second blade theory!
what next - a grassy knoll !?
Dunno about "grassy"
More of a defoliated knoll, really...
Nearly all the growth on the knoll in question has been restricted to the back and sides for many a year, so my twin-blade simply mops up time's leftovers.
You'll have someone's eye out.
All of you, stop fighting.
Or I won't ask you what you've been reading every 6 weeks or so.
So there.
An entire lunchbreak
...it took me to read this thread. Enjoyed, as ever, the semantic jousting on all sides and glad to see good sense prevailing.