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Some observations from the big day
Posted by Dave Amitri on 29 April 2011 - 5:45pm.
1. David Beckham is the worlds most handsome man.
2. Westminster Abbey is a truly stunning building, how did they do that so many years ago? The shots from the top looking down the aisle were wonderful.
3. Trees don't belong in a church.
4. Kate Middleton needs a big dinner.
5. Prince Harry is definitely going to have a pop at Pippa Middleton. I expect he sees it as his duty.
6. Elton John is funny.
7. Fearne Cotton is not the devil, she is very professional.
8. Old aeroplanes are good.
9. I mustn't be so cynical about marriage.
10. The British people are eccentric, patriotic and brilliant, today I am proud to be British.
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And the music! And the language!
Jesus forgive my atheistic soul, but the Book of Common Prayer is so beautiful. Don't suppose most people watching have ever seen or heard a King James Version church service. That's probably why nobody goes.
I'm not generally a royalist or even a great patriot, but I'm with you, Dave.
Oh, and 'er Duchessishness: you bloody would.
Kate Middletons mum.
I would.
Any of the Middletons would get it in my book.
Apart from Dad. Well. Unless I'd had a lot to drink. And he asked nicely.
There was a steely
look in the eyes of all the Middletons that makes me believe that they are ready for whatever the next stage of their life brings them. They are not to be messed with, their Kate won't go the way of our Diana methinks.
The Middletons strike me as the personification of
quietly comfortable middle class middle-England, and thats the one demographic no-one messes with.
Indeed.
And with the best *ahem* will in the world, it's hard to paint a picture of desperate social inequality in the UK when the heir to the throne marries the daughter of an air hostess and a man who made a business selling party products on the web...
As Who Do You Think You Are highlights, 'class' is a very fluid thing - Sir Becks of Leytonstone and the A.F.K.A. Reg Dwight of Pinner being two very prominent examples.
Including the son? You are
Including the son?
You are indeed a man of broad tastes Mr Law
I cashed in the Apple Credit Card
from my retirement whip round and bought this

Outstanding bass, excellent mid, more than adequate high range, maybe not the best looking device but I'm not going to be staring at it. All this happened because Glasgow was quiet and I got the closest spot to the Apple Store possible. 43 mins in and out.
ta Royal types, can you do it again in August when I go to buy a subwoofer?
Glasgow was quiet?
Something going on, then?
A huge punch-up
apparently.
I had no intention of watching any of it
but have to admit to seeing about an hour from half an hour before arrival at the Abbey, the ceremony and them leaving. It was exceptionally moving and I felt very proud to be British. Not an emotion I expected to be fair.
Slight disagreement though Dave, I thought the trees inside the Abbey looked fantastic.
The Trees
Put there no doubt to give the groom's father someone to talk to.
(confession: not my joke, read it on Twitter earlier but have forgotten who said it. David Quantick's commentwitry was very amusing, though).
I'm proud to British too,
but it's got bugger all to do with the wedding and everything to do with the poor saps who got arrested yesterday who were planning to continue our fine tradition of protest against inherited privilege
You Are Not Alone
Though I enjoyed the wedding. But the police seem to have gone in with jackboots stomping all over people's rights again. How to win friends.
This guy has links to reports on several of the police actions:
http://www.blipfoto.com/view.php?id=1120484&month=4&year=2011
I've not clicked on the link
Hope it shows some annoying crusties getting a kicking from the Boys In Blue. Violent demonstration against The State can be done but you have to expect that The State will get violent in response.
Yeah, that's the way....
an eye for an eye. Bring back hanging as well.
Of course the only way to meet violence is with more violence.
No flaw in that thinking.
Yeah...
...and your point is?
I am proud to be
British not proud of the British Police force. However given the mindless violence that we have seen in the capital in the last 6 months and the appetite that certain anarchist groups have for causing mayhem what are they supposed to do?Even the uprising in Egypt was less violent that what has been seen on the streets of London.
What about innocemt
until proven guilty? Arrested once you've actually committed a crime, rather than than just considered making a scene? The right to protest, whatever the desire for a TV set piece? Our freedoms seem a bit vulnerable when it only takes a wedding to see them suspended for dissenters.
Your argument has flaws
The police presence was to stop the potential for a few mindless morons to ruin a great occasion for the majority of people in this country and to show the watching World what we are about. The right to protest is not in dispute, unfortunately to the instigators of such protest this usually means smashing other peoples property and chucking things at passersby and the police. If you think they have the right to do this fine, I don't.
A pensioner
with a model guillotine hardly comes under that description.
A model guillotine...
...being operated by a man who's already expressed his unconcern about damage to property in the name of protest might, though. He's not just "a pensioner". He's Chris Knight, and he's got form for stirring the pot quite vigorously.
That said, I am uncomfortable with anti-royalist protest being suppressed, or being seen to be suppressed. I think that as long as they weren't going anywhere near the business end of town, they should've been allowed to do their thing.
Ummmmm....
Does it make sense to say that "the right to protest is not in dispute" and then defend the pre-emptive arrest of people who are about to protest on the grounds that they might commit a crime at some point in the day?
Speaking personally, I had no interest in the royal wedding and dislike the royal family. Am I shouting my views from the rooptop? No, that would be churlish. It's a young couple getting married, good luck to them, and it's made a lot of people very happy indeed. Fair play all round.
But we'd do well to remember that loving the royal wedding is only one view. Another is that the event is a waste of taxpayers' money and celebrates a revolting institution that contains some revolting individuals. Whether you agree or not, it's a view held by a large number of people. Just as people should be allowed in the mall to wave their "Wills - marry me instead placards", other should be allowed to publicly protest. It's called respect for other people's views.
Some of those arrested yesterday include people singing anti-royal songs and a group who were simply dressed as zombies. These aren't crimes, and those arrests were a disgrace to us all.
I am certainly not
in the Royalist camp nor am I anti. My basic belief is they have no bearing on my life whatsoever and I can take them or leave them. However the argument that they are a drain on the taxpayer is one I am not sure is accurate. They bring an awful lot of tourism to this country and it is patently true that those who don't have a monarchy are those that are most envious. I am not sure it is right to describe individuals within the Royal family as 'revolting'. Who in particular? The Queen? Prince Charles? Princess Anne? I don't think any of them are deserving of such an inappropriate description. Protests against the Royal Family are fine by me but only as long as they are within the law and are not violent. Unfortunately very few public protests in the Capital fall into that category these days.
Classic straw man, surely
At no point in my post did I suggest that people should be allowed to protest violently or break the law while doing so.
If those arrested on Saturday had actually been breaking the law then I think we'd all be applauding the police for doing their jobs.
The entire point is that a large number of the arrests in question involved people who weren't being violent and whose only "crime" was to attempt to express a negative view regarding the wedding.
"To Show The Watching World What We Are About"
I do hope we are "About" a bit more than that. I haven't watched any of it because it holds no interest for me. I don't wish them ill but I couldn't give a toss if we had a royal wedding or not. I went to work and earned some overtime to pay for my car insurance and possibly the new faster laptop I want. The TV stayed off after I got home.
The police in this country are still a damned sight better than most other parts of the world but seem to be heading in a more repressive direction of late, no doubt with encouragement from their political masters of all party persuasions.
well they had to nick them....
just in case they committed thought crime.
I'm genuinely not sure...
That the 'majority' of people in the country were interested, beyond appreciating the extra day off. There was a distinct lack of street parties etc. Despite the government trying desperately to whip up enthusiasm for event and then spinning on how successful it has been 'well we haven't had many applications for street parties but we believe that is due to most of them being held on private land' ahem.....quite.
I think it's a shame
you feel that way but I absolutely support your right to do so. However there really was no chance of the authorities allowing any protest today when 2 billion people were watching. The poor saps must have been aware of that and were a little naive if they didn't.
I didn't watch it
Instead I watched the World Snooker Championship and two great semi finals and listened to some great music from 2011 especially The Dutch Uncles album Cadenza which gets better with every listen and does make me feel proud to be British
I did watch it
and bought 'Cadenza' in the cheery mood I was in after. (So far, so good.)
sod pippa....
Give me Michaela tabb anyday. (I'm avoiding a crude snooker double entendre)
I was left reflecting upon the fact
that I was damn lucky to have been born in this country, in this century, with all the weight of history to stand upon and marvel at.
You could hear a pin drop in the village pub as the service unfolded, and we all watched the big plasma TV, balanced on a small table on top of another table, swaying gently in front of the fireplace. A cheer went up as they left the Abbey, then everyone piled into the back room to grab their ploughman's lunch, before the balcony moment, and another round of cheers.
Once the Royal party had retreated inside Buck House for their fizz and canapes, we all trooped out into the car park for a round of team games (pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey, hoopla, wellie wanging and so on) while the North Somerset Accordion Group launched into a medley of their favourite choons back in the saloon bar for the less mobile members of the gathered throng.
There's a hog roast and a disco this evening, with more lunacy to come. I'm very glad it's Saturday in the morning.
nice one mush
you've made me come over all homesick like.
My god
Is it still the fifties where you live ? (apart from disco)
ahem
Plasma TV?
The Vulpes family
gets ready to enjoy the big day...
Perfick!
:)
Mr fox.
Are you on David cameron's payroll?
Ummm...
...having had one or two rather frank exchanges of views with Mr V, I believe that that is somewhat, uh, unlikely.
But it's a nice thought.
Front row, second from right
Boo Hewerdine - The Larkin Years
I'm proud to British too,
but it's got bugger all to do with the wedding and everything to do with the poor saps who got arrested yesterday who were planning to continue our fine tradition of protest against inherited privilege
Still!
;-)
Pretty much
I was popping in and out while it was on and was impressed with the BBC coverage. Simon Schama as part of their team helped, with facts and analysis that didn't dip too much into superlative sentiment.
Like almost all here too, I thought it rather comforting to see so many people getting so enthusiastic about something with no apparent rancour or cynicism.
Quite a spectacle very well broadcast. For as long as it held my attention anyway.
I meant to mention
Simon Schama and Malcolm Ross, they were wonderfully intelligent, informative and insightful a great shout by the BBC.
Schama-rama
I think he gets carried away sometimes. At one point, he said that there was a place for silence and solemnity and the service had those moments. Then he said something like "it was solemnity for the people". That's when I turned over to Philip Schofield.
Very little
Travelled back from Sheffield to Cambridge - broken by a pleasant stroll round Stamford - and you have to say (the odd pub aside) nobody is celebrating...no sign of a street party, shindig, right royal knees-up or naffink...having said that I was half expecting a "Stuff the royal wedding" gathering in Sheffield but no - shame really as I remember "Stuff the jubilee" in Weston Park reasonably fondly. Caught some of it on the TV but just thought "posh people"...
You mean Guy Richie is posh?
Who'd a thought it? :-)
I wasn't
going to watch, but did, and very enjoyable it was. Sorry to all the yah-boo views, but it was a spectacularly well-organised display of pomp and circumstance, and I bet the world loved it. As to possible protests being squashed, I'm all for that. Wrong occasion for the smash-and-burn brigade to be allowed out. They can wait until the next G8/G20 summit. Oh, and Pippa Middleton has a fabulous arse.
Ahhh..yes, Pippa
Even my GLW was wondering what she had on underneath as there was no VPL. I think an entire nation of men collectively went(in best Leslie Phillips attempt)"Ding Dong" when they saw her.
I was also enchanted by Princess Beatrice's Cleavage which seemed to be strategically placed behind Her Maj.
Watched the day unfold. Loved it. We do pomp like no-other country. Thought the service was frightful and the emphasis upon the child-bearing stuff a bit much. But that's my problem, obviously.
Blimey...
Is she some kind of contortionist?
The talents of
the young Princess are not to be discussed here (ahem).
When William is with both Kate and Pippa
the word "threesome" has to have crossed his mind, future King or no future King.
At this point..........
.........the thread is starting to resemble Alan Clarks diaries
Beckham
This morning he looked remarkably like Ricky Gervais.....
More lookalikes
Elton John looked remarkably like Vic Reeves rubbing his thighs.
OK, is it just me??
Miriam Margolyes first words to Stephen Fry anyone?
Hello Stephen.....
....I dont suppose you have any dental floss in your pocket do you?
I didn't see it
But I saw the pictures and that Aston Martin was spectacular. As was the bride's sister's arse in that tight dress.
David Beckham handsome?
Don't know about the wedding but his dress sense/hairstyle etc. compared to William (and even the Prime Minister!) at the World Cup bid was, in comparison, dire.
Truly dire.
Can you see his good looks past that?
My observation on the big day?
Everyone on the tube and in Richmond seemed really happy.
We should do it every Friday.
I loved it.
Turned the TV on at 8am, and found myself fascinated by the whole thing. Dipped in and out during the morning, then watched seriously from 10.30ish onwards.
Started blubbing as soon as I saw Kate being driven to the service - 1) she looked staggeringly beautiful 2) I cry at anything even slightly happy.
Enjoyed telling my little daughter throughout "This is just like Mummy and Daddy's wedding, except we had more people at ours, and ours was a bit grander".
(My other current delight is to tell her that the windows in the car are voice activated. Then I can sit, chortling to myself, and discreetly operating the buttons as she delightedly commands the windows to "Open! Close a bit, that's too far")
Only mild bummer of the day was going for a walk round the neighbourhood, and coming across a street party. They were having such a great time, I was rather sorry I didn't get off my bum and organise one for our road.
Considering my trip abroad was cancelled
I was able to watch the event AND twitter about it at the same time. If anyone wants a good laugh, read Danny Baker's hilarious take on the event on Twitter @prodnose.
Examples...
Shuffling toward Abbey. Why they require us to be here TWO HOURS before kick off is beyond me. Just saw the Akond Of Swat.
Jan Molby shooting across to hot dog kiosk over Square. Do I want anything? Is there time? Just saw Marquessa Of Hale
Nobody seems to know what to do now, we're just milling about outside Abbey. Think Paul Daniels has his car. Might get lift to reception.
Edit: whoops. Did not see the earlier blog post on Danny. Nevermind.
Point of Law?
Am I not correct in thinking that if my wife and I drove around in our car without our seat belts on AND in front of several hundred police men and women we would be stopped and probably fined? How then can can Wills and Kate get away with it?!?!?!
Not only that
The ejector seat didn't work.
Also noticed that the Car
carrying Kate didn't have any number plates front or back. Try doing that on our roads without getting nicked!!
That beautiful Aston Martin DB6 Volante
did have one of its original 1970/71 "J" number plates on the front and a joke plate on the back.
It would also have had seatbelts fitted from new (that was a legal requirement in the UK from 1967), but as you say the road was closed, so it's not an issue.
Only 140 of these Volante (convertible) DB6s were made, this one from 1970/71, the last year of production.
does make me smile
when some BBC smarmy lick spittle tells us that the Royals are "very Green" because this Aston martin has been specially converted to lead-free eco fuel. This was at wedding were the flowers got delivered by a forklift, that had military fly past and from a family with their own private air liner.
An old car like that Aston Martin
would not have been fitted with seat belts at manufacture and I'm not sure if there's anything in law to say that a classic car has to be modified as such. Also as the roads from the Palace to Clarence House were all closed to the public, does this not effectively make it a private road? Happy to be proven wrong.
My old Land-Rover still doesn't have any seat belts
and doesn't need them fitted because of it's age.
and my Land Rover has got belts fitted,
but I never bother with them anyway.
Hmmmm
Tough guy eh?
Let's Hope
if he's involved in a serious accident he's as lucky as I was, many years ago.
Front seat passenger and not wearing seatbelt. Driver spun car taking bend too fast and we went through a telegraph pole (left the top half hanging on the wires) and rolled a few hundred feet down a field, coming to rest the right way up with a 6ft piece of pole wedged under the car.
Whiplash and bruising only to all occupants due to the fact the car hit the telegraph pole while travelling backwards. The driver's 3-year-old daughter was thrown out of the back window (which popped out intact on impact) and landed safe on the grass verge with just a lump on her head and a stiff neck.
I -always- wear my seatbelt since that lucky escape.
Nope.
It's just that when you have two fat bastard horses in the trailer you rarely exceed 25 miles per hour, and it's also very important to be able to squint back through the trailer window from time to time, which is impossible if using a seat belt.
It's also useful if you have to leap from the vehicle quickly to face up to some irate petrol headed twat who has been stuck behind you for more than two minutes and has managed to overtake you only to stop in the middle of the carriageway and now wishes to remonstrate with you for not pulling over for the last mile and a half. Insolent peasants need to be dealt with swiftly; I find a sharp kick to the 'nads does the trick, followed by dragging the side of the Rice down their offside paintwork as I drive away.
How can they get away with it ?
Because the law that applies to you & me doesnt apply to them silly.
Whether
the road was closed or not, you would have thought that the symbolic significance of William, of all people, not having a seat belt on may have have resonated a little more.
It's 9.20pm
and I am proud to say I haven't seen a single second of it.
I have been in Camden buying Frank Zappa and blues records, eating like a lord and drinking like a lord's aunt.
I will not be switching on a TV for about a year or when I know all of the reruns have finished and it's finally dropped off the news, whichever comes first.
Now, can Britain move on? AV next, hurrah, I'm organising a street party for that.
As much as I unexpectedly
enjoyed the parts that I saw - shopping for Blues and Zappa does sound like a more attractive proposition.Might plan that for the next Royal Wedding or Royal Divorce.
Mixed thoughts really
In our house there have generally been two schools of thought regarding the royal wedding. The girls have fed into the romance of it all and are fascinated by princesses and all that tosh, whilst I have been largely of the view that as I wasn't invited it was a terrible waste of money. Why then, has it been me and the boy that have spent the morning glued to the TV while the girls have been otherwise entertained?
Hmm, Pippa!
Here's a prediction
Pippa Middleton's live will change after today even more than here sisters. The cameras will all be on her now. She's Margaret to Kate's Elizabeth.
If you start typing "Pippa Middleton" into Google...
the auto-complete helpfully suggests that you might be looking for "Pippa Middleton arse".
And her bum already has its own fan page on Facebook.
Wow.
Very pleasant in the bunker
..and have managed to avoid all coverage today with the exception of the late news. One of the key reasons for my abstention is because I really don't want the "watching World" to think this is "what we (presumably the UK) are about." There's no doubt we can organise an event like this probably better than anywhere else in the world, but wouldn't it really be better if we were commended for something with more lasting value? Some of the overromanticising that's accompanied today has frankly left me cringeing. I'm hoping the rest of the world gets a different slant on us and what Britain means in the modern era around the summer of 2012.
In terms of morale boosting,
the Royal Wedding was the best thing to happen to Britain since Stavros Flatley.
Lasting value?
The monarchy and associated ceremonials have lasted a thousand years - that's pretty 'lasting' by my reckoning.
Syphilis
still just has the edge.
But this *is* what we are all about.
And it's way beyond lucre, which is why the rest of the planet watches it and wishes it had it. It doesn't matter how dripping with cash any regime on the globe becomes as economies rise and fall, they still can't buy a millennium of history.
1) Enjoyed the trees in the
1) Enjoyed the trees in the Abbey and the high camera shots
2) Loved that the important people returned to the Palace by carriage whilst the unimportant people came in a fleet of executive mini-coaches
3) Pippa Middleton was really fit and slim & made her sister look quite 'normal-sized' for once
4) I felt sorry for that presenter squashed into the Lancaster bomber who we couldn't hear at all. BBC don't do it - it's not needed!
5) Thought Kate's dress was fantastic and William looked pretty dapper too
6) Every time William saluted - Kate looked down. Perfectly choreographed.
7) Intriqued by the way the Police allowed the crowd to gradually come down the Mall to form up in front of the Palace. Kettling in reverse.
And finally the Queen's carriage which bucked like mad when she and Phil the Greek climbed in.
Thought the whole thing was great and a great advert for Great Britain!
Wedding made me feel un-British
I find it profoundly depressing that the British sense of well-being and community spirit is linked to an institution of enormous power and privilege, especially in these cash-strapped times.
They do seem to be a decent couple and, yes, Westminster Abbey is lovely, but the whole ceremony is like some ye olde theme park. Someone commented that Britain 'does pomp very well'. Well, whoop-di-doo! Is that all we've got to be proud about?
I read today that some neighbours were meeting for the first time at street parties. If a royal wedding is the only way they are going to meet, that's a wretched indictment of our communities and Britishness.
I really thought the reaction to this wedding would be different after the blanket coverage of Diana's wedding and funeral, with the media more fragmented and attitudes to the monarchy cooling.
But the sheep-like conformity in the media and most of the public returned. Why weren't protesters allowed? At least they would have been representative of a sizeable minority in this country.
(By the way, how did the police know about a 'guillotine plot?' Another informer perhaps?)
If it ain't broke don't fix it!
I have for many years tutted at the institutions you speak of and made my republican credentials quite clear. But over the last few years I've changed my mind.
When you look around at non monarchist countries there is nobody I'd swap the Queen for.
How long do you think Pippa Middleton would have stayed in that dress had old Berlisconi slithered up along side of her?
George Bush anyone? Putin?
Ok we're going to have a few years of lunacy when Chazza takes the throne and we're sent back to the days of the Sun King but I'd rather that than some oily politician shmoozing his way to the Presidency every five years!
President Cameron anyone???
More like
President Blair. *shudder*
'Is pomp all we have to be proud of'............
erm.....it's 2011.....erm.....the English cricket team at a push.....but yes, in 2011 'pomp' is 'all we've got to be proud of'.
I really can't think of anything else.
Music. No.
Fashion. No.
Film. No.
Manners. No.
The Economy. No.
Foreign Policy. No.
Health service. No.
Education. Absolutely and utterly no.
Do all the detractors not like 'colour'?
The alternatives to the pomp of yesterday always seem so colourless and dull to me.
It's glib to knock such an occasion and it seems to me that the winners were the people around the country who were smiling yesterday.
God knows we are all going to have plenty of opportunities to be dragged back down in the next weeks and months ahead.
Precisely
The Queen's not such a bad old girl and is savvy enough to know her place in the modern world. I don't think Charles or Will are likely to cause any trouble either. They'd never be allowed to by the people who -really- run our monarchy.
I too shudder to think what some elected politician as head of state would entail. I mean, just look at the ones we've got. Would you want -any- of them as president?
Well I thought it all went off very well.
What a nice day. Didn't Kate look lovely? Well I thought she did. What a shame Will didn't ask her a couple of years back before his hair started to go. And Harry? He is a one. Just because his brother's going a bit thin doesn't mean he can show off. He's an officer. A short back and sides should be what he wears. Just because he's trying to catch the eye of that Pippa. And a right one she is. Going to her sister's wedding with nothing on underneath with all the cameras on her. I ask you. Wouldn't have happened in my day..
Harry Seems to Have liked
Pippa's Bum as well:
Harry always seems a bit shifty
to my mind/
"I say, who is that ravishing creature...?"
Price Harry 30 years from now...
Not half as shifty as he and his mates used to look
in the back bar of the Rattlebones when they'd just scored a lid of good grass. Allegedly.
I *have* had a drink
But I thought the whole thing was f**king magnificent. And Pippa. Blimey. Yes.
Don't give up so easily Gordon
.."Ok we're going to have a few years of lunacy when Chazza takes the throne and we're sent back to the days of the Sun King but I'd rather that than some oily politician shmoozing his way to the Presidency every five years! President Cameron anyone???"
Johann Hari addressed this point with great clarity a couple of weeks ago when he said: "We have also invented a strange series of mental tics to protect the monarchy. Mention a republic and lots of people give the Pavlovian snap-back: "Hah! So you want President Thatcher do you? President Blair?" There is an odd assumption behind this. Did the presence of a hereditary monarch stop Thatcher or Blair doing anything they wanted to do? No. Nothing. Did it even stop them acquiring regal airs? No. Obviously not. This is simply an instinctive spasm of deference - don’t trust us with picking the leaders! Make sure there’s an aristocrat watching over us, stopping us getting funny ideas! How have these notions lingered in our national DNA for so long?"
He goes on to say that in most countries, parents can take some comfort from the fact they can tell their children that if they work hard they might grow up to be their head of state, whereas in the UK, this is decided by one factor alone: birthright. "The US head of state grew up with a mother on food stamps. The British head of state grew up with a mother on postage stamps. Is that a contrast that fills you with pride?"
On other threads
Young anthony blair has been given a right kicking.
I would rather have him as President than this lot.
I will get my lightweight summer jacket.
It's different here
"The US head of state grew up with a mother on food stamps. The British head of state grew up with a mother on postage stamps. Is that a contrast that fills you with pride?"
Actually it does, Our head of state is above politics and it's the Prime Minister that holds the power here and can climb the slippery slope from the food stamps.
It's not a coincidence when Spain got rid of Franco after he popped his clogs they went back to King Carlos (why does that sound like a ska singer?) for stability.
The birthright thing strangely is a good thing. From an early age they know what they are going to become and over the last couple of hundred years it has been pretty successful, except for the odd loony!!
If we are to have the hereditary principal
why stop at the royals (I can't see why Bobby Moore's kids aren't England captains and Elton's Son should be top of the pops) and also I want to start seeing some DNA test results
From outside Gormenghast's walls.
Still haven't seen any footage of "My Betters" having a high old time of it at the peasants expense. Nice to see that obsequious flag waving at their tax dodging superiors is still considered patriotic amongst those that are more than happy to think of themselves as lesser beings.
was it a "national" celebration though?
I genuinely wasn't that bothered with the wedding yesterday so went for a long walk mainly to try a snap the blue bells before they die back.
On my walk I passed through an ex mining village,a big slightly down at heel council estate , a large estate of newish executive private homes (the sort with new cars and caravanettes on the drive and double carriages etc) and an older rural village with a 17cth church flying the union flag and Geoff Boycott's old house and finally a very well to do hamlet full of gated homes through the gates of which you could peek Aston-Martin's and those bespoke kid's tree houses that cost several grand. The only evidence of a national celebration in this fairly broad cross section of our countries people was one house with a few strings of buntin. I saw nor heard any street parties or any garden parties, I wasn't stopped in the street by people wearing stupid hats I didn't even see any of those pull out and keep "gawd bless the Queen" posters the Mirror etc print up in people's front windows. The odd shop had a few strings of buntin in their windows apart from that it seemed like another day. Especially if you compare it to say the world cup or Halloween etc.
So I'm sure the media especially the BBC will tell us it was a big coming together and a national celebration but it all seemed a bit muted. I'd expected the odd peel of bells and a hog roast outside a country pub, the people in the shops I went into didn't mention it and the talk in the woods was mainly of bluebells and the daftness of lurchers.
It's surprising how these narrative get set up so easily and are often contrary to our own experience of events.
Completely agree Chris G.
We cycled through a large part of rural Lincolnshire yesterday including two RAF towns and apart from some bunting outside the cafe we stopped at in one of these towns there was barely a trace of this so called 'national occasion'.
Made me reflect on the fact that the BBC & other media should be FORCED to get their arses out of London and really see what the rest of the country thinks about these things. They'd get a bloody shock!
likewise
I drove through Liverpool yesterday - didnt see any sign of a royal wedding being celebrated.
My stroll through Portsmouth yesterday.
Lots of street parties. Lots of families having fun. Gunwharf Quays had a HUGE street party going on, (not a proper street party because it isn't a proper street but the effort was made. Trestle tables, sarnies, sticky buns, jugs of squash) loads of people dressed up and enjoying themselves.
The houses where I live were all flying Union flags.
If it wasn't for the TV coverage
There was nothing going on where I live that would have made you aware that there was a Royal Wedding. Aside from a couple of pubs with bunting...nothing.
We had a full English Breakfast at Grindleford Cafe, followed by a walk up Padley Gorge, over Carl Wark and Higger Tor and back via Burbage and Longshaw. We were grateful for the wedding for giving us a nice quiet day in the countryside.
I enjoyed the whole thing
I thought the service was particularly good, the music, the choir, the sermon. It made me proud to be British.
Having said that, this made me laugh out loud. It may contravene site rules. It may even be treasonable, so apologies in advance.
The caption reads: Perhaps that third balcony kiss was one too many

Treasonable?
Probably not. Photoshopped? Certainly.
Not at all
Watch the footage of the day, whoever caught that was quick on the shutter, she literally bent down quickly to pick something up then stood. A moment well caught.
Did anyone else
notice toward the end of the wedding service when the Lord Bishop of London said something like "I'm reminded of a pithy quote" and then proceeded read out a religious text that was hundreds of words long, thus rewriting the meaning of the word "pithy" at a stroke.
Taking the pith
Yes, I think it was a quote from Chaucer -it really wasn't powerful enough to warrant the build up, or the obvious amusement enjoyed by the Bishop of London. Had to be there. Simon Schama probably enjoyed it though.
Ah yes
it was Chaucer, you're quite right.
I was starting to flag by that point in the service. There are only so many pointed references to God and his divine mercy one can take without glazing over.
Still, Jerusalem sounded great as always, didn't it?
Speaking as an atheist Scot
I have to admit falling in love with "Jerusalem", judging by that rendition.
I prefer it accompanies by a BIG organ (fnarr fnarr)
rather than a horn section.
The Bish also said (at the start)
how important it was that marriage was to be undertaken "discreetly" - how many viewers again? (even it wasn't quite 2 billion)
Hey!
Don't go bashing the Bishop!
Good post Dave.
To paraphrase Half Man Half Biscuit:
'It's Clichéd to be Cynical about the Royal Wedding'
Two Billion Viewers
I don't doubt that lots of people watched and enjoyed the wedding. But the figure of 2 billion viewers which has now been accepted by virtually by all the media, even before the wedding took place, seems to have been made up. I just heard on the radio that in the UK there were 25 million viewers on ITV and BBC - so less than half the UK population.
I didn't mind the Royal Wedding, but it's the way so many journalists never question the figures that are handed out to them that is exasperating. The article linked to below is interesting on how bogus so many viewing figures are, particularly for sports events, and including the Royal Wedding. It is based on a study which, for example:
"looked at how claims of a 1bn global audience for the Super Bowl were wrong (100m was closer), how a claim of a 2bn audience for the Winter Olympics of 2006 was more than 1.9bn OTT (reality: 87m), and how a claim of a 1.5bn audience for the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony in Melbourne was wrong by a factor of 300 – actually 5m were watching!"
http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2011/04/26/sincere-good-wishes-to-wi...
Indeed
A "global audience of two billion" is playing with language to the point of lying. In theory, two billion people could watch it, if they wanted to. Which is a similar audience to the You Tube footage of me picking my nose.
The Story
is the important thing when you are a journalist. That's what sells the paper/pulls in the viewers/gets the website hits.
If the facts don't fit the story, change them or omit them.
It said nothing to me about my life
The whole thing left me cold, and the quasi-Diana fervour just struck me as a bit pathetic.
If that spectacle is what 'Britishness' is about, then I guess I'm just not very British.
"Pathetic."
Couldn't you just say you weren't interested without affecting a tone of superiority?
Hmmm.
As most of this thread has been about how Britian trumps the world when it comes to pomp, pageantry & history I'd say the tone of superiority was very much with the pro-monarchy camp on this one. I still haven't seen a second of it but have gleaned from this thread, the Internet in general & conversation with friends that the brides sister has a decent arse. Pleased to see the whole shebang wasn't a complete waste of our money then and I expect to see said arse on the front of FHM next week. Still, makes you proud to be British eh?
How on earth...
is someone having a different opinion from yours acting superior?
Dissent is not an option, eh?
Wilful misreading.
It was the use of the word "pathetic", as you well know.
I honest to God...
fail to see how his finding it "pathetic" is acting superior.
I found it quaint and expensive to the taxpayer so God alone knows how you would see me then.
My wife loved it, I avoided it and others wanted to celebrate it or God forbid protest it. There is room for all opinions and accusing me of "wilful misreading" is untrue, as I did not "well know".
Obviously I'm not as good in reading between the lines as you obviously are.
Anyway ,it would be churlish to wish the happy couple anything but good luck and at least we got a day off. (out of interest i wonder what that cost the economy)
Cost.
Apparently £20 million. I also read that it's estimated to bring in an extra £2 bn in tourist revenue, though. Not sure how accurate those figures are (Wikipedia).
And if you're telling me that if I called you pathetic for expressing enthusiasm for an interest of yours which I didn't share, and you wouldn't think I was being a supercilious condescending git, well, I'm at a loss. Most would.
Probably about as accurate as the 2 bn viewers who watched it.
Ie. Not very (see Melville's comment above).
re: the pathetic comment. Lando didn't actually call anyone pathetic, re read it, he was simply making a (perfectly valid) comment on the over the top fervour.
It strikes me as funny how people will believe just about anything that they are fed about this event. Are we really that stupid?
Evidently not
I did find the fawning pathetic. I didn't think it automaticaly made me superior though; I have faults of my own.
Fawning
Oh yes, there was plenty of fawning on display the other day.
Almost as much as we see on the Word Blog, in fact (he said half-jokingly).
Now if only...
you were DH or FL I'd give you an up arrow for that.
Brilliant!
I'll give you one instead
You've met the Massive's collective goat...
now meet his cousin*, the Massive's collective Fawn!
Image: Tom Curtis / FreeDigitalPhotos.net
Cute, isn't he?
*this may not actually be biologically plausible.
Eddy
I wonder who he borrowed the uniform from?
Eddie - WTF?
Not paid a lot of attention to the Royal Wedding, but your post got my attention Clive.
Why was he wearing uniform ? He is a failed bootneck, he never qualified.
If I had failed my military training 2 things would have happened.
1)- I would not have been entitled to wear the uniform
2)- I would have been too embarrassed to have worn it knowing I had not earned the right to do so.
He should have worn top hat & tails.
What was he thinking? Where was his pride?
Uniform
I believe he's entitled to wear the uniforms of seven or eight different UK and foreign regiments, as he has honorary military positions with those regiments. I can appreciate the irony of this given his own military record, and I'd rather he wore civvies, but he is entitled.
Edward holds the following honorary ranks*
- Royal Honorary Colonel of the Royal Wessex Yeomanry
- Royal Colonel of the 2nd Battalion, The Rifles
- Honorary Air Commodore Royal Air Force Waddington
- Commodore-in-Chief of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary
Personally, I'm surprised he's not embarrassed to hold these ranks given his military record but I guess it's part of his day job.
(* according to that Wikipedia)
Eddie...
It took me about four reads of this to work out Who The F*** you guys were talking about.
The forgotten prince.
Isn't he the....
"nudge nudge" theatrical Prince.
Wink, wink...
But seriously, he has the same status in the Royal Family that theatre has in Britain. Routinely ignored by most people.
So, good analogy.
Steady Eddie
But seriously, he has the same status in the Royal Family that theatre has in Britain. Routinely ignored by most people.
And publicly funded too.
Well, he certainly organised the very theatrical
"It's a Royal Knockout" in 1987...
Burying bad news...
Did anyone else catch the announcement that the Govt slashing expenditure on the NHS which came to light yesterday?
http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/04/30/new-tory-plans-to-starve-the-nhs...
I know Labour did this type of thing as well, but the ramifications are massive.
Bread and circuses?
God Save 'er Indoors
I noticed Prince Phillip singing away during God Save The Queen, the temptation for him to change the words must at times be irresistable.
I also noticed The Queen not singing along. I've always wondered what goes through her mind when that is playing, and she's heard it thousands of times in the past fifty years and always with masses of people staring at her. It must make her feel very uncomfortable, although she's probably used to it by now.
Funny isn't it?
When I jotted down these random views I thought the Fearne Cotton one might get things ticking but nothing was forthcoming. The cross section of views here never fails to amaze me, I'm still happier with a Royal Family because I really can't bear the thought of the alternative. Do I think they're better than me? No. Do I think they're different? Yes. To be honest they're welcome to it, I'm not sure I want that kind of privilege and expectation. William and Harry are the best thing to happen to The Royal Family for a long time, possibly ever. Despite all the paraphernalia, the well done pomp and the decadence there were moments, for me at least, that were touchingly normal. I just want to know if Harry did have a crack at Pippa and whether he asked Chelsea to join in.
Me? His Royal Highness Prince Henry Of Wales,
alone, with the sister of the bride? At 3 in the morning? With my reputation? Bingo!
I've given you
an 'up', R-D, because I laughed out loud when I saw this.
OK, I'll bite.
Fearne Cotton IS the devil.
Happy now? ;-)
Has anyone else read this little piece of information
http://tyrannyoftradition.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/venom-singer-saddened...
Now THAT's a real shame. I suppose every family has at least one "barmy" relative, but c'mon. This is the man who gave the world Black Metal!
Sorry but
I'm afraid that's almost certainly a hoax - they've got the bride's mother's name completely wrong?
Brilliant if it was true, and of course it sounds so bizarre that a little piece of your brain does think "I wonder ..."!
Mmm
This exchange in the comments gives it away as a hoax:
It's still a funny blog tho!
Some oberservations.....
Fishing Ospreys at Rutland Water. That's a good way to spend a Royal Wedding day.
Listened to the service on the radio and noted the excellent choice of hymns. The current GLW had two of them at out own rather less grand but hugely enjoyable wedding back in 1988 (not Jerusalem - the other two). But why did they have to spoil it all by having the National Dirge at the end?
The rousing music
played as the happy couple were leaving the Abbey.
I don't know what it's called, but it sounded exactly like it belonged in the opening scene of a movie about Henry VIII, just as he's riding over the crest of a hill with Hampton Court coming into view.
It's "Crown Imperial"
by William Walton, my favourite piece of classical music, which I first discovered oddly enough at William's parents wedding:
http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/that-bit-song#comment-114301
Thank you sir!
(or madam).
That's magical.
Off to track it down on CD now.
(Edit)
Turns out I already had it on a Walton CD British Composers (EMI) along with Orb & Sceptre, Spitfire Prelude & Fugue and lots of other stirring stuff performed by the RPO, conducted by Sir Charles Groves.
A query.
Now, I know Gordon Brown & Tony Blair are not the 2 most popular people on this site, & I can understand a section of people who post here (If I could only think of a collective noun....) not liking either of them.
I think that for whatever reason, the 2 of them not being invited is a snub of the highest order. Surely, as former prime ministers, then they should have been there.
I cant be the only person who thinks that way can I ?
(BTW, on the same point, the DM & DT have been revelling in them not being invited)
I believe there was a genuine reason
(albeit one which people may or may not like), namely that neither is a Knight of the Garter (ooer).
Personally I'd have been happier, not if they'd invited B&B, but if they'd also excluded John Major. Just because he was dreadful (IMHO of course).
that's spurious
nonsense frankly it was a deliberate establishment snub. when you consider who else was invited. It didn't show the royals or Tories in a good light. This nonsense that it wasn't a state occasion doesn't wash either anything with half the army outside araf fly past and the Queen in attendence is a state occasion.
The KG point is totally relevant,
there's a protocol for these occasions and, presumably, it was followed in this case.
You might do better to ask why Blair and Brown weren't created KG upon their retirement as I believe is customary with Prime Ministers.
this is another myth of Monarchy
that these ceremonies are steeped in age old protocol in fact most of them are made up as they go along as new events etc spring up.
For instance there will be "protocols" for the Queen's speech but these only came about and evolved with radio/tv. But because the Royals/media spin it as such we pretend these events/the Monarchy are un-changing. They change as the country changes often a few steps behind and occasionaly in front but always changing and adapting. Protcol is basically how the Queen's done something once.
Did Dennis Compton get invited to The Queen's wedding or the Beckham equivalent to Princess Margaret's? I'll bet W.G Grace didn't rock up to any of Queen Victoria's kids' marriages let alone Dan Leno or Marie Lloyd.
So pretending it was protocol is spurious, it was a snub.
Such certainty...
Yes, and put very persuasively here.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/royal-revenge-we-had-to-dr...
Indeed...
"The cover story, which had the technical advantage of being true..."
Don't get me wrong, I love the idea that Blair was deliberately snubbed by the Queen but I just think there's too many conspiracy theories kicking around.
So...
It's not true that the Queen snubbed Gordon because he did away with the Royal Yacht (said to be the only time the Queen has cried)? As for Tony, well he banned foxhunting, something all royals love. Plus, he took the 'credit' for 'saving the Royal Family' when Diana died, when only the Queen can take credit for anything.
(All this information is from The Sunday Times)
I'd like to think it was a deliberate snub
for all those reasons, but I remain to be convinced. I have to say though, it's looking more and more like it was deliberate.
I'm afraid I just don't buy any of this
for 5 main reasons:
1. Who even noticed (other than political journalists etc) that there were more Tories than others?
2. Who cared (and in particular how would it affect their voting)?
3. We should honour and remember ex-PMs to the same extent as our ex-boyfriends/girlfriends, ie not much (and certainly not as a matter of course).
4. The main question is why any other than the most representative of current politicos should be there at all - how do think the Happy Couple felt having George Osborne there?
5. Since when did Labour politicians care about being part of a Royal media event?
Actually, I'm re-thinking number 5 ...
I think
John Major was there coz he was given a role to look after Wills and Harry when Diana died.
Not a Knight of the Garter?
Unlike, say, Elton John or David Beckham?
They were, presumably, friends of one of the families
Not something that, presumably, could be said of the Blairs.
Protocol or a snubbing?
"I don't want Blair or Brown there. Granny thinks Gordon's a shitbag and Tony smarmed round us after mum cashed her chips in and I hate him and his wierdo missus. What do we do, Kate?"
"Don't invite the buggers. Leave it to the PR's. They'll come up with some shit about garters or whatever. Anyway. Tell me again. How are we going to stop Harry from trying to shag my sister?"
I take your points
However, I think it was a snub of the highest order.
BTW, is beckham a knight yet? (if not, its only a matter of time)
I missed it....
... due to being unavoidably on a remote island with no telly. Did Jude look nice then?
So what 8 discs did you choose
and how's Kirsty?
No DLT
WTF?
Somewhere an equerry will now slap his forehead
And go "Quack quack oops"
Carwheels
Enjoyed carwheeling verger and doesn't Posh need a sausage roll and told to cheer up!
Much older than a car
It was a Cartwheel
Carwheels
Enjoyed carwheeling verger and doesn't Posh need a sausage roll and told to cheer up!
Well she's got the bun
in the oven, so to speak. When is mini-Posh due?
WAGS (sorry, rant coming...)
I hope Kate's upcoming ubiquity will change young British women's views about how to make the best of yourself and to leave the prevailing role models - WAGS - behind. Seeing Kate and her friends made it so apparent just how awful Cole, Rooney, Gerrard, Beckham, Crouch, Peterson, Jordan and all their new-money vulgarian friends are with their tattoos, hair extensions, boob jobs, fake tans, excessive drinking etc.
Although some would say the Middletons are
also 'new money'
New, they may be.
But they're clearly not nouveau. If you see what I mean.
On yes, I see what you mean...
They're not 'Noovs' :-)
I believe the disparaging term you are looking for is "parvenu"
Applying, of course, to the twenty and thirtsomething females who dedicate themselves to the spray-tan, veneers, extensions, straighteners, Botox, fillers, nips, tucks and silicone and currently dominate the pages of the tawdry gossip-rags, setting an aesthetic ideal for the aspirantes.
Will Kate provide an alternative? I don't know. A bright, well-educated, eloquent, confident, pretty girl with long legs and a fine smile who oozes middle-class entitlement may well be seen by the consumers of the tat-mags as a figure way beyond their dreams of aspiration.
A well balanced
bright, intelligent, beautiful, well educated girl who happens to have lost far too much weight. The shots of her the day after the wedding show a girl bordering on the look of an anorexia sufferer. Different struggle in the face of public glare but a struggle for unreachable perfection none the less, no doubt not helped by her sister grabbing all the headlines. I think we may have our first red top "exclusive" ready to roll. I doubt she vajazzles though.
Emaciated.
A word I forgot to use, Dave. Probably the most important one. You point out Kate's skeletal frame rather wisely, but Kate's sister did nick headlines for the one thing that she herself did not possess.
Buttocks.
Parvenu - yes indeed
Yes, I suspect Kate will seem out of reach to the legions of young women who look to the parvenu for inspiration and aspiration. However, I have a feeling that the magazines they buy are written by women not so different to Kate and they might change the minds of their readership (breath not held).
Not sure about that Dave
I didn't think she was too slim and certainly not "bordering on the look of an anorexia sufferer." Though, as you say, we will certainly find out if you are right.
Isn't she the ultimate WAG?
She is famous for one thing only - marrying a rich and famous man. The media are obsessed with her appearance. And I think we can be sure that if there is the slightest sign of the usual tos and fros in her marriage, it will be "news". Even if she devotes her life to charitable works, in the end the gossip will override that.
Does it matter? I don't know how much people base their lives on what they read about in magazines - perhaps it is just daydreaming like imagining you'll be a film or pop star. But I don't see the coverage of the royal wedding as a sign that there has been a significant change in what has held up to young girls as admirable.
I'm just surprised by the positivity, really
What surprised me about the day was the apparent amount of positive feeling about it, in the run-up it seemed that the media was making a big fuss but the public mood was of indifference. Certainly people my age (late 20s), aside from a few girls back at school fancying William, to my knowledge always found the royals to be a bit of a joke.
I don't think it's clichéd to be anti-Royal or anti-Wedding, as some may suggest. It's just as valid a standpoint as its opposite and a mixture of reason and feeling ensure no small argument would radically change someone's position either way. Personally, given I work in the public sector and I'm starting to see the redundancies kick in, I found those born into privilege waving their riches at the nation to be in pretty poor taste. The idea that it might somehow lift morale just seems absurd. I'm also lost in ideas of how it connects to Britishness and national pride, as aside from perhaps encouraging existing incorrect national stereotypes and feeding the continuous pre-occupation with celebrity, I saw no relationship between the wedding and real life in this country.
I'm also unsure what difference it would make for us to have a President rather than a Prime Minister - isn't it simply name and tradition? I known the Queen has to sign off on new laws, but she doesn't seem to challenge them as far as I know. Is it to do with the House Of Lords? (Again, another unelected body.)
One last odd thing about this weekend
imagine having a wedding so note worthy that the President of USA schedules his extra-judicial executions around it.
Good one Chris, that very same thought...
... occurred to me. No way could it have been on the same day, or the day before, even the day after or any time earlier. Cameron must have known; maybe Sam Cam's hatless head was a signal.
With these such big occasions I do wonder what would happen if the Queen had died the day before, or a big name assassination.
Great Day
My paper at the conference in Alberta went down very well..