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Some observations from the big day

Dave Amitri's picture

1. David Beckham is the worlds most handsome man.
2. Westminster Abbey is a truly stunning building, how did they do that so many years ago? The shots from the top looking down the aisle were wonderful.
3. Trees don't belong in a church.
4. Kate Middleton needs a big dinner.
5. Prince Harry is definitely going to have a pop at Pippa Middleton. I expect he sees it as his duty.
6. Elton John is funny.
7. Fearne Cotton is not the devil, she is very professional.
8. Old aeroplanes are good.
9. I mustn't be so cynical about marriage.
10. The British people are eccentric, patriotic and brilliant, today I am proud to be British.

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And the music! And the language!

Jesus forgive my atheistic soul, but the Book of Common Prayer is so beautiful. Don't suppose most people watching have ever seen or heard a King James Version church service. That's probably why nobody goes.

I'm not generally a royalist or even a great patriot, but I'm with you, Dave.

Oh, and 'er Duchessishness: you bloody would.

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Bob | 29 April 2011 - 5:58pm

Kate Middletons mum.

I would.

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jackthebiscuit | 29 April 2011 - 7:44pm

Any of the Middletons would get it in my book.

Apart from Dad. Well. Unless I'd had a lot to drink. And he asked nicely.

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Lenny Law | 30 April 2011 - 12:21am

There was a steely

look in the eyes of all the Middletons that makes me believe that they are ready for whatever the next stage of their life brings them. They are not to be messed with, their Kate won't go the way of our Diana methinks.

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Dave Amitri | 30 April 2011 - 11:39pm

The Middletons strike me as the personification of

quietly comfortable middle class middle-England, and thats the one demographic no-one messes with.

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stimpy | 1 May 2011 - 11:25am

Indeed.

And with the best *ahem* will in the world, it's hard to paint a picture of desperate social inequality in the UK when the heir to the throne marries the daughter of an air hostess and a man who made a business selling party products on the web...

As Who Do You Think You Are highlights, 'class' is a very fluid thing - Sir Becks of Leytonstone and the A.F.K.A. Reg Dwight of Pinner being two very prominent examples.

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DougieJ | 1 May 2011 - 1:28pm

Including the son? You are

Including the son?

You are indeed a man of broad tastes Mr Law

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sitheref2409 | 1 May 2011 - 2:17am

I cashed in the Apple Credit Card

from my retirement whip round and bought this

Outstanding bass, excellent mid, more than adequate high range, maybe not the best looking device but I'm not going to be staring at it. All this happened because Glasgow was quiet and I got the closest spot to the Apple Store possible. 43 mins in and out.

ta Royal types, can you do it again in August when I go to buy a subwoofer?

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James Blast | 29 April 2011 - 6:00pm

Glasgow was quiet?

Something going on, then?

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mikethep | 29 April 2011 - 8:05pm

A huge punch-up

apparently.

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Lando Cakes | 30 April 2011 - 4:52pm

I had no intention of watching any of it

but have to admit to seeing about an hour from half an hour before arrival at the Abbey, the ceremony and them leaving. It was exceptionally moving and I felt very proud to be British. Not an emotion I expected to be fair.
Slight disagreement though Dave, I thought the trees inside the Abbey looked fantastic.

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Steve Turner | 29 April 2011 - 6:01pm

The Trees

Put there no doubt to give the groom's father someone to talk to.

(confession: not my joke, read it on Twitter earlier but have forgotten who said it. David Quantick's commentwitry was very amusing, though).

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Cadabra | 29 April 2011 - 7:37pm

I'm proud to British too,

but it's got bugger all to do with the wedding and everything to do with the poor saps who got arrested yesterday who were planning to continue our fine tradition of protest against inherited privilege

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IanP | 29 April 2011 - 6:02pm

You Are Not Alone

Though I enjoyed the wedding. But the police seem to have gone in with jackboots stomping all over people's rights again. How to win friends.
This guy has links to reports on several of the police actions:
http://www.blipfoto.com/view.php?id=1120484&month=4&year=2011

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wayfarer | 29 April 2011 - 6:10pm

I've not clicked on the link

Hope it shows some annoying crusties getting a kicking from the Boys In Blue. Violent demonstration against The State can be done but you have to expect that The State will get violent in response.

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Lenny Law | 30 April 2011 - 12:27am

Yeah, that's the way....

an eye for an eye. Bring back hanging as well.
Of course the only way to meet violence is with more violence.
No flaw in that thinking.

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Doug B | 30 April 2011 - 3:22pm

Yeah...

...and your point is?

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kinkywolfgang | 3 May 2011 - 9:34am

I am proud to be

British not proud of the British Police force. However given the mindless violence that we have seen in the capital in the last 6 months and the appetite that certain anarchist groups have for causing mayhem what are they supposed to do?Even the uprising in Egypt was less violent that what has been seen on the streets of London.

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Steve Turner | 29 April 2011 - 7:01pm

What about innocemt

until proven guilty? Arrested once you've actually committed a crime, rather than than just considered making a scene? The right to protest, whatever the desire for a TV set piece? Our freedoms seem a bit vulnerable when it only takes a wedding to see them suspended for dissenters.

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IanP | 29 April 2011 - 7:09pm

Your argument has flaws

The police presence was to stop the potential for a few mindless morons to ruin a great occasion for the majority of people in this country and to show the watching World what we are about. The right to protest is not in dispute, unfortunately to the instigators of such protest this usually means smashing other peoples property and chucking things at passersby and the police. If you think they have the right to do this fine, I don't.

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Steve Turner | 29 April 2011 - 9:08pm

A pensioner

with a model guillotine hardly comes under that description.

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Lando Cakes | 30 April 2011 - 4:54pm

A model guillotine...

...being operated by a man who's already expressed his unconcern about damage to property in the name of protest might, though. He's not just "a pensioner". He's Chris Knight, and he's got form for stirring the pot quite vigorously.

That said, I am uncomfortable with anti-royalist protest being suppressed, or being seen to be suppressed. I think that as long as they weren't going anywhere near the business end of town, they should've been allowed to do their thing.

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Bob | 30 April 2011 - 5:06pm

Ummmmm....

Does it make sense to say that "the right to protest is not in dispute" and then defend the pre-emptive arrest of people who are about to protest on the grounds that they might commit a crime at some point in the day?

Speaking personally, I had no interest in the royal wedding and dislike the royal family. Am I shouting my views from the rooptop? No, that would be churlish. It's a young couple getting married, good luck to them, and it's made a lot of people very happy indeed. Fair play all round.

But we'd do well to remember that loving the royal wedding is only one view. Another is that the event is a waste of taxpayers' money and celebrates a revolting institution that contains some revolting individuals. Whether you agree or not, it's a view held by a large number of people. Just as people should be allowed in the mall to wave their "Wills - marry me instead placards", other should be allowed to publicly protest. It's called respect for other people's views.

Some of those arrested yesterday include people singing anti-royal songs and a group who were simply dressed as zombies. These aren't crimes, and those arrests were a disgrace to us all.

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eminentdan1978 | 30 April 2011 - 6:36pm

I am certainly not

in the Royalist camp nor am I anti. My basic belief is they have no bearing on my life whatsoever and I can take them or leave them. However the argument that they are a drain on the taxpayer is one I am not sure is accurate. They bring an awful lot of tourism to this country and it is patently true that those who don't have a monarchy are those that are most envious. I am not sure it is right to describe individuals within the Royal family as 'revolting'. Who in particular? The Queen? Prince Charles? Princess Anne? I don't think any of them are deserving of such an inappropriate description. Protests against the Royal Family are fine by me but only as long as they are within the law and are not violent. Unfortunately very few public protests in the Capital fall into that category these days.

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Steve Turner | 1 May 2011 - 9:55am

Classic straw man, surely

At no point in my post did I suggest that people should be allowed to protest violently or break the law while doing so.

If those arrested on Saturday had actually been breaking the law then I think we'd all be applauding the police for doing their jobs.

The entire point is that a large number of the arrests in question involved people who weren't being violent and whose only "crime" was to attempt to express a negative view regarding the wedding.

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eminentdan1978 | 1 May 2011 - 10:17am

"To Show The Watching World What We Are About"

I do hope we are "About" a bit more than that. I haven't watched any of it because it holds no interest for me. I don't wish them ill but I couldn't give a toss if we had a royal wedding or not. I went to work and earned some overtime to pay for my car insurance and possibly the new faster laptop I want. The TV stayed off after I got home.

The police in this country are still a damned sight better than most other parts of the world but seem to be heading in a more repressive direction of late, no doubt with encouragement from their political masters of all party persuasions.

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Mike_H | 30 April 2011 - 11:52pm

well they had to nick them....

just in case they committed thought crime.

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Doug B | 30 April 2011 - 3:28pm

I'm genuinely not sure...

That the 'majority' of people in the country were interested, beyond appreciating the extra day off. There was a distinct lack of street parties etc. Despite the government trying desperately to whip up enthusiasm for event and then spinning on how successful it has been 'well we haven't had many applications for street parties but we believe that is due to most of them being held on private land' ahem.....quite.

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art vanderlay | 30 April 2011 - 8:59pm

I think it's a shame

you feel that way but I absolutely support your right to do so. However there really was no chance of the authorities allowing any protest today when 2 billion people were watching. The poor saps must have been aware of that and were a little naive if they didn't.

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Dave Amitri | 29 April 2011 - 7:06pm

I didn't watch it

Instead I watched the World Snooker Championship and two great semi finals and listened to some great music from 2011 especially The Dutch Uncles album Cadenza which gets better with every listen and does make me feel proud to be British

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MrRadio | 29 April 2011 - 6:14pm

I did watch it

and bought 'Cadenza' in the cheery mood I was in after. (So far, so good.)

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Remote Control | 30 April 2011 - 11:05am

sod pippa....

Give me Michaela tabb anyday. (I'm avoiding a crude snooker double entendre)

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Doug B | 30 April 2011 - 3:46pm

I was left reflecting upon the fact

that I was damn lucky to have been born in this country, in this century, with all the weight of history to stand upon and marvel at.

You could hear a pin drop in the village pub as the service unfolded, and we all watched the big plasma TV, balanced on a small table on top of another table, swaying gently in front of the fireplace. A cheer went up as they left the Abbey, then everyone piled into the back room to grab their ploughman's lunch, before the balcony moment, and another round of cheers.

Once the Royal party had retreated inside Buck House for their fizz and canapes, we all trooped out into the car park for a round of team games (pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey, hoopla, wellie wanging and so on) while the North Somerset Accordion Group launched into a medley of their favourite choons back in the saloon bar for the less mobile members of the gathered throng.

There's a hog roast and a disco this evening, with more lunacy to come. I'm very glad it's Saturday in the morning.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 29 April 2011 - 6:15pm

nice one mush

you've made me come over all homesick like.

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Sid Williams | 29 April 2011 - 8:08pm

My god

Is it still the fifties where you live ? (apart from disco)

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dai | 29 April 2011 - 9:07pm

ahem

Plasma TV?

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Vulpes Vulpes | 30 April 2011 - 5:33pm

The Vulpes family

gets ready to enjoy the big day...

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Ruff-Diamond | 30 April 2011 - 5:33pm

Perfick!

:)

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Vulpes Vulpes | 30 April 2011 - 5:52pm

Mr fox.

Are you on David cameron's payroll?

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art vanderlay | 30 April 2011 - 8:05pm

Ummm...

...having had one or two rather frank exchanges of views with Mr V, I believe that that is somewhat, uh, unlikely.

But it's a nice thought.

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kinkywolfgang | 3 May 2011 - 9:40am

Front row, second from right

Boo Hewerdine - The Larkin Years

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skirky | 30 April 2011 - 9:18pm

I'm proud to British too,

but it's got bugger all to do with the wedding and everything to do with the poor saps who got arrested yesterday who were planning to continue our fine tradition of protest against inherited privilege

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IanP | 29 April 2011 - 6:17pm

Still!

;-)

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Bob | 29 April 2011 - 6:19pm

Pretty much

I was popping in and out while it was on and was impressed with the BBC coverage. Simon Schama as part of their team helped, with facts and analysis that didn't dip too much into superlative sentiment.

Like almost all here too, I thought it rather comforting to see so many people getting so enthusiastic about something with no apparent rancour or cynicism.

Quite a spectacle very well broadcast. For as long as it held my attention anyway.

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Beezer | 29 April 2011 - 6:27pm

I meant to mention

Simon Schama and Malcolm Ross, they were wonderfully intelligent, informative and insightful a great shout by the BBC.

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Dave Amitri | 29 April 2011 - 7:10pm

Schama-rama

I think he gets carried away sometimes. At one point, he said that there was a place for silence and solemnity and the service had those moments. Then he said something like "it was solemnity for the people". That's when I turned over to Philip Schofield.

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Austin | 29 April 2011 - 9:14pm

Very little

Travelled back from Sheffield to Cambridge - broken by a pleasant stroll round Stamford - and you have to say (the odd pub aside) nobody is celebrating...no sign of a street party, shindig, right royal knees-up or naffink...having said that I was half expecting a "Stuff the royal wedding" gathering in Sheffield but no - shame really as I remember "Stuff the jubilee" in Weston Park reasonably fondly. Caught some of it on the TV but just thought "posh people"...

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Morrison | 29 April 2011 - 7:20pm

You mean Guy Richie is posh?

Who'd a thought it? :-)

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stimpy | 29 April 2011 - 7:35pm

I wasn't

going to watch, but did, and very enjoyable it was. Sorry to all the yah-boo views, but it was a spectacularly well-organised display of pomp and circumstance, and I bet the world loved it. As to possible protests being squashed, I'm all for that. Wrong occasion for the smash-and-burn brigade to be allowed out. They can wait until the next G8/G20 summit. Oh, and Pippa Middleton has a fabulous arse.

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policybloke1 | 29 April 2011 - 7:40pm

Ahhh..yes, Pippa

Even my GLW was wondering what she had on underneath as there was no VPL. I think an entire nation of men collectively went(in best Leslie Phillips attempt)"Ding Dong" when they saw her.

I was also enchanted by Princess Beatrice's Cleavage which seemed to be strategically placed behind Her Maj.

Watched the day unfold. Loved it. We do pomp like no-other country. Thought the service was frightful and the emphasis upon the child-bearing stuff a bit much. But that's my problem, obviously.

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Grant | 29 April 2011 - 8:24pm

Blimey...

I was also enchanted by Princess Beatrice's Cleavage which seemed to be strategically placed behind Her Maj.

Is she some kind of contortionist?

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Adman | 30 April 2011 - 3:13pm

The talents of

the young Princess are not to be discussed here (ahem).

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Grant | 30 April 2011 - 4:12pm

When William is with both Kate and Pippa

the word "threesome" has to have crossed his mind, future King or no future King.

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Jed Clampett | 29 April 2011 - 8:30pm

At this point..........

.........the thread is starting to resemble Alan Clarks diaries

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southstand | 30 April 2011 - 11:03am

Beckham

This morning he looked remarkably like Ricky Gervais.....

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SimonL | 29 April 2011 - 7:42pm

More lookalikes

Elton John looked remarkably like Vic Reeves rubbing his thighs.

Photobucket

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Archie Valparaiso | 29 April 2011 - 8:29pm

OK, is it just me??

Miriam Margolyes first words to Stephen Fry anyone?

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Sid Williams | 29 April 2011 - 10:45pm

Hello Stephen.....

....I dont suppose you have any dental floss in your pocket do you?

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jackthebiscuit | 30 April 2011 - 10:25am

I didn't see it

But I saw the pictures and that Aston Martin was spectacular. As was the bride's sister's arse in that tight dress.

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Mac45 | 29 April 2011 - 8:26pm

David Beckham handsome?

Don't know about the wedding but his dress sense/hairstyle etc. compared to William (and even the Prime Minister!) at the World Cup bid was, in comparison, dire.
Truly dire.
Can you see his good looks past that?

My observation on the big day?
Everyone on the tube and in Richmond seemed really happy.
We should do it every Friday.

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ranger | 29 April 2011 - 8:31pm

I loved it.

Turned the TV on at 8am, and found myself fascinated by the whole thing. Dipped in and out during the morning, then watched seriously from 10.30ish onwards.

Started blubbing as soon as I saw Kate being driven to the service - 1) she looked staggeringly beautiful 2) I cry at anything even slightly happy.

Enjoyed telling my little daughter throughout "This is just like Mummy and Daddy's wedding, except we had more people at ours, and ours was a bit grander".

(My other current delight is to tell her that the windows in the car are voice activated. Then I can sit, chortling to myself, and discreetly operating the buttons as she delightedly commands the windows to "Open! Close a bit, that's too far")

Only mild bummer of the day was going for a walk round the neighbourhood, and coming across a street party. They were having such a great time, I was rather sorry I didn't get off my bum and organise one for our road.

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Hannah | 29 April 2011 - 8:33pm

Considering my trip abroad was cancelled

I was able to watch the event AND twitter about it at the same time. If anyone wants a good laugh, read Danny Baker's hilarious take on the event on Twitter @prodnose.

Examples...

Shuffling toward Abbey. Why they require us to be here TWO HOURS before kick off is beyond me. Just saw the Akond Of Swat.

Jan Molby shooting across to hot dog kiosk over Square. Do I want anything? Is there time? Just saw Marquessa Of Hale

Nobody seems to know what to do now, we're just milling about outside Abbey. Think Paul Daniels has his car. Might get lift to reception.

Edit: whoops. Did not see the earlier blog post on Danny. Nevermind.

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Beany | 29 April 2011 - 8:50pm

Point of Law?

Am I not correct in thinking that if my wife and I drove around in our car without our seat belts on AND in front of several hundred police men and women we would be stopped and probably fined? How then can can Wills and Kate get away with it?!?!?!

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daff | 29 April 2011 - 8:48pm

Not only that

The ejector seat didn't work.

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Archie Valparaiso | 29 April 2011 - 9:01pm

Also noticed that the Car

carrying Kate didn't have any number plates front or back. Try doing that on our roads without getting nicked!!

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Steve Turner | 29 April 2011 - 9:13pm

That beautiful Aston Martin DB6 Volante

did have one of its original 1970/71 "J" number plates on the front and a joke plate on the back.

It would also have had seatbelts fitted from new (that was a legal requirement in the UK from 1967), but as you say the road was closed, so it's not an issue.

Only 140 of these Volante (convertible) DB6s were made, this one from 1970/71, the last year of production.

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mojoworking | 30 April 2011 - 9:07am

does make me smile

when some BBC smarmy lick spittle tells us that the Royals are "very Green" because this Aston martin has been specially converted to lead-free eco fuel. This was at wedding were the flowers got delivered by a forklift, that had military fly past and from a family with their own private air liner.

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Chris G | 30 April 2011 - 9:44am

An old car like that Aston Martin

would not have been fitted with seat belts at manufacture and I'm not sure if there's anything in law to say that a classic car has to be modified as such. Also as the roads from the Palace to Clarence House were all closed to the public, does this not effectively make it a private road? Happy to be proven wrong.

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heshofcheese | 29 April 2011 - 10:00pm

My old Land-Rover still doesn't have any seat belts

and doesn't need them fitted because of it's age.

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stimpy | 30 April 2011 - 11:50am

and my Land Rover has got belts fitted,

but I never bother with them anyway.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 30 April 2011 - 5:39pm

Hmmmm

Tough guy eh?

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art vanderlay | 30 April 2011 - 9:05pm

Let's Hope

if he's involved in a serious accident he's as lucky as I was, many years ago.

Front seat passenger and not wearing seatbelt. Driver spun car taking bend too fast and we went through a telegraph pole (left the top half hanging on the wires) and rolled a few hundred feet down a field, coming to rest the right way up with a 6ft piece of pole wedged under the car.
Whiplash and bruising only to all occupants due to the fact the car hit the telegraph pole while travelling backwards. The driver's 3-year-old daughter was thrown out of the back window (which popped out intact on impact) and landed safe on the grass verge with just a lump on her head and a stiff neck.

I -always- wear my seatbelt since that lucky escape.

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Mike_H | 1 May 2011 - 12:12am

Nope.

It's just that when you have two fat bastard horses in the trailer you rarely exceed 25 miles per hour, and it's also very important to be able to squint back through the trailer window from time to time, which is impossible if using a seat belt.

It's also useful if you have to leap from the vehicle quickly to face up to some irate petrol headed twat who has been stuck behind you for more than two minutes and has managed to overtake you only to stop in the middle of the carriageway and now wishes to remonstrate with you for not pulling over for the last mile and a half. Insolent peasants need to be dealt with swiftly; I find a sharp kick to the 'nads does the trick, followed by dragging the side of the Rice down their offside paintwork as I drive away.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 3 May 2011 - 6:18pm

How can they get away with it ?

Because the law that applies to you & me doesnt apply to them silly.

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jackthebiscuit | 30 April 2011 - 3:47pm

Whether

the road was closed or not, you would have thought that the symbolic significance of William, of all people, not having a seat belt on may have have resonated a little more.

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Black Type | 1 May 2011 - 10:18am

It's 9.20pm

and I am proud to say I haven't seen a single second of it.

I have been in Camden buying Frank Zappa and blues records, eating like a lord and drinking like a lord's aunt.
I will not be switching on a TV for about a year or when I know all of the reruns have finished and it's finally dropped off the news, whichever comes first.

Now, can Britain move on? AV next, hurrah, I'm organising a street party for that.

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jimmyshoes01 | 29 April 2011 - 9:24pm

As much as I unexpectedly

enjoyed the parts that I saw - shopping for Blues and Zappa does sound like a more attractive proposition.Might plan that for the next Royal Wedding or Royal Divorce.

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Steve Turner | 30 April 2011 - 8:08am

Mixed thoughts really

In our house there have generally been two schools of thought regarding the royal wedding. The girls have fed into the romance of it all and are fascinated by princesses and all that tosh, whilst I have been largely of the view that as I wasn't invited it was a terrible waste of money. Why then, has it been me and the boy that have spent the morning glued to the TV while the girls have been otherwise entertained?

Hmm, Pippa!

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happy harry | 29 April 2011 - 9:27pm

Here's a prediction

Pippa Middleton's live will change after today even more than here sisters. The cameras will all be on her now. She's Margaret to Kate's Elizabeth.

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Captain Underpants | 29 April 2011 - 10:10pm

If you start typing "Pippa Middleton" into Google...

the auto-complete helpfully suggests that you might be looking for "Pippa Middleton arse".

And her bum already has its own fan page on Facebook.

Wow.

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Hannah | 29 April 2011 - 10:28pm

Very pleasant in the bunker

..and have managed to avoid all coverage today with the exception of the late news. One of the key reasons for my abstention is because I really don't want the "watching World" to think this is "what we (presumably the UK) are about." There's no doubt we can organise an event like this probably better than anywhere else in the world, but wouldn't it really be better if we were commended for something with more lasting value? Some of the overromanticising that's accompanied today has frankly left me cringeing. I'm hoping the rest of the world gets a different slant on us and what Britain means in the modern era around the summer of 2012.

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markunderwood | 29 April 2011 - 10:44pm

In terms of morale boosting,

the Royal Wedding was the best thing to happen to Britain since Stavros Flatley.

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Jed Clampett | 29 April 2011 - 10:47pm

Lasting value?

The monarchy and associated ceremonials have lasted a thousand years - that's pretty 'lasting' by my reckoning.

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stimpy | 30 April 2011 - 11:58am

Syphilis

still just has the edge.

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Lando Cakes | 30 April 2011 - 4:58pm

But this *is* what we are all about.

And it's way beyond lucre, which is why the rest of the planet watches it and wishes it had it. It doesn't matter how dripping with cash any regime on the globe becomes as economies rise and fall, they still can't buy a millennium of history.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 30 April 2011 - 5:44pm

1) Enjoyed the trees in the

1) Enjoyed the trees in the Abbey and the high camera shots
2) Loved that the important people returned to the Palace by carriage whilst the unimportant people came in a fleet of executive mini-coaches
3) Pippa Middleton was really fit and slim & made her sister look quite 'normal-sized' for once
4) I felt sorry for that presenter squashed into the Lancaster bomber who we couldn't hear at all. BBC don't do it - it's not needed!
5) Thought Kate's dress was fantastic and William looked pretty dapper too
6) Every time William saluted - Kate looked down. Perfectly choreographed.
7) Intriqued by the way the Police allowed the crowd to gradually come down the Mall to form up in front of the Palace. Kettling in reverse.

And finally the Queen's carriage which bucked like mad when she and Phil the Greek climbed in.

Thought the whole thing was great and a great advert for Great Britain!

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andrewdavidlong | 29 April 2011 - 11:28pm

Wedding made me feel un-British

I find it profoundly depressing that the British sense of well-being and community spirit is linked to an institution of enormous power and privilege, especially in these cash-strapped times.

They do seem to be a decent couple and, yes, Westminster Abbey is lovely, but the whole ceremony is like some ye olde theme park. Someone commented that Britain 'does pomp very well'. Well, whoop-di-doo! Is that all we've got to be proud about?

I read today that some neighbours were meeting for the first time at street parties. If a royal wedding is the only way they are going to meet, that's a wretched indictment of our communities and Britishness.

I really thought the reaction to this wedding would be different after the blanket coverage of Diana's wedding and funeral, with the media more fragmented and attitudes to the monarchy cooling.

But the sheep-like conformity in the media and most of the public returned. Why weren't protesters allowed? At least they would have been representative of a sizeable minority in this country.

(By the way, how did the police know about a 'guillotine plot?' Another informer perhaps?)

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Olthwaite | 30 April 2011 - 12:11am

If it ain't broke don't fix it!

I have for many years tutted at the institutions you speak of and made my republican credentials quite clear. But over the last few years I've changed my mind.
When you look around at non monarchist countries there is nobody I'd swap the Queen for.
How long do you think Pippa Middleton would have stayed in that dress had old Berlisconi slithered up along side of her?
George Bush anyone? Putin?

Ok we're going to have a few years of lunacy when Chazza takes the throne and we're sent back to the days of the Sun King but I'd rather that than some oily politician shmoozing his way to the Presidency every five years!
President Cameron anyone???

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Gordon Kerr | 30 April 2011 - 12:40am

More like

President Blair. *shudder*

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Cadabra | 30 April 2011 - 1:39am

'Is pomp all we have to be proud of'............

erm.....it's 2011.....erm.....the English cricket team at a push.....but yes, in 2011 'pomp' is 'all we've got to be proud of'.
I really can't think of anything else.

Music. No.
Fashion. No.
Film. No.
Manners. No.
The Economy. No.
Foreign Policy. No.
Health service. No.
Education. Absolutely and utterly no.

Do all the detractors not like 'colour'?
The alternatives to the pomp of yesterday always seem so colourless and dull to me.
It's glib to knock such an occasion and it seems to me that the winners were the people around the country who were smiling yesterday.

God knows we are all going to have plenty of opportunities to be dragged back down in the next weeks and months ahead.

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ranger | 30 April 2011 - 7:38am

Precisely

The Queen's not such a bad old girl and is savvy enough to know her place in the modern world. I don't think Charles or Will are likely to cause any trouble either. They'd never be allowed to by the people who -really- run our monarchy.

I too shudder to think what some elected politician as head of state would entail. I mean, just look at the ones we've got. Would you want -any- of them as president?

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Mike_H | 1 May 2011 - 12:33am

Well I thought it all went off very well.

What a nice day. Didn't Kate look lovely? Well I thought she did. What a shame Will didn't ask her a couple of years back before his hair started to go. And Harry? He is a one. Just because his brother's going a bit thin doesn't mean he can show off. He's an officer. A short back and sides should be what he wears. Just because he's trying to catch the eye of that Pippa. And a right one she is. Going to her sister's wedding with nothing on underneath with all the cameras on her. I ask you. Wouldn't have happened in my day..

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Lenny Law | 30 April 2011 - 12:40am

Harry Seems to Have liked

Pippa's Bum as well:

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BigJimBob | 30 April 2011 - 7:43am

Harry always seems a bit shifty

to my mind/

1
Chris G | 30 April 2011 - 9:02am

"I say, who is that ravishing creature...?"

Price Harry 30 years from now...

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Ruff-Diamond | 30 April 2011 - 5:47pm

Not half as shifty as he and his mates used to look

in the back bar of the Rattlebones when they'd just scored a lid of good grass. Allegedly.

0
Vulpes Vulpes | 30 April 2011 - 5:47pm

I *have* had a drink

But I thought the whole thing was f**king magnificent. And Pippa. Blimey. Yes.

1
Bela Legosis Dad | 30 April 2011 - 1:08am

Don't give up so easily Gordon

.."Ok we're going to have a few years of lunacy when Chazza takes the throne and we're sent back to the days of the Sun King but I'd rather that than some oily politician shmoozing his way to the Presidency every five years! President Cameron anyone???"

Johann Hari addressed this point with great clarity a couple of weeks ago when he said: "We have also invented a strange series of mental tics to protect the monarchy. Mention a republic and lots of people give the Pavlovian snap-back: "Hah! So you want President Thatcher do you? President Blair?" There is an odd assumption behind this. Did the presence of a hereditary monarch stop Thatcher or Blair doing anything they wanted to do? No. Nothing. Did it even stop them acquiring regal airs? No. Obviously not. This is simply an instinctive spasm of deference - don’t trust us with picking the leaders! Make sure there’s an aristocrat watching over us, stopping us getting funny ideas! How have these notions lingered in our national DNA for so long?"

He goes on to say that in most countries, parents can take some comfort from the fact they can tell their children that if they work hard they might grow up to be their head of state, whereas in the UK, this is decided by one factor alone: birthright. "The US head of state grew up with a mother on food stamps. The British head of state grew up with a mother on postage stamps. Is that a contrast that fills you with pride?"

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markunderwood | 30 April 2011 - 1:24am

On other threads

Young anthony blair has been given a right kicking.

I would rather have him as President than this lot.

I will get my lightweight summer jacket.

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jackthebiscuit | 30 April 2011 - 10:31am

It's different here

"The US head of state grew up with a mother on food stamps. The British head of state grew up with a mother on postage stamps. Is that a contrast that fills you with pride?"
Actually it does, Our head of state is above politics and it's the Prime Minister that holds the power here and can climb the slippery slope from the food stamps.
It's not a coincidence when Spain got rid of Franco after he popped his clogs they went back to King Carlos (why does that sound like a ska singer?) for stability.
The birthright thing strangely is a good thing. From an early age they know what they are going to become and over the last couple of hundred years it has been pretty successful, except for the odd loony!!

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Gordon Kerr | 30 April 2011 - 10:37am

If we are to have the hereditary principal

why stop at the royals (I can't see why Bobby Moore's kids aren't England captains and Elton's Son should be top of the pops) and also I want to start seeing some DNA test results

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Chris G | 30 April 2011 - 11:10am

From outside Gormenghast's walls.

Still haven't seen any footage of "My Betters" having a high old time of it at the peasants expense. Nice to see that obsequious flag waving at their tax dodging superiors is still considered patriotic amongst those that are more than happy to think of themselves as lesser beings.

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Pencilsqueezer | 30 April 2011 - 7:20am

was it a "national" celebration though?

I genuinely wasn't that bothered with the wedding yesterday so went for a long walk mainly to try a snap the blue bells before they die back.

notton woods

On my walk I passed through an ex mining village,a big slightly down at heel council estate , a large estate of newish executive private homes (the sort with new cars and caravanettes on the drive and double carriages etc) and an older rural village with a 17cth church flying the union flag and Geoff Boycott's old house and finally a very well to do hamlet full of gated homes through the gates of which you could peek Aston-Martin's and those bespoke kid's tree houses that cost several grand. The only evidence of a national celebration in this fairly broad cross section of our countries people was one house with a few strings of buntin. I saw nor heard any street parties or any garden parties, I wasn't stopped in the street by people wearing stupid hats I didn't even see any of those pull out and keep "gawd bless the Queen" posters the Mirror etc print up in people's front windows. The odd shop had a few strings of buntin in their windows apart from that it seemed like another day. Especially if you compare it to say the world cup or Halloween etc.

So I'm sure the media especially the BBC will tell us it was a big coming together and a national celebration but it all seemed a bit muted. I'd expected the odd peel of bells and a hog roast outside a country pub, the people in the shops I went into didn't mention it and the talk in the woods was mainly of bluebells and the daftness of lurchers.

It's surprising how these narrative get set up so easily and are often contrary to our own experience of events.

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Chris G | 30 April 2011 - 9:18am

Completely agree Chris G.

We cycled through a large part of rural Lincolnshire yesterday including two RAF towns and apart from some bunting outside the cafe we stopped at in one of these towns there was barely a trace of this so called 'national occasion'.

Made me reflect on the fact that the BBC & other media should be FORCED to get their arses out of London and really see what the rest of the country thinks about these things. They'd get a bloody shock!

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grac | 30 April 2011 - 9:24am

likewise

I drove through Liverpool yesterday - didnt see any sign of a royal wedding being celebrated.

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jackthebiscuit | 30 April 2011 - 10:33am

My stroll through Portsmouth yesterday.

Lots of street parties. Lots of families having fun. Gunwharf Quays had a HUGE street party going on, (not a proper street party because it isn't a proper street but the effort was made. Trestle tables, sarnies, sticky buns, jugs of squash) loads of people dressed up and enjoying themselves.

The houses where I live were all flying Union flags.

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Lenny Law | 1 May 2011 - 12:38am

If it wasn't for the TV coverage

There was nothing going on where I live that would have made you aware that there was a Royal Wedding. Aside from a couple of pubs with bunting...nothing.

We had a full English Breakfast at Grindleford Cafe, followed by a walk up Padley Gorge, over Carl Wark and Higger Tor and back via Burbage and Longshaw. We were grateful for the wedding for giving us a nice quiet day in the countryside.

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Mr Sparks | 2 May 2011 - 9:11am

I enjoyed the whole thing

I thought the service was particularly good, the music, the choir, the sermon. It made me proud to be British.

Having said that, this made me laugh out loud. It may contravene site rules. It may even be treasonable, so apologies in advance.

The caption reads: Perhaps that third balcony kiss was one too many

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Nick Duvet | 30 April 2011 - 9:01am

Treasonable?

Probably not. Photoshopped? Certainly.

1
Dr.Pill | 30 April 2011 - 3:34pm

Not at all

Watch the footage of the day, whoever caught that was quick on the shutter, she literally bent down quickly to pick something up then stood. A moment well caught.

1
SimonL | 30 April 2011 - 6:15pm

Did anyone else

notice toward the end of the wedding service when the Lord Bishop of London said something like "I'm reminded of a pithy quote" and then proceeded read out a religious text that was hundreds of words long, thus rewriting the meaning of the word "pithy" at a stroke.

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mojoworking | 30 April 2011 - 9:46am

Taking the pith

Yes, I think it was a quote from Chaucer -it really wasn't powerful enough to warrant the build up, or the obvious amusement enjoyed by the Bishop of London. Had to be there. Simon Schama probably enjoyed it though.

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Austin | 30 April 2011 - 11:17pm

Ah yes

it was Chaucer, you're quite right.

I was starting to flag by that point in the service. There are only so many pointed references to God and his divine mercy one can take without glazing over.

Still, Jerusalem sounded great as always, didn't it?

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mojoworking | 1 May 2011 - 7:40am

Speaking as an atheist Scot

I have to admit falling in love with "Jerusalem", judging by that rendition.

1
Douglas | 1 May 2011 - 6:06pm

I prefer it accompanies by a BIG organ (fnarr fnarr)

rather than a horn section.

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stimpy | 1 May 2011 - 6:24pm

The Bish also said (at the start)

how important it was that marriage was to be undertaken "discreetly" - how many viewers again? (even it wasn't quite 2 billion)

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Douglas | 1 May 2011 - 6:05pm

Hey!

Don't go bashing the Bishop!

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Black Type | 3 May 2011 - 6:01pm

Good post Dave.

To paraphrase Half Man Half Biscuit:

'It's Clichéd to be Cynical about the Royal Wedding'

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DougieJ | 30 April 2011 - 9:57am

Two Billion Viewers

I don't doubt that lots of people watched and enjoyed the wedding. But the figure of 2 billion viewers which has now been accepted by virtually by all the media, even before the wedding took place, seems to have been made up. I just heard on the radio that in the UK there were 25 million viewers on ITV and BBC - so less than half the UK population.

I didn't mind the Royal Wedding, but it's the way so many journalists never question the figures that are handed out to them that is exasperating. The article linked to below is interesting on how bogus so many viewing figures are, particularly for sports events, and including the Royal Wedding. It is based on a study which, for example:

"looked at how claims of a 1bn global audience for the Super Bowl were wrong (100m was closer), how a claim of a 2bn audience for the Winter Olympics of 2006 was more than 1.9bn OTT (reality: 87m), and how a claim of a 1.5bn audience for the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony in Melbourne was wrong by a factor of 300 – actually 5m were watching!"

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2011/04/26/sincere-good-wishes-to-wi...

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Melville | 30 April 2011 - 3:05pm

Indeed

A "global audience of two billion" is playing with language to the point of lying. In theory, two billion people could watch it, if they wanted to. Which is a similar audience to the You Tube footage of me picking my nose.

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Austin | 30 April 2011 - 11:23pm

The Story

is the important thing when you are a journalist. That's what sells the paper/pulls in the viewers/gets the website hits.
If the facts don't fit the story, change them or omit them.

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Mike_H | 1 May 2011 - 12:43am

It said nothing to me about my life

The whole thing left me cold, and the quasi-Diana fervour just struck me as a bit pathetic.

If that spectacle is what 'Britishness' is about, then I guess I'm just not very British.

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Lando Cakes | 30 April 2011 - 5:05pm

"Pathetic."

Couldn't you just say you weren't interested without affecting a tone of superiority?

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Bob | 30 April 2011 - 5:25pm

Hmmm.

As most of this thread has been about how Britian trumps the world when it comes to pomp, pageantry & history I'd say the tone of superiority was very much with the pro-monarchy camp on this one. I still haven't seen a second of it but have gleaned from this thread, the Internet in general & conversation with friends that the brides sister has a decent arse. Pleased to see the whole shebang wasn't a complete waste of our money then and I expect to see said arse on the front of FHM next week. Still, makes you proud to be British eh?

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grac | 30 April 2011 - 6:29pm

How on earth...

is someone having a different opinion from yours acting superior?
Dissent is not an option, eh?

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Doug B | 30 April 2011 - 7:04pm

Wilful misreading.

It was the use of the word "pathetic", as you well know.

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Bob | 30 April 2011 - 7:16pm

I honest to God...

fail to see how his finding it "pathetic" is acting superior.
I found it quaint and expensive to the taxpayer so God alone knows how you would see me then.
My wife loved it, I avoided it and others wanted to celebrate it or God forbid protest it. There is room for all opinions and accusing me of "wilful misreading" is untrue, as I did not "well know".
Obviously I'm not as good in reading between the lines as you obviously are.
Anyway ,it would be churlish to wish the happy couple anything but good luck and at least we got a day off. (out of interest i wonder what that cost the economy)

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Doug B | 30 April 2011 - 8:23pm

Cost.

Apparently £20 million. I also read that it's estimated to bring in an extra £2 bn in tourist revenue, though. Not sure how accurate those figures are (Wikipedia).

And if you're telling me that if I called you pathetic for expressing enthusiasm for an interest of yours which I didn't share, and you wouldn't think I was being a supercilious condescending git, well, I'm at a loss. Most would.

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Bob | 30 April 2011 - 8:42pm

Probably about as accurate as the 2 bn viewers who watched it.

Ie. Not very (see Melville's comment above).

re: the pathetic comment. Lando didn't actually call anyone pathetic, re read it, he was simply making a (perfectly valid) comment on the over the top fervour.

It strikes me as funny how people will believe just about anything that they are fed about this event. Are we really that stupid?

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grac | 30 April 2011 - 9:23pm

Evidently not

I did find the fawning pathetic. I didn't think it automaticaly made me superior though; I have faults of my own.

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Lando Cakes | 1 May 2011 - 12:27am

Fawning

Oh yes, there was plenty of fawning on display the other day.

Almost as much as we see on the Word Blog, in fact (he said half-jokingly).

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mojoworking | 1 May 2011 - 10:41am

Now if only...

you were DH or FL I'd give you an up arrow for that.

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Doug B | 1 May 2011 - 12:25pm

Brilliant!

I'll give you one instead

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mojoworking | 1 May 2011 - 12:33pm

You've met the Massive's collective goat...

now meet his cousin*, the Massive's collective Fawn!

Image: Tom Curtis / FreeDigitalPhotos.net

Cute, isn't he?

*this may not actually be biologically plausible.

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Hannah | 1 May 2011 - 12:36pm

Eddy

I wonder who he borrowed the uniform from?

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clivetemple | 30 April 2011 - 5:13pm

Eddie - WTF?

Not paid a lot of attention to the Royal Wedding, but your post got my attention Clive.

Why was he wearing uniform ? He is a failed bootneck, he never qualified.

If I had failed my military training 2 things would have happened.

1)- I would not have been entitled to wear the uniform

2)- I would have been too embarrassed to have worn it knowing I had not earned the right to do so.

He should have worn top hat & tails.

What was he thinking? Where was his pride?

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jackthebiscuit | 30 April 2011 - 7:01pm

Uniform

I believe he's entitled to wear the uniforms of seven or eight different UK and foreign regiments, as he has honorary military positions with those regiments. I can appreciate the irony of this given his own military record, and I'd rather he wore civvies, but he is entitled.

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Bela Legosis Dad | 30 April 2011 - 7:52pm

Edward holds the following honorary ranks*

- Royal Honorary Colonel of the Royal Wessex Yeomanry
- Royal Colonel of the 2nd Battalion, The Rifles
- Honorary Air Commodore Royal Air Force Waddington
- Commodore-in-Chief of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary

Personally, I'm surprised he's not embarrassed to hold these ranks given his military record but I guess it's part of his day job.

(* according to that Wikipedia)

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stimpy | 30 April 2011 - 8:23pm

Eddie...

It took me about four reads of this to work out Who The F*** you guys were talking about.

The forgotten prince.

1
Adman | 30 April 2011 - 8:12pm

Isn't he the....

"nudge nudge" theatrical Prince.

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Doug B | 1 May 2011 - 12:30pm

Wink, wink...

But seriously, he has the same status in the Royal Family that theatre has in Britain. Routinely ignored by most people.

So, good analogy.

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Adman | 1 May 2011 - 12:40pm

Steady Eddie

But seriously, he has the same status in the Royal Family that theatre has in Britain. Routinely ignored by most people.

And publicly funded too.

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yorkio | 1 May 2011 - 1:12pm

Well, he certainly organised the very theatrical

"It's a Royal Knockout" in 1987...

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duco01 | 1 May 2011 - 12:45pm

Burying bad news...

Did anyone else catch the announcement that the Govt slashing expenditure on the NHS which came to light yesterday?
http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/04/30/new-tory-plans-to-starve-the-nhs...
I know Labour did this type of thing as well, but the ramifications are massive.
Bread and circuses?

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Grant | 30 April 2011 - 7:24pm

God Save 'er Indoors

I noticed Prince Phillip singing away during God Save The Queen, the temptation for him to change the words must at times be irresistable.

I also noticed The Queen not singing along. I've always wondered what goes through her mind when that is playing, and she's heard it thousands of times in the past fifty years and always with masses of people staring at her. It must make her feel very uncomfortable, although she's probably used to it by now.

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Cookieboy | 30 April 2011 - 9:12pm

Funny isn't it?

When I jotted down these random views I thought the Fearne Cotton one might get things ticking but nothing was forthcoming. The cross section of views here never fails to amaze me, I'm still happier with a Royal Family because I really can't bear the thought of the alternative. Do I think they're better than me? No. Do I think they're different? Yes. To be honest they're welcome to it, I'm not sure I want that kind of privilege and expectation. William and Harry are the best thing to happen to The Royal Family for a long time, possibly ever. Despite all the paraphernalia, the well done pomp and the decadence there were moments, for me at least, that were touchingly normal. I just want to know if Harry did have a crack at Pippa and whether he asked Chelsea to join in.

1
Dave Amitri | 30 April 2011 - 11:35pm

Me? His Royal Highness Prince Henry Of Wales,

alone, with the sister of the bride? At 3 in the morning? With my reputation? Bingo!

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Ruff-Diamond | 30 April 2011 - 11:54pm

I've given you

an 'up', R-D, because I laughed out loud when I saw this.

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hazzard | 1 May 2011 - 4:41pm

OK, I'll bite.

Fearne Cotton IS the devil.

Happy now? ;-)

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Hannah | 1 May 2011 - 12:35am

Has anyone else read this little piece of information

http://tyrannyoftradition.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/venom-singer-saddened...

Now THAT's a real shame. I suppose every family has at least one "barmy" relative, but c'mon. This is the man who gave the world Black Metal!

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Grant | 1 May 2011 - 6:50am

Sorry but

I'm afraid that's almost certainly a hoax - they've got the bride's mother's name completely wrong?

Brilliant if it was true, and of course it sounds so bizarre that a little piece of your brain does think "I wonder ..."!

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Douglas | 1 May 2011 - 6:03pm

Mmm

This exchange in the comments gives it away as a hoax:

Aineolach: "For anybody who stumbles across this they may not notice the ‘humour’ tag and think this was true – you might consider adding a note at the end explaining it’s not (to help prevent the spread of disinformation)."

Pelowe: "Pretty sure disinformation was the intent :)"

Keith Spillet [the writer of the piece]: "Correct, sir".

It's still a funny blog tho!

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Red Umpire | 2 May 2011 - 6:50pm

Some oberservations.....

Fishing Ospreys at Rutland Water. That's a good way to spend a Royal Wedding day.

Listened to the service on the radio and noted the excellent choice of hymns. The current GLW had two of them at out own rather less grand but hugely enjoyable wedding back in 1988 (not Jerusalem - the other two). But why did they have to spoil it all by having the National Dirge at the end?

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cradlerock | 1 May 2011 - 11:15am

The rousing music

played as the happy couple were leaving the Abbey.

I don't know what it's called, but it sounded exactly like it belonged in the opening scene of a movie about Henry VIII, just as he's riding over the crest of a hill with Hampton Court coming into view.

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mojoworking | 1 May 2011 - 2:11pm

It's "Crown Imperial"

by William Walton, my favourite piece of classical music, which I first discovered oddly enough at William's parents wedding:
http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/that-bit-song#comment-114301

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KDH | 1 May 2011 - 5:28pm

Thank you sir!

(or madam).

That's magical.

Off to track it down on CD now.

(Edit)
Turns out I already had it on a Walton CD British Composers (EMI) along with Orb & Sceptre, Spitfire Prelude & Fugue and lots of other stirring stuff performed by the RPO, conducted by Sir Charles Groves.

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mojoworking | 2 May 2011 - 2:05pm

A query.

Now, I know Gordon Brown & Tony Blair are not the 2 most popular people on this site, & I can understand a section of people who post here (If I could only think of a collective noun....) not liking either of them.

I think that for whatever reason, the 2 of them not being invited is a snub of the highest order. Surely, as former prime ministers, then they should have been there.

I cant be the only person who thinks that way can I ?

(BTW, on the same point, the DM & DT have been revelling in them not being invited)

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jackthebiscuit | 1 May 2011 - 5:56pm

I believe there was a genuine reason

(albeit one which people may or may not like), namely that neither is a Knight of the Garter (ooer).

Personally I'd have been happier, not if they'd invited B&B, but if they'd also excluded John Major. Just because he was dreadful (IMHO of course).

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Douglas | 1 May 2011 - 6:01pm

that's spurious

nonsense frankly it was a deliberate establishment snub. when you consider who else was invited. It didn't show the royals or Tories in a good light. This nonsense that it wasn't a state occasion doesn't wash either anything with half the army outside araf fly past and the Queen in attendence is a state occasion.

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Chris G | 1 May 2011 - 6:10pm

The KG point is totally relevant,

there's a protocol for these occasions and, presumably, it was followed in this case.

You might do better to ask why Blair and Brown weren't created KG upon their retirement as I believe is customary with Prime Ministers.

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stimpy | 1 May 2011 - 6:27pm

this is another myth of Monarchy

that these ceremonies are steeped in age old protocol in fact most of them are made up as they go along as new events etc spring up.
For instance there will be "protocols" for the Queen's speech but these only came about and evolved with radio/tv. But because the Royals/media spin it as such we pretend these events/the Monarchy are un-changing. They change as the country changes often a few steps behind and occasionaly in front but always changing and adapting. Protcol is basically how the Queen's done something once.
Did Dennis Compton get invited to The Queen's wedding or the Beckham equivalent to Princess Margaret's? I'll bet W.G Grace didn't rock up to any of Queen Victoria's kids' marriages let alone Dan Leno or Marie Lloyd.
So pretending it was protocol is spurious, it was a snub.

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Chris G | 1 May 2011 - 7:51pm

Such certainty...

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stimpy | 1 May 2011 - 7:59pm
grac | 1 May 2011 - 8:03pm

Indeed...

"The cover story, which had the technical advantage of being true..."

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea that Blair was deliberately snubbed by the Queen but I just think there's too many conspiracy theories kicking around.

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stimpy | 1 May 2011 - 8:28pm

So...

It's not true that the Queen snubbed Gordon because he did away with the Royal Yacht (said to be the only time the Queen has cried)? As for Tony, well he banned foxhunting, something all royals love. Plus, he took the 'credit' for 'saving the Royal Family' when Diana died, when only the Queen can take credit for anything.

(All this information is from The Sunday Times)

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tiggerlion | 2 May 2011 - 9:33am

I'd like to think it was a deliberate snub

for all those reasons, but I remain to be convinced. I have to say though, it's looking more and more like it was deliberate.

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stimpy | 2 May 2011 - 12:21pm

I'm afraid I just don't buy any of this

for 5 main reasons:

1. Who even noticed (other than political journalists etc) that there were more Tories than others?
2. Who cared (and in particular how would it affect their voting)?
3. We should honour and remember ex-PMs to the same extent as our ex-boyfriends/girlfriends, ie not much (and certainly not as a matter of course).
4. The main question is why any other than the most representative of current politicos should be there at all - how do think the Happy Couple felt having George Osborne there?
5. Since when did Labour politicians care about being part of a Royal media event?

Actually, I'm re-thinking number 5 ...

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Douglas | 2 May 2011 - 10:18am

I think

John Major was there coz he was given a role to look after Wills and Harry when Diana died.

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clivetemple | 1 May 2011 - 6:26pm

Not a Knight of the Garter?

Unlike, say, Elton John or David Beckham?

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Lando Cakes | 1 May 2011 - 8:28pm

They were, presumably, friends of one of the families

Not something that, presumably, could be said of the Blairs.

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stimpy | 1 May 2011 - 8:30pm

Protocol or a snubbing?

"I don't want Blair or Brown there. Granny thinks Gordon's a shitbag and Tony smarmed round us after mum cashed her chips in and I hate him and his wierdo missus. What do we do, Kate?"

"Don't invite the buggers. Leave it to the PR's. They'll come up with some shit about garters or whatever. Anyway. Tell me again. How are we going to stop Harry from trying to shag my sister?"

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Lenny Law | 1 May 2011 - 11:26pm

I take your points

However, I think it was a snub of the highest order.

BTW, is beckham a knight yet? (if not, its only a matter of time)

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jackthebiscuit | 1 May 2011 - 6:46pm

I missed it....

... due to being unavoidably on a remote island with no telly. Did Jude look nice then?

2
ganglesprocket | 1 May 2011 - 8:31pm

So what 8 discs did you choose

and how's Kirsty?

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Douglas | 2 May 2011 - 10:09am

No DLT

WTF?

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Mr Fade | 1 May 2011 - 9:39pm

Somewhere an equerry will now slap his forehead

And go "Quack quack oops"

1
FakeGeordie | 2 May 2011 - 10:12am

Carwheels

Enjoyed carwheeling verger and doesn't Posh need a sausage roll and told to cheer up!

0
Simon Williams | 2 May 2011 - 12:06pm

Much older than a car

It was a Cartwheel

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mojoworking | 2 May 2011 - 12:36pm

Carwheels

Enjoyed carwheeling verger and doesn't Posh need a sausage roll and told to cheer up!

0
Simon Williams | 2 May 2011 - 12:06pm

Well she's got the bun

in the oven, so to speak. When is mini-Posh due?

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Beany | 2 May 2011 - 6:30pm

WAGS (sorry, rant coming...)

I hope Kate's upcoming ubiquity will change young British women's views about how to make the best of yourself and to leave the prevailing role models - WAGS - behind. Seeing Kate and her friends made it so apparent just how awful Cole, Rooney, Gerrard, Beckham, Crouch, Peterson, Jordan and all their new-money vulgarian friends are with their tattoos, hair extensions, boob jobs, fake tans, excessive drinking etc.

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kb | 2 May 2011 - 7:28pm

Although some would say the Middletons are

also 'new money'

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stimpy | 2 May 2011 - 7:43pm

New, they may be.

But they're clearly not nouveau. If you see what I mean.

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Bob | 2 May 2011 - 8:03pm

On yes, I see what you mean...

They're not 'Noovs' :-)

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stimpy | 2 May 2011 - 8:17pm

I believe the disparaging term you are looking for is "parvenu"

Applying, of course, to the twenty and thirtsomething females who dedicate themselves to the spray-tan, veneers, extensions, straighteners, Botox, fillers, nips, tucks and silicone and currently dominate the pages of the tawdry gossip-rags, setting an aesthetic ideal for the aspirantes.

Will Kate provide an alternative? I don't know. A bright, well-educated, eloquent, confident, pretty girl with long legs and a fine smile who oozes middle-class entitlement may well be seen by the consumers of the tat-mags as a figure way beyond their dreams of aspiration.

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Lenny Law | 2 May 2011 - 10:56pm

A well balanced

bright, intelligent, beautiful, well educated girl who happens to have lost far too much weight. The shots of her the day after the wedding show a girl bordering on the look of an anorexia sufferer. Different struggle in the face of public glare but a struggle for unreachable perfection none the less, no doubt not helped by her sister grabbing all the headlines. I think we may have our first red top "exclusive" ready to roll. I doubt she vajazzles though.

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Dave Amitri | 2 May 2011 - 11:02pm

Emaciated.

A word I forgot to use, Dave. Probably the most important one. You point out Kate's skeletal frame rather wisely, but Kate's sister did nick headlines for the one thing that she herself did not possess.

Buttocks.

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Lenny Law | 3 May 2011 - 12:06am

Parvenu - yes indeed

Yes, I suspect Kate will seem out of reach to the legions of young women who look to the parvenu for inspiration and aspiration. However, I have a feeling that the magazines they buy are written by women not so different to Kate and they might change the minds of their readership (breath not held).

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kb | 3 May 2011 - 9:03am

Not sure about that Dave

I didn't think she was too slim and certainly not "bordering on the look of an anorexia sufferer." Though, as you say, we will certainly find out if you are right.

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kb | 3 May 2011 - 9:06am

Isn't she the ultimate WAG?

She is famous for one thing only - marrying a rich and famous man. The media are obsessed with her appearance. And I think we can be sure that if there is the slightest sign of the usual tos and fros in her marriage, it will be "news". Even if she devotes her life to charitable works, in the end the gossip will override that.

Does it matter? I don't know how much people base their lives on what they read about in magazines - perhaps it is just daydreaming like imagining you'll be a film or pop star. But I don't see the coverage of the royal wedding as a sign that there has been a significant change in what has held up to young girls as admirable.

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Melville | 3 May 2011 - 9:57am

I'm just surprised by the positivity, really

What surprised me about the day was the apparent amount of positive feeling about it, in the run-up it seemed that the media was making a big fuss but the public mood was of indifference. Certainly people my age (late 20s), aside from a few girls back at school fancying William, to my knowledge always found the royals to be a bit of a joke.

I don't think it's clichéd to be anti-Royal or anti-Wedding, as some may suggest. It's just as valid a standpoint as its opposite and a mixture of reason and feeling ensure no small argument would radically change someone's position either way. Personally, given I work in the public sector and I'm starting to see the redundancies kick in, I found those born into privilege waving their riches at the nation to be in pretty poor taste. The idea that it might somehow lift morale just seems absurd. I'm also lost in ideas of how it connects to Britishness and national pride, as aside from perhaps encouraging existing incorrect national stereotypes and feeding the continuous pre-occupation with celebrity, I saw no relationship between the wedding and real life in this country.

I'm also unsure what difference it would make for us to have a President rather than a Prime Minister - isn't it simply name and tradition? I known the Queen has to sign off on new laws, but she doesn't seem to challenge them as far as I know. Is it to do with the House Of Lords? (Again, another unelected body.)

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kidpresentable | 2 May 2011 - 8:48pm

One last odd thing about this weekend

imagine having a wedding so note worthy that the President of USA schedules his extra-judicial executions around it.

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Chris G | 3 May 2011 - 9:43am

Good one Chris, that very same thought...

... occurred to me. No way could it have been on the same day, or the day before, even the day after or any time earlier. Cameron must have known; maybe Sam Cam's hatless head was a signal.

With these such big occasions I do wonder what would happen if the Queen had died the day before, or a big name assassination.

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kb | 3 May 2011 - 1:40pm

Great Day

My paper at the conference in Alberta went down very well..

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whitehorsehill | 6 May 2011 - 2:21pm
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