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Sod it..it's Saturday..

shane pacey's picture

..here's Mr. Pastry.

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Braces

I had a pair of Mr Pastry braces when I were a lad. I'm guessing this is where George Lucas got the idea for the Star Wars merchandising juggernaut.

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billyous | 25 July 2009 - 9:25am

Mr Pastry .v. Daleks

This may be old hat to others, but I didn't know it...
According to Wikipedia, Richard Hearne "...was offered the starring role of the BBC series Doctor Who after the departure of Jon Pertwee, but a disagreement over his interpretation of the role (he wanted to play the Doctor as Mr. Pastry) led to the invitation being withdrawn by the producer, Barry Letts."

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Nick White | 25 July 2009 - 9:55am

Mr Pastry as Doctor Who...

That will be Sylvester McCoy then.

Then there would have been no Tom Baker, acknowledged to be one of the best Doctors. Sorry...I digress.

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Beany | 25 July 2009 - 10:35am

My eight year old daughter...

just watched the clip and said "that's not funny". She's right - he never was. And watching him again now just makes me think of The Fast Show's Arthur Atkinson.

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Roy Levy | 25 July 2009 - 11:13am

Wasn't he?

As a 4 / 5 year old I think I used to love Mr Pastry. Do I think that's funny now? Not in the least. He's of an era. Things change. There's so much more to see now.

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Carl Parker | 25 July 2009 - 12:44pm

There's a chance that you...

..and your daughter are wrong.
Sorry, but much of what people find funny these days. (and I include much of The Fast Show)I find tragically the opposite.

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shane pacey | 25 July 2009 - 12:42pm

Having said that..

..it wasn't meant to split your sides, just to give you a smile and remind you of long gone days.

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shane pacey | 25 July 2009 - 12:51pm

and it did..

seems my post read as more sour than intended.

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Roy Levy | 25 July 2009 - 4:14pm

*Course* he's not funny

But the *idea* of him is funny. The idea of a man who became a byword for clumsiness is an immensely useful idea. I got a laugh on Twitter the idea for pointing out that in the play-off for the British Open Tom Watson was playing like Mr Pastry.

Didn't Viz once have a character called "Sammy Smalls - He Runs Into Walls". You didn't actually have to see the strip to get the gag.

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David Hepworth | 25 July 2009 - 1:14pm

This must be a generation thing

...as I have absolutely no idea who "Mr Pastry" is

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nicktf | 26 July 2009 - 1:02am

In 1956...

...when I was 9, I took my 6-yr-old sister to see a double bill of "Davy Crockett - King of the Wild Frontier" and a Mr Pastry film. I was under strict instructions to bring her home if she found Davy Crockett frightening. She sat through that completely unmoved, then howled the cinema down the moment Mr Pastry appeared on the screen (good job we saw the main feature first). So not universally loved, even in his heyday! He didn't do much for me, but this is amusing in its gentle way - and blessedly short.

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mikethep | 26 July 2009 - 5:57am

One wonders..

..how funny people will find The Mighty Boosh, Peep Show or Little Britain in 50 years time.
I find them all a bit tragic even now.

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shane pacey | 26 July 2009 - 5:59am

Deja Vu

I was looking for a clip of another "comedy filler act" Billy Dainty and came across this...

I remember a friend trying to amuse my kids when much younger by showing a video of Laurel & Hardy's Brats - the one where they also play their own children - and they laughed hysterically throughout. Many of these filler acts are aspiring to achieve the same reaction to their slapstick humour.


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Beany | 26 July 2009 - 9:22am

But

both Dainty (and Roy Hudd, also seen at the start of the clip) wre acting almost as curators of a history of music hall entertainment, hence Dainty dusting off Mr Pastry and Hudd doing a Max Miller turn. Neither are side splitting, but both give me a nice warm glow.

That old style of comedy is alive and well today, and there's a demand for it: see how popular Peter Kay is and compare him with older so-called 'northern' comics like Les Dawson or those even further back.

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illuminatus | 26 July 2009 - 5:06pm

Roy Hudd

Is regarded by many as THE curator of old fashioned entertainment, as a collector of memorabilia and writer of many books on the subject. I've had the pleasure to read one of these books (and listen to his cassette reading) and cannot get past his story of elephants on stage without finding somewhere comfortable to lie so not to hurt myself when I collapse through laughing too much. It's the way he tells them.

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Beany | 26 July 2009 - 7:29pm

Laurel and Hardy are a definite one off in that respect

Unique in their abillity to make people of any generation laugh. Genuinely timeless, unlike any of your Pastries/ Daintys/ Walls.

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sandamiano | 26 July 2009 - 1:23pm

Chaplin

Has anybody ever suffered from a change of taste more than Charlie Chaplin? Perhaps the first world-wide star, internationally popular in a way that no-one had been before. Yet now he is very much a minority taste.

You could compare him with The Beatles in terms of fame and changing the form he worked in. But the Beatles started recording 47 years ago, and there is still a genuine widespread interest in them, (not just in The Word). If you look at Chaplin, there was about 47 years between the start of his career, and when The Beatles started out. I don't remember that time, but I'd guess even by then that Chaplin had become a historical figure.

Is it just that tastes in humour change more quickly than in other fields?

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Melville | 26 July 2009 - 3:21pm

Then again

contemporaries of Chaplin's, like Buster Keaton and Harold Lloyd are still not just figures of cosy nostalgia, but seen by many comics as a source of real inspriration, especially now that visual comedy is rather popular again.

For some reason that's difficult to identify Chaplin has dated badly, while Lloyd and Laurel & Hardy, for example, still seem incredibly fresh.

I still love the idea that the only person who says a word in Mel Brooks' Silent Movie is, in fact, Buster Keaton.

One other problem with Chaplin is that, unlike the others he was incredibly sentimental, crashing through mawkish straight into full-on mawk.

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illuminatus | 26 July 2009 - 5:02pm

The comedian's trademark gimmick

Back then, virtually all variety comics had something in their act that they hoped would - rather like a corporate logo today - instantly be identified with them. So, Max Miller had his sequined suits and oversized trilby, Mr Pastry had his oversized morning suit, Sandy Powell had his oversized arms (which still make me laugh - yes, I really am that pathetic), Hylda Baker her oversized silent friend Cynthia (a stonefaced man in drag), and Max Wall had his oversized boots. (Are you starting to notice a pattern here?) Even into the '60s and '70s, Tommy Cooper had his fez and Ken Dodd his "tickling stick".

The trademark costume, prop or "bit of business" usually went hand in hand with a catchphrase, the more random - as the youth say - the better (Word icon Kenny Cantor's universally loved "Oh, you are kind" being a perfect case in point).

In that respect, bizarre though it may seem, Bernard Manning was a true comedy revolutionary in that he was the first comic to become nationally famous with no catchphrase and no characteristic "business"; he was just a fat Manc bastard who stood there and rattled off jokes.

Bernard Manning was the Sex Pistols of comedy. Oh, yes.

Where's me washboard?

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Archie Valparaiso | 26 July 2009 - 3:27pm

What about Bob Monkhouse?

I can't say I ever saw his early act, but people like Barry Cryer and Dennis Norden describe him as very much a gag merchant, like Bob Hope. I don't think he had any comic "business", to support the jokes.

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Melville | 26 July 2009 - 3:59pm

Yep

Since posting that, I've realised that there were indeed gimmick-free stand-ups in the '60s - the pathologically unamusing Ted Rogers, for one.

It was a good hypothesis while it lasted, though.

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Archie Valparaiso | 26 July 2009 - 4:22pm

Monkhouse was different

because he was part of a double act, with Dennis Goodwin. And after Goodwin's suicide he had to have a rethink, including Carry on Sergeant

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illuminatus | 26 July 2009 - 4:54pm

Alexei Sayle and Variety

Alexei Sayle was the first comedian I saw live, and still the funniest. He had a huge stage presence, so much so that even when he walked on he dominated the crowd. Yet when I read your list of gimmicks, I realised that part of his presence was due to the shaven head, Doc Martens and suit that was two sizes too small.

He was one of the inventors of alternative comedy, but I suppose his trademark getup showed that Variety lived on in him to some extent, as much as it did in Ken Dodd with his Tickling Stick, or Tommy Cooper with his fez.

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Melville | 26 July 2009 - 6:53pm

And to all intents and purposes...

"Hullo, John, got a new motor?" was his random catchphrase.

All the original "alternative" comedians were only alternative in terms of the material they were doing (and even that wasn't that much of an alternative from Lenny Bruce in the '60s or Robin Williams and Richard Pryor in the '70's). Insofar as the gimmicks and business went, they were quite traditional in many ways. Rik Mayall and Ade Edmundson's Dangerous Brothers were basically the Max Wall school of on-stage mayhem writ twice. French and Saunders were originally a boilerplate Little and Large double act, with the only difference that while Little and Large were a fat bloke and a not-fat bloke, French and Saunders were quite funny.

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Archie Valparaiso | 26 July 2009 - 7:35pm

Ah, Monkhouse. . .

A real contradiction; on paper a very, very funny man ('They all laughed when I said I wanted to be a comedian; well, they're not laughing now. . .') but somehow his delivery didn't endear him or his material to people on Tommy Cooper lines. Consequently, he is remembered as the 'comedian's comedian'. Oh dear.

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woollymammoth | 26 July 2009 - 5:30pm

Monkhouse

Monkhouse seemed painfully self-aware, especially in later years. When he collected his Lifetime Achievement Award at the British Comedy Awards, he looked at the trophy - a Joker card set within clear perspex - and said, "A joker, plastic and see-through - it seems made for me, doesn't it?"

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Nick White | 26 July 2009 - 5:48pm

I came of age at the height of 'alternative comedy'

and was taught to despise Bob Monkhouse and his ilk. It didn't
help the cause of the old guard that they were
mostly trapped in cheesy gameshow hell in the 80s. It took a long time before I
could admit that Monkhouse could be very funny. I still feel slightly uncomfortable acknowledging it now. Such was the Stalinist power of The Comedy Store generation.

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Adman | 26 July 2009 - 8:05pm

That was the rub, of course

when he started to acknowledge the issues surrounding his image and act, the public did actually start to warm to him a lot more. I was never a Monkhouse hater becasue I kind of realised that there was a certain articie in his act.

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illuminatus | 26 July 2009 - 8:12pm
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