People you didn't know rocked: Jeremy Beadle
Jeremy Beadle, who died today from pneumonia at the age of 59, could have been famous for having his name on the top of the ticket if only his early adventures in rock promotion had worked out. In 1972 he was one of the promoters of the Bickershaw Festival in Lancashire and was responsible for bringing over major West Coast talent such as the Grateful Dead, New Riders Of The Purple Sage and Country Joe. Among the audience wading through the mud that wet weekend in May was the young Elvis Costello and the slightly more mature Joe Strummer. Like most people who mounted rock gigs large or small, Beadle lost money big time and turned his back on the world of the laminate forever.
Are there any other prominent people out there with unexpected previous in the World Of Rock?
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I'd just like to say...
...I'm really saddened about the news of his death. For many years I thought Jeremy Beadle was a blight on society but I remember the time when all that changed. It was on Danny Baker's late night chat show (Danny Baker After All) in the early 90's. He came on as one of the country's most disliked men but after talking at length about the many things he had achieved in his career (including the Bickershaw Festival) I remember the way the audience warmed to him. He got a great round of applause at the end and it totally changed my opinion of him. My thoughts are with his family.
The curse of the tidy beard
The kneejerk gut reaction (huh? what a strange place for your knees) of the Great British Public is to be deeply suspicious of any man on the telly with a tidy beard, as Messrs Edmonds and Branson have learned to their cost. Messy-bearded blokes, on the other hand, like Kenny Everett and David Bellamy, are all set for Much-Loved National Treasure status as long as they play their cards right (those who play them wrong -- like Bill Oddie -- assume they have an automatic right to Much-Loved National Treasure status without having to do something to earn it first).
Or, to use examples a bit more up the Word blog's alley, who do you condider to be the more trustworthy of these two: Richard "Messy Beard" Thompson or Jeff "Tidy Beard" Lynne?
(No tales of close encounters with the Beadlebum from me except that the one person I know who'd met him said he was a top man, pleasant, witty and self-effacing, rather than the self-centred condescending slimeball he'd been culturally programmed to expect.)
What a brilliant theory! you
What a brilliant theory!
you should begin a seperate thread to see if we can name any offenders of each category...try and establish a trend in the arguement.
Not sure it's worth a whole thread but...
Here's another pairing to set the ball rolling, if anyone's up for it:
Peter Green (MB) vs. Tony Iommi (TB)
Goatees don't count, by the way, even if they're very tidily trimmed indeed. ("Phew," says the ghost of Roy Buchanan.)
RT untidy beard slur!
Looks pretty groomed to me.
Try Bonnie "Prince" Billy or Iron & Wine or E(els) for size.....
Time to define our terms
By Tidy Beard, I refer to the need for daily, extremely meticulous depilatory maintenance of certain sections of face, not just the occasional all-over trim. In other words, Tidy is not just short. Eric Clapton is a good example of short but messy: it grows a bit, off it goes for a few days, ah, here it comes again. Your typical Messy Man -- among whose number, I insist, we should include Richard Thompson -- can't be arsed to spend half an hour with the Mach III Turbo every morning shaping it like a Versailles privet.
So, although messy certainly embraces straggly, it's by no means limited to it.
Test on Friday.
Thank you.
So now I know. But is Prince a tidy or is it felt pen? (When, um, "hirsute")
Tidy beards/messy beards debate
Charles Manson? Tidy beard got messy… what does that say? Prison works?
Lloyd Grossman...
is another TV personality who had his part to play in the history of rock n' roll. I wonder if there are any others?
Pasta Sauce
on the rider for late period Jim Morrison?
Lloyd Grossman
Do tell.
Number 49 in the charts, December 1977
Loyd was the singer, apparently.
Didn't Lloyd Grossman write for Rolling Stone?
I have an ELP book and someone called Lloyd Grossman gave the debut a glowing review for RS magazine; I could only assume it was him from Masterchef!
I read that William Roache- Ken Barlow of Coronation Street, no less- was a big Deep Purple fan!
Too many L's
Although Loyd "Just The One L" Grossman is indeed an ex-rocker. It turns out, rather gobsmackingly, that he was the singer with punk band Jet Bronx And The Forbidden.
Pedant Alert!
It's Loyd
Yes, that's Loyd in his
Yes, that's Loyd in his younger days. He started off writing for Fusion magazine, an underground music magazine based in Boston. Mojo did an interview with him in Issue 3 in which he remembers:
Publisher: "Where's that interview with John Mayall you were going to give me this week?"
Loyd: "Oh shit man I thought I told you Mayall didn't want to be interviewed... so I got an interview with Mick Taylor instead."
Publisher: "Who the fuck is Mick Taylor?"
Loyd: "Mick Taylor is his guitarist. He's really amazing, I can give you 3-4000 words on Mick Taylor by Monday."
Publisher: "Oh great, let's put him on the cover."
And later he went on to write for Rolling Stone.
Some covers...
Jonny Depp
to play Arthur Lee in "Love Story"?
And...
Mick Taylor went on to play guitar with The Rolling Stones.
Crazy, whacked out cosmic synchronicity maaaaaaaan...
Bob Holness
played sax solo on Baker St, obv...:D
Tony Blair was once in a band with...
[hooked off stage sharpish]
no... do tell...
wasn't it Ann Widdecombe?
Pat Nevin and Barry Horne - The Kings of Indie Football
Footballers like modern R&B
Why is that?
It's always a rarity when you hear a footballer is an indie fan (like Horne, Nevin and Marcos Painter at my club Swansea). Even our youth team's taste in music is R&B. Even back in the seventies in Shoot magazine the taste in music seemed to be George Benson, the Doobie Brothers etc.
Is it something that is taught to them during their apprenticeship? Tackling, heading, passing and listening to R&B?
It's so tedious...
I wish Wayne Rooney would come out and say "The first Grand Funk Railroad album is an underrated classic" or Peter Crouch would admit to a fondness for Gillian Welch, but I don't think it's going to happen.
Back in the Day
I was working at the Record & Tape Exchange and sold a copy of the very noisy Children of God by Swans to Pat Nevin. It almost made me want to support Chelsea.
Unbelievable!
That's more like it! When I worked at Our Price Hampstead in London in the late 80s I sold a copy of George Michael's 'Faith' to... George Michael. I asked him why he was buying a copy of his own album, and he replied "Because I can."
Right you are then, Mr Michael.
That's you told then
That's you told then
Nevin on Go-Betweens
Pat Nevin was a big Go-Betweens fan even going as far as signing the book of condolence for Grant McLennan on the Go-Betweens website. "It is dreadful news that Grant has gone. Quite simply my favourite songwriter and also a lovely man too. I was honoured to DJ with him in Edinburgh a while back and even though he was exhausted from the tour schedule he made such an effort with everyone. He and his genius will be sorely missed."
If I say Steve "Interesting" Davies....
...what do you say?
MAGMA!
Oh yes... the snooker machine's fondness for French jazz-rock weirdos Magma is legendary! Didn't he pay to bring them over and put on a concert?
And he's got a vast collection of northern soul 45s as well.
Any excuse to post my favourite Magma related clip
I bet some of you haven't even got a favourite Magma clip
I don't want to sound harsh...
but the words 'Damien', 'The' and 'Omen' spring to mind.
Jim Davidson...
...
is a big ELP fan, this could explain their lack of rehabilitation. Sticking with Generation Game hosts, when Bruce Forsyth did the record doctor thing in the Observer Music Monthly he was very enthusiastic about the Red Hot Chilli Peppers, particularly the bass player.
I also recall a story on the radio in which the Queen was reported to have expressed a liking for a Joni Mitchell song. Can't remember which one though.
Emerson, Lake and Davidson...
Perhaps loveable Jim could add his special brand of humour to the much-maligned prog behemoth's repertoire...
'Racist Gag For The Common Man', anyone?
David McCallum
Illya Kuryakin made two amazing albums with David Axelrod in the late sixties. He doesn't sing on them but arranged and conducted some of the pieces as he was a classicaly trained musician.
Dr Dre fans might recognise this one:
In the psychiatrist's chair
I used to really dislike Beadle until I heard him on the late Anthony Clare's programme on Radio 4 In The Psychiatrist's Chair. He came over as an intelligent, caring and thoughtful man, nothing like the grinning buffoon of his TV persona.
Prolonged exposure to TV studios does something odd to people
Thank goodness Messrs Ellsworth and Heppen managed to get out before it was too late.
Steve Davis presents a radio show...
...indulging his Magma/Henry Cow type passions. Must confess, I never got into Henry Cow but I do quite like Magma- a VERY acquired taste though!
As an ELP fan I tend to ignore the fact that Jim Davidson likes them!
Mullet over, if you would
Didn't Peter Stringfellow make some of his start-up cash by booking the Beatles (cheap) when they were unknown, and the gig taking place when they'd just hit the charts (hel-lo, ticket money)? Could be wrong, but I seem to remember that. Should we blame the Fabtastic Four for Stringfellow's rise?
And Beadle, if memory serves, was a huge expert on magic and illusions. Saw him talking about it once and it was a genuine surprise - as someone said upthread, a contrast to his usual onscreen persona.
Stringfellow's a Northern Soul
Peter Stringfellow was one of the first to play the London Mod Soul, R n B scene records outside of the Capital at the King Mojo Club in Sheffield. The London Mod scene eventually faded but clubs like King Mojo, The Twisted Wheel, The Black Cat and Wigan Casino had a devoted following and eventually became known as 'Northern Soul'
Bernard Manning made similar claims...
...Manning apparently booked The Beatles early on in their career at some club he worked at. Likewise, didn't Manning have something to do with the Hacienda club??
He died the night it opened
In the Glasgow Empire sense of the word "died" that is. He was supposed to be the big draw.
But Bernard's greatest claim to hipness was this, perhaps his - and some might feel also this month's Word cover star's -- finest hour:
Jimmy Saville invented hip hop - fact
In 1946 Jimmy Saville was the first person to ever use 'Two Turntables and a Microphone' effectively inventing hip hop not to mention a Beck lyric.
The King of Bling
He's been the Hip Hop template years hasn't he? The perma' bling and big ol' cigar. The sports wear and his own highly stylized dialect. I wonder if he's got a framed 'Scarface' movie poster at home too?
Carry On Laughing
Apparently Mr Beadle was a very pleasant chap, felt quite saddened by the news of his death. He once visited my local, The Nags Head and pushed over a massive pile of copper coins, that had been raised for charity. Trigger Happy TV owes a lot to Mr Beadle,quite an influential figure in TV.
I read today
That Beadle raised over 100 million pounds for charity in his lifetime. That's almost as much as Bob Geldof raised with Live Aid, isn't it?
Speaking of Jim Davidson, didn't they use an ELP song as the theme for the revamped Generation Game when Davidson hosted it? I think it was the one that begins "Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends..."
My dad has got a Jim Davidson album...it's produced by Greg Lake and is probably the worst record I've ever heard.
What about Clive James?
He wrote all those terrific lyrics for Pete Atkin. If anyone hasn't heard them I recommend starting with the Beware Of The Beautiful Stranger album.
and then
you have to get A King At Nightfall, which opens with the incomparable "Between Us There Is Nothing".
It is particularly apt that this material gets a shout here, in the "home of intelligent life on planet Rock".
It's in my Top 10 albums
Stuart & Vulpes, you are a men of taste. A King At Nightfall is that rare beast, a clunker-free album. "Between Us.." is indeed the most beautiful love song and there are others just as good, including "Apparition In Las Vegas", the best song ever written about Elvis. As I recall, Atkin & James were big Peel faves pre-punk.
Pete Atkin
Didn't he go on to become a BBC producer in his own right?
He did,...
...producing loads of stuff. BBC7 must feature one Atkin production a day. His biggest achievement was 'This Sceptered Isle', Christopher Lee's 300-episode, 46-hour history of the British Isles. Renaissance man that he is, Atkin also provided the voice for a character in the last Wallace & Grommit movie.
Isn't Liz Hurley an ex Punk?
I'm sure I've seen photo's of Liz as a teen wearing 'Oi' type togs in Basingstoke.
I may of imagined this...
... but I'm sure I'd heard that when David "Sex In A Chelsea Shirt" Mellor was a barrister, he'd defended The Clash in a court case.
Plus,I'm almost sure I'd heard this tale from Danny Baker on one of his radio shows in the distant past.
It may have turned out to be a completely different MP/lawyer; band or story-teller - but I do have this lodged in my brain from somewhere...
He's seen the future brother, and it's murder
Apparently Prince Charles is partial to a bit of Leonard Cohen esp I'm The (or is it Your?) Man and The Future. Not sure if that makes him rock exactly but it's maybe not what you would expect?
English cricketer Bob Willis
English cricketer Bob Willis added Dylan as a middle name to show his admiration for his idol..
And wrote the introduction to...
the book "All Across The Telegraph".