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Sherlock
Posted by Stick on 2 January 2012 - 3:17am.
Hurrah for Sherlock! And for Mark Gatiss, an elegant, kind and charming man who, 10 years ago, at a book launch, signed the complete published League scripts for a, um, very refreshed fan - not once, but twice, in the space of 45 minutes: "Ah, hello again! I think I've signed this for you already...?" "Yes! But I enjoyed your signature so much I thought I'd get it a second time."
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Fantastically entertaining.
No big deal, but certain parallels are apparent with the (also excellent) Guy Ritchie films, notably the Third Man-ish music and the hyper-aware, predictive strategies of how to deal with an adversary.
And Gatiss is wonderful as *here be spoilers*:
*tforcym*
Surely...
...it's not a spoiler just to reveal what character someone is playing?!
Or maybe that is somehow surprising. I must admit that last night's was the first episode I've seen.
Sorry but the attraction is a mystery to me
Bailed about 50 minutes in. For me the flashy delivery didn't make up for the lack of story. My loss.
Sherlock
Loved it. Entertaining nonsense and very well acted and made. Perfect stuff for a Sunday night.
Well ....
[Plot spoilers coming up]
The dead hiker was pure Jonathan Creek; I could have done without such a clear-cut ending, but I suppose you can't kill off what may become popular repeating characters; I kicked myself for not getting the mobile phone combination before Sherlock did; there were a few too many plotlines intertwined; and overall I absolutely loved it. Bobbins to Downton Abbey, this is all that great Sunday evening television should be.
First one I've ever seen
of these most recent incarnations.
Slick. Moved much too fast in places. But I was quite captivated for the duration and thrilled by the twists right up to the credits.
A fine piece of television entertainment. *Spoiler* The 'plane of the dead' I thought an astonishingly macabre and brilliant idea.
Millenium
There was a Farrah Fawcett movie called Millenium which traded on a similar idea - peeps from the future nicking live bods to repopulate a devasted Earth, replacing them with dead future peeps.
Movie a bit terrible, book not SO bad...
Just watched it.
Enjoyed it, although I found myself admiring it rather than loving it, if that makes any sense. Beautifully done. Absolutely love the way they integrate the text & graphics throughout the show; usually that sort of trickery irritates the hell out of me.
What else was good?
There aren't many downsides to living in Australia, but the television is utterly abysmal.
So, through fair means and foul, I'd like to catch up on as much of the special Christmas UK TV as possible. Downton, Gruffalo and Sherlock are all in the bag - anything else anyone would recommend?
I liked the new adaptation of Great Expectations
But reviews were mixed at best.
Conan Doyle's Scooby Doo
Episode one was terrific but two was awful. Obvious villain, clunky 'pesky kids' plot, a monster that turns out not to be scary after all and the obligatory unmasking at the end. It even had Scoobalike Russell Tovey gurning his way through it.
One of the clues couldn't have been more ineptly planted if the whole cast had turned to the camera and winked. And we were asked to believe that the greatest detective mind couldn't work out what everyone at home knew after half an hour. It also completely missed the point of the cryptic HOUND teaser, which is that the audience should have at least an outside chance of working it out for themselves (see last week's phone password).
Steven Moffatt gives his mate Gattis too much leeway. Not content with writing the desperate 'Spitfires in Space' Dr Who episode, and camping-up the Daleks so disastrously that they've been in hiding ever since, he's now committed this act of Hanna-Barbarism on the best-known Holmes tale. Yikes.
So,
did you enjoy it or not?
Biggest mystery
... is how Russell Tovey continues to get acting jobs. His performances always leave me wondering if he's only ever encountered human beings via very bad television rather than in real life. There's nothing convincing or natural about him, and his histrionics at the end of this episode sunk what was already a pretty weak script.
'Russell, darling, just a little note? ... [Spoiler alert]
...You believe that you saw your father ripped apart by a enormous, ferocious devil hound when you were a laddie but have suppressed the fact that he was actually beaten to death by a man wearing a gas mask in a glade doused in hallucinogenic gas. You've spent the last 20 years suppressing the memory although your current therapy is bringing the true version of events back to the surface. You're very rich, you live alone in a big house and you think you're being pursued by Satan in the shape of a dog the size of Shergar. In this scene, darling, you've cracked, you're hysterical and you've got a handgun in your mouth, all ready to pull the trigger. The incidental music is going batshit mental and three men are standing nearby screaming, 'Nooo! Nooooo! NOOOOOO!!!! So what i'm saying Russell, darling, is subtle-as-she-goes. Restraint, Russell, Lovely? Thanks darling.'
Je ne dinna think so.
This post was brought to you by GTAB - Give Tovey A Break.
Well...
No one's asking for restraint, though. What was needed was something convincing, moving and likely to keep viewers locked in with whatever emotional reality existed in a rather ludicrous scenario.
A better actor might - just might, mind - have saved it. What ended up on screen, thanks to Tovey, was a bunch of sub am-dram hooting and hollering that punctured any serious impact the scene might've had. Comedy probably wasn't what they were going for at this point, but they ended up with one of the most accidentally hilarious things I've seen on TV in ages.
Please may I
steal "je ne dinna think so"?
Love it, and it's going to confuse the hell out of folk at work.
Glenbervie
Still laughing at your post.... genius
The one thing She For Whom I Cook and I disagree on
is Sherlock's temperament.
I don't like the way they've made the new one so utterly rude and abrasive; someone in a StraightDope thread said it makes him somewhat like House - but SFWIC quite likes it (I'm more the purist than she is - then again, when we went to see Lord Of The Rings:The Two Towers, she hollered long and loud about the Ring going to Gondor, which bothered me not).
Jeremy Brett had the mood down pat - and any Down Under viewers are alerted to the ABC showing the Brett version on Thursday at 12.30pm (hopefully as a series of repeats and not a one-off)
House comparison is not that surprising...
...considering Sherlock Holmes was an acknowledged inspiration for House!
I never noticed it myself until I read about, but the homages are obvious; drug use, musicianship, address (both live at 221B) even the names House & Wilson were deliberately chosen to be similar to Holmes and Watson.
I think there's a difference between the
diagnostic approach that House so obviously takes from Holmes (or, Bell)
I may be misspeaking here, but I suspect that the point being made was that of the interpersonal dynamic where Sherlock is modeled on House - not terribly people oriented.
That differs somewhat from the original Holmes as written by Doyle.
Not nearly as good as series one
It's got far too cartoonish, and Sherlock is verging on the irritating now. Whereas it was all so refreshing last time it's now got purely silly.
And what was going on with Russell Tovey's voice?
enjoyed it, but...
it ain't Holmes.
I agree that they've made him into a House-style detective, rather than embracing the warm friendship that Holmes and Watson have in, for example, the Brett adaptation. Holmes is too rude and unlikeable.
That said, I've enjoyed the new take a lot as entertainment, but last night's wasn't too good.
Holmes
I like the Brett version best, I think that series was a slice of television perfection. But I quite like this.
I'm waiting for Sheldon from Big Bang Theory to be Holmes though. Not the actor, Sheldon himself!
Last nights
was weaker. Still enjoyable but it felt a little bit like a Dr Who spin off (all the science and lab stuff) crossed with a Scooby Doo.
Oddly enough
On balance, I think I enjoyed last night's more than the previous one with its risible ending. Whether that makes it "better" is debatable, perhaps it was the Scooby Doo element. I do catch myself grumbling about the odd plot hole, but overall it's great fun. Besides, if you want a Conan Doyle Holmes then Jeremy Brett's your man. I'm still on series 2 of the box set but it's great stuff.
Docor Who crossed with Scooby Doo
Doctor Rooo
Herrr???
Rerlock Snacks Heee heee
Poor episode
A badly telegraphed plot, too much histrionics and a ham-fisted handling of the usually nuanced wit and cerebral flourishes. Holmes' deductive musings felt forced and overly mannered. I accept he is a larger than life character but last night it was too much like caricature. The relentless and impatient pacing of the editing was poorly judged as well. The thrill of roller-coasters is generated as much in the anticipation as in the hurtling around the track.
Can't stand it.
Last night's ridiculous Baskerville was a basket case. A Holmes you'd like to headbutt, a Watson who ought to bloody well do it for you, but doesn't, plot holes through which you could drive a coach and four, and a manic pace that leaves no room for puzzlement or contemplation of the plot's unfolding. Which it doesn't anyway, it just screams at you. By a long chalk the worst desecration of Doyle's legacy upon which I've ever wasted eyeball time.
I caught the opening episode of the first series and thought it worth a revisit at some point; I've recorded it to disk ever since. Last night I watched it as it was broadcast for the first time since the initial episode. I then cancelled the series record, and freed up a whole chunk of disc space by deleting everythig I'd saved to date. I shan't be watching or recording anymore.
Agreed
I think it unremittingly awful. Not much to commend it. The GLW loves it so I've put up with it for Series 1 + 1 - both agreed that the Baskervilles episode should really have cast Fonzie jumping a shark somewhere along the line.
Woah, fighting talk
Surely you don't mean it's even worse than the Guy Ritchie movies?
Another disappointed customer
Last week's episode was everything I had hoped the first series would; this week's was poorly convieved.
Warning - spoiler
1. I like it.
2. Ep 2 not a patch on Ep 1 but still good family viewing here, with a few jumpy moments.
3. Fell foul of a major problem for all big-money TV detective progs. When the chap from Casualty/Vicar of Dibley appeared, we just knew he had to have something to do with it.
sherlock was just channelling tom baker
I agree last nights episode wasnt nearly so good and felt much more like a boring dr who episode - sherlock just became tom baker. last weeks one was great though.
Stating the obvious here but they need to keep in mind what the key elements are and try and make sure they dont leave them out in their enthusiasm for new ways of reinventng an old plot.
This episode was trying to be too clever for me and didnt really work: theres a suspension of disbelief from the audience that sherlock is technically in modern day london, but he's really out of time. some plots can work in parallel in both realities, one about a research institute was drearily and prosaically modern and for me broke that magic balancing act theyd so far maintained.
Sherlock becomes Tom Baker in Hound of the Baskervilles
He was only returning the favour.
(I wouldn't bother tracking don ther est of the film; it's pretty poor.)
Hound
There was a good pun on the canine subject matter where Watson spots a light on the moors only to find its a group of drivers partaking in a bit of dogging.
That was good
and just as good when Being Human did exactly the same thing a year ago.
But...
...it was tough having to explain dogging to my daughters.
So I didn't.
This should help
I've loved all five so far
I wonder if some of the people I've read / spoken to about this second series are more twitchy than before because it's explicitly tackling the more familiar stories. So, people feel more protective and get more pissed off with all the mucking about.
I felt the tone set by series 1 established that the Moffatt/Gatiss version was basically going to do whatever the hell it liked with any story or combination of stories. I don't mind that at all. I don't even mind plot holes or speed-of-light deduction show-offery that much; unlike Golden Age whodunnit crime, where we can try to solve the puzzle, Holmes (uniquely?) works because he astounds the reader with some arcane piece of knowledge they can't possibly share.
I think the Brett version frees any subsequent dramatisation of trying to be 'definitive' - JB inhabited the role like Suchet does Poirot, a complete 'realisation' of an impossible character.
Instead, these are modern thrillers with the added bonus of 're-vamping' great characters in an inventive style and setting.
[SPOILER ALERT] Many of the nods to Conan Doyle are icing on the cake, simply there for those who notice them - for example, the survival intact of the line 'footsteps of a gigantic hound', only for the new Holmes to think it an archaic choice of word; or the fact that the villain was identified using an old picture, as in the original.]
I freely admit I'm not 'Mr Critical Faculties' - clearly, I sit down intending to enjoy a show like Sherlock, and subsequently, I do. But I reckon there's lots of life in this yet - it's creative, well-acted and exciting. Can't wait for next week!
Completely agree
I think they've done a splendid job. I love the way they haven't just plonked the characters and their outdated mores into 2012, but have come up with contemporary cover versions.
And yes, it's fun picking up the references to Conan Doyle. I'm also thoroughly enjoying trying to work out how the originals will be interpreted.
Great stuff for a Sunday night in front of the telly.
Agreed.
Holmes has few social graces in the original stories. Not downright rude, but not far off.
Love the references - "the footsteps of a gigantic hound", the lights on the moor, Holmes surveying it all atop a crag, Grimpen minefield.
Episode 2 not as good as one, also agreed.
Did I miss it, what did UMQRA stand for?
It was just random flashing
arising from the dogging activities on the moor.
Yes, that was embarrassing for me
When Watson was puzzled by UMQRA, I confidently announced to my wife, "Mm, I can almost guarantee that will turn out to be Arabic."
Mr Critical Faculties
Specs_Beard, I admire your outlook on this.
"I sit down intending to enjoy a show like Sherlock, and subsequently, I do"
I think you might be on to something there.
That's usually how it works for me too. It is something I have made a conscious effort to develop. But there are some times when it's hard to convince myself; e.g. Eastenders, Big Brother, going to the dentist, Madonna, Peter Andre, cleaning the toilet.
Which has more value? Well-trained "enjoyment muscles" or well-trained critical faculties? Finding things to like or finding things to dislike?
I thought Ep 2 was a bit disappointing
by it's own high standards but was still well worth watching and streets ahead of most of what's on TV at the moment.
I love the new and fresh characterisation of Holmes and liked the way they tempered it: Watson is his one and only friend, did he or didn't he make a mistake he'll admit to?
For me, the weak point remains the Watson character. It seems a bit under-written and ill-defined, and Martin Freeman doesn't suit it.
A little disappointed
Even though I was thoroughly entertained by the whole thing.
One of the guys from 'Absolutely' was in it. Stonybridge!
*SPOILER* Why O why did the bad guy see fit to wear a t-shirt with a logo advertising a secret covert operation while perpetrating a crime?
What's that you say? It was in the script? Oh, as you were then.
It's a ludicrous updating
of an unimproveable original.
I mean, where are the Nazis?!
Actually, I really like the new stuff.
Martin Freeman
I am no expert on acting or on film/TV, but I do think that Martin Freeman is a pretty poor actor. His non-verbal communication, especially his facial expressions, is so pronounced and obvious that it seems very amateur to me.
He was good in Ali G - The Movie.
From what I remember.
Alas Freeman is leading the path Mat Horne follows...shame. Potential in both.
Comparing it to the Brett version is pointless
as they are not trying to faithfully recreate the Conan Doyle books. It should be judged on its own merits. The old series are there for everyone to see when they want, this doesn't replace them or even attempt to
The weak link in an otherwise superb episode was Tovey. How does the big eared boy keep getting work? He does the same wide eyed, breathless, astonished acting in everything. next to decent actors like Cumberbatch he was shown up as the non trick pony he is.
The fast pace is part of modern US\UK TV drama. its been like that for a good 15 years, get used to it. Still has great moments of stillness and tension but TV audiences are able to receive and digest information a lot faster and more skilfully than they used to. Euro drama like The Killing still does the slow burn however.
Liked the fog explanation, liked the nods to the original, the humour, the slight ridiculousness of it all. Watson feels about as military as Captain Caveman but Edward Hardwicke was as stern as Paddington Bear too.
Just enjoy it for what it is or dig out your box sets. the complete Brett is ridiculously cheap on DVD.
Along with Modern Family
this is the only program that the FPO and I watch together.
I am not a fan of British dramas but I love inventiveness and this has it in spades.
Still can't work anything out before the end and I never have been able to with these sorts of things.
However, I did pick up on his use of 'cellphone' but I thought it was a cheap way to interest the American market.
And no-one has mentioned Sherlock being called Spock, which is rather precient..
I like Martin Freeman,
but he's essentially just 'being Martin Freeman' in this, isn't he? Wonder who he may have learned that from ;-)
Have to say I thought Jude Law is a vastly better Watson. Cumberbatch and Downey Jr. are equally good as Holmes imho, though their characterisations are about as different as it's possible to imagine.
This is an interesting article which explains that the Jude Law characterisation is actually a return to the original source rather than the bold departure some have seen it as.
I agree
Jude Law does actually look quite capable of handing out a battering rather than being a sort of amiable buffer a la Colonel Hastings in Poirot. He is independently charismatic which is also in the books.
I never thought I would see the words "Jude Law" and "quite capable of handing out a battering" in the same sentence, not least one written by me, but my wife & kids definitely see him that way and it is important in the originals. I think it makes more sense of the admittedly utterly preposterous stories.
Martin Freeman is about as convincing as a military man as he was as a sales guy in The Office. Hangdog wounded harmless amiability. Not even close. Might be OK as a Hobbit. Good programme though.
Disagreement ahoy!
I actually like Freeman as Watson.
He isn't the source Watson - bluff, hearty, ruggerbugger with a medical qualifcation who was handy with a pistol and his hands.
Freeman, not so much. I actually do see him as having the nasty man potential. The handling of the end of a Study in Pink I found convincing. I also see him as a good foil to Cumberbatch's Holmes, which is more or less what Watson is required to be.
The Ritchie Holmes? Frazer would be upset by my language. It is an action movie masquerading as a Holmes movie. Not to put too fine a point on it, but it's bollocks.
Wonder if
Jim Moriarty (as listed) will have an associate called Grytpype-Thynne?
Sapristi!
You steaming French nit.
Great steaming lumps of thurk
April in Paris
We've found a charlie
Whatwhatwhatwhatwhatwhatwhatwhatwhatwhatwhat?
Please don't do that.
Well apparently next week
*spoilers* Watson says "He's fallen in the water!"
You rotten swines, you
Ying Tong iddle i Po
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Relating to the "OP
"Mark Gatiss, an elegant, kind and charming man " - no idea of his personal qualities (no reason to disagree of course) but I think he's a wonderful character actor and genuinely carries some weight - and understands why you need to as well. Very impressed indeed with him.
Whisper it quiet, but
I bought Sex Lives of The Potato Men from Amazon this week for a mere 2.99. I sat down to watch it last night. It's not brilliant, but it is by no means the atrocity claimed by some. It does have some pricelessly funny moments, crude as it is.
Which brings me to my point: Gatiss is one of the stars and, as ever, he is a frighteningly believable character. And he's from my neck of the woods, which is nice.
His books
featuring the Edwardian private detective Lucifer Box - the Vesuvius Club \Devil In amber etc are very good to.
Plus I saw him dining in London's finest curry house, Zafrani's on Cross Street in Islington so he is a man of exquisite taste.
Now THAT was a Sherlock Holmes episode ....
Superb!
Surprisingly good
as it was written by the guy who did that shit 2nd ep of the 1st series.
Once the dust has settled maybe we can discuss "how he did it" *spoilers* etc
Possible spoiler
With bin bags. On the lorry only just in frame.
And something to do with Molly
He did say that she could do something for him which wasn't further explored.
Pathologist's
paperwork.
Having replayed the scene in slow-mo several times,
(sad, I know) I concur with you LB on both counts.
Lots of fun speculation here
It does, of course, contain MASSIVE SPOILERS throughout: http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2012/jan/16/sherlo...
yes, brilliant stuff after
yes, brilliant stuff after last weeks disappointment. great performances alll round and I thought the moriarty twist was a stroke of genius.
comments section of todays guardian review seem to have a pretty good stab at how it was done.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2012/jan/15/tv-review-sherlock
ah yes
Read some of the theories and the little bits I had already forgotten came back so can see how they could bring him back.
Overall it was irritating for me in the same way that the few doctor who episodes I watched of the modern incarnation have made me switch over before too long. The writing is just too convoluted and the ways they manage to get out of scrapes lack credibilty e.g. when they both were handcuffed and ran around the corner why were they not followed by the police?
The first 5 episodes were great though. Just not this last one.
And saw the new Guy Ritchie one. Not very good. Liked his first one though.
Kraftwerk: The Biopic
Cumberpatch and Gatiss as Ralf und Florian repectively.
Whaddaya think?
The Sound of the
The Sound of the Baskervilles?
That was great
That's more like it. I thoroughly enjoyed that episode. Can't wait to see what happens next. However, i don't think we'll get to know for a very, very long time.
Oh, I dunno
Mark Gatiss has tweeted that Series 3 was commissioned at the same time as Series 2. Xmas 2012, I reckon.
Autumn
2013 I hear.
FFS
Sherlock and Molly will be settled down with a baby by then. John will be writing his memoirs with a view to turning them into a TV drama. Jim and Mycroft will be living together in Thailand.
I enjoyed it - far more
than the "Sherlock" movie that Mrs. F and I saw on Saturday night. I (largely) take back my previous comments about Martin Freeman, who was excellent, and look forward to how they'll explain this one.
Mind you, whose to say Moriarty is dead? Did anyone check his body? Who even knew it was up on the roof or took it away?
Me too
Regarding Martin Freeman (my post above). He calmed down his constant gurning and was really good in this one.
Surprised no-one's mentioned
Andrew Scott as Moriarty. I thought this was a brilliant piece of casting and acting. His general mischievousness just made his occasional outbursts of rage all the more terrifying. Jared Harris is also excellent in the latest filmed version but his performance is much more what you would expect. Scott brought something truly fresh to the role.
Glad he calmed down a bit
In his brief appearance at the end of the first series he came across as Ant-or-Dec channeling the evil twin of Graham Norton.
My wife and I
had a conversation about whether we thought he was brilliant or hamming it up terribly. I'm still not sure.
Hamming it up...
...but hamming it up brilliantly.
Ii thought he was excellent
The most enjoyable thing in a very enjoyable thing. It's a comic book type adaptation and he is a classic comic book villain.
I really liked Martin Freeman's stuff he did at the graveside. Very well acted.
The BBC's "Original British drama" logo
... do you think it's meant to remind you of the HBO logo?
Yes, I see
what you mean.
It's not blatant by any means but the outsized, bold, perfectly round 'O' is a definite visual link...