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Russell Brand v Jeremy Paxman

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Russell B does a brilliant demolition job on celebrity culture with Paxo on Newsnight:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00v3fd0/Newsnight_01_10_2010/

Remarkable enough for Paxo to be somewhat gobsmacked. A scathing and erudite take on celebrity from inside the bubble.

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Fantastic

As a stand up comedian he leaves me seriously underwhelmed. In this interview he was riveting. Funny, erudite, intelligent and charming. He came across as deeply likeable human being.

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stumpy | 2 October 2010 - 4:19pm

My thoughts

entirely.

Though I do think he's calmed down since he's got someone other than himself to idolise.

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Helena Handcart | 2 October 2010 - 5:44pm

Great interview

...Russell came across really well.

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mojoworking | 2 October 2010 - 4:25pm

Fantastic

The full interview, without the rest of the programme, is here.

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Fraser Lewry | 2 October 2010 - 4:47pm

linky

don't work Fraser

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James Blast | 2 October 2010 - 4:52pm

Thanks

It works now.

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Fraser Lewry | 2 October 2010 - 5:01pm

no, thank

you

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James Blast | 2 October 2010 - 5:05pm

Was his attack on celebrity culture

part of the promotional tour for his new celebrity autobiography?

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lisbon | 2 October 2010 - 5:05pm

Well worth a watch.

Thanks for the nod.

I've just watched it again with the FPO and enjoyed it the second time too. He reminds me of Mr Lydon at times.

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Lunaman | 2 October 2010 - 5:32pm

It's the Russell I know..

..from his brilliant radio show.

Not the Russell that the tabloid press like to portray.

I can forgive him everything for his gift with words. I think the spiritual/revolutionary stuff is a load of rubbish though as Matt Morgan so frequently pointed out.

Russell's ego will always get the better of his good intentions. He wouldn't be making a remake of Arthur if art was his sole motivation.

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Danny | 2 October 2010 - 5:13pm

You can see why he's a hit with the ladies

He can be very seductive when he wants to be, he seduced Paxo pretty well, which makes you wonder why he has to be such a twat at other times. Still find his mannerisms irritating but he rises in my estimation after seeing that. He makes some excellent points well.

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Sven Garlic | 2 October 2010 - 5:18pm

agreed and

... can anyone say that Paxo was actually very good as well. They both seemed to start a bit wary of each other but as it went on and Brand impressed him, you could sense Paxman changing his tone and line of questioning out of respect.

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grahamt | 2 October 2010 - 5:26pm

National treasure

Funny, clever, charming...etc

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Spartacus Mills | 2 October 2010 - 6:55pm

Yes

but what about Russell?

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Sven Garlic | 2 October 2010 - 7:17pm

I wish he didn't

feel the need to throw big words around so often, as if he were desperate to demonstrate the breadth of his vocabulary. It's the same affliction Will Self seems to suffer from, and it just makes them both appear less intelligent than they presumably are.

Eschew obfuscation - brevity is beautiful.

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Cadabra | 2 October 2010 - 7:20pm

Ahem

Your vocabulary has great breadth - is that brief enough?

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ian | 2 October 2010 - 7:37pm

Eschew Obfuscation

Don't forget, there's an extra live track from them coming up on the Friday edition of Later...

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drakeygirl | 2 October 2010 - 7:46pm

I'm very glad some people still are prepared to use 'big words'

and don't stick to 'small words' either through limited or moderate articulacy or a fear of appearing articulate and thus 'not in touch.' My first thought is to grab a dictionary if I don't understand a word, not to lambast the speaker.

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Mark JF | 3 October 2010 - 2:33pm

I don't have anything against big words

or their usage, I just find Brand's relentless shoehorning of superfluous language into his every sentence gratuitous and a impediment to actually understanding him.

It sounds to me as if he's using them not to better express himself but as an attempt to show how clever and poetic he is. Erudition should be smooth and effortless, but from his lips it sounds awkward and clumsy.

Stephen Fry is a perfect example of a person with an enormous vocabulary who uses it sparingly. He'll pick and choose the precise word for the moment from the wealth of options in his mind, and has no problem with using simple language if that best gets his message across. Brand, on the other hand, seems to have a minimum syllable count for every sentence he utters, lest the listener fail to spot what a dazzlingly eloquent poet he is.

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Cadabra | 3 October 2010 - 8:49pm

Add my voice to the chorus

I was charmed.

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Grant | 2 October 2010 - 8:15pm

I was charmed.

So was I. Excellent interview.

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jackthebiscuit | 2 October 2010 - 8:49pm

I'm a fan

he's funny, clever, insightful and has lived a life that gives him a great source for his humour. If he has grown up a little bit, not too much, we could all be in for some real comedic treats.

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Dave Amitri | 2 October 2010 - 9:36pm

we saw him on the Paul O'Grady show

and he was doing that thing of looking like he's reading long words off of a card, words he's not entirely sure he understands it's not very appealing or indeed easy to watch.
Erudition is a good thing, randomly choosing supposedly complicated words because you think they might be impressive is another. The whole laboured performance was cringe making. Couldn't face newsnight after that.

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Chris G | 2 October 2010 - 11:22pm

thanks Chris

I thought I was the only one - I wish premature male pattern baldness upon him

that's how rad n' bad I am!

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James Blast | 2 October 2010 - 11:45pm

That's just what

I was trying to say in my comment above. The endless stream of ornaments he sprinkles over each sentence just sound clunky and awkward, and end up making him harder to understand. And highly irritating to listen to.

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Cadabra | 3 October 2010 - 1:59pm

Spurious irritant

Too many allowances being made for him here just because he's loquacious and spouts some unoriginal thoughts on the nature of fame. (How articulate and intelligent are you when you don't know "phenomena" is plural?)

And in his head he thought he was on the phone to a Spanish waiter? On a "lo-fi radio show"? Lo-fi, BBC Radio 2? Give me a break.

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Abergavenny Thursday | 3 October 2010 - 1:58am

Got to agree with this. His

Got to agree with this. His defence of the Sachs thing is pretty unconvincing. He was a bully being goaded by a someone who is mesmerised by the charm of bullies.

Other than this, I find RB funny, intelligent and relevant.

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daddyorchipsblog | 3 October 2010 - 2:44am

By "Lo-Fi Radio Show"

Russell was alluding in a self-deprecating way to the ramshackle (yet unfailingly funny) nature and construction of his Saturday evening programme and not the sound quality thereof.

As a self-educated Essex lad, I think it would be churlish to pick him up on his tiny "phenomena" slip.

As for the Andrew Sachs business. I absolutely see where Russell is coming with his explanation of his motives behind the call.

Lest we forget, Sachs is not simply an "old man" as the Daily Mail keeps banging on about. He is/was a comic actor who is remembered principally for his role in Fawlty Towers, one of the funniest and best loved UK TV comedies of all time.

That being so, it's not unreasonable for Russell to believe he was speaking to a kindred spirit, a fellow student of comedy and someone who would probably join in with the "joke".

OK, it went way too far, but only two people complained at the time. It then took two weeks for the Mail to fire up their mock indignation machine and goad thousands of people who had never heard the segment to get hold of the wrong end of the stick and start beating around the bush with it.

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mojoworking | 3 October 2010 - 4:58am

Lo-fi radio

Mojoworking, I know what he meant by "lo-fi radio", I just think it's too disingenuous an excuse in the circumstances. Was his Radio 2 salary lo-fi as well?
The "phenomena" mistake is nothing to belittle anyone about, but I was using it as an example to counter those who I think are exaggerating Brand's intelligence and articulacy. Sometimes when we have low expectations of someone because of their reputation or prior behaviour, it's easy to overestimate their virtues when you see them in a more agreeable context.
I don't like the Daily Mail, but I don't agree with Brand that if the phone call hadn't happened the Mail would have achieved a similar result eventually when someone else at the BBC transgressed. The whole bureaucratic compliance nonsense at the BBC now is a consequence of the specific nature of what Brand and Ross foolishly did, regardless of the Daily Mail agenda and how few people complained in the first place.

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Abergavenny Thursday | 3 October 2010 - 6:54am

Sorry if I misunderstood you

but I think it's quite possible for a show to be ramshackle on Radio 2, therein lay its charm. The whole thing flew by the seat of its pants and rested on Brand's genius for improvisation.

As for remuneration, Russell was on four grand a show. No small amount by our standards, but pocket money to him and peanuts compared to Ross's wage packet. That's why Brand was able to walk away from the BBC so easily, the Radio 2 stint was just a labour of love for him.

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mojoworking | 3 October 2010 - 8:23am

No need to apologise...

... you've said some good things while I seem to have ended up going over old ground.
I'm not a Brand-hater - I was actually interested in him when he first emerged, but watching his stand-up (where he read stories from The Sun and riffed over them) it began to dawn that there wasn't much there for me. Then I thought he became critically over-elevated (which in part led to the Sachsgate thing because the reins were off him), and I guess watching Paxman let him blether all over him it looked to me like Brand was getting away with being all fur coat and no knickers again. I'm sure I'll relax a bit if he actually writes something good or memorable - a script or even a quotable comic routine. ("Dinkle-dinkle ballbag" doesn't count.)

I dunno. Perhaps I secretly fancy him.

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Abergavenny Thursday | 3 October 2010 - 2:46pm

I have high hopes for him, oddly enough.

I like RB and I think he has some good ideas. They may not be terribly original, but in fairness it isn't every day that you find a sleb openly stating that the whole sleb thing is farcical but at least it has the virtue of helping you briefly forget that one day you're going to die. (Admittedly Paul Morley once asked much the same thing of a bemused Michaela Strachan: sometime back in the 80s, I think).

He may suprise us all yet.

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itfc1959 | 3 October 2010 - 4:08am

Russell Brand is engaged to Katy Perry?

When he used to do the horoscopes on GMTV I was sure he was a gayer.

...It's not so much a coat - more of a cape, really

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badartdog | 3 October 2010 - 10:29am

He kissed a girl

And he liked it.

I hope his boyfriend didn't mind it.

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Spartacus Mills | 3 October 2010 - 2:02pm

lenny bruce

Russell is our version of Lenny Bruce (apologies if someone has stated this already, but l am a little tipsy, just got in and can't be bothered checking out the old posts as it's nearly bedtime). He is outrageously articulate , intelligent, and does have higher ideals. Funny, (depending on your viewpoint), and let's face it, much better than all the comedians who sprout off all the usual crap about "have you ever noticed.. shit).
I don't always find him funny myself, but at least the humour comes from the heart, the known, the experience and the truth (or maybe l am just a sad drunken idiot)

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Spider-mans arc... | 3 October 2010 - 7:44pm

what an unfunny self obsessed

drug addled misanthrope? Just what we need.

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Chris G | 3 October 2010 - 8:11pm

Yes!

Pissed, drunk, misanthropic,inarticulate and ... good God it's ......an act. I still think he is the most honest, articulate and raw comedian going, and so much better than everyone else on the circuit.
Anyone who disagrees.....
outside

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Spider-mans arc... | 3 October 2010 - 9:11pm

Used to love the

6Music and R2 shows.
Saw him live pre-Sachscontroversy. Blindingly funny.
Love his facility with language. He is an original.
I'm prepared to give him a chance.

The Sachs thing should never have gone out, which was a BBC production screw-up, I reckon.

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Adman | 3 October 2010 - 8:07pm

the best stand up in the country

these last 5 years or so. just hysterically brilliantly funny. good to see so many WORD forum types in his corner when a lot of folk seem to mistake the tabloid version for the real chap.

only found out recently too that the infamous '2 original complaints' were nothng to do with the Sachs messages but referred instead to Brand taking the piss out of Ross's voice. tru fact!

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sandamiano | 3 October 2010 - 9:00pm

It's sad but true...

Russell engenders a lot of hostility from macho men who somehow feel threatened by his flamboyant manner and devastating good looks.

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mojoworking | 3 October 2010 - 11:31pm

That was

Good.

I cannot think of a single show over here that would have come up with, let alone shown, that.

Really made me reappraise Brand, about whom I know little and that little largely informed by the press.

One observation, and one question:
wow. Does he love words, or what?!
is it just me or is there something slightly unsettling about his presentation and energy. He seems very something I can't quite put my finger on

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sitheref2409 | 4 October 2010 - 12:08am

mmmmm..........

I've been lucky enough to be on the receiving end of this type of self-obsessed shite before, usually when people return from a lengthy spell in the karzy with a particularly runny nose.

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Larry Bee | 4 October 2010 - 1:29am

Except...

...Russell clearly wasn't on drugs. He was way too cogent for that.

And in any case, speaking fast is certainly not a bad thing. Look at our own Messrs Hepworth and Ellen. They babble away excitedly twenty to the dozen on the podcasts week in, week out and don't we love them for it!

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mojoworking | 4 October 2010 - 3:45am
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