Is rock radio a turn-off?

Brian May is one of the people trying to rescue digital radio station Planet Rock. The owners say it will close if they don't find a buyer soon. I wrote a column about the retreat of digital radio a few months back when The Arrow decided it could do without DJs and all the companies who'd been bidding big for digital licences were desperately trying to give them back.

Since then we've had the station formerly known as Jazz FM trying to get permission to stop playing jazz altogether and 6Music trying to broaden their appeal via the controversial George Lamb. Which leads me to wonder: is the UK radio market big enough to be able to sustain any kind of genuinely specialist music station (if it's not paid for out of the licence fee)?

Classic FM is basically an orchestral easy listening station, jazz fans can't agree on what they consider to be jazz, all those stations like XFM that started out bold and adventurous have gone into the middle of the road and I can't see Brian May's vision of a station that plays Jimi Hendrix and the Who turning on many advertisers.

Is it the case that the people who are passionate about music prefer to do their own programming and the mass audience is largely happy with what they've got?

It's all changing

I think podcasts give the best indication of the future of radio. Radio currently gets driven towards the lowest common denominator because it's a commercial concern with high running costs due to the special equipment needed to broadcast a radio signal. These costs need to be recouped, so it's audience-chasing all the way.

Podcasts, on the other hand, can be made and distributed by anyone with a PC, at little or no cost. They can even be all-music, since small labels are usually quite willing to allow a few tracks to be played in return for the exposure this gives to relatively unknown artists. Though I was sad to see The Jazz vanish, that was never the channel through which I heard lots of new jazz. All my exposure to new jazz for the last year or so has been via all-music podcasts such as "No Idle Frets", "In The Groove - Jazz and Beyond" and "Bending Corners".

I think that subscriptions to music podcasts such as these will become far more important than radio to people who are seriously into music, rather than simply requiring the kind of comfy, predictable aural wallpaper provided by the commercial radio stations, and increasingly by BBC stations such as 6Music.

pvincent | 8 May 2008 - 11:28am

until someone sorts out the copyright issues

the fundamental problem with podcasts is that you can't get a licence to play music on them!

Great for speech but not much good if you want to hear some new tunes....

PaulHThompson | 8 May 2008 - 2:45pm

Podsafe

As I said, some all-music podcasts have full permission to play the music. The term for this is "podsafe" music. The majors don't generally seem to play ball in this respect, but since when did all the best music come from the majors. Certainly the three jazz podcasts I mentioned are all completely legit and have full permission from the copyright holders for the music to be used in a podcast. I thought I'd already said this, but clearly I mentioned it too tangentially.

pvincent | 8 May 2008 - 2:54pm

Commercial radio is rubbish

And always has been.

I rarely feel any need to divert away from Radios two and four, especially since I made the life changing purchase of a wifi radio which allows you to listen to all BBC shows on listen again at any time from a normal sized radio set (no need to attach to a PC or even have a PC at all).

Also since the Government released a new third tier of FM licences for community radio stations a couple of years ago there has been a slow growing culture of radio stations staffed and run by passionate local volunteers. I'm involved with Cambridge's www.209radio.co.uk which has ad free specialist music shows covering funk, world music, traditional English folk, indie, local bands, reggae, classical and everything in between as well as spoken word stuff in English plus the odd show in Chinese, Polish and Kurdish.
There's also Resonance FM in London and several others popping up all the time.

You can only get them within a short range of the city where they are broadcast on FM - unless you go wifi of course and then you can pick up anything anywhere.

Podcasts are ok but I generally find them a bit fiddly and not very user freindly for anyone who doesn't use Itunes and there's the big problem of music licensing.

Niks | 8 May 2008 - 11:44am

Can you recommend a WIFI radio

I have a couple of DAB radios but have thought about a WIFI one as well. Didn't realise that you could listen to BBC shows on listen again though. Is it simple enough?

Leedsboy | 8 May 2008 - 12:47pm

WiFi Radio

I bought one of these
http://www.revo.co.uk/digital-radio/revo-pico-wifi.php

from Maplin's for about £150. It's pretty good APART from one thing - depending on which station you are tuned to, it frequently drops the connection and has to "rebuffer" which can take 30 seconds and can happen quite frequently.

I realise that this might be down to my wifi internet connection, to the hub, or to the wires that bring the internet into my home, but it is still a bit of a pain.

Other minor quibbles - it takes about a minute to connect each time you switch it on and it runs about 90 seconds behind a dab radio (becasue of that buffering I expect) which is itself about 30 seconds behind live radio.

You should take a look at this site too
https://www.reciva.com/

This is where you can register your wifi radio (so you can develop a list of prefered stations that is downloaded to the unit) and find out more about what's available.

It's good fun, when it works!

Stephen Hanley | 8 May 2008 - 1:10pm

Wifi heaven

I've got one of these

http://www.wifiradioreview.com/product/21/Bush_TR2015WIFI_Wi-Fi_Internet...

And I bought my brother one of these for Christmas

http://www.wifiradioreview.com/product/24/Logik_IR100_internet_radio

Neither of us have had too many complaints.

Yes it does occaisionally cut out but I think it depends on the strength of the webstream itself or your wifi connection - if you listen to internet radio on a PC it cuts out as well sometimes so it's not the radio I don't think.

Last time I checked there were more than 4,000 stations coming from the US alone. I sometimes listen to a bit of country radio from Nashville, the odd bit of Australian talk radio which is always amusing and a couple of hip hop stations from Paris and, bizarrely, 80s smooth jazz from Azerbaijan.

Mostly though it is used for listen again Radio 4 comedy shows or shows on Radio 2 (usually presented by Mark Lamarr) that are on past my bedtime.

you can also stream MP3s that are saved on your PC - although of course you have to turn your PC on to do that.

I've pretty much stopped watching TV since I got it.

Niks | 8 May 2008 - 1:29pm

All in one

How about a Squeezebox a bit more expensive but plug it into any radio or stereo and get mp3 streaming, podcasts, internet radio, Listen Again basically anything that you can access to on your PC. I leave my PC on all the time nowadays but these can work direct to the internet as well.

They also have a neat syncronise function as well. I've got three so we can have the same music in every room without having to put up with strange echos from different analog, DAB or internet delays.

PaulHThompson | 8 May 2008 - 2:59pm

With you there

The Squeezebox is one of the best buys I've made technology-wise. Virtually unbreakable music streaming and Radio listening.

Fab

muttnjeff | 8 May 2008 - 7:02pm

Its all changed for me already

I used to listen to the radio a lot. I tended toward specific DJ's. Nicky Horne on Capital. John Peel R1. Chris Evans on GLR. Danny Baker on R5 breakfast. Mainly listened on car journeys to and from work and also in the evening. I used to listen to a lot of football commentary on radio 5 as well. Peel (and sometimes the shows before him) along with Q magazine informed me a lot around what music I heard.

Now with online sources able to find me a song within seconds I rarely listen to music radio. I listen to talk stations more and podcasts in the car and at home. Word magazine has replaced Q. Sky does the football well but with the mighty Leeds in League 1, I can't be arsed with the Prem so watch and listen to very little. I read about it far more - again online.

I don't like music radio much because it is likely to play 4 irritating songs before it will play a good one. Most music stations are too predictable and I don't recall hearing a song on the radio that has stopped me in my tracks for at least 5 years. That used to be a regular occurence with Peel especially. Now, it seems I'll read about a band in the mag or the website and check them out on the bands site.

If I like them, I'll look and see if they are available on eMusic. If not, I'll order from Amazon. Haven't been in a HMV looking for music for ages - possibly a year. That in itself would have been unimaginable to me 5 years ago.

Leedsboy | 8 May 2008 - 11:56am

Radio doesnt surprise anymore

The suits control the airwaves and as soon as you lock on to something half decent they go and screw it up. It happened with Virgin - when that first aired they played a lot of unexpected stuff - when the listening figures increased they became more mainstream and stopped taking chances. When their listening figures dropped again as they inevitably did they sacked the DJ'S. It's not the dj's you idiots its the bloody crap you force them to play!!!!
Same thing happened with BBC6 - as soon as they get popular they stop playing the decent stuff.

The future for Radio is talk shows and live sports events - in other words programmes not governed by playlists and 'heavy rotation'. We followed mainstream American radio which always was and still is rubbish. The good American stuff is college radio and Public service stations.
I for one dont need radio to inform me what is good these days - my friends at Word do a perfectly good job of this.

Steve Turner | 8 May 2008 - 12:38pm

Why do we talk about "the suits"?

I've met most of the people who run radio in this country and they couldn't muster a suit between them. They're all trying to sell advertising by maximising their audience share. And apart from Radio One and Two, who are funded in a particular way, they are all living from RAJAR to RAJAR.

David Hepworth | 8 May 2008 - 1:19pm

The thing is...

...I'm sure I read that Rick Wakeman's Planet Rock show on Saturday mornings, 'Rick's Place' was one of the most popular digital radio shows around. Fish's one, 'Fish On Friday', was up for an award. I don't listen to the radio much but I sometimes check out Planet Rock.

Still, the thing was with Planet Rock was that I often found it to be very 'safe'; you'd often hear Hendrix's 'All Along The Watchtower', Free's 'All Right Now' and The Stones' 'Honky Tonk Women' and 'Brown Sugar' several times a day. It wouldn't have hurt to push the boat out just that bit more. Fish's show was excellent- you'd hear album tracks from John Martyn, Genesis, Simple Minds, Little Feat and Elton John alongside less well known acts like Druid and Gentle Giant. The fact he received a nomination shows that it pays to mix it up a bit.

Good on Brian May though, as he actually looks like he's genuinely offering to put his money where his mouth is and doing his bit for rock music.

JJ | 8 May 2008 - 1:07pm

Ipod take over

Hasn't the ipod see off this kind of radio. I see "normal" people (ie people who wouldn't have had a tape or disc walkman) listening to ipod all the time on the train, most of my friends have them in their cars and so just don't listen to the rock radio that much anymore except for talk and sport etc. A couple of disc of "now that's what i call air guitar 2" will fill your pod with the same tunes arrows play so why tune in.

Chris G | 8 May 2008 - 1:27pm

Crap music in cars

In springtime, a man's thoughts turn to painting the front of the house. So, I've done a bit lately, before the rain returns. Problem is, I get to hear the frequent noise of over-loud car stereos, played with the drivers window down of course. After a while it occurred to me that they were all rap/urban r'n'b etc, heavy on bass and light on tune. P reg BMWs in black seem to be vehicle of choice. No-one played any loud rock music. (Oddly enough, I'm sure I heard a bit of Dinah Shore at full volume at one point).
Why don't kids or even middle-aged businessmen play loud rock music in cars anymore?
Perhaps they do and they're too polite to annoy others. If I hear any passing Richard Thompson in the street next time I'm in the garden, I know it'll be one of you. Start the fight back now.

Paul | 8 May 2008 - 2:04pm

Internet based radio is the future...

that's the conclusion I've come to! As well as the convenience of Listen Again you got the flexibility to get a radio service tailored to your listening habits.

Anyone can set up a station based on their likes and dislikes. I've tried Pandora and like Last.fm a lot. Both allow you to build your own radio station based on your listening habits and stream them to your computer or stereo via a wifi radio. They're not perfect, you haven't got access to all the releases, and sound quality is variable, but I'm sure that will come in time

What about this service that Peter Gabriel has been championing recently The Filter

The Filter scans all of the ID3 tags in your music library and uploads that information to its server (their privacy policy says they won't give this out to anyone). In iTunes, you select a song or two you want the playlist to be based on. Then The Filter's music recommendation engine, which runs partially on the associations provided by other people who have uploaded their library data, builds a playlist based around your starting point(s) that appears within iTunes. From there, you listen to the playlist, sync it to your Shuffle for the gym, or whatever.

Now that's an interesting idea, if only it wasn't tied in with itunes and DRM. The Internet gives you so many possibilities that niche radio can't really compete with.

PaulHThompson | 8 May 2008 - 2:35pm

Hate to rain on your parade

But there is one major problem with internet radio. The more people listen, the more it costs you (the netcaster) in bandwidth. Unlike any form of radio...

David Hepworth | 8 May 2008 - 6:21pm

But the business model

for unicast is quite different for broadcast. Unicast internet radio relies on registered users - bandwidth and storage needs at their data centres are dependant on the number of users and this is built into their business model. I would have thought most would be only to glad to get more users to boost their advertising income.

Bandwidth and storage prices drop every day and compression algorithms get better and better. Who'd have predicted the success and quality of iPlayer a few years ago.

The potential issue with TV Watch Again services is last mile contention; but TV runs at up to 1Mbs, and audio is currently only about 96kbs. The only disadvantage of internet radio I can see is not being able to listen in the car, but with mobile broadband and the ever expanding wi-fi network even that will be possible soon.

PaulHThompson | 9 May 2008 - 10:35pm

Diversity is the answer but it doesn't bring home the bacon

I think Steve Turner and JJ nailed it when they point out how audiences love to hear something different - it doesn't even need to be by the sort of bands that John Peel championed - the fact that Virgin when it started out with its test transmissions was playing Pink Floyd, Genesis.... etc. but not the usually stuff we hear from those bands and people listened in large numbers. Radio Caroline throughout the 1970's stuck fast to its rock album format and had a huge loyal following. The Dutch radio station The Arrow (far superior to the english version)followed the same format as Radio Caroline and built up such a huge audience (for a foreign language medium wave station)that it had both BBC and ILR station bosses crying foul and asking for the dutch authorities to silence the station (unfortunately the station changed frequency to FM only at the beginning of the year)
Maybe if someone like Bryan May is serious about saving Planet Rock then he could do a lot worse than to examine the success of these two stations in building a loyal following but I think ultimately it will all boil down to money and we'll end up with a diluted pop rock station copying the same playlist as a million others stations.

colmac | 8 May 2008 - 7:15pm

Why listen to Radio when you can download what you want to

Downloading might or might not be killing music but it's certainly killing radio. Why listen to to a specialist or a commercial station when you can download anything new or old, free of charge, put it on the mp3 player, listen to it and if you dont like it throw it away.

stmirrenbill | 9 May 2008 - 8:45pm