Rock Goes To College - Philosophy.


Having A Right Ol' Think Up

It doesn't seem to happen so often today - but there was a period when Rock and Pop lyricists would get themselves frowny browed and airy headed after indulging in extended periods of pondering, beard stroking and tangling with philosophical knots and theological tangles.

The end result being concerned clucks, cod philosophy, home made (and typically ham fisted) mini mantras and motivational motifs that would have caused Patience Strong to wince an eye and fire up the shredder. Theories, thesis and tittle tattle on topics like..

Multiculturalism

"Ebony and Ivory live together in perfect harmony Side by side on my piano keyboard, Oh lord, why don't we"

Global conflict

"War is stupid, and people are stupid, and love means nothing in some strange quarters"

Stoicism

"You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you just might find You get what you need"

"Don't worry be happy"

So.. does anyone else have any quotes to add to ‘Rock and Pop Book of Philosophy'

Nihilism

"No future".

Vulpes Vulpes | 14 May 2008 - 3:49pm

Sexuality

GIRLS WHO ARE BOYS
WHO LIKE BOYS TO BE GIRLS
WHO DO BOYS LIKE THEY'RE GIRLS
WHO DO GIRLS LIKE THEY'RE BOYS
ALWAYS SHOULD BE SOMEONE YOU REALLY LOVE

Retropath2 | 14 May 2008 - 5:17pm

Existentialism meets semiotics

Some say a man ain't happy, truly
Until a man truly dies
Oh why, oh why
Sign o' the times

Archie Valparaiso | 14 May 2008 - 5:22pm

I'm not sure what the 'ism' is but

"It ain't what you do, it's the way that you do it"

ivan | 14 May 2008 - 6:32pm

Quoted for Truth (sic)

"Unrequited love is just a step from chronic masturbation"

Kentonist | 14 May 2008 - 6:33pm

Half full half biscuit

"There is nothing better in life
Than writing on the sole of your slipper with a biro
On a Saturday night
Instead of going to the pub."

Nick White | 15 May 2008 - 7:54am

Sting muses on the likelihood of human perpetuity...

Hey mighty brontosaurus
Don't you have a message for us.
You thought your rule would always last
There were no lessons in your past.
You were built three stories high
They say you would not hurt a fly
If we explode the atom bomb,
Would they say that we were dumb.

Good, and indeed, grief.

Patrick Crowther | 14 May 2008 - 7:22pm

By Sting, aged 8.

I've often had to mark this kind of rubbish from children, but from them it's acceptable, and they don't earn millions.
(Have to share my favourite example - in a poem about Father Christmas delivering presents: "Oh dear, we haven't got enough / We'll have to miss out Brian Clough." Hands off, Sting!)

Nick White | 14 May 2008 - 9:12pm

Sting and Bono

Twaddle Dee and Twaddle Dum

Dave C | 15 May 2008 - 10:44am

Sting

With all the discussions about reappraisals on here surely its time---nah forget it.

bingham | 15 May 2008 - 3:21pm

On the subject of Mr: Policeman

"Do the Russians love their children too .?"
Do you love your children ? Does Sting ? Do his parents love him ?

On The Fence | 20 May 2008 - 9:05am

Wasn't it Stiff Records...

that came up with the classic "Fuck art, let's dance."?

spikeyboy | 14 May 2008 - 8:06pm

probably...

When madness were touring in 2006, they were selling t-shirts with that very slogan on them. Of course I bought one.

Of course i've also not had much of the nerve to wear it that much either. Not much cop as a dancer, me, see!

ivan | 15 May 2008 - 9:49am

Reflections On The Afterlife

"I don't want to see a ghost,
It's the sign that I fear most
I'd rather have a piece of toast"

Des'ree

Dave C | 14 May 2008 - 8:41pm

I wouldn't mind,

but I just posted those lyrics in a thread about crap lyrics...

spikeyboy | 15 May 2008 - 10:23pm

Oh the humanity...

Julian Cope said it best, I feel.
"People I see, just remind me of moo-ing like a cow on the grass,
but that's not to say
That there's anything wrong with being a cow anyway,
but people are people,
with the added advantage of the spoken word,
we're getting on fine,
but I feel more of a man when I get with the herd"

Pete Kavanagh | 14 May 2008 - 8:42pm

Mr Bolan...

said..
What's it like to be a loon?
I liken it to a balloon!

Wise words mate!

Stevegc | 15 May 2008 - 1:37am

I'm A Big Fan Of Bolan

But I may have to start digging for other clunkers in the catalogue

Dave C | 15 May 2008 - 10:46am

Crap couplets a go-go

Bopping down by the whirlpool
I met a girl; she was God's tool
- "Beltane Walk"

Hiding in the road
Like a Pasolini toad
Gonna give up all my load
- "Chariot Choogle"

You're a tie-dyed statuette
'Cause you dance the minuet
- "Savage Beethoven"

. . . and on and on. (And I'm a big fan of Bolan too.)

Archie Valparaiso | 15 May 2008 - 11:38am

Bolan deep

You're gonna look fine
With you lizard leather boots on
You pull the strings that control the faces of men

then something about Alan Freed knowing then John Lennon knowing---
"Ballrooms of Mars"

Brilliant actually!!

bingham | 15 May 2008 - 3:19pm

All you need to know about life

10cc say

Life is a minestrone
Served up with parmesan cheese
Death is a cold Lasagne
Suspended in deep freeze

Elton John says

Life isn't everything, isn't everything

and Opus say

Life is life

Sven | 15 May 2008 - 7:28am

Elton

Did Elton get Bernie Taupin's help with that one?

kb | 15 May 2008 - 3:27pm

Just looked that one up

It was called Song for Guy about someone he knew who had just died. Didn't realise that. Oops.

Sven | 15 May 2008 - 5:19pm

History according to Professor Morrissey

As Anthony said to Cleopatra, as he opened a crate of ale,
Oh I say...

Ben Milne | 15 May 2008 - 9:28am

What we need is a great big melting pot

Big enough to take the world and all it's got
Keep it stirring for a hundred years or more
and turn out coffee-coloured people by the score.

However...

If everybody looked the same...we'd get tired of looking at each other.

Paul Waring | 15 May 2008 - 9:47am

Greenaway and Cook

Blue Mink with the ace Madeline Bell.

And so soon after our recent ABBA reappraisal!

The Hollies! White Plains! Whistling Jack Smith! David and Jonathan! And many more!

Bring it on! Where's me Oxford Bags and kipper tie?

Vulpes Vulpes | 15 May 2008 - 11:12am

While we're at it

Surely this is an ideal moment to get Mickey Most reinstated as a Thoroughly Good Thing. This was one of the greatest riffs/intros in the history of pop:

Archie Valparaiso | 15 May 2008 - 11:46am

Aw heck!

Let's hear it for Chinn and Chapman too...

Vulpes Vulpes | 15 May 2008 - 2:41pm

Now they are worthy of recognition

Chinn and Chapman I mean.

Sven | 15 May 2008 - 4:40pm

Reappraisal of Abba?

Haven't they been highly regarded as purveyors of classic pop for some time now?

Sven | 15 May 2008 - 12:37pm

Marxism

- 'Skank Bloc Bologna' by Scritti Politti. Amongst loads of other isms, including ones I'm sure Green made up.

Richieboy | 15 May 2008 - 12:41pm

Uncorrected Personality Traits...

The title says it all for this Robyn Hitchcock masterpiece if you want psychological theory:

Uncorrected personality traits that seem whimsical in a child may prove to be ugly in a fully grown adult.
Lack of involvement with the father,
or over-involvement with the mother,
can result in lack of ability to relate to sexual fears,
and in homosexual leanings, narcissism, transexuality (girls from the waist up/men from the waist down),
attempts to be your own love object.
Reconcile your parents to you by becoming both at once!
Even Marilyn Monroe was a man, but this tends to get overlooked by our mother-fixated, overweight, sexist media.

So:
Uncorrected personality traits that seem whimsical in a child may prove to be ugly in a fully grown adult.
If you give in to them every time they cry
They will become little tyrants but they won't remember why
Then when they are thwarted by people in later life
They will become psychotic and they won't make an ideal husband or wife
The spoiled baby grows into the escapist teenager who's
the adult alcoholic who's the middle-aged suicide. (Oy.)

So:
Uncorrected personality traits that seem whimsical in a child may prove to be ugly in a fully grown adult.

Janice | 15 May 2008 - 1:15pm

The code of the Samurai

1. In Watching The Wildlife, Frankie Goes To Hollywood frontman Holly Johnson advocates a way of life which has value in and of itself:

"If you live by the sword
well that's your own reward."

However the lyrics for Relax teach us that such swordsmanship requires technique and discipline. One cannot simply go waving one's sword around willy-nilly.

2. The La's Lee Mavers on the importance of a good breakfast for promoting mental agility:

"On this street for knowledge
You must eat your porridge"

3. The Cranberries' Dolores O'Riordan uses Bosnia as a contemporary example of the socio-political ills of the world, while also experimenting with mixed tenses:

"I would like to state my vision
life was so unfair
We live in our secure surroundings
And people die out there."

backwards7 | 15 May 2008 - 1:21pm

America's dim witted foreign policy

"Wooly Bully, Wooly Bully"
"Wooly Bully"

bingham | 15 May 2008 - 3:13pm

Love is all around

"It only takes a minute, girl, to fall in love"
on the other hand, one could say that
"Love doesn't come in a minute, sometimes it doesn't come at all"
Confusing, n'est ce pas?

skirky | 15 May 2008 - 7:15pm

Indeed

Irrespective of the actual lyricist concerned.....
"Time is on my side" vs "Time waits for no-one".....
The difference a few years make, but who'd of thought the first statement may have carried better. I guess it depends from whose point of view.
(Late late shout for Mick Taylors Santana-esque solo in the latter, nearly cut out entirely by the Glimmer twins, I gather, were it not for Charlie: uncertain as to veracity of this, but as told me, years ago, by Charlies erstwhile next door neighbour, in Lewes, Sussex.)

Retropath2 | 16 May 2008 - 6:37am

repetition

I've just posted the same thing in the Best opening lines bit, but Nick Cave, Into your arms, "I don't believe in an interventionist God..." Start the theological debate now.

PS He also doubts the existence of Angels...

paulwright | 19 May 2008 - 3:12pm

Future dream, a shopping scheme

... placing Mr Rotten in the great empirical tradition of British philospohy since it was right on the money ... (and all the moreso for Manchester airport which is a soulless mall with planes attached)

Glenbervie | 20 May 2008 - 5:38pm

Solipsism

Robbie Williams' entire solo career...

Patrick Crowther | 20 May 2008 - 5:57pm