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Rock bullsh*t

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A favourite rock fact of the Word crew, and one which is resurrected again on the latest podcast, is the one about Dusty Springfield's recording habits. Namely that every vocal performance she does is built up painfully slowly in the studio by recording each individual syllable over and over again until it is perfect.

It's a great fact, and pretty amazing on the face of it. But I think it's nonsense. It has the whiff of a story that has been stretched and exaggerated over the years. I don't doubt that she was probably a perfectionist in the studio, and that a fair amount of "drop-in" re-recording of various phrases may have occurred. But that's not the same thing. If you recording a vocal syllable by syllable it would sound like a robot.

So I'm calling the story's bluff.

Any other rock facts which have the whiff of fiction about them?

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Hmmm.

I dunno. Neil Tennant has first hand experience of recording with Dusty, and he brought it up in the recent podcast. He said it wasn't syllable by syllable, but certainly word by word.

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Bob | 10 May 2011 - 6:02pm

I think he said it was

I think he said it was syllable by syllable.

And I don't find it that difficult to believe at all!

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daddyorchipsblog | 10 May 2011 - 6:23pm

Nah, sorry

Logistically speaking, it just CAN'T be true.

The amount of fiddling needed to correct errors in timing (you would have to hit each syllable spot on at the right time) is just unthinkable. Perhaps in this digital recording age, where you can have unlimited tracks and direct hands-on editing capabilities to fix individual vocal sounds, it may be feasible. But even then it would be tedious beyond belief (and beyond economic sense, if you are talking about studio time).

So at the time of Dusty In Memphis: it would presumably have been eight or sixteen track recording. It would just be impossible to cater to a diva who wanted to sing every single syllable separately and edit together a vocal track from the best ones.

And if it IS true, it's on a par with finding out that Jimi Hendrix actually recorded all his guitar solos with his feet.

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Stephen Merrick | 10 May 2011 - 7:05pm

Well, we can't know.

I don't think there's any percentage in Tennant exaggerating or making it up, and it's corroborated by others.

I find it *hard* to believe, sure, but not impossible.

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Bob | 10 May 2011 - 7:14pm

Jerry Wexler...

...was the producer of Dusty in Memphis. In his autobiography, Rhythm and the Blues, he says 'The sessions were hell', and goes on to describe her 'fragile sensitivity', 'raw nerve ends' and 'neuroses', particularly over the selection of songs. He suggested more than a hundred; she rejected them all.

However he doesn't mention her recording word by word or syllable by syllable. You'd think he'd have mentioned it, if it had happened.

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Inky Fingers | 10 May 2011 - 7:16pm

Am i Right in saying

She recorded the Vocals in New York after receiving the backing tracks from Memphis ?

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Sour Crout | 10 May 2011 - 9:09pm

Yes

Wexler again:

'My original plan was to record in Muscle Shoals, but selecting the songs took so long that we had to cancel and move the sessions to Memphis... Dusty, though,... wouldn't put her voice on a practice track, making it tough for us to work up the arrangements. She wouldn't sing at all.

'We finally cut her vocals back in New York...'

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Inky Fingers | 10 May 2011 - 9:35pm

Worth mentioning

Yes: although Dusty's vocals were recorded in New York, the backing band and the studio that housed them are the great unsung recording set up. Stax Schmax: even a basic glance over the output of Chips Moman's American Sound Studio between 1964 and 1972 reveals a shocking variety and number of sheer wall to wall hits. Joe Tex, Elvis, Neil Diamond, The Box Tops, Brenda Lee, Dionne Warwick, Jackie DeShannon, Arthur Alexander, Wilson Pickett, James & Bobby Purify, The Sweet Inspirations, King Curtis, Joe Simon, Merrilee Rush, Arthur Conley, Bobby Womack, Herbie Mann, B.J. Thomas and John Prine all recorded there. I believe Ace Records are working on a long-overdue compilation CD; but until then, stick this on shuffle:

http://open.spotify.com/user/lucashare/playlist/04EGr0uRgSmNxe5fCaKU0J

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Lucas Hare | 11 May 2011 - 2:45pm

Ask Bobby Gillespie's producers

some of them had to cut and splice each good word from different takes to get anything approaching something suitable for album release.

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jimmyshoes01 | 10 May 2011 - 8:18pm

Agree

Having heard the "final" result on the Screamadelica programme one shudders to think what the first takes sounded like.

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Twangothan | 10 May 2011 - 8:22pm

I agree with Stephen

It's bollocks. It would be incredibly hard with modern computer based editing. Impossible with tape. They probably did a fair amount of "dropping in" where the tape runs and the engineer punches into record for a word or phrase, but that is not at all the same as recording each word individually.

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Twangothan | 10 May 2011 - 8:21pm

And I read the same thing in a

piece in another popular rock monthly on 'Dusty in Memphis' from another producer so I'm afraid it may be strange but its true

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DogFacedBoy | 10 May 2011 - 6:26pm

Pity. I was hoping the OP was correct..

Then this legend could be consigned to the Dusty Bin

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STD | 10 May 2011 - 7:08pm

Ted Rodgers

looks like he's just wandered off the set of The Prisoner.

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Brookster | 10 May 2011 - 7:28pm

Rover

That would have made the Prisoner even more sinister - if Rover had been Dusty Bin rather than a beach ball. Very League of Gentlemen.

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paulwright | 10 May 2011 - 8:04pm

C3PO and R2D2

The variety years

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Roo | 10 May 2011 - 10:30pm

Tango

I think I read somewhere that Stevie Nick's vocals on the 'Tango in the Night' album were done by splicing together words/short phrases, but this was more due to her being off her nut on various pills.

as far as Dusty goes, I think there are words/syllables that *could* have been 'dropped' in (the 'Pro-oo-oo-ooved' at the climax of the chorus for instance). I doubt that each and every 'it' and 'and' would have been treated in the same way though. But it's probably the examples of her dropping in syllables that would stick in your mind if you'd been there.

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sam and janet e... | 10 May 2011 - 7:30pm

That sounds

like the most likely answer to what actually happened.

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Stephen Merrick | 11 May 2011 - 12:33pm
Fridge | 10 May 2011 - 8:30pm

Crap

I can't imagine that it's true, although Dusty was notoriously fastidious in the studio, and a nightmare for producers, I haven't seen any evidence to suggest a technique which if technically possible, would surely be detectable on the recordings.

As for the recordings with the PSB, Dusty was in ill health, and her voice was pretty much shot, so I can imagine it was difficult - similar situation to Tammy Wynette on Justified and Ancient.

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torrential1 | 10 May 2011 - 8:45pm

Ok get Tennant back in

call Jeremy Kyle and get a lie detector done. Cos some people who didn't ever work with Dusty Springfield reckon his pants are on fire

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DogFacedBoy | 10 May 2011 - 9:59pm

Forever a mystery

If Neil says its true, then it absolutely must be a 100% factoid.

Her voice must of been a shadow of its former glory when he worked with her, so lets remember when she was this good live.

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torrential1 | 11 May 2011 - 12:53am

who actually wrote the lyrics to AC/DC's Back in Black album?

popular legend has it that the songs are so good that Bon Scott must have wrote some of them before he died. I've read this in a lot of poorly researched articles about AC/DC over the years. All bollocks of course. Subsequent biographies of the band and well informed reportage indicates that Brian Johnson penned most of them and although Angus and Malcolm chipped in on some songs they mainly busied themselves with the melodies and guitar parts, well as the wider business aspects of the album.

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rocker43 | 10 May 2011 - 9:35pm

Hmm

Mr Tennant was there and producing the track in question - don't see what more evidence you want. Prior to in-the-box mixing technology, it was tedious to splice or bounce multiple takes and punch ins together rather than technically impossible. Cross fading on syllables can be done even on magnetic tape by changing the angle of the splice although I would think the PSB were recording to (tape based) digital multi-track in that era. That would allow for bouncing multiple takes without any generation loss and any SSL desk of the time would allow for automating fade up or down at the right point. Of course, they were also early adopters of sampling technology such as the Synclavier which is another way to compile a master take from multiple sources. I'm not saying it is easy - far from it.

Have you listened to the podcast? It sounds pretty genuine and heartfelt to me.

gb

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gordyboy77 | 10 May 2011 - 10:22pm

He sounds like a nice genuine guy

He really does. I have nothing against him at all.

But even the best of us exaggerate our anecdotes to make them sound more interesting. Especially as time goes on and old age encroaches and truth starts to merge with fiction in your head...

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Stephen Merrick | 11 May 2011 - 5:14pm

I do

seem to remember seeing Mariah Carey adopt a similar syllable-by-syllable approach on Fame Academy when making a recording about 9 or 10 years ago.

It looked like an incredibly tedious process, but that's Mariah for you.

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KDH | 10 May 2011 - 10:51pm

And doesn't legend have it

And doesn't legend have it that Mr Oldfield insisted on recording Maggie Reilly's vocals on "Moonlight Shadow" and "To France" word by word and syllable by syllable? That was well before Pro Tools.

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Trevor_Raggatt | 10 May 2011 - 11:08pm

and, legendarily, Mutt Lange

recorded and treated individual guitar notes before combining them to make chords whilst recording Def Leppard's Hysteria album

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stimpy | 11 May 2011 - 12:40pm

Dunno, unless you dissenting

Dunno, unless you dissenting chap/pesses are audio engineers, I don't see why this would be such an insurmountable feat.

She mutters; it's recorded; it's spliced together. Cumbersome, sure. Impossible? Why?

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daddyorchipsblog | 10 May 2011 - 11:55pm

It doesn't matter

Print the myth!!!!!

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Chimney Singing... | 11 May 2011 - 12:46pm

Rock Myths

That Captain Beefheart taught The Magic Band exactly what to play on Trout Mask Replica by using a piano

That The Fall are 'always different; always the same' is a great John Peel line, but patently not true.

Incidentally, Jimbo Morrison's drunken vocal at the end of 'Wild Child' (from the S**t Parade) was apparently stitched together from various outtakes, or so I heard.

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pessoa | 11 May 2011 - 1:22pm

The Fall

If you take that comment to mean that they're always different to other bands, yet always the same in terms of their own sound, I'd say it was quite accurate.

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Spartacus Mills | 11 May 2011 - 1:37pm

I do know what you mean, but

I do know what you mean, but I think the change from the 1978 punk sound to the 90s dance sound and beyond is still quite fundamental (he says so much less on the songs now for a start) and in any case that comment has been trotted out in reviews rather too often. Mind you, that other line about 'if its Mark E Smith and your granny on the bongoes,then it's The Fall', is spot on.

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pessoa | 11 May 2011 - 1:49pm

Fair points

It is perhaps unfair to say they always sound the same, having spanned punk, krautrock, country, rockabilly, baggy...etc at various times. But whatever era you're listening to, you know it's The Fall! Maybe that's what Peely meant?

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Spartacus Mills | 11 May 2011 - 2:01pm

Yes! The Captain Beefheart myth...

Good one. That's definitely another dodgy story that's grown in the telling, isn't it?

Troutmaskreplica sounds like a bunch of random tuneless improvisations. And it purports to be a carefully rehearsed tight performances which follow exactly the templates worked out by the Captain. The truth, I feel, is somewhere in between (but probably more the former than the latter).

I still love the album though!

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Stephen Merrick | 11 May 2011 - 5:11pm
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