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Richad Bacon - Just how shit?
Posted by woodface on 14 January 2010 - 8:25pm.
My god his new show is shit! What have 5 live done with the aftenoon schedule, Mayo was always going to be a hard act to follow but they haven't really tried. To make matters worse he is immediately preceded with the hateful Gabby Logan, a more self satisfied media type you will struggle to find. In effect we now have an all day phone in.
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Heard the Cameron interview...
... from the first show. Thought it was pretty good. I'm happy to give him a shot.
Hardly, from what I heard he
Hardly, from what I heard he let Dave take over the show.
Don't aggree...
... Cameron didn't have an easy time. Maybe Bacon didn;t sound like a complete natural, but he wasn't giving him an easy time, no way.
Prejudice against former TV presenters?????
He Was Really Good
On The Thick Of It. Maybe he's better suited to telly. I quite like Gabby on MOTD as well, so possibly a thread here on the opposite of Radio Face.
Of the women who got a job in sports broadcasting
on the back of their famous Dads:
- Kelly Dalglish is good.
- Kirsty Gallagher is hot.
- Gabby Logan's husband seems a decent bloke.
Blimey...
...there's a lot of toxic boy-air in the blogs tonight! Any opinions on the charisma-free monotone footballers who steal jobs from capable journalists, or are nepotism and the power of the pretty face just girl-things?
More magnified in terms
of female presenters, but true in both cases.
For the women, Eleanor Oldroyd of 5 Live is probably the best informed of the lot in terms of football but, without wishing to be unchivalrous, she hasn't got the looks of a few of those who go on to front the likes of Sky. Like it or not, looks play a part.
On the male side of things, it's the macho "show us your medals" thing. Just because someone has played the game to a huigh standard, it does not mean to say they have anything incisive or intelligent to say about it. I have to interview footballers for a living, and believe me, filling a three word feature is a struggle sometimes, never mind 3,000.
Some of the most articulate observers on the game are players lower down the scale. But they won't get a crack at radio or TV punditry because they haven't got the big name. It's the same principle as the ladies, just with a different twist.
The infuriating upside
of the BBC's persistence with Gary Lineker is the way it shows that given sufficient time and patience, almost anyone can become an accomplished television presenter.
His first few appearances were all toe-curling carcrashes, and he was completely bereft of the easy charm he'd shown throughout his playing career.
They pulled him through, he persisted, and he's smashing now of course, but I wonder if there's any way that young journalists would have been indulged with the same patience.
Easy!
No.
Oh lawdy...
...does a tale hang thereby?
Several dozen from
several dozen journos I know!
I don't think it was misogeny, just that I doubt
whether these 3 would have got so far so fast without their dad's connections. I agree with you about many of the footballers who turn pundit, most of them are hopeless.
More generally I am not sure whether 5Live is a good place for women journalists. There have been some excellent women on 5Live, but they don't seem to stay long. Not that I have looked at it in depth, but Jane Garvey for example was superb. I have followed her to Womans Hour and discovered the equally excellent Jenny Murray. I liked Fi Glover a lot but god knows what they did with her. On the other hand her replacement (another woman) was a disaster.
I like Anita Anand and she has a decent shot at it because the format of Drive works and Peter Allen is a good partner. I like Rachel Burden and now that she now she doesn't have to carry Nicky Campbell hopefully she will thrive.
An example
Anyone read Gavin Strachan's blog on BBC Sport when he was with Notts County? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/gavinstrachan/)
It was an interesting and not badly written read, talking about life as a footballer in the lower leagues. One of his later blogs talked about being released by County and dealt with the issue of losing your job in a really interesting way. Now, admittedly he's not hugely photogenic, but he'd be more interesting than some as a pundit, I'll be bound
Perhaps these women know a lot about sport
because of the families they come from? My father in law is an oscar winning film producer, and my wife has a phenomenal knowledge of how the film business works. Presumably, from having her father talk to her about his job as she was growing up.
I'm a little concerned about some of the casual mysogyny that I've been encountering on The Word blog, recently. A while ago, I was shocked to see someone refer to Mylene Klass as a "bitch." I didn't log onto the site again for several days after that. I'm pretty sure these are just isolated incidents. I certainly hope so.
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree
The children of famous or successful people have it tough I reckon; they have a lot to live up to and their folks cast a long shadow. They are soft targets for nepotism accusations, and yet kids everywhere often follow in their parents' footsteps regardless of profession (as with your wife, it's genes and environment having an effect).
I like Gabby Logan, she presents TV shows well and does know her football.
I disagree
My father was one of the best tilers in Scotland, called in to historic houses for restorations etc.
What I know about tiling could be written on the back of a postage stamp. It just doesn't work that way.
However, nepotism is pretty strong in all forms of journalism viz the Talentless Corens
Hmm
I'd disagree about Victoria, who doesn't write badly at all. Less enamoured of Giles though.
neither are talentless...
both a pretty good writers and TV presenters. You might not like what they do but it doesn't make them talentless. Especially that Giles chap he can write an ill-thought out angry and offensive email quicker than most people can turn their computer on.
I know it's been said recently...
...of a previously charming young rap singer, but what is it that can turn a seemingly affable columnist and restaurant reviewer into a potty-mouthed, paranoid, self-important, sub-editor-bating maniac at the drop of a hat? Who nose...
Very droll!
Very droll!
I can find you 50 people up
I can find you 50 people up here in Glasgow who are every bit as quick, angry and offensive if those are your criteria for good journalism- the Corens got where they are because of a not very funny Dad who schmoozed with the professional "wits" at the BBC. Sad but true.
I'm not sure...
... of context, but I don't think its sexist to call someone a bitch. There are plenty of male-only insults. Maybe the context was important.
I like Gabby.
Crispy, however, is a knob-end. Mind you, Simon Mayo got some stick when he started off so I should give him a chance.
How does
everyone manage to listen to daytime radio? Don't the majority of jobs make that a tricky thing to do? Or are people listening later on iPlayer?
I was
wondering about that as well.
I mentioned on another thread....
Upon hearing of Mayo's departure I feared for R5's daytime future. First of all, I rather like Richard Bacon; his nighttime show was really good and suited the slot perfectly, but he's a poor replacement for the brilliant Simon Mayo, with not a fraction of Mayo's intellect nor his deft touch with pretty much any topic. Every day, Simon Mayo had an eclectic selection of guests, with whom he always managed to engage on the perfect level - popular and intelligent. Just fantastic radio. Yesterday, just about the whole Bacon show was given over to a debate on whether the Simpsons is the best TV show, like, ever. God help us.
Today he had Danny Cohen, BBC3 controller on, and gave him an astonishingly easy ride. Not a single challenging question and no mention of the worst-ever decision by a TV executive. ie: the cancellation of PULLING.
Then there's Logan... Oh Christ almighty. Tuesday we got 'As this is my second show in this slot, text in and tell me what you're doing today for the second time.' What next? 'What is your favourite colour?' The stultifying inanity has made me reach for the 'off' button for the first time in nine years. I'm pretty gutted about it, actually.
You're not wrong about Gabby, Pocket. Sadly..
I have cocked an ear and winced. I do suspect that she's been handed a blueprint for the show and is currently struggling with it. Give her time. It can only get better.
Right with you on that 'what
Right with you on that 'what have you done for 2nd time today' thread, even worse was Bacons 'get your questions answered' slot on Thursday. Did you see/hear that horrible 'rules of chat' trailer they ran a couple of weeks ago? Gaby Logan has been shifted around the schedules for years now, she is crap. There are some really good female presenters around, Claire Balding for example, but looks really count.
Yesterday...
...the big topic for discussion was 'A report says sales of doggie coats have risen by 70%. Text in and tell me what you think.' Doggie coats. Fuck me.
The sports panel that Mayo ran (excellently) for an hour on Fridays, was cut to 30 minutes. More time to read punters' texts about doggie coats.
I was entirely ambivalent about Gabby Logan until now, but do realise that the editorial control is not hers. Whomsoever's responsible for this kack needs boiling.
You think this is bad..
On Friday, This Morning is presented by Eamonn Holmes and his partner, Ruth Langsford, and the pair of them continually bicker. Eamonn looks like he simply doesn't want to be there. Today they were discussing skin-to-skin contact as a way of addressing intimacy issues and he did nothing but glare resentfully at the camera.
Truly it makes you long for the Monday-Thursday partnership of Philip Schofield and Holly Willoughby. What can you say that hasn't already been said about Pip. He's always affable and well turned out, while Holly has settled in beautifully. Her hair now accounts for such a large percentage of the area above her shoulders that I think she must be using a satellite dish for a volumiser.
No, no, no...
...telly should remain 'off' until 8pm.
You must be joking.
That TV goes on the moment I crack open the first Special Brew of the day.
It's Richard not Richad*
and I should know...
Every time you slag off Gabby Logan somewhere in the world a little daffodil dies.
Frankly, of all the ex-Blue Peter radio presenters, he's not a patch on this guy:
http://www.gordonpoole.com/?artistID=1342
*no I'm not Richard Bacon.
Well, it's my impression
that he's making a pigs ear of things. Hamming it up, even. He's not great at grilling interviewees, not even small fry. His style obviously can't be cured. Up to now, I'd say he's making a real dog's breakfast of the situation. His streak of good luck seems to be coming to a close. Maybe he's smoked too much. Still, even in the lean years, there's a good chance he'll be back.
Terrible puns? Pancetta believe it!