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Redundant sub-plots

LOUDspeaker's picture

A rant:
I watched the latest episode of Bones last night. For some reason the makers seem to think the audience gives a toss about the university application of a fourth tier supporting character (the adopted daughter of an important, but second tier character). She's been in about three episodes before, and is usually seen having an unreasonable hissy-fit at her mother. In other words, she's at best an unimportant, and never enjoyable part of a few previous episodes.

So can someone explain why I should care about what university she's going to apply to go to? How, in the middle of a murder investigation into a woman drowned in the world's largest chocolate bar, am I supposed to care? This isn't a soap opera. No one is watching Bones for this stuff.

It reminds me of Dirt, Dead Like Me and 24.

Dirt (the Courtney Cox drama about a magazine editor) started okay. Then, after about four episodes, it climaxed its story and then started a new storyline. That is when the problems set in. In the first storyline two mid-level Hollywood actors were at the heart of what was going on. In the new storyline they weren't involved. The obvious thing to do was drop the characters and maybe return to them later when there was something for them to do. Instead they kept these characters going with an irrelevant sub-plot that had zero connection to the real story involving Courtney Cox. The sub-plot was tiresome, boring and above all else irrelevant. Mainly for this reason I gave up on the show.

Dead Like Me (teenager dies, comes back to help the Grim Reaper) also suffered from this. In the pilot episode we got a lot of stuff about her family. She dies and is from then on separated from her family. And yet for some reason every episode had a big chunk of running time devoted to tiresome and irrelevant sub-plots about her family. Plots that had no bearing or connection to the main story, or even the characters from the main cast. Just boring domestic stuff. It was one of the reasons why I gave up after seeing about six episodes.

The second season of 24 was the worst. I remember fast forwarding through all the Eliza Cuthbert sub-plots which saved me about ten minutes on each episode. Her storylines had zero connection to what Keifer Sutherland was doing, and I believe I missed nothing.

You know what the annoying thing about this Bones storyline is? It wasn't even brought to a conclusion by the end of the episode. Which suggests to me that this "plot" might come back to waste more screentime.

Any other shows with sub-plots, or characters, they would be best to drop?

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24 - Kim

But didn't she narrowly escape a grisly death at the hands of a fierce cougar?? Had me quivering behind the sofa...

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poolhallrichard | 17 February 2011 - 11:47am

Ah, yes...

I was cheering the cougar.

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Jon | 17 February 2011 - 12:30pm

quivering *on* the sofa, more like...

run, Kim, run...

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Oscar Patterson | 17 February 2011 - 1:04pm

Kim with a 'cougar'?

Mmmmmmmmm......

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Black Type | 17 February 2011 - 1:27pm

Anything involving Kim

had me reaching for the ffwd button. Am on Season 7 repeats atm on Sky Atlantic and am hoping she doesn't show her face again before the end of the whole series. Hasn't been spotted for 3 seasons but I thought the same about Tony Almeida

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DogFacedBoy | 17 February 2011 - 5:40pm

Turn it into a fun game.

Whenever she turns up, imagine that at any second she's going to get mauled by a cougar.
Well, it certainly kept me going through 108 hours of PAIN.

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murrance | 17 February 2011 - 7:30pm

I don't get it

what does this post have to do with the Clash (not) being sh*t or the Twin Towers being a conspiracy? What's going on?

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badartdog | 17 February 2011 - 2:17pm

It's just a redundant sub plot

Not going anywhere, distracting from The Clash blew up the Twin Towers on 9 November discussion. No-one really cares but it'll hang around for a bit to provide a space for a minor but recurring member of the Massive (such as myself) to feel they have a significant role.

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Humphrey Plugg | 17 February 2011 - 2:21pm

There are no minor members

just people who post more regularly than others.

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Carl Parker | 17 February 2011 - 7:46pm

The naked and the dead

Or the following or the followed I belive they are called

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DogFacedBoy | 17 February 2011 - 7:52pm

Next!

I still recall the brothel truck...

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Humphrey Plugg | 18 February 2011 - 9:33am

Yes

I am going through a bit of a Scott Walker obsession atm

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DogFacedBoy | 18 February 2011 - 12:30pm

Don Draper's real identity in Mad Men

I only started watching Mad Men half-way through the second series, but I found the story about Don Draper's stolen identity just got in the way. It just didn't seem to fit in with the realism of the the rest of the series, and the storylines around it seemed contrived, as though the writers weren't interested in it either.

It might have worked in something like Desperate Housewives, which from the start has mixed up melodrama with the mundane (and a fair amount of tongue in cheek). It didn't seem to fit in with a show which is trying for an almost documentary approach at times.

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Melville | 17 February 2011 - 2:32pm

I disagree.

It was one of the largest building blocks that the show was made upon. Remove it and half the show disappears. It's not a sub-plot, it is the main plot. It just happens to usually hang around in the background most of the time instead of taking centre stage.

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LOUDspeaker | 17 February 2011 - 4:03pm

I find Don Draper to be a redundant sub plot

The least interesting character in the programme.

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Danny | 17 February 2011 - 8:20pm

The Mad Men writers

seem to lose interest in plots all the time. Betty Draper's fumble with the little boy in series one was another one that amounted to nothing.

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Albert Edward | 17 February 2011 - 5:02pm

I don't think they lose interest.

It's the style. They pick a subject up, turn it upside and have a sniff at it then put it back where they found it like no one had touched it. Half the point of the programme is to suggest great drama under the bland surface, when in "fact" there is nothing underneath. The hollowness of the programme is half the point, and echoes Don Draper to perfection.

See also There Will Be Blood for a similar superficial engagement with seemingly weighty subject matter. My review of that film, which can in some ways be applied to Mad Men:

"Brilliant mock epic with deceptively slow pacing about big, half digested subjects
The film fakes the epic look and style. In my opinion it's more of a pose than the real thing. The feel and sense of epic, big, slow storytelling on a large canvas is more important than the actual story, which is rather prosaic and not overly eventful. I assume the book is a 900 page monster that is as good as unreadable nowadays, and that this is a very loose adaptation. The choice of book is more for the subject matter than for the actual quality of the story itself.

I think the stately pace isn't half as slow as most people think it is. I found the film to be briskly, if unhurried, in it's pacing. Also there is almost zero meandering. It might feel like it's meandering all over the place but I think almost every shot, every moment in the film earns its place. The last section, in the mansion, is 25 minutes long and only has two substantial scenes. To me it doesn't feel like 25 minutes.

It tackles big subjects in an esoteric way but I don't think the film really gets its teeth around any of it and leaves most of it vague and half digested on purpose. It's suggestive of big conflicts but leaves everything unsaid and obscure. For example the fight when Plainview pushes the priest into the puddle of oil. It feels deep and seems to be saying something profound. It's a great moment but really, is it more than a great visual or is it actually saying something? I think it's a great visual full of suggestive power, but I really don't think the makers have any well worked out ideas about what the scene truly means. I don't care as I'm happy to go with the suggestion of depths.

The film is pretentious, but it's the best kind of pretentious. It's not up itself for the inflated glory of its own makers. It's up itself for the entertainment of its viewers. Yes, I consider the film to be authentically entertaining. Sure, it's difficult, maybe even challenging, in some ways, but in other ways its a pseudo-intellectual rollercoaster ride. It makes you feel smart just for being able to sit through it.

I've seen it twice and it stands up every bit as much on second viewing than it did on the first. A brilliant film. And perhaps all the more enjoyable for not being the real thing with real depths of meaning. The pretentious emperor's new clothes are perhaps more beguiling, more entertaining and more thought provoking than the real thing. I like a little plastic in my soul.

The DVD extras are rubbish and you're just as well buying the single disc version if it's cheaper. The only interesting extra was a deleted scene called "Go Fishing". It has a moment were Plainview tells the head of the family he bought the land from that he has contempt for him and that he thinks his priest son is crazy. It's one of the very few moments in the whole film where he explicitly articulates what he thinks. I can see why it was deleted as it gave too much away for a film which goes out its way to say as little as possible."

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LOUDspeaker | 17 February 2011 - 5:19pm

Certainly, I can see...

that it's the Mad Men MO to do this sort of thing, but it's jolly convenient for them is what I'd say. Like if I can't be arsed to shave in the morning I kid myself I'm rocking designer stubble that day.

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Albert Edward | 17 February 2011 - 5:43pm

I do that every three days

It's a perfectly valid reason for not having shaved.

Also at the weekend pulling on yesterdays t-shirt with the thought 'Ill get sorted later on, it's Saturday' is perfectly valid until the point you realise you're not going to get sorted.

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SimonL | 18 February 2011 - 1:53pm

Don Draper

stole his identity from a mad man? Or have I missed something?

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policybloke1 | 17 February 2011 - 4:57pm

Nicki & Paolo

two characters introduced in Lost and went down so badly they were given back story and buried alive in the space of one episode

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DogFacedBoy | 17 February 2011 - 4:58pm

More Lost

My favourite season of Lost was season 4, but how pointless was the Jack-having-his-appendix-out subplot?!

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kidpresentable | 17 February 2011 - 7:53pm

There's that

and the 'Jack's spooky tattoo' episode that resulted in him getting a right kicking from everyone in town.

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DogFacedBoy | 17 February 2011 - 7:59pm

Of course!

Of course! That was another bad one. He had his moments, but I was never a big fan of Jack Shephard.

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kidpresentable | 18 February 2011 - 2:39am

Most things outside the Scooby Gang in Buffy

See Dawn, Willow's drippy girlfriend, Buffy's dull boyfiend and so on.

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Gatz | 17 February 2011 - 5:16pm

I know a lot of people didn't like Dawn

me included, but she was key (pun intended) to the plot of series 5. While Riley (I assume you refer to him as the dull boyfiend, although your typo could make it refer to Angel or Spike) had a pretty important role in series 4.

However, I would say that the new Principal/son of previous Slayer killed by Spike in Series 7 was a classic redundant sub-plot

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Humphrey Plugg | 17 February 2011 - 7:39pm

Boyfiend

Yes, I did mean Riley. He was inmportant to the story, but I was staggered at how an operative with a secret organisation (which had a huge underground headquarters and ... and ... everything!) who spent a double life skirmishing with the creatures of darkness could be unremittingly boring. It may well be the character, or his lack of personality, which bothered me more than his storyline.

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Gatz | 17 February 2011 - 9:13pm

Surely Tara

and her story arcs developed through Seasons 5-6, culminating (SPOILER ALERT) in her murder (BUGGER! YOU'VE READ IT NOW!) was a central plot development in the lead-up to Bad Willow?

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Black Type | 17 February 2011 - 9:13pm

Also, let's not forget...

...what would "Once More With Feeling" be without Tara? She is pretty drippy for quite a while, but Season 6 is where they found something for her to do, rather than just be a hook on which to hang Willow's lezzing up.

Ha. I just remembered that great parallel universe episode (Doppelgängland) where Willow meets her vampire self.

Willow: It's horrible! That's me as a vampire? I'm so evil and... skanky. And I think I'm kinda gay.
Buffy: Willow, just remember, a vampire's personality has nothing to do with the person it was.
Angel: Well, actually... [Buffy gives him a hard look] That's a good point.

As you were.

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Bob | 18 February 2011 - 1:49pm

Oooh,

Vamp Willow.

Back soon :-)

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Black Type | 18 February 2011 - 5:29pm

Respect...

a chap who can recite lines from BTVS, and quote the episode name. Is this you?

*smiley*

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ivan | 18 February 2011 - 5:30pm

Before I answer that....

...first, you must answer me these questions three.

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Bob | 18 February 2011 - 6:01pm

Heroes

Became nothing but a loosely affiliated collection of dull, directionless subplots. Everytime something seemed quite interesting, it got swallowed up by the morass of stodgy second-level characters who just went around aimlessly being 'special'.

Flash Forward suffered from a similar malaise, which was a shame as it had a briliant premise and the final episodes were quite gripping. The Event looked like it would do the same, though it seems to have disappeared for reasons unknown.

The clever thing about Mad Men is that sub-plots can come back several episodes or even series later. The kid from the first series Albert mentions above turns up to haunt Betty in series 4 and sets a major change in motion.

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Uncle Monty | 17 February 2011 - 6:27pm

Does he?

Oh, that's very cool!

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Albert Edward | 17 February 2011 - 7:24pm

Does this happen more in US tv shows?

With their longer seasons, must be hard to sustain stories over the whole season without having a bit of padding here and there. Also with the longer seasons plus the larger writing teams, stories might genuinely get lost over time...

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Gauntlet | 17 February 2011 - 6:40pm

Dexter (Possible Spoilers herein)

Although it was a bit of a shock, and quite affecting when I saw it, the bumping off at the end of series 4 did get rid of one of the more irritating characters. Will be interesting to see what happens in S5.

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milkybarnick | 17 February 2011 - 7:14pm

Dexter is a really good example

Why are the writers so interested in the boring marital problems of the boss and her seond in command? I've watched every series and I still can't remember their names.

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Danny | 17 February 2011 - 8:23pm

Sopranos

Vito goes gay.

Fine, but we didn't need to see the sub plot unfold, just be aware of it.

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jimmyshoes01 | 17 February 2011 - 7:18pm

Redundant...

... in the sense that if it hadn't been there I wouldn't be saying "I can't BELIEVE they never gave Vito the hour-long coming party that he so richly deserved", but not redundant in the sense that I really enjoyed it.

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Jonah | 18 February 2011 - 10:28am

Eastenders

100% redundant sub-plot.

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murrance | 17 February 2011 - 7:32pm

"It's happening again"

Twin Peaks was frustrating viewing because sub-plots were rife and (I expect)intentionally unresolved. Once you found that that *Rolf Harris* killed Laura Palmer, the rest of it just kind of trundled on plot-wise.

I loved the series but at times I wouldn't waste any energy wondering what the signficance of some things were.

There was also one sub-plot relationship between the local young rural cop and a smart-ass bald FBI/CIA agent (not Kyle McLachlan). They didn't like each other at all and the FBI agent would frequently insult (in a Dr House-type way) the hapless young cop, who would be visibly hurt by the savagery of his put-downs.

After a long gap, the FBI/CIA agent returns to Twin Peaks and the same two men embrace each other very warmly, bear hug, pretend boxing fight, laughter, the works. That was never explained.

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Austin | 18 February 2011 - 3:51am

But that was the point

David Lynch was showing how, underneath the veneer of respectable small town America, the place was crawling with corruption, vice etc. No-one was wholly innocent. Plus, it was just a three week look at life in the town so inevitably some issues wouldn't get resolved. It wasn't a conventional murder-mystery in that sense.

IIRC, the smart-arse FBI agent (Albert) did explain his change in character - he had converted to Zen Buddhism!

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Humphrey Plugg | 18 February 2011 - 1:04pm

Lynch got involved

with another project during Season 2 and it just went off the boil. Shame

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DogFacedBoy | 18 February 2011 - 5:08pm

Deadwood

Season 3 had the acting troupe that added nothing to the show. I realise they were intended to show the arrival of "culture" to the camp but they had no real function dramatically. I presume they were going to be drawn into the rest of the community more in Season 4 but it was never made which is a real shame.

Also as for The Sopranos I didn't mind the gay/Vito plot at least it was dramatic. It also provided the most jawdropping scene in the whole series when ultra tough Phil Leotardo literally popped out of a closet.

The Sopranos subplot that had me constantly rolling my eyes and muttering for them to get on with it was Paulie's endless troubles getting his mother into a good old folks home. I don't watch a show about gangsters to see that!

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Cookieboy | 18 February 2011 - 9:01am

Life on Mars

Great entertainment with the 2000s cop in the 1970s world. Redundant subplot regarding why he was there and whether or not he came back. Given that it wasn't real or true, why not concentrate on the entertainment, ie political incorrectness, the 1970s sets and music and don't bother with the ridiculous, pointless and redundant agonising over why he's there and whether he'll get back.
PS I still don't know, nor care whether he did get back or not, I didn't bother with the last episode at all for that reason.

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tagbarrett | 18 February 2011 - 1:11pm

i agree...

as a slight aside, one of the joys of The Walking Dead (go track it down) was that they explained nothing. There's a zombie infestation, and the characters are just dealing with it.

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ivan | 18 February 2011 - 8:15pm

Shame

as I think (and I know others disagree) that it has one of the finest endings of any drama. Ashes to Ashes went and spoilt it by trying to explain everything. In fact it just shouldn't have happened at all. I liked my theories and conclusions, thank you very much

At least it wasn't this

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DogFacedBoy | 18 February 2011 - 5:14pm

FUCKYEAH

LOM USA is the worst ending of anything ever

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STD | 18 February 2011 - 7:14pm

FYI

The Bones episode I discussed in my original post is on Sky Living tonight at 11pm.

Sky 107
Virgin 109 or 110 for HD

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LOUDspeaker | 27 October 2011 - 9:57am
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