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Red red wine

Dave Amitri's picture

I'm a beer man, always have been. I'll occasionally switch to vodka but that's it. Tonight however I have expanded my repertoire, I was cooking some rump steak from M & S, went to the fridge and found myself beerless so I uncorked a bottle of Merlot that I think was a gift from Christmas and thought that will do, red meat = red wine. Lo and behold I actually enjoyed it, obviously I have had the odd glass in the past but I can't say it ever hit the spot but tonight as my third glass would testify it's alright, I'm enjoying it. So where else to go but here for advice and guidance on the do's and don'ts of red wine? I'll avoid the temptation to post UB40 at this point and ask the Oz Clarkes among you to put me on the right track.

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Don't drink too much of it

or you will end up doing stupid things like trying to see if you can get the word Dalek trending on Twitter like I have just done :-))

Given that every other tweet at the moment is about the iPad how come that isn't trending at all?

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GunsOfBrixton | 3 April 2010 - 8:34pm

Go easy on it.

I adore red wine. My recommendation would be go quality rather than quantity. May I recommend, for your first real red wine treat, a Spanish number called Faustino 1. Its about £17 a bottle, but it is the fucking dogs bollocks, as Oz Clarke might say.

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Iainso | 3 April 2010 - 8:44pm

You may be at the start

of a lifetime's pleasure and learning. I'm not an expert at all but I love discovering new varieties, regions and marques.

Currently, my favourites are New Zealand reds. Mainly Pinot Noirs. A little on the pricey side but excellent. Around £8-10 you can pick up an Argentinian Malbec - which is uniformly good.

If you have an Oddbins or Majestic near you - they are a good source of un-snobby unstuffy info.

Here's a webpage to whet your appetite
http://bit.ly/cLjPrQ

A good glass of red wine is - to quote Keats "like a beaker full of the warm south"

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Sheev | 3 April 2010 - 9:02pm

Spot on

The pinot noir grows particularly well in the Central Otago region of New Zealand's south island. And if you have the chance, it's a beautiful place to visit.

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Nick Duvet | 3 April 2010 - 11:59pm

The Liver Is Evil

It must be punished.

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geacher53 | 3 April 2010 - 9:12pm

I`d rather be a good liver

than have one

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On The Fence | 4 April 2010 - 5:44pm

If you like your Merlot

Try a Carmenere. Just had half a bottle tonight, fiver from Majestic. Full bodied, fruity, goes down very well.

If you fancy something extra special, look out for Amarone, or Barolo. Twenty quid a bottle, but for a one-off treat, you won't be disappointed.

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milkybarnick | 3 April 2010 - 9:59pm

Majestic

is a very good place. If your at a supermarket, try and make it Waitrose - they carry very little crap wine. Try and equate the price you pay for a bottle to the cost of 6 beers - if you buy in the right place and try to spend at least 8 quid you'll rarely be let down.

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Leedsboy | 3 April 2010 - 10:05pm

Glasses

Also recommend getting some proper glasses - slightly egg-shaped tapering to the top. Big ones for Burgundy. A size down for Bordeaux. Further down the line - a decanter is an excellent purchase.

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Sheev | 3 April 2010 - 10:16pm

Please tell me

The Merlot wasn't in the fridge.

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Paul Waring | 3 April 2010 - 10:37pm

Loire reds

...and burgandys are great cold. Try any Loirse red out of the fridge - heaven. Dirt cheap in France, expensive here for some reason. They are the ones in the tall pointy bottle rather than the ones in the more classic bottle shape. Any St Nicholas de Bogueil "frais" will be fab.

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Twangothan | 4 April 2010 - 3:57pm

The Merlot

wasn't in the fridge.

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Dave Amitri | 4 April 2010 - 4:11pm

Another stage of puberty, is that red wine

All part of the growing out process - assuming that the massive, like me, are getting into that stage in life where the only growth up you have is as your scalp grows through your hair...

Suddenly dark chocolate will find it's way into the shopping trolley next to a nice little Malbec (worth a try if you liked the Merlot).

It'll blue cheese next, mark my words...

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Bob the dog | 3 April 2010 - 11:06pm

Sod UB40!


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goosefat101 | 3 April 2010 - 11:28pm

Red wine is best coming from where the sun shines.

And, as far as I'm concerned, the sun shines best on the southern end of the Rhône valley.

Côtes Du Rhône is a good starter. Not too pricey, tastes nice, especially the stuff from the last couple of years. Tesco have some fabulous Rhônes and are normally pretty cheap. Look for Vacqueyras - always good value.

Anyone looking to invest in some top-end Bordeaux from the 2009 vintage which already seems to have the wine scribblers milming their kecks?

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Lenny Law | 4 April 2010 - 12:14am

A tremendous addition to wine criticism's lexicon

Robert Parker writes: 'This summer's Muscadet sur lie is the finest wine I have ever sampled from the Loire region. Notes so light and fragrant hint at the alchemy that happens when the gentle nurturing fingers of the North Western France sun caresses the verdant soils of the Northern Vendee, this wine has me right milming me kecks, make no mistake.'

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PaddyH | 4 April 2010 - 12:32am

He is a poet, that Bobby Parker.

From his updated "Top Fucking Knacker Wines What I Think Are Dead Good And That 2009"

"Josph Guigal, the master of the steep slopes of the northern Rhône, had, we thought, surpassed himself with the divine 2007 Côtes Rôtie, particularly the Brune et Blanche, but it was like Bag Lady's Period when compared to the divine provenance of Chapoutier's 2008 Hermitage La Chappelle."

The attention Robert Parker receives gets on my tits. He's just a critic. Are his taste buds and receptors the same as yours? I don't much like Bordeaux wines, neither do I like the syrah-based stuff from the Northern Rhone. Purely a matter of taste. I don't care what Parker says. As with all these things, find a critic who shares your taste and let them wade through the shite. It's what they're paid to do.

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Lenny Law | 4 April 2010 - 1:24am

Brown bottle

But clearly the 2010 Buckfast, with its high notes of clerical impropriety followed by low notes of almost instant and uninvited penetration on the back taste, will see it be one of the biggest sellers in Western Scotland and Northern Ireland. Ballbag.

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PaddyH | 4 April 2010 - 1:38am

South African or South American Cabernet Sauvignon

is always a good bet

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David Sutherland | 4 April 2010 - 12:15am

Ernst & Julio Gallo...

...have used their skill and experience over many years of winemaking to produce and relaunch their premium Oiseau de Tonnere brand. This cordial will revive and refresh even the most tired of palates and is best enjoyed al fresco amongst friends served en papilotte. Simply exquisite. What are ye looking at?

With my experience of wine I would say that you've probably got a new world Merlot, extend your boundaries slowly, try a Cab Sauv/Merlot blend from the same country or region. Merlot has got fairly low acidity, for something a bit more full on try a Cab Sauv/Shiraz blend. A whole new world (and a rather expensive one) awaits!

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Richie B | 4 April 2010 - 12:28pm

It's a big (but rewarding) subject to explore

This is a good place to start. Very readable and a decent guide.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wines-World-Eyewitness-Companions-Dk/dp/14053153...

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Baskerville Old Face | 4 April 2010 - 1:03pm

yeah but

does it get ye pished?

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James Blast | 4 April 2010 - 2:38pm

Hmm...

If you can't read you can always chew the pages and wash it down with a pint o'heavy Jimmy!

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Baskerville Old Face | 5 April 2010 - 2:21pm

Gigondas

My favourite tipple is French Gigondas. Heavy, tasty, mmm, delicious.

Any French Domaine wine will be good quality. That's the best thing about the French system - it is a reliable standard. It makes me laugh in Waitrose when you see new world vino at 6+ quid and Cote de Rhone from the domaine 2 quid cheaper (yesterday in fact) when the C de R will be a much better wine. That's not to say the new world stuff isn't good, it you can find one which isn't full of sugary and/or 14% proof. But the French stuff, having tested it very thoroughly, is reliable.

Equally hilarious is restaurants charging 15 quid for "Vin de Pays" - can be quite drinkable but they probably paid 50p a litre for it from the manufacturer. Avoid on grounds of piss taking.

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Twangothan | 4 April 2010 - 4:04pm

A pedant writes..

All Gigondas is French. It's an AOC (Appellation D'Origine Controlee)from the Southern Rhone, made primarily from grenache but with a bit of cinsault and mouvedre in there as well. Much like Chateuneuf Du Pape. But cheaper. Gigondas is becoming very popular now. Lirac and Vacqueyras are cheaper alternatives. Cotes Du Rhone or the posher Cotes Du Rhone Villages can also be excellent if you kow what you're after.

New World attempts at this style are generally called GSM after the three grape varietals used.

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Lenny Law | 4 April 2010 - 9:11pm

Yes I know

It was a bit of bad grammar - I meant, "my favourite is French - Gigondas". But I am always up for a bit of pedantry so fair play. Oh, and I assume that's the Appellation d'origine contrôlée you're referring to? In the Southern Rhône? Tsk tsk.

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Twangothan | 5 April 2010 - 1:30pm

I put the accents in my penultimate post, sir..

Couldn't be arsed this time.

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Lenny Law | 5 April 2010 - 5:47pm
Pencilsqueezer | 4 April 2010 - 6:07pm

I recommend you watch....

.....the movie Sideways. Superb film and wine is the main ingredient. Merlot is strictly off limits though.

I'd suggest going to Sainsburys, looking for a nice Chianti from Italy or a Spanish Rioja (lighter red wine, not so heavy.) Don't go below £5. Best thing is to pick a bottle that is on offer, reduced from £9.99 down to around the 5 or 6 quid mark.

Also try one of the Wolf Blass reds, from Australia, bit more expensive but very nice wine. I'd recommend either the red or yellow labels. Both about £7-9 but often on offer in Sainsburys.

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Almost Simon | 4 April 2010 - 8:09pm

Put a real dent in Merlot sales I am told,

was having a look to see if I could find Miles' great Pinot Noir speech but isn't on YouTube.

Your 8ish to 5ish price strategy works for us as well, in Waitrose.

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SpaceBoy | 5 April 2010 - 8:18am

What a load of pish

If mephedrone was kept legal there'd be people on here talking about the best kind, how to detect it through smell and it's varying effects.

Its a drug, it mostly smells and tastes identical and its made to make you drunk. The soil of the Loire valley has no more effect on the product then the room the Crack was made in.

Drink red stuff. Fall over. Have hangover.

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goatboyuk69 | 5 April 2010 - 2:17am

Oddly enough, I have known...

...grass aficionados who hold such opinions. I wouldn't know.

There is a lot of pish and indeed tosh talked about wine, but having drunk my way round a couple of wine areas (Hunter, Clare, Barrossa, Marlborough), it does vary quite a bit even in adjacent vineyards, which might have more to do with the people making it than the soil. Some just taste better than others.

There's no sense drinking stuff you don't like, so it is worth finding something to suit you. It even changes quite a bit from year to year, e.g. I've been a drinker of one vineyard (Allandales in the Hunter) that happened to have a phenomenal year the first time I visited, and has just been merely very good ever since, which according to them is all weather related.

Having said that, Penfolds (mentioned below) is very consistent year to year, if you like that sort of thing.

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Harold Holt | 5 April 2010 - 4:30am

i fully agree that booze is a drug

and i do get sick of people saying drink and drugs when drugs serves fine.

And I know that wine appreciation can be as pretentious as watching a panel of critics discussing the arts.

But like the arts it is as silly to suggest that there is no flavour and difference in the taste of wine (or beer or spirits or anything) as it would be to say all music has the same sound and effect.

There are two ways you can look at booze, firstly how the drug effects you. Champagne gives a different high to beer or red wine or gin for example and the other is how it tastes. Both offer a range of experiences and both appeal differently to different people.

This is the same I am told (although I have no experience of these things myself and will not be saying anything different on a public messageboard) with drugs. If you have been to Amsterdam you may have legally been able to try and sample different types and tastes of weed and hash and you may have observed a similar range of tastes and effects.

Also different types of booze make you more or less likely to have the hangover you mention, so that's an area where discrimination can help.

And I'd also suggest that substances present in the room when the crack is being made do have an effect on the crystals that are made there. Different chemical compounds and additions will surely give crack different effects and even tastes.

That said whilst they are both drugs, crack and booze are not in the same league. One is a depressant and one is a stimulant. One is extremely addictive and has a very very fast acting and all consuming effect. The other works more slowly and so offers more opportunity to pay attention and to enjoy (or not) it's taste, colour, smell etc... and is much less addictive.

People have been known to drink a glass of wine just to enjoy its taste and stop there, not wanting to get drunk, or to flavour their food with wine. Same goes for most other booze.

The same can't really be said for crack or most other drugs really, apart from caffeine, sugar and in some respects nicotine (a cigar is definitely a different sensory experience to a red strike believe this ex smoker on that.)

Although some people I am told like the flavour and taste of weed, I haven't heard of any other illegal drugs being aesthetically as well as experientially enjoyed. But maybe that is to do with them all being illegal.

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goosefat101 | 5 April 2010 - 9:56am

Love the stuff myself.

As pointed out by the very great Willy Rushton in Superpig, there are only 2 types of wine, the ones you want to swallow and the ones you want to spit out. As mentioned above, I'd say keep it as premium as you can, try all the styles, and drink your way round the world. What fun. How about a wine tasting party and invite everyone to bring a different bottle, then start working your way round the table.

I prefer the heavier ones, like Shiraz/Syrrah, Cabernet Sauvignon and Merlot, and blends thereof, but to each his/her own. You might find you like stuff such as the Pinot Noirs and Grenache styles. Or even chilled sparkling Shiraz.

Of the Aussies, I'm less thrilled about Wolf Blass - Penfolds is the most consistent and brilliant big name Aussie I know of. Any one of the Bin nnn lines is usually worth a crack, and they go from reasonable to v.expensive.

So you've still got scope try the French (and all their regions), Spanish (some great Rioja), Italian (love Barolo too), Californian, Australian ('specially the South Australian stuff) and South America (I have tried much less of that). NZ do some great whites, and I think they're better at the lighter reds which are less to my taste.

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Harold Holt | 5 April 2010 - 4:05am

I know nothing about wine

and I can say that with some authority as I'm paid to write about it.

Even after four years of wine tastings, my poor spittoon technique marks me out as a rank amateur. While the experts emit a dense pellet of liquid which flies soundlessly down the hole in the centre of the funnel, the best I can do is a splattery 'ptchoo' with traces of breakfast and gum disease.

I think we pay for too much attention to experts when it comes to wine, and follow their advice rather than our own taste (Huh! Imagine if we did that with music.) I find Australian reds have a nasty vanilla gakkiness about them, but they're the UK's top sellers, and the No1 Rose, a Californian White Grenache, reminds me of that pink swill you get at the dentist. So what do I know?

My advice, for what it's worth:

£7 is the new £5. Duty rises and production costs have seen to that. If you find yourself tempted by a three-for-£10 offer, buy beer instead.

Avoid big brands. They won't let you down but they won't surprise you either. And someone has to pay for all those TV ads.

Good cuisine, good wine. Just a personal theory, this. The French and Italians know how to cook so I reckon they understand the pallette. South Americans can grow a cow so I'll trust them with a grape. Australia and South Africa are hardly internationally renowned. USA, everything's got cheese in it.

Match food and wine. Think about what goes with the meal - it does make a difference. How often do we order the wine before looking at the menu? At home, don't just open what your guests bring. And don't eat dry roasted bleeding peanuts with any bottle worth over £3.

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Captain Underpants | 5 April 2010 - 5:30pm

"Good cuisine, good wine. Just a personal theory, this"

Sounds like a good one to me, Captain. I've had a low opinion of US food and wine for a long time now. Ditto Aussie plonk. Kiwis, however, seem to produce fantastic wine and there also seems to be a fair few above-average pan-rattlers around from the Land of The Long White Cloud.

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Lenny Law | 5 April 2010 - 5:52pm

My mate is a chef...

...and emigrated to Auckland in '96. He ain't in a hurry to come back. The reason? Ingredients, apparently.

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Richie B | 5 April 2010 - 7:18pm

Red wine with a curry.....

.....is also essential for me. Nice to have a cold pint with your poppadums but when the main meal arrives you cant be red wine. Again I usually go for Chianti.

I can go with the avoiding big brands comments. I do know which ones I will go for but waiting for the expensive wines to go on offer in the supermarket is a good way to go, and thats usually with brands i'm not aware of. Maybe its the wrong way to go but if a £10-12 wine is reduced down to £5-7, I think it's going to be a nice wine and worth the risk. Rarely failed when following that policy.

£7 is the max i'd want to spend. Never gone for the 3 for £10 deal. Might be tempted with white wine where i'm not quite so fussy. But with Red thats a no-no. Cheap red wine tastes awful.

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Almost Simon | 7 April 2010 - 6:52am
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