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Radio 2 stand-ins - why are they so poor?

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It's holiday season so a good many radio presenters take an annual break and leave someone else to hold the fort.

I tend to listen to Radio 2 more than most stations and have noticed that they have an annoying tendency to replace their regulars with 'names' in an effort to stop listening figures dropping, rather than employing someone who knows what they're doing.

Case in point: Jonathan Ross is away and who do they shove in his place? Lisa Tarbuck and Huey Morgan! Who came up with that combination down the pub on a Friday night? I know Ms Tarbuck has some admirers, but I for one am not one of them. She always sounds so patronising.

Another example is Steve Wright's Sunday morning lovesongs (yes, I know I listen to some tripe on the wireless) being caretaken by none other than Cilla Black - possibly the worst radio broadcaster I've heard in a long time.

My final exhibit is the replacement team for Alan Carr and Emma Forbes: last week it was Gaby Roslin and Patrick Kielty - ugh!

Personal prejudice aside, I find it hard to justify bringing in a 'name' if they aren't actually up to the job.

I know this has been talked about before, but how do radio hopefuls expect to get any sort of inspiration if the main criterion for work on one of the country's premier radio stations is 'celebrity status', rather than ability?

Sorry for the tirade, but it gets my goat a little. Surely I'm not the only one, am I?

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No

mind you, and it's not because of the Manuel jump lead, but I would rather be summoned to prayer by Charles Manson than listen to the impedimented one. Pillock.

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RobertC | 21 August 2009 - 5:16pm

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No, you are not alone Robram. Richard Hammond and Divina Mc Coll are another pair who spring to mind. Whats wrong with giving a few night-shifters a go or better still, someone who we have never heard of.

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paintyface | 21 August 2009 - 5:16pm

Excactly

maybe the pro-Dawkins lot are right after all. I mean, what sort of benign power would defecate Davina McCall upon its own cosmic doorstep.

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RobertC | 21 August 2009 - 5:19pm

I agree, I will happily do it

Was popular in my day as a presenter at my University station so give me a call!

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Uncle Wheaty | 21 August 2009 - 5:35pm

Christ, I had no idea

that must have been truly awful. A bit like being cheered up during the Tet Offensive by REO Speedwagon.

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RobertC | 21 August 2009 - 5:48pm

It was all Supertramp, ELO and Eagles

with U2 and The Waterboys for light relief.

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Uncle Wheaty | 21 August 2009 - 10:23pm

Except

that Hammond actually started off in local radio, so that's his original medium. Actually, the episode of Top Gear where the three of them were doing the drive time radio show was hilarious. The look of Hammond, who knew what was supposed to be hapenning and role he was supposed to have in it, being scuppered by Clarkson and May was priceless.

With you all the way on Davina McCall, though. Iresent her wasting my Oxygen

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illuminatus | 23 August 2009 - 1:04pm

Alan Carr

I assumed he WAS a replacement. I can't believe his replacement could be any worse.

I find Jonathan Ross and his sycophantic acolyte quite unlistenable, so was thrilled when he was replaced by Danny Baket & Zoe Ball in spring.

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Neil Jung | 21 August 2009 - 5:19pm

Danny Baker and Zoe Ball

were just fabulous on R2 when Ross was on his enforced lay off. Funny thing is, back in his R1 days I was never that keen. It's only as I've gotten a little older that I've realised just how great he is. And putting Zoe with him worked. I'm less of a fan of her on her own but she's not that bad.

Actually, I kind of enjoy when Radcliffe does a stint with Liza Tarbuck. They work well together.

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illuminatus | 23 August 2009 - 12:49pm

Mind You

I find Jo Brand repellant. It is not a pond/gender/reverse sexism thing but rather that I saw her judging a Countryfile calendar competition once, and her opinions and carry-on were so obviously disinterested and puerile in their general i'm here for me stuff and not the contestants that I thought fuck off and stop hoping into my watering can.

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RobertC | 21 August 2009 - 5:38pm

The problem is this is far as I can make out...

Somewhere along the way the powers that be at the BBC seemed to lose sight of the fact that radio broadcasting requires a different set of skills from television broadcasting. Someone who feels right at home in front of a TV camera might not be so comfortable in front of a microphone in a radio studio, and vice versa. A good example of this is one Terry Wogan, who is a brilliant radio presenter but less than brilliant on the box.

Also there is the recurring problem of 'celebrities' (how I hate that word) being awarded radio programmes on the flawed basis that their very recognizability in some way indicates a measure of talent.

Whatever you happen to think of them, Bob Harris, Johnnie Walker, Ken Bruce and Steve Wright know the business of radio broadcasting. Many of the twerps being given shows nowadays do not.

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Patrick Crowther | 21 August 2009 - 5:43pm

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it's even worse on bbc 5live whenever simon mayo is away they always get some numptee to deputise(not mark radcliffe)such as

colin murray-annoying child like who can only reference football no matter who he is interviewing

phil williams-big daft brummie

richard bacon-is he doing an alan partridge impression on purpose

it looks like when (stupidly)5live moves to salford and simon mayo goes to radio 2 we're going to get one of these stooges and they'll probably find some other wally as well

as for 6music, it's great when they get someone else in as i will listen to anyone except keavney/lamb/nemone/lamaqc

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junkiecosmonaut | 21 August 2009 - 5:46pm

Mayo - a voice for TV

I can't wait for Mayo to come to Radio 2 full time. I've heard him stand in for Chris Evans recently and he's excellent. Let's hope he brings Kermode with him, too.

It's quite strange to think back to the 90s when Mayo tried to launch a TV career with that ill-advised radio crossover - Confessions. My what a dull show it made!

However, Mr Mayo is radio gold, as far as I'm concerned. Maybe the radio 2 bosses should take note of how his career has progressed, and think about employing some other similar professionals, rather than the personalities they favour.

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robram | 21 August 2009 - 6:19pm

Mayo leaving 5 Live ?

Say it isn't so.

His program has consistently been the best thing on radio for some time.

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dai | 22 August 2009 - 1:57am

apparently he doesn't want to move to

Manchester with the rest of the station.

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Chris G | 22 August 2009 - 7:59am

Good point

6 Music only becomes listenable during the day when the stand-ins arrive.

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JoLean | 21 August 2009 - 6:23pm

I like Huey's show on sunday afternoons on radio 6

he seems to like music and has nice groovester fm radio shtick going. I also like Lisa Tarbuck when I've heard her. When it comes to radio the best presenter are the ones curiously who want to be on the radio and not the telly. So Mr Baker, Robert Elms, mark Radcliffe etc .

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Chris G | 21 August 2009 - 6:49pm

Maybe this all comes down to "celebrity" culture..

.. and we are all assumed to be in awe of the celeb "calibre" of the stand ins. There was a time when a presenter (or DJ as I seem to remember them being called) was known for their musical taste (or am I living in a rose tinted fantasy world - probably) rather than being someone who filled in the increasingly long gaps between the inflexible playlist fodder. The career path used to be fairly lengthy and convoluted, a period spent on hospital / local / commercial / pirate radio etc. then promotion to national - a kind of winning your spurs. Now it's a straight transfer across from celebland if your face fits (ironic maybe for the wireless).
Bah, humbug.

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soapdodger | 21 August 2009 - 7:40pm

While the fat cat is away.....

....good old Johnnie Walker is back standing in for Wogan for a week or two........at least we'll not suffer endless talk about 'I'm just tucking into a nice chicken curry' and,'don't forget it will be Children in Need soon - it is such a good cause please send in your money (but don't dare ask me why I accept payment for doing it!')

With JW you get some reasonable songs too for a change.

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daff | 21 August 2009 - 8:09pm

To be fair

Wogan doesn't receive payment for CIN, hasn't for the past three years. Agree with you about the incessant tubthumping about it, though.

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Black Type | 22 August 2009 - 8:21am

I agree

When the regulars go on holiday it's usually time for the CDs in the car.
Now I'm no fan of Steve Wright but he's Wolfman Jack compared to Our Dale! Everything in Wintonworld is fabulous and lovely from the records to the e-mails. And why was I not surprised Barbara "Babs" Windsor appeared as a guest!!
The two exceptions are when Zoe Ball covers for Ken Bruce, (be still my beating heart) and Matthew Bannister fills in for Mr Sincerity, Jeromy Vine.
Mind having suffered 2 hours of slippery slime from Heart FM at a customer's office they all are Peel/Everett/Freeman all rolled into one.

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Gordon Kerr | 21 August 2009 - 11:20pm

Lamarr

The only music DJ for me is Mark Lamarr, but what's happened to his 'Shake, Rattle & Roll' and 'Alternate 60's' shows?
Otherwise, music radio in 2009 is as entertaining, shocking and innovative as the old Light Programme was in pre-rock 'n' roll days.
The industry should hang its collective head in shame; 2009 is the new 1953.
It can't be that hard can it?
DJ: 'I know....instead of playing Phil Collins.....I'll play Captain Beefheart; instead of playing 'My Girl', I'll play a Motown 45 that hasn't been played three million times since Tuesday.'
But then that presupposes that the average DJ (George Lamb, for example) is interested in music.

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ranger | 22 August 2009 - 8:38am

shake rattle and roll

According to here, its coming back soon for 8 programmes in 2009 and 26 progs in 2010.
http://www.myspace.com/saveshakerattlenroll
"a very good sign for all non mainstream music broadcasting" says Lamarr in an email that the site say they've received from him.

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ChaileyJem | 22 August 2009 - 1:45pm

Conversely....

Whoever is the chosen stand in for Ken Bruce improves those 3 hours by a million percent! The original Partridge template?

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Six Dog | 22 August 2009 - 4:54pm

A fine point

Although Zoe Ball did the business recently and she's now a fine DJ.

Her Sat morning show is supreme - so much better than the dreary Mo Dutta who used to do it

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robram | 22 August 2009 - 6:16pm

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I have to disagree with you there John. I find him witty but each to his own as they say. . Now Jeremy Vine is a differnt matter. What is the logic of putting on a current affairs programme on a music station in the middle of the day. Does anyone know if the rating drop off much during his show?

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paintyface | 22 August 2009 - 10:46pm

I certainly switch off

it's like the Daily Mail has sneaked out onto the air waves. I'd have much more fun if his brother was presenting instead.

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illuminatus | 23 August 2009 - 1:08pm

Mayo stand-ins

Agree with those praising Mayo - his interviews in particular are great. He does his homework, is not afraid to ask awkward questions and doesn't showboat. Pretty unflappable and quite a dry wit too.

Can't agree re his stand-ins, though. Much as I like Mark Radcliffe, I thought he sounded awkward when he deputised for Mayo. Too many ums and ers and mumbles.

Colin Murray has always done a good job in that spot, I think, as has Phil Williams, who might be big and a Brummie, but certainly isn't daft. Less impressed by Richard Bacon, who often sounds like he's trying too hard and whose ironic tone can make him sound insincere and a bit smug.

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Hosskins | 22 August 2009 - 10:53pm

Bacon is

just pure Partridge.

The night of Jacko's death was the high water mark of his insanity with the statement 'a world without Michael Jackson is unimaginable'.

I swaer he was going to pledge to kill himself and his children as he didn't want to live in world without Jacko.

'Most important death ever? is it bigger than John Lennon's death? What about Elvis? - text us!'

And when John Robb mentioned that Steven Wells had died that day Bacon responded with a sarcastic and surly 'Who?' as if it was insignificant trivia.

Insincere and smug is right but I don't think it is a by product of irony

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DogFacedBoy | 23 August 2009 - 11:34am

Just heard on ad on radio 2

when Janis Long one of the stations only 2 permanent female dj's is on holiday and in her late night slot the perfect stage for some new talent (possibly even a woman) the BBC are sp*nking away my licence fee on Steve "cocking" Jones from Channel 4's popular post hangover pot noodle drivel T4. Well done chaps large ones all round.

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Chris G | 24 August 2009 - 8:06pm

He is on my radio right now

but will not be for much longer. The man is a smug, self-loving cock.

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illuminatus | 24 August 2009 - 11:13pm
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