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Raconteurs? Are there any left?

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Came across this series of you tube videos recently. It's 'An Audience With Kenneth Williams' and its a delight.


Richly told anecdotes, long and short, on his life and career. Not long in to it all I quickly realised I was watching an art rapidly being lost; the art of being able to sit in front of a large audience and gently tell a rivetting story, be it comedic, dramatic or tragic.

When I was younger it seemed there was a goodly supply of these characters. All in dark suits, grey hair side-parted, normally a guest on Parkinson and the like, simply telling a good story. No gimmick, no edge, no schtick or attitude. Normally it was the much missed Kenneth or Peter Ustinov.

Who does this now? Anyone?

It seems that, obviously, long experience in a performing life is necessary before anyone could be classed as a raconteur but I can't think of any amongst the contemporary older generation who does this sort of thing. That I've seen anyway.

Who may grow into a good raconteur for the future? Billy Connolly? Eddie Izzard? Ross Noble? You could very convincingly argue that that is what they are now. Yes, they are all marvellous tale-tellers showing intense rapport with their audiences, but at this point it's their act. It's not reflection on past experience. They're all up there going for the throat, for the big woof. Not yet hanging back to simply tell us what really happened in their lives.

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Who does this now? Anyone?

Andy..

Might I point you in the direction of the last Word podcast, hailed by one and all as one of the finest ever, and dangle the figure of one Daniel Baker before you?

Too many of the raconteurs of the past - prime candidates being Peter Ustinov and David Niven - did tell a good story but it was the same good story recounted verbatim time and again. I'd prefer the likes of Billy Connolly who, we seem to forget, is now knocking on a bit in years. In attitude, however, he's still a very young man. Eddie Izzard and Ross Noble are, primarily, surrealists.

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Lenny Law | 11 November 2009 - 11:44pm

From many hours of listening

From many hours of listening to his radio show I seem to recall that Mr Baker was actually christened 'Danny' rather thna 'Daniel'. Hmm

This may be
a) misremembered
b) what he said but not true

But one thing is indisputable

c) I need to get out more

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spt | 12 November 2009 - 2:03pm

Baker, D.

According to the man himself, he was indeed named Danny, after Danny La Rue. He's said that he used to take great pleasure in correcting pompous teachers who would refer to him as Daniel.

Right, I'm off out for the evening.

Oh.
No I'm not.

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Nick White | 12 November 2009 - 5:15pm

Its not that these people don't exist

It's just that there's no outlet for this kind of thing anymore.

Jonathan Ross said something quite sad on his twitter. He said he wasn't interested in having conversations on his chat show because the show was about entertainment.

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Danny | 12 November 2009 - 12:15am

It's still an act!

Don't think Ken was actually talking about his real life though was he?

It may not be the staple of chat shows now, but there are plenty of people who can tell a good old yarn on Podcasts or the radio. Podcasts in particular are great for this as they don't have the issue of time or a producer looking at his or her watch...much like the 70s Parky when you could smoke a fag in the studio etc. Why our very own Word podcast for example, (when they can be bothered to record one..grrr) is full of 'em. Richard Herring and Andrew Collins are another good example, Danny Baker, Adam & Joe, its all out there...its just not where you left it.

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Dr Volume | 12 November 2009 - 3:42am

I miss...

Oliver Reed.Anyone who can make that slimeball letterman uncomfortable is alright by me.

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bricameron | 12 November 2009 - 7:35am

Michael Gambon could be very good if given more time...

here he is on Top Gear being ridiculously entertaining.


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Patrick Crowther | 12 November 2009 - 7:39am

The Clarkson Show

I've noticed there have been a number of entertaining interviews for 'star in reasonably priced car'. AC/DC's Brian Johnson for one was excellent. Maybe Jezza should get his own talk show - he seems able to elicit some cracking yarns from his guests. Cue the rabid anti-Clarkson league...


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Sven Garlic | 12 November 2009 - 12:37pm

That Brian Johnson interview is a classic...

and confirms him to be the nicest man in rock n' roll.

When Jeremy Clarkson is talking to someone genuinely entertaining and likeable he always manages to bring the best out of them... he interacts in a very natural way. I think he's a very good interviewer.

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Patrick Crowther | 12 November 2009 - 1:56pm

that's because...

despite the normal 'character' he plays on Top Gear, once he has the SIARPC sitting down in front of them, he accepts that THEY'RE the star and THEY should do the talking. He prods them with a stick every now and then, but I agree totally with what you say; the 'interview' isn't about Jezza and that's something that a lot of other talk show hosts have forgotten.

Oh - and he's always well prepped. You get the feeling that he got the background research on the guest from the production team a few days beforehand and actually took the time to read it, rather than winging it.

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ivan | 12 November 2009 - 2:19pm

Clarkson

That was the name of Clarkson's chatshow from the late '90s. I seem to remember him putting things in blenders and microwaves a lot...

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Gav Leonard | 12 November 2009 - 2:53pm

never saw that, Gav...

but i've got a great idea for a segment in any new show he does...

Star in a Reasonably Priced Microwave....

"yes Simon, it's all very well on X Factor, but it seems after 3 minutes at 80% in our D rated microwave...."

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ivan | 12 November 2009 - 2:59pm

Jackpot!

I searched You Tube to see if I could come up with any documentary evidence. Sadly not, although this did turn up (the title's self explanatory but, for the easily offended, yadda yadda...)


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Gav Leonard | 12 November 2009 - 3:07pm

Pluggers and agents

I read much of Kenny Williams' diary, a good dip-in-and-out book, and when he had concluded the Carry On's he was thrashing around looking for work, and chat show staple is what he became.

The problem nowadays is that the only guests we see are people who have something to promote. That may have always been the case, though my recollections of Parkinson in his pomp was having a mix of guests regardless of their present concerns.

I like the style of the Piers Morgan chat show which goes in depth with people who aren't banging on solely about their current project. Shame there isn't more of that type of thing. Without a studio set and audience, it can't be that expensive to produce.

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kb | 12 November 2009 - 9:43am

Not exactly a Raconteur

But Joe Brown tells a good story and is always good value in interviews. Get him on The podcast

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Sour Crout | 12 November 2009 - 10:15am

I have to apologise. When I read the thread title...

I thought that Jack White and Brendan Benson had disappeared or something. Really. I'll get me coat.

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Iainso | 12 November 2009 - 10:23am

Peter Ustinov was always considered

one of the great raconteurs.

But it can be a euphemism for a bore.

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Five-Centres | 12 November 2009 - 12:14pm

Stephen Fry has potential.....

But needs to self edit on occasion...

Can see Chris Evans growing into a decent one should want to move in that direction too

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Six Dog | 12 November 2009 - 10:31am

Gervase Phinn

OK so a lot of what he does basically a "children say the funniest things" schtick, no tales of the wild and famous. Apparently he's on the comfy slippers end of Radio 4 a lot.

Didn't expect to enjoy him, but I've seen him do a couple of events, one huge one small, and he was fantastic at both, really funny and heartfelt.

Presumably Alan Bennett too.

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spt | 12 November 2009 - 12:00pm

Gyles Brandreth

Gyles Brandreth (six years younger than Billy Connolly) is one of the great raconteurs of today. This is mainly because, like most raconteurs, he's a shameless ligger, is fascinated by people, varied in his interests and isn't afraid of name dropping. Like Stephen Fry, he seems to have mixed with the greats of the older generation before they passed on.
Superficially, people find him irritating but if you can get past that stage (perhaps by reading his brilliant diaries, in which he's startlingly humble) he's one of the most engaging and entertaining talkers around.

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Nick White | 12 November 2009 - 12:47pm

Nick Lowe

It's always good to include a vote for Nick Lowe in a thread and I think he fits in perfectly here. In fact, he hasn't really changed a lot in the last 30 years in this respect which suggests that it may be something you're born with.

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JohnW | 12 November 2009 - 1:03pm

that's true about KW

His "Chat Show Staple" was indeed an act, although he became very good at it, and could be relied on by producers to brighten things up. KW always wanted to be a Serious Actor but never managed it, and ended up doing pretty much whatever work he could get. His diaries are full of bitterness about same, whilst he also knew very well on which side the proverbial bread was buttered. According to the diaries, he resented doing most of the Carry On films because he saw them as cheap trash, but did them because they were easy work and ready money and involved a lot of showing off; he was resentful about doing most of the chat shows but knew it was something he found easy, and again, he could just show off to audience applause.

If there's an entry in the diary about this Parkinson show, it likely says something like "Went on Parkinson TV show. It was dreary. Trotted out the same old guff. Had them in stitches though. They loved me. Then picked up cheque; went home; had a Barclays".

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PhilC | 12 November 2009 - 2:04pm

Noel Gallagher

He spins a good yarn - now he's got a bit more free time, I can see him reinventing himself as the new Peter Ustinov

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David Rothon | 12 November 2009 - 3:19pm

I believe that is his true forte in life...

as opposed to making music which isn't.

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Patrick Crowther | 12 November 2009 - 3:58pm

Him and Russell Brand were pretty good on the radio.

Perhaps he could be added to Radcliffe and Maconie's list of regular contributors?

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ganglesprocket | 12 November 2009 - 3:26pm
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