Queen Has Reformed
No...they haven't starched Freddie and sat him on a park-bench at the front of the stage, they have merely roped in Paul Rodgers of 'Bad Company'' fame. If ever I saw a band whose original frontman was the life force, essence, backbone and overall spirit of the band, it was Queen. Which begs the question, are they fucking nuts?
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Are they nuts?
I think the market will decide.
I'm all for musicians
I'm all for musicians selling out for an easy buck, but the good people of Word magazine masquerade as peeps who care about the sanctity of music. Now you're saying that the deciding factor is whether some hoods decide to pawn in Mr. Mercury's legacy just to get a bit of the newly heated pie.
Why is this buck...
...any easier than the other ones?
It's a turn of phrase
and you know it.
Strictly speaking...
This isn't really news, is it? Paul Rodgers joined up with Queen in 2004. They've done a couple of tours, a live album, a DVD and a couple of singles since then. They're also billed as 'Queen + Paul Rodgers', rather than just 'Queen'.
If they wanted to be REALLY precise / honest...
...they'd bill themselves as 'Queen + Paul Rodgers - Freddie Mercury'.
That's funny...
that is. I think Freddie would have approved.
The news
is that they are bringing out an album of new material. I can't realy see why they shouldn't if they want to.
ever heard of...
...mocking the dead?
(which, strictly speaking, is what I done in my introductory sentence...but I'm just some benny writing on a forum. I'm not giving dead Fred the two fingered salute on a million pound platform)
It's what
Freddie would have wanted, I'm sure.
Good sport
I went to see this three legged dog when they played in Dublin and I had a great night. All the sing along, punch the air moments you could want. My only problem was my arm was in a sling at the time so I spent half the night looking for someone in a similar state so we could club together for Radio Ga-Ga but it wasn't to be.
I used to like Paul Rodgers.....
Never liked Freddy Mercury or those squally guitar solos, so my tip would be junk the curly one as well, and there's a chance of a decent outcome. O, and don't let the drummer sing, either.
Don't call yourself Queen
Don't call yourself Queen than.
If punters
want to delude themselves that seeing the three minor-league jobbing musicians who were La Fred's backing band, constitutes "seeing Queen" in some way, and derive some happiness from this delusion, then why not? There are far more dangerous delusions in this world.
Why stop there?
Mr Rodgers could dump the rhythym section, and get a couple of his old buddies from Bad Company along to back him up. Maybe change the name from Queen to say....hmmmmm.....Bad Company II ?
The "Doors"
toured recently. So did "Thin Lizzy".
It used to amuse how the likes of The Temptations and The Four Tops would tour with virtually no original members. Well, pretty soon it will be the bands I loved.
And let us not forget
The Sensational Alex Harvey Band have also been touring for a few years now.
"The Drifters"
The American "Drifters" have been touring for years without any original members. In fact, the nearest claim to authenticity they have is that one of the current line-up actually met one of the non-dead members.
...
...or went to his funeral.
What right do we have to decide what's acceptable?
If we don't want to buy a ticket we don't have to. That's why I say that the market will decide. If these three guys can still sell tickets, that means there's a demand. If they can't they'll give up. Probably.
Think of the life of a band. It begins in obscurity. If they're lucky it enjoys a brief period of success and then for one reason or another slides slowly in obscurity. If in the course of that one of them dies or leaves I don't think that brief period of success means that the rest of them have to give up. And they particularly shouldn't do it just because some person who once bought a few of their records finds the idea embarrassing. If you don't like it, look the other way. Don't stop them working. It's their life, not yours.
What if the members of Fleetwood Mac had taken the same decision after Peter Green and Jeremy Spencer had gone out of the tent? And it's no use saying that they were justified because they subsbeuently sold millions of records. It's a job. It's more difficult than the jobs that most of us do, involves more humiliation and uncertainty, offers no pension plan and pays far less money than most of us think.
Leave 'em alone. I won't be going but lots of people will.
let it be.
I don't even like Queen; it was just my opinion that Freddie Mercury encapsulated the band. He led them on the great highway...if the remaining members want to continue playing, so be it. But don't tout it as a reunion when the only member of cardinal significance passes over to the Great Greyhound in the Sky. It's called resting on your laurels.
Also, I think your being a little hysterical in response to my 'unjust'' treatment of these 'poor, little rock bands''. I know someone who's in a real desolate state...I'm talking ulcerated legs and 5 cats to feed on a pittance. Leave it out, Hepworth. I have as much right to pass comment on these matters, as you have to fill an entire column of your assessments on a monthly basis.
Calm down, Liam
You raised an interesting issue. But not one that hasn't been discussed before on here. Some people disagreed with the point you were making. That's how it works. You want to try try sticking up for The Television Personalities and the Daily Mail, then you'll know what it's like to get hostile responses. This is a really good discussion forum; a good discourse on the passing show amongst people who are generally on the same wavelength. Let's keep it both friendly and in perspective.
On the Queen issue, I neither nor nor care much about them, but I agree with your point that, even though the songwriting was quite evenly shared, Freddie Mercury was pretty central to Queen and that it"s not like replacing Bonehead in Oasis with an equally anonymous guitarist. I'd be interested to know what the general consensus is amongst Queen diehards? And is it true that if the figures hadn't been fiddled by the staff Queen would have won every category of the (at the time) all-important NME readers poll from the mid '70s onwards?
Handbags at dawn
It's quite hard to convey a certain tone on here, but the line about 'ulcerous legs and a million cats'' was tongue in cheek. I didn't intend to direct any hostility towards Mr.Hepworth; it's just my petty teenage angst.
Apologies all round.
Tsk...all this over a band consisting of a Keith Moon/Derek Acorah hybird(drummer), a sequinned homosexual stereotype (lead) , a dishcloth (bassist) and a poodle (guitarist).
Fairy Liquid
The dishcloth had nothing to do with the previous Queen + Paul Rogers tour, has he changed his mind for this one or is he busy pottering about his mansion scrubbing his millions?
I think it's fair to say
I think it's fair to say that neither did the dead former frontman. Unless they converted him into a lighting utensil. Or a novelty kite.
Talking of Fleetwood Mac
Sheryl Crow seems set to front Fleetwood Mac on tour. Now that's yer actual news, as opposed to a collaboration that has already straddled the worlds enormodomes...
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/17/people.crow.ap/index.htm...
Hmm...
There's an old youtube clip of an imperious stevie nicks blowing ms crow off the stage back in '99, singing gold dust woman ... hard act to follow ...
And check the boots...
Woooaahh there, tiger
This used to be a friendly place where men come together and talk bollocks.
And leave Queen alone. They mean you no harm. If you don't like them, don't concern yourself. Instead, spend the money you've saved by not buying the album on cat food and leg dressings for your friend and put on some music you DO like.
And now it's all calmed down again.
Excellent.
If someone in my office dies over Easter
do I have to stop working as well? Or is it just members of successful bands that have to do that? Seems like BS to me. Good luck to them.
As a big fan...
...I'll add something to this thread. Had no problem with this as a touring entity- I saw the DVD and it was enjoyable, if slightly 'piecemeal' as Paul Rodgers was coming on and off the stage at various intervals. However, new material is something else for me- I think Queen's sound was SO tied to Freddie's vocals I wonder how they could ever overcome it. Bands I love from that period like Genesis and Yes replaced their vocalist (but when Trevor Horn replaced Jon Anderson, he sang just like Jon Anderson anyway!) but their sound was more tied to the music than the vocals, in my opinion. It's just that bit different for Queen...
However, I'll still definitely buy the album and am willing to be proved wrong. That new single 'Say It's Not True' didn't do it for me but I already knew that as that track had been around a while in some form as they played it in concerts.
As for the music press' relationship with them, I've always been baffled by it. Queen's only 'crime' was being immensely popular and yet they got a huge lot of scorn thrown at them- that NME headline shouting 'Is this man a prat?' with Freddie on the front and a review of 'Jazz' I saw once that claimed they were fascists. That is in no way constructive criticism (and I'm certainly not blinkered when it comes to this band- I think a lot of their albums are quite patchy, myself), it's just vicious.
It's all...
Changing tides for the NME. Now he's heralded as a 'camp-tastic God amongst men''. I hate the NME.
Was that man a prat?
As I recall when the NME gave him that label, Mercury was being extremely pompous explaining how his balletic moves on stage were bringing culture to the masses. If that's not worthy of scorn, tell me what is.
If I want ballet, I'll go to Sadler's Wells.
Magniloquent Magnificence
But if I want someone to come out with such flagrantly egotistic claims, than I'll go to Mercury.
This sort of flaunting was strangely endearing on him. At the other end of the scale, the flatulence of Elton John. Old guff-breath's snide remarks and bitchy put-downs just don't cut it.
Just goes to show that it takes a certain personality.
Balls to this...
...I'm off to see King + Peter Frampton.
Yes...!!
"That's what my heart yearns for now
Love and pride
Wha-wa-wah wha-wa-wah wha-wa-wah"
I hope the market will decide...
...that Queen were Freddie Mercury plus three other blokes, and that this will finally convince the three other blokes to jack it in. But I suspect not. I know Queen are a bit off our collective radar but can anyone tell me why their stuff has such longevity? They were voted the best band ever by Radio 2 listeners last year but I can't see it for the life of me.
Pomp and Circumference
They had stardust, spangle, energy, vitality, handle-bar moustaches, perms and songs you just can't get out your fucking cranium.
I've got nothing against them
but they are heavy rock lite really (lite as in easy I mean) for everyone who wants the cliched rawk without it being too intense or difficult. Headbanging for the people, from six to sixty as it were. To be fair as a singles band they knew how to produce hit after hit, in a variety of styles. They did what they did very well. Who doesn't find themselves singing one of their songs now and again and quite enjoys it? But I never felt the need to buy one of their CDs. You can hear more than enough of their stuff without really trying.
Reappraisal overdue
To call Queen a good singles band is surely damning them with faint praise. To call them rock-lite, or soft metal or whatever, is objectively absurd. Sven above rightly notes that their singles covered many genres (hard rock, baroque opera stylings, rockabilly, disco, pure pop, electro, etc etc); but their best albums did too. A Night At The Opera is probably the best example, containing some terrific songs that weren't hits such as '39 and Prophet's Song (both written by May) and others like You're My Best Friend, written by Deacon, that illustrate how well-off they were for songwriters.
Queen with Paul Rodgers singing is certainly a rum sounding combination, but I like the fact that they haven't gone for an anonymous soundalike. Setting aside the fact that Freddie and Paul are at opposite ends of the Camp Continuum, let's remember that Freddie was a pretty good singer with immense charisma. Paul Rodgers has those credentials at least, surely?
Not faint praise
to call a group a good singles band in my view. That is meant to be a compliment.
As far as the rock lite thing goes, I just mean that the likes of Bohemian Rhapsody and We Will Rock You have an appeal to all sorts of people who wouldn't want to play Led Zeppelin say. That's also not meant to be a negative point really!
And I would add that their biggest hits have a football chant singalong aspect that explains part of their popularity. Oasis also have this quality I would say.
What puts me off is the rather synthetic, slick production style and guitar sound - I feel it's all a bit over processed. And it's all rather shallow, in my opinion.
Theatre of Scams
I went to a football match the other week but as soon as the players ran out onto the pitch I realised that something was awry. Instead of Noel Cantwell, Tony Dunne and Bill Foulkes at the back, Paddy, Nobby and Bobby in midfield and Denis the King up front, the team was made up of a whole bunch of imposters.
There was even some Johnny Foreigner running up and down the wing (and falling over rather a lot, no doubt for the want of some decent dubbin on his boots) who had the temerity to be wearing Besty's No. 7 shirt. Unbebleedinlievable! And the farce didn't even end there. Some lamer on the touchline was pretending to be Sir Matt while he was - wait for this - chewing gum!
"Manchester United"? Yeah, right.
Another reason people don't like Queen
There remains a lingering animosity towards the group over their concerts in Sun City during apartheid. At the time this seemed like pure greed for many of us and they've never really been forgiven for it by some.
Throw in the Nuremberg rally feel to some of their hits, and it adds up to a unsettling package.
The surviving members
deserve a damn good thrashing for We Are The Champions which now gets played at almost every venue after a final yet it is nothing but dirge.
Front men
Has any band successfully overcome the death or loss of their front man and gone on new heights? I'm not a huge Queen fan(I saw them once, at Knebworth) and own a copy of Sheer Heart Attack, but I can see that Freddie had a great sense of humour (even about ballet!) and that no front man could replace that huge personality. They could do the decent thing, like New Order did, and call themselves something different and move on.
P.S. The Stranglers without Hugh Cornwell is like fish without chips... I chose not to keep buying the records but if others want to that's their choice.
Depends what you mean by new heights...
...AC/DC and Genesis sold more records after the departure of their original front men.
Duran Duran
Seemed to do alright, after the departure of their original singer, a Mr Stephen "Tintin" Duffy. And I think Marillion did their best work after Fish departed
The Sabs and Purps didn't do too badly either
.
Black Sabbath
Sabbath did bloody great with the magical Ronnie James Dio, who was a far better frontman than Ozzy
*ducks for cover*
But as for the abominations that were the Ian Gillan years, the Dave Donato year, the Glenn Hughes year, the Ray Gillen years, the Tony "The Cat" Martin years etc, Sabbath were a joke. Even some of the Ozzfest stuff they did in recent years with the original line-up was poor. Without booze to fuel him Bill Ward's drumming was sluggish and since he did that TV show Ozzy is a joke, a twittering caricature of himself. Thank Satan Dio came back last year, albeit as the rebranded 'Heaven and Hell', or 'Black Sabbath - The Dio Years' depending on who promoted the shows. Apparently they're recording again with the Dio/Iommi/Butler axis actually writing together as well as playing together.
Can't comment on Purple really. Lost interest in them years and years ago.
I only mentoned them. . .
Because nobody at the time accused them of indulging in cynical exploitation of their brand after Ozzy and Gillan left. I don't really see what makes a Freddie-free Queen any different.
No Ozzy, No Sabbath!
The Reunion live Album is one of the best live Albums ever released, it is an awesome collection of Black Sabbath classics performed by the original line up. The Dio years are a pale imitation of the original 70's Sabbath. Ozzy sounds like he is singing from six foot under the grave in the 70's, i don't like any of the solo stuff at all and Ozzy is a lost soul without the other three,
The riffs of Tony Iommi are what 70's heavy rock is all about.
Deep Purple are a band whose reputation is built around two classic albums, In Rock and Machine Head and one great live album, everything else is average.
That ballet quote...
I thought it was when Sid Vicious met Freddie Mercury at a recording studio and Sid said 'are you still bringing ballet to the masses' and Freddie replied 'Ah Mr Ferocious! We do our best!' and the whole meeting was fairly good-natured apparently.
Watched that Queen/Paul Rodgers DVD again yesterday and I have to admit I did really enjoy watching it- hadn't seen it for a few years.
John Deacon??
Still maintaining a dignified silence and counting his money or has he been roped into this chicken in a basket malevolence?0
Please Stop Them Now
I can't say I agree with whole Rodgers and Queen thing. Please also see:
http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/new-queen-single-could-be-heaven-o...
What's all the fuss about?
They were crap when Mercury was the front man and they will be crap with Rodgers fronting them. It will still be the same old drivel and the same ridiculous guitar solos - in fact Queen would have been much better without Brian May possibly the worst guitarist ever!!
Just supposing it was 1992...
...and we were discussing the imminent reformation of the Beatles to record an album of new material. Would we be so laissez-faire about, say, Robert Palmer, taking over from John Lennon?
Sure, the surviving members of Queen can do whatever they like with their band (brand) and play with whoever they want. Unless they have been investing very unwisely, I doubt whether they need the money, so it must be for the "art".
can I
do my Queef joke now?
As in the terminology
As in the terminology attributed to a fanny fart?
If so...No. Now is not the time.
Are the Mercurial shoes even that hard to fill?
I thought this was quite a revelation, to the extent that I actually prefer the singing here.
(Note to fellow Mayophobes: poise your mouse to kill it sharpish at 1:45 - that's where the guitar solo starts.)
Ahhh... memories...
I was at that show and remember thinking "bloody hell! George Michael can sing!" I had to go to the bar to calm my nerves.
I loved Queen and still do
I loved Queen and still do really they're my guilty pleasure band and I probably know far too many details for my own good. Queen and Paul Rodgers... knock yourself out guys. Me you couldn't drag me there... new material.. dreadful. Live album, I'd rather not thanks. The new album will consist of a couple of lumpy Brian May rock numbers a couple of ballady things like that once heard never remembered single thing that they were peddling on daytime tv.
If there was ever a case of four people together being better than their constituent parts then Queen were it............ three nerds and a genius. For a songbook that in terms of sheer osmosis into the public consciousness probably rivals The Stones and The Beatles, and as a live act who understood the stadium medium with a frontman who thrived on the scale of the occassion. Live Aid anyone?
What is distressing and now I'm diverging off the path a wee bit is the distinct lack of quality control displayed by May and Taylor, seeing as Mr. Deacon and his string tie have retired. Queen And 5ive, Wylcef. I've always been of the opinion that Brian May comes across as such a nice guy that he wouldn't say no to a hell of a lot. Is it the case that with the Rodger's tour and album and all these frightful collaberations that they are trying to keep Mercury's memory alive or is it the case particularly with all the albums that keep creeping out that they have an awful lot of contract to fulfil
"three nerds and a genius"
So which one was the genius?
Freddie
he went on to better things.
I'm still recovering...
...from biting my tongue in half when a very nice lady with whom I work told me that she was hoping to persuade her partner to take her to see "We Will Rock You" for the second time.
...Genius???
...John Deacon obviously. Not just for 'Another one bites the dust' and 'You're my best friend' but for coming over all Zammo like and just saying NO when it was time for the band to become just a brand.
We Will Rock You.. the musical. No thanks
Now really guys! and girls.... Chill Pill Time
Does anyone really give a shit if Queen sans Freddie go out on tour?
Queen were a great day out in their time, and I saw them but once. If Queen + Paul Rodgers go out and fill arenas and give everyone a good night out, (and from what I hear they do exactly what it says on the tin) why begrudge them.
And I think Brian May and Roger Taylor have every right to call themselves Queen (or King or 2 from Queen)or whatever if that what they want.
Anyone going to these shows and there are plenty going to these shows knows what they are getting.
There must be more pressing things to discuss, like what happened to Paul Rodgers. I don't know if he looks good or is that his D**k where his nose used to be. He certainly looks stretched.
So Chill Pills all round then.
Pressing matters
Like why you just erroded your fingerprints to type out this boring garble.
Sorry Mate
but that last post just sums up your nasty juvenile rants of late. QED.
sorry mate
Ignore these little blips.
Forgiven
and Forgotten
Er
Best forgotten if not forgiven probably sums up this thread!
The real Queen
Hope they include this classic in their set