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Pulp at Hyde Park/ The 90s

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As a decade, the 90s get even more of a kicking than the 80s on this forum.

After witnessing Pulp send Hyde Park and Glastonbury into raptures - after a similar result for Blur a couple of years ago, Suede at Brixton Academy, Oasis on their last tour, Chemical Brothers at the Roundhouse - I'm trying to disassociate myself from the fact its the music of my youth, to be objective, but I can't help but think that we were just insanely spoilt with musical riches in the mid 90s.

At these shows, all these bands delivered muscular anthem after anthem across a broad musical palette, to an audience that bellowed along to every word, because they meant something to them. The cliches of rinky-dink cor-blimey Britpop (which never really made sense apart from a couple of Blur songs and the also-ran bands like Thurman) just don't ring true.

Last night at Pulp I heard two 17 year old girls comparing it to the Kings of Leon and Arcade Fire shows in the same venue and saying how much this blew them both away - 'why can't we have pop stars like that?' they were saying. The 'Greatest Frontman of All Time' (as crowned by The Word in their best/ worst list) was on astounding form last night, making a real connection with the audience in a way that few performers can get anywhere close to.

People will look back on the 90s as being an incredibly excessive time, the have-it-all generation going absolutely bananas in the last days of student grants, preposterous amounts of credit etc - maybe the last big party.

The soundtrack appears to be maturing brilliantly and proving all the Britpop detractors absolutely wrong. It's not just a nostalgia fest, because the shows are bringing new, younger fans in who seem to be having their minds blown wide open. All of these bands seem as relevant now, are playing packed out massive shows to a broad church and are absolutely nailing them, with their obvious quality elevating them miles above the slim pickings of today's indie landfill.

It's time we stopped being so sniffy about Britpop and acknowledged that the mid-90s were an incredibly fertile time for British music not only in the indie genre but also dance and hip hop.

I've said before that the term Britpop needs reclaiming to refer not to some fictional world of Small Faces copyists but the entire dizzying period that was soundtracked by Pulp, Blur, Black Grape, David Holmes, Oasis, Tricky, Portishead, Chemical Brothers, Goldie, Suede, Radiohead, Manic Street Preachers, Leftfield, Supergrass etc etc.

Any thoughts?

p.s. last night was quite good by the way

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Lest we forget...

Bjork, Underworld, The Aphex Twin, Orbital, Massive Attack et al.

I used to get quite riled that the 90's got tagged as Britpop and nowt else considering I spent the decade dancing my ass off at weird clubs. I blame Chris Evens and Noel Gallagher, Britpop was a fragment of the story and a lot of that was the landfill indie of the time.

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ganglesprocket | 4 July 2011 - 10:39am

Absolute Radio 90s

Having just got a new car with DAB, I've found the time to listen to Absolute Radio 90s (and Ab Rad 80s). It's hardly the best radio station in the world and the presenters are too local radio for my liking, but the amount of quality music that gets played is constantly surprising.

Well worth a couple of hours of your time...

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jockblue | 4 July 2011 - 10:41am
DogFacedBoy | 4 July 2011 - 10:49am

It will come as little surprise...

...that I'm a staunch defender of British music of that period. All the bands and artists mentioned above did great work - just great.

This morning, I listened to the new reissue of Suede's "Dog Man Star", and was reminded how that band, in particular, produced something truly special with their first two albums (not to mention their absurdly high-quality run of B-sides). Anyone who's not seen it would be well-advised to go on YouTube and search for "Suede Love and Poison" to see just how astonishingly good this band was. Bernard Butler is the equal or better of pretty much any guitarist I can think of. He was closely rivaled by Graham Coxon - both of them doing things with the instrument which would never occur to the overwhelming majority of guitarists.

So when "Dog Man Star" finished, I listened to "Parklife". Again: wow. Leaving aside the title track, and the fact that it's three tracks too long, here again is an amazing record.

And as ganglesprocket says, let's not forget all the interesting house and electronica and trip-hop that was happening at the time, too: Portishead, Sabres of Paradise, Death In Vegas, Lamb. There was tons going on.

Britpop as imagined by most people didn't really exist in more than a couple of Blur songs and some dreadful copyists. As I've said before, writing it off for Menswe@r is like writing off punk because of "Ça Plane Pour Moi".

The 90s did just fine.

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Bob | 4 July 2011 - 11:00am

Good decade, bad decade debates

I think all these good decade, bad decade debates (while enjoyable because kicking about thoughts and enthusiasms etc. about pop music is what we're all here for) are a bit fatuous because, although you maybe get the odd lean period, it never lasts long and every era of pop music has thrown up great records.
Does the '90s get such a hard time? I seem to remember Backwards' brilliant Britpop thing triggering a bit of a love-in. Part of the problem is maybe the over-exposure of a few records: does anyone really want to hear that Toploader single again? Or "Can You Bloody Dig It"? And though "Wake Up Boo" was fun for a few weeks, it's rather outstayed its welcome (and it's not as if it was Giant Steps). Although it's nice to think it's still earning the great Martin Carr a few bob.
I mostly listen to homemade compilations, bits & bobs from all over the shop. In the line-up for the one I was playing to death yesterday were "Twisterella" by Ride and "Special" by Garbage. Both 90s also-rans I suppose; but both brilliant records that still sound fresh as a daisy.

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Richard Lowe | 4 July 2011 - 11:11am

'Britpop'

Certainly gets a kicking here, but I don't think it ever really existed and that's kind of the point.

There was an incredible flowering of British talent in the mid 90s, during which I had a list of essential things to buy when I would be banging on the door of the record shop in Exeter at 8:59am without fail every single Monday. It felt like something amazing was going on.

The (for want of a better term) 'indie bands' that made up just one part of that has become known as Britpop, which has become shorthand for a certain type of band that was never really prevalent or popular - chirpy cockney indie. There are very few prominent examples of this, in a time which gave us Underworld, Tricky, Black Grape, Sabres etc.

It's about redefining what Britpop means to allows history to look back on that time as a glorious chapter in music.

Anyone who thinks that the 'indie' Britpop side and the more experimental dance side weren't linked should be referred to the Knebworth bill, supposedly the high watermark of the white indie boy version of Britpop - which featured Dreadzone, Chemical Brothers and the Prodigy on the bill.

The sniping at Britpop obscures the point that an amazingly fertile time for music is easily dismissed out of hand.

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Chimney Singing... | 4 July 2011 - 11:18am

Good decade, bad decade debates

I think all these good decade, bad decade debates (while enjoyable because kicking about thoughts and enthusiasms etc. about pop music is what we're all here for) are a bit fatuous because, although you maybe get the odd lean period, it never lasts long and every era of pop music has thrown up great records.
Does the '90s get such a hard time? I seem to remember Backwards' brilliant Britpop thing triggering a bit of a love-in. Part of the problem is maybe the over-exposure of a few records: does anyone really want to hear that Toploader single again? Or "Can You Bloody Dig It"? And though "Wake Up Boo" was fun for a few weeks, it's rather outstayed its welcome (and it's not as if it was Giant Steps). Although it's nice to think it's still earning the great Martin Carr a few bob.
I mostly listen to homemade compilations, bits & bobs from all over the shop. In the line-up for the one I was playing to death yesterday were "Twisterella" by Ride and "Special" by Garbage. Both 90s also-rans I suppose; but both brilliant records that still sound fresh as a daisy.

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Richard Lowe | 4 July 2011 - 11:11am

And

no-one's even mentioned Spiritualized - Pure Phase and Ladies and Gentlemen.. would be musical peaks in any decade.

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Macca99 | 4 July 2011 - 11:23am

Yes

Embarrassed I forgot them actually.

Well, I guess it proves the point, so much good stuff going on that I can't even remember it all.

If we remove the 'British' part then you also have to reflect on a golden age of hip hop - Wu Tang doing their best stuff with a stunning salvo of solo albums, Mobb Deep, Gravediggaz, Dr Octagon, Notorious BIG's first record, Scarface, The Death Row stuff, Beastie Boys, Big L, Nas, Ice Cube/ Da Lench Mob, Smoothe Da Hustler etc etc

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Chimney Singing... | 4 July 2011 - 11:34am

Not to mention...

...Jurassic 5, Blackalicious etc. Amazing time for hip hop.

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Bob | 4 July 2011 - 11:51am

I didn't really get Shoegazing, Britpop, Baggy and Rave...

As I was probably a few years too old, and generally I think of the 90's as a pretty lean time musically. However a quick look at my handy cut out and keep record collection guide, shows that there were some mighty fine albums released. Here's some of my favourites...

Blue Aeroplanes "Swagger"
Julian Cope "Peggy Suicide"
The La's "The La's"
Fatima Mansions "Viva Dead Ponies"
Monochrome Set "Dante's Casino"
Matthew Sweet "Girlfriend"
Teenage Fanclub "Bandwagonesque"
Buffalo Tom "Let Me Come Over"
Denim "Back In Denim"
Beck "Mellow Gold"
PJ Harvey "Dry"
Frank Black "Teenager of the Year"
David Byrne "Uh Oh"
Union Carbide Productions "Swing"
Sugar "Copper Blue"
Charlatans "Between 10th & 11th"
Lemonheads "It's A Shame About Ray"
Velvet Crush "Teenage Symphonies To God"
Morrissey "Your Arsenal"
Bjork "Debut"
Morphine "Cure For Pain"
Pavement "Slanted & Enchanted"
Flaming Lips "Clouds Taste Metallic"
Eugenius "Mary Queen of Scots"
Audioweb "Audioweb"
Fountains Of Wayne "Fountains Of Wayne"
Muttonbirds "Envy of Angels"
The Soundtrack of Our Lives "Welcome To The Infant Freebase"
Wilco "Being There"
Super Furry Animals "Fuzzy Logic"
Patti Smith "Gone Again"
Brian Jonestown Massacre "Give It Back"
Air "Moon Safari"
Redd Kross "Show World"
Michael Head & The Strands "The Magical World of..."
White Stripes "White Stripes"
Madness "Wonderful"
Shack "HMS Fable"
Eels "Electroshock Blues"
Queens of the Stoneage "QOTSA"
Guided By Voices "Mag Earwhig!"

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Retro Man | 4 July 2011 - 12:04pm

I don't feel

ready to start getting nostalgic and raking over what seems like only yesterday to me, and I do think your favourite era tends to coincide with your formative years. but I don't recall the 90s getting much of a drubbing?

I think the Britpop tag, as others have said, is incredibly reductive and was a bit of a joke at the time.
I think what really happened is that what would have been in the previous decade 'Indie', became mainstream in the wake of what happened with the Madchester (another incredibly reductive tag) scene. Pulp had been around for years, but then record companies found ways to market bands but still retain some indie cred, Radio 1 started playlisting them, and The Word (Terry Christian version not the other one!), Later and TFI Friday put them on the TV to great effect. The bands also perhaps realised that you could make 'popular' music, and make quite bold musical statements that could appeal to a large audience but still be quite experimental and off-beat musically. In the previous decade this was confined to late night John Peel show/Indie toilet gig circuit, there would have been characters like Jarvis and Brett around but they'd never have got near daytime Radio 1 or TV.

Was never entirely moved by Suede, Oasis and co. My soundtrack was Spirtualized, Aphex Twin, Autechre, LFO, Spring Heel Jack (ace drum & bass combo), Seefeel, Stereolab, High Llamas, Mogwai, Boo Radleys, Gorkys, Super Furry Animals, My Bloody Valentine, Meat Beat Manifesto, Orbital, The Orb (and what became known as Ambient Dub), Pale Saints, New Fast Automatic Daffodils, Black Dog, Underworld, Slowdive, Tortoise, Mercury Rev, Flaming Lips, Low...there was all sorts of interesting stuff going on.

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Dr Volume | 4 July 2011 - 12:22pm

Exactly!

I could swear on my life that Common People only came out last year.

16 years ago you say? I call you a liar!

Ocean Colour Scene seem to be the band that takes the biggest kicking in terms of button down shirts, desert boots and Dadrock.

Unfair. Great band, full of tunes, great songwriting, great vocalist, still good today.

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Six Dog | 5 July 2011 - 10:32am

I remember some great singles...

McAlmont & Butler, Edwyn Collins, Supergrass, Pulp, Lightning Seeds, Manic Street Preachers, Suede, The Verve, Black Grape, Portishead...even Shed Seven weren't the plodders they're often made out to have been.

I seem to remember buying singles every week in 95/96.

It's also interesting how some bands seem to get lucky with when they start out: Coldplay would never have achieved global stardom in '95.

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peterthecook | 4 July 2011 - 12:32pm

The 90s

was the last decade when the old channels and the old supply and demand model were in place, prescribing how consumers accessed and bought music. Brit-pop (in all its guises) gave us the last generation of "new music" consumers whose relationship with the music of their era would follow the same narrative as previous generations had undertaken with their own "new music": i.e. "new music" was still of the times for the times.

What has happened to music since the 90s has been a revolution, not an evolution. That revolution has nothing to do with WHAT we've been listening to but HOW we've listening to music. Technology and the web broke up all the old channels and the old supply and demand model. "New music" has become any music you've never heard before. Music has become so accessible the rules of what constitutes new and old has become blurred. Music as a cultural and generation-based activity is fractured and fragmented.

Because of this Brit-pop and music of 90s lost out on what previous generations have enjoyed. They've been able to vacuum-seal their music and its cultural heritage in a bubble of memories and perceptions to be written and re-written about impermeably. 90s music lost out on its chance of this heritage status because the watershed of its moment coincided with a seismic shift in what came next: ALL music became permeable and accessible to ALL consumers. The 90s generation lost out on informing the next generation of the merits of their music; anyone could find out for themselves without a guru.

Music is now in a permanent state of flux, unable to really imprint itself with any sense of a cultural/generational movement. Music as a "phenomenon" is limited to shows like X-Factor and some blog campaign to get a record to No.1 at Christmas.

Greater choice and freedom in how we access and consume music has diluted the concept of music as a cultural and generational barometer. 90s music and Brit-pop in particular was the biggest casualty of that dilution.

Or, perhaps, it was just crap music all along. But I don't really believe that.

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Ahh_Bisto | 4 July 2011 - 12:47pm

I think you're almost right but actually

the 90s just about sealed itself in a nice vacuum packed reminiscipackage before the Interweb fractured the music scene to the point it is now where it's an indefinable time travelling vaguness, with odd little scenes pinging around but no particular 'movement'.
If you watch the Creation Records documentary for example, or that Britpop movie from a while back, or the Blur 'No Distance Left to Run' thing, you do get a sense that this era can be reduced and packaged fairly easily. Just.

I defy anyone to do the same with the 00s.

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Dr Volume | 4 July 2011 - 1:00pm

I agree with you

on the repackaging. But there are 2 stages to this. The first is identifying and acknowledging that there was a substantive musical movement in the 90s. But the second stage is the one that has been curtailed: how influential that movement is on subsequent generations. It used to be a linear narrative with a kind of "handing over of the baton" but it's not any more. The 90s are as accessible as the 50s or 60s. Consumers don't have to buy the (re)package, they can cherry-pick, and they don't have to take someone else's word on it, they can make up their own mind at the press of a keyboard button. Brit-pop has to compete for the attention of the next generation(s) in a way no music movement ever had to before.

Music is everywhere and yet it's importance or significance has never seemed so marginalised as it is now. Somehow Brit-pop represents most keenly how that shift has manifested itself. The one benefit to those key 90s acts over other decades is that they can reclaim its significance by virtue of not being dead/too old and still being able to reform and play live.

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Ahh_Bisto | 4 July 2011 - 1:30pm

The idea.....

.....that 'new' music being any music that one hasn't heard before has
always existed, it's not unique to a post-internet world.
Otherwise, I'd have listened to Duran Duran and Madonna instead of Nick Drake and James Brown.....and I didn't!

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ranger | 5 July 2011 - 9:02am

True

but it's the level of unqualified accessibility that is unique.

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Ahh_Bisto | 5 July 2011 - 10:44am

scary

The thing that worries me here is that to me these bands are all current, and it reminded me 11 years have gone by since the Millennium.

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Vincent | 4 July 2011 - 12:46pm

The nineties

were also home to the pre Britpop acts that I adored such as Wonder Stuff, Thousand Yard Stare, Ned's, PWEI, 5:30, etc.

I have been listening back to a lot of the chart stuff from the 'indie' bands lumped together as Britpop recently and having not listened to it for years it was great to hear it again and brought back some wonderful memories.

It's wrong to categorize music in genres in my opinion but it's ludicrous to lump different genres under the banner of a single decade! Even one band can make music that you love and hate in equal measures.

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jimmyshoes01 | 4 July 2011 - 12:50pm

The mid 90's was a fine time

The mid 90's was a fine time for music. No mention yet of Longpigs yet. Or Sleeper. Who were a bit toss but did record a couple of fine singles. And had Louise for the blokes to fancy.

Have a look at the 1995 Glastonbury lineup. Fantastic.

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Lenny Law | 4 July 2011 - 12:56pm

Mrs Bob...

...was at Glastonbury in 1995. I'm very envious. She still has the poster and her ticket pinned to the back of the wardrobe door in her old room at her mum and dad's house.

The Longpigs were a fucking great band. "The Sun Is Often Out" is such a good record - hardly a duff track. Agreed on Sleeper, too - not consistent enough for any good albums, but a handful of really great singles.

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Bob | 4 July 2011 - 1:15pm

I'm biased...

...because the 90s were 'my' era, but there was a lot of great music coming out, some of it was Britpop and some of it came from other genres. I listen to Absolute 90s sometimes as a nostalgia trip and while not all of it's great, I don't see any harm in it as a soundtrack to pottering around in the kitchen. Don't we all think that 'our' era was some sort of golden age?

What I do find interesting is the way that articles and stations like that give you a very packaged idea of what the decade was about. I was an indie kid, but knew loads of people who were more into the club scene, which seems to get far less coverage in all the features that you read about the 90s. While for me dance music got very formulaic and dull somewhere around '92, it should be acknowledged that for many people around at the time, the decade was more about tracks from Livin' Joy and Alison Limerick than Oasis and Blur.

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atcf | 4 July 2011 - 1:32pm

Good point

a lot of people will have spent the 90s going clubbing or going to Ibiza or whatever and will have a totally different soundtrack to their lives. Some of them probably read Word's sister magazine Mixmag. Does Mixmag have a Mixmag Massive?

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Dr Volume | 5 July 2011 - 1:48am

I don't think the dance scene was much about music.

Most of the participants were so off ther tits on E that they'd have danced to the sound of someone knocking a couple of saucepans together at 100bpm. The music was similarly designed to be appreciated by the chemically enhanced. There may be some people who now choose Rave On! Thirty Banging Club Classics as a soundtrack when they sit down and put their feet up with a glass of pinot noir and a good book after the kids have been put to bed but I sense they are in the minority.

I suspect that the message boards of the Mixmag Massive are filled with protracted and learned debates about whethe Eeezy E and the EEeeez A Geeeeeeeza Poseeeeee's "Eeeeeey'are Geeeeeza Eeeeeeeres an E" was happy hardcore grind house or happy house ravecore grind.

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Lenny Law | 5 July 2011 - 9:11am

What a fabulously

blinkered view of a fabulously diverse genre.

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jimmyshoes01 | 5 July 2011 - 9:25am

The nineties

for me were a tale of two halves.
The first was indie and Britpop mainly then from 1997 it was dance all the way as NME and Select gave way to Mixmag and DJ magazine.

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jimmyshoes01 | 5 July 2011 - 9:13am

Spot on Chimney

Compared to the early eighties (only The Cramps, The Violent Femmes, and Billy Bragg really stood out for me), the mid-nineties were a thrilling time for music.

I particularly remember a double bill of Supergrass/Bluetones before their debuts LPs, a raucous Elastica, a mesmerising Skunk Anansie (with 'Clint Power' T-shirt) and a magnificent Pulp. Even 'landfill', such as Echobelly, were great.

I'd seen Pulp a few years before in a quarter-full Leadmill in Sheffield and while Jarvis was engaging the music wasn't.

I think 'Britpop' was a time when bands such as Pulp suddenly hit a purple patch while there was a greater tolerance for less mainstream and original acts, who could make great pop songs.

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Olthwaite | 4 July 2011 - 1:35pm

Pulp tour

Just to add that they will be touring in August\Sept. Have already announced 31st August at Brixton with at least another date pencilled in. Dates around the UK to follow

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DogFacedBoy | 4 July 2011 - 8:56pm

Random points

I was in college from 92-98. I was djing a little and thought it was a mighty fine time for music. The reductionism is fun now but I bought a lot of contemporary music then that seems to have stood up well.

However, at Glasto last week I thought there was a little too much reliance on the 1990s: Radiohead, Pulp, Chemical Brothers, Primal Scream making big noises.

I was 18 in 1992. I guess some teen being interested in Pulp now is comparable to the 18 year old me being into 1978 - which I was.

(PS Other great 90s stuff: Together Alone, Take That and the HJH Anthologies)

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DrJ | 4 July 2011 - 9:42pm

Good shout

about Take That - another 90s band dominating their genre.

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Chimney Singing... | 5 July 2011 - 8:28am

Helooo!

*Waves a lonely banner for 90's soft Scottish pop rock*. "Roll To Me" was huge by the way ;o)

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Dave Amitri | 4 July 2011 - 11:40pm
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