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Proposed Changes To 'The Word'
Posted by Clint Oyster on 11 January 2010 - 11:07am.
Just received the new issue; looks v. good as usual. Now, I'm not usually a change-resistant curmudgeon (oh alright then, of COURSE I am!) and I'll reserve judgement on the rest of your proposed improvements. However, I will say this: 'Stapled spine? NOOOOOOOOO!' (falls to floor and shouts forlornly at sky........)
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According to Mrs Bounce
Mine has just dropped onto the mat.
Can't wait to get home.
Where's Mine?
"Spin" and the "National Trust Magazine" are poor substitutes (although neither have stapled spines).
Oh it's arrived, has it?
(Rubs hands together a la Mr. Burns) Exccccellent. That's this evening sorted out then.
No Beards?
That would be some change wouldn't it.
Time this lot had a front cover
Actually...
I'd love to read a piece on the Dubliners: a big influence on the Pogues, great drinking songs and still going after 40-odd years(albeit in their own tribute band). And the beards...they make ZZ Top look like Right Said Fred.
So would I.
Only problem is Ronnie Drew, Ciaran Bourke and Luke Kelly are all dead and a friend who met Barney McKenna once told me that he'd never met a less coherent person in his life. Could be a bit tricky.
Stapled spine?
The postman delievrs mid-afternoon in my neck of the woods, so I won't get to see the new issue until teatime. But, judging from clint oyster's post... have we now gone to 'stapled spine' territory - or is this a proposition from the top brass at The Word?
Without even needing to think about it, my thought on the matter is "no way". Stapled spine magazines are crap. Perfect-bound is publishing beauty incarnate.
Not stapled spine.....
....yet.
No beard but the cover star didn't shave that morning.
I've had a little bet with myself that it's...
Ian Dury/Andy Serkis on the cover.
How wrong am I?
New Word, No Beard,
Top Geezer
Staples?
Eurgh. Vox magazine was stapled and look what happened to that. All the best monthly titles are perfect-bound. It's just a fact.
spoiler request
Go on, who's on the cover then? All I can be sure of is it ain't Jeremy Clarkson.
let's just say
Starkley owes himself money...
So I've won!
Or did I lose?
Possibly both. I was definitely either wrong or right, of that I'm sure.
Seeing as I haven't had any post in a week, I can't imagine I'll find out when I get home. I shall stay on tenterhooks till then.
Brill!
Timely too. Going to see the movie soon.
We Fear Change
I shall reserve judgement on the stapled spine until I see it but v happy to hear of a return to 'more reading'.
More music?
More music and less comedian/TV "personalities" would get my vote!
and mine too
but if you want to save money, drop the cd - there's already more music out there to listen to than Bargepole can handle!
yeah
the cd is easily the least essential bit of the mag
Agreed
It goes straight in the bin.
Agreed seconded
It can be hit or miss...
...but I owe the Word CD for introducing me to Sun Kil Moon and, in turn, American Music Club, who I absolutely adore.
Not the CD debate again!
Throw it in the bin if you want but why agitate to take it away from others?
The CD stays say I
Get yo' filthy mitts off the CD plz
Inessential? No way, hose.
For me, the CD is one of the best bits. It's straight onto iTunes.
Being a geek(ish), I have a groovy Smart Playlist that goes on the iPod every time I sync. It plucks out 20 of the least played tracks from the Word cds over the years: I'm *that* scared of missing out on potential gems. After all, this is the series that gave me new all-time fave acts Neko Case, The Sleepy Jackson and Mew, and heaven knows how many life-enriching individual tracks such as Cristina Donà's Goccia, Angela McCluskey's 'It's Been Done', Trash Can Sinatra's 'Weightlifting' and, believe me, I could go on.
The CD is, if I may, the gift that keeps on giving.
If the CD goes...
....I go
If the CD goes..
...then it saves some of the planet's resources. Sorry...music shouldn't be free anyway....discuss!!!
Saddled-stitched magazines
There've been plenty of quality saddle-stitched magazines down the years, most notably in Word's field: Select and Details (when it was good - going perfect bound coincided with jumping the shark if I remember correctly). Perfect-bound always seems a bit tragic when there are less than about 160 pages. Unless, of course, the cover stock's too weedy to do its job (e.g. Rolling Stone, and the Xmas Radio Times, which never lasts the fortnight intact.)
Personally, I think The Word should go weekly.
Weekly?
Don't know about that, but fortnightly would be useful. Smash Hits thrived and was at its best when it appeared fortnightly.
I don't know...
...what a saddle stitcher is, but it sounds well pervsome (in a good way). Next time I'm in the South East can somebody let me have a go on one of theirs, please?
I'll bring muffins...
Staples Corner
Editing a magazine has always been a balancing act. On one hand you've got people who want to see you be adventurous; on the other you've got people who want everything to stay the same. This is made even more difficult in the era of instant response where you're having to answer even theoretical criticisms. These changes don't come in until the March issue.
A little background. We're doing this because: we think it helps emphasise what's different about the magazine rather than what's the same. It saves us some costs, which is increasingly important in a post-Borders world. We think people value this magazine for what's on its pages. It's not one for the coffee-table. And the new format lends the magazine a certain immediacy. Monthly magazines went over to perfect-binding in the 1980s in response to demand from advertisers, not from readers. Before that time there were very few perfect-bound titles. Against the background of the seismic things that have gone on in the media, this move from glue to staples is a pretty minor change.
We don't mind being classed with other saddle-stitched titles (which is what they're called) such as The New Yorker, New Statesman, The Week or The Spectator. We hope you'll welcome the new look - which isn't going to be that radical actually - as well as many other changes to the magazine when you get a chance to absorb them. If you feel that this magazine with its website, podcast, CD and other activities is letting you down then you should say so.
"Letting me down..."
...only in that I could use a one-hour daily podcast if you could see your way clear. The wait between pod-editions is agonising.
Other than that, points taken, as you were etc.
As long as you alternate
between HJHs, Dylan & Dylan on the cover Allen, you could never let us down.
Yes, but...
cost cutting and change aside - more importantly, how is one expected to show off the old collection and display the magazines in year and issue order on high quality custom made shelving in the front room if the magazine has a bloody stapled spine...?!
CH,Ch,Ch,Ch, Changes
When I read the subscribers letter I too had a private bet with myself. I guessed that the change to cause the most consternation would be the staples.
I don't care about the staples or binding but I was delighted to read that there would be more in depth features and not necessarily about music. I was also pleased looking through this months issue an interview with David Essex. While not a fan I can see that he recognise that he has lived a life in music and would welcome more interviews of this type rather than the latest person touting an album who is on the cover of all the other monthlies and Radio Times. In other words keep up the good work and more to read sounds great to me.
Agree about Essex,
It was the first feature I went to, not because I like his music, but that it caught my eye as being totally unpredictable.
I went straight to it
because I thought it was a picture of Peter Gabriel
Or Tony James
They all have a similar look these days.
Me too
After reading this thread. And then I went to Amazon and downloaded his Greatest Hits (about £4 or £8 on iTunes). And I'm listening to it right now. Hold Me Close and If I Could are irresistably catchy.
Gonna Mke You A Start "He just doesn't seem to understand the rock media" aside is a great song.
Rock on!
Private Eye is printed on toilet paper
and I still look forward to it.
I think the Word should buy space on the Grauniad's allegedly underused Berliner presses and go weekly, on newsprint.
Muller
As I run a Saddle Stitcher at work (A Muller Bravo S)this change is of great interest to me. The Perfect Binders at work tend to look down on the stitchers so this a one-up on them.
Now if only Word would like to get it Stitched on the South Coast at a company with a 100 year+ history that would be even better!
Ian
And, in similar self-promotional fashion
...they could always try researching the idea with their readership using a London-based company with a 30+ year history.
Pardon?
stapling gives the mag 'a certain immediacy' - please explain!
if The Word aims to emulate any of the mags mentioned above ,or indeed -shudder- the also bestapled 'Rolling Stone' then I'm afraid Bargepole will be seeking a new monthly read as he finds them all tedious in the extreme.
Great Mags with Staples No. 1
http://www.rosab.net/IMG/jpg/10-sniffin_glue_jun77.jpg
Now form a band...
Bedtime reading
I'm looking forward to it being staple bound. I do a lot of my magazine reading in bed, and I find staple bound magazines are easier to keep open than perfect bound ones.
That's enough Carl
No more detail on your magazine reading in bed.
Doh!
I guess I left myself wide open for that one.
Get's dressing gown
Don't really care about format
as long as it's still worth reading cover to cover - after which it goes in the recycling anyway (eventually)
Mine used to go to the local IVF clinic...
.. as an alternative to some of the other mags on offer.
Had to stop recently due to "infection control". Too many beards on show.
Wot Mr Ellen said
I'm not a fetishist, it's the content that interests me.
You people get postal deliveries
these days? Lucky bastards.....
One thing that should go
One thing that should go down well is that Word of Mouth is returning, in a slightly different format, according to David's subs letter. Look forward to seeing the changes.
Subs Letter
Do "overseas" (Ireland) get this? If not, why not? I think we paid enough.
You used to
But it was causing significant delays to delivery - it's a long, logistics-related saga, but including it for overseas subscribers essentially meant the magazine being unwrapped and then re-packaged for delivery to those readers, and we figured you'd rather have it on time than not. Instead, we plan to start putting it online and sending the link out in the same subscriber mail containing the link to the e-dition.
Stout Fellow
nice work as always
Also, I agree with Mark that
Also, I agree with Mark that you buy it for what you want to read in it; that said, Word is beautifully designed, particularly the subscribers limited cover editions, and I am happy to find a place for it on my coffee table!
Let's hear it for the Staples
Robbie and the Band like the Staples...
EDIT: Darn, Lucas beat me to a similar joke :-(
Well...
I am thinking about the positive changes, such as a return to considered reviews rather than the "scramble to be the first to publish an ill-considered opinion..."
Am I the only one who remembers the promises of the first issues that reviews would be written some time after receipt of the review copy so that the reviewer could give it a decent listen, and that this would mean that reviews might come out a month or more after release?
Am I the only one who remembers the promises that the magazine would include more on books, films and other popular culture?
I've got to say, much as I love Messrs Hepworth and Ellen, I haven't been reading cover to cover lately because of my perceived lack of coverage of these other areas - I might be wrong.
So I say HURRAH AND HUZZAH for new things and for that I can forgive a few staples...
Might be worth doing a page count
I think you'll find that there's quite a lot of books and TV and films and other stuff in every issue.
Heppo's right
There is a lot of non music stuff. A lot of readers apparently like this but I want a music mag, personally. Word does music better than most, but not enough, IMHO.
well, yes but...
it's called Word, not Note.
Don't misunderstand me, I have subscribed for years, the current sub is the Mr's, and I have just bought a sub for my sister, you still have my loyalty, but recent issues haven't quite grabbed me in the way past ones have done.
I do accept that it is probably my perception that there isn't as much non-music - and there is substantially more included than a lot of other magazines...but as an example, I'm thinking about the early ish where you reviewed Anthony Beevor (poss Stalingrad, can't recall) and thinking about how pleased I was about that.
I mean, I love love love music, but I love other things too and to have them represented and covered literately in one magazine has always been something I value enormously. After all if I just wanted music coverage and didn't care about style or whatever I would buy one of the other mags.
Anyway, let's not fall out, I still read it, just not always every single word.
I'd like a techie page again though...
Seconded
Yep, techie page would be v nice. You guys were all over the iPod in your time (quite rightly). Moar.
Thirded!
(If there's such a word!)
whyPod?
Rolling Stone and NME were at there best when they wrote about other stuff, and so is The Word. More books, films, rants, tech-stuff, national treasures and Iraq War vet podcasts, please.
Couldn't give a monkeys
whether the mag has staples or not. What is in it is what matters.
Pleased there will be more to read, bit disappointed to hear that "Word of Mouth"is returning. Didn't really care to hear what books, films and music someone like Kevin Pietersen liked (and yes he was used ...in 2006).
Chad Krueger too
You don't think picking two names.....
....out of, let's say, 300, might be just a smidgeon invidious?
Well I could go through the back issues
and pick out loads of names (in fact all of them) to illustrate the point, which remains, I'm not that much interested in what "they" like. Just didn't see the attraction of the feature I'm afraid.
I like Word Of Mouth
and will welcome its return.
i was ribbing you, David
- referring to your column in the 5th anniversary ish. Personally I allus liked WoM.
So its just me who doesn't care for WoM then?
I can live with that
Nope
I don't really see the point of it most of the time. I really don't care what a random writer, sportsman, TV presenter etc listens to/reads/eats etc.
Where I do think WoM would be helpful is after a long feature about a musician, especially one talking about a new album. A WoM would give me a feel for where his head was at whilst writing/recording the record.
I'm excited
Because Messrs Ellen and Hepworth appear to be. I trust 'em. I'm exactly half way through a two year subscription and have complete confidence. Bring it on. I can't wait.
Absolutely...
...my thoughts. Do what you will, I know I'll get some information, some enjoyment and some challenge.
Do whatever you want to
Fine by me. I'll go with the flow, change isn't a bad thing.
Great mag this month again. I really enjoyed the feature on It Might Get Loud (good to hear a voice of slight dissent) and it's good to read an interview with Rebecca Front, someone whom I've seen in many excellent TV shows and heard on the radio, but know almost nothing about.
Just get rid of those "best of worst of" lists and,,,
Use the two sides for an in-depth Journey retrospective as they seem to be popular again for some reason.
Noooooooo!
I love the 'best of worst of bit'. Causes much anger and arguments with the compiler (in my head - every one else thinks it's just me ranting as usual). And while I'm on, I think Word always looks a bit thin perfect-bound anyhew. Saddle stitched will be a bit different don't you think? As long as the glossy cover goes. I liked the matt/satin finish of Select et al. It's quite the thing in publishing I think (apart, it would seem, from all those glossy monthlys that still clog up the shelves. Yes I'm talking about you Q and Empire). Didn't Mojo used to have a nice matt cover or does it still have?
The single reason I buy Word is for the quality of the writing. I don't always agree with the point of view of the writer, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying a good feature - even on an act or artist I don't care for! Now there's a thing. Little point in reading a music feature if you just want to hear your own opinion thrown back at you (Q got good at that, so I stopped reading it about 10 years ago). Tell me somoething I don't know! Surprise me.
And that's what you do, Word.
And the CD is ace. I can honestly say I like about 10% of each one, but I always listen to all of it. It opens the mind, guys an' gals.
Best/Worst = Best
Of the smaller regular features, Best/Worst is one of my favourites. I'm glad to see it's staying (given the note this month that you'll be doing cartoons later in the year). I'm hoping 99% true stays too, I got it right this month.
Can't say I'm too worried about the changes, I have faith in the Word!
Cartoons?
Please say you're going to re-run Th' Lone Groover :-)
Oh my..
..got all weepy then! yes perlease!!!
Naughty naughty...
I often think that they switch one item from the "best of" page to the "worst of" (and vice versa) out of sheer devilment sometimes; don't think I haven't noticed.
Proposed changes
I haven't received my issue this month yet *shakes fist at our snow-creating overlords* but I hear word (arf!) that I'm quoted in this month's issue. If this is one of the proposed changes, I am happy to be included every month...
Would love to see
the look on Lennylaw's face when he reads the letters page!
New issue was waiting for me
when I got home last night. I must say after reading Mr Hepworth's letter I'm quite looking forward to the "new" Word - and a promise of "better Podcasts" - how are you going to improve on those I wonder?!
What's all this then?
For hardy perennials like myself who are between subscriptions (honest gov, I'm movin' 'ouse) could we make an exception and release the editor's letter to the masses to read the full list of changes.
For what it's worth, The Word has been really good the past few months, it's got its groove at the minute, I'd rather a Flaming Lips article than "The day Paul du Noyer met Morrissey" or what have you. So I'm happy for the Twosome we shall now call Ellworth to do what they feel will make it better.
Staples are cool.
"Staples are cool"
I prefer Office World myself
(coat)
Magazines must move on or they die
Isn't this what Word is doing? Whatever they throw at me I'll take it. I like the mix. Too much music isn't a good thing in my book. We get that elsewhere. It's an intelligent mix covering pop culture generally and I'm all for it. You won't really find that anywhere else.
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Shut up and enjoy what you're given or move on yourself.
Pretty much nails it
Or staples it.
That's not *exactly* the way the editor phrased it
but I take your point.
Cd cover
nobody has mentioned that with the new format the CD covers are now suitable for framing. A bonus I think.
But with 2000 unplayed i-tunes tracks and 200 podcasts, the CD is not essential for me.
Not essential here either...
I rip it and add it to the general music library rather than making a special effort to listen to it. I can't remember more than a couple of tracks that have prompted me to investigate a new band any further.
If the free CD didn't exist, I wouldn't be bothered but I suspect it helps the magazine move off the shelves and there'd be little saving in removing it from subscriber copies.
In Support of the CD
I bought and loved at least two albums (from We Fell To Earth and The Scaremongers) solely on the basis of hearing songs by them on the free CDs last year, and - having listened to the latest CD in the car on the way to work this morning - I'll be downloading "Islands" by The Mary Onettes (despite their terrible name!) from emusic when I get home tonight.
Am I the ONLY subscriber...
...who - literally, honestly, no kidding - has never heard A SINGLE ONE of the 'Festive 50' as listed in the new issue? And I've never heard OF at least seven of the artistes involved.
Don't get wrong, I'm not complaining about this in any way, I'm just genuinely fascinated to see if other hard-core Word readers see what we might call the 'new music' element of the magazine to be an irrelevance to them. It's certainly not what I buy it for.
I do understand that some degree of 'new music' box ticking has to be in there, otherwise Word would wither and die in the purgatory of Classic Rock-dom or be perceived as an old-hat-centric operation like other monthly music magazines.
But I'm personally not interested in 'new music' - not in a declamatory it-were-better-in-my-day sort of way. More in a 'memory-pretty-much-full' way. Haven't even bothered watching Later with Jools the past two or three series.
So my point is, like Em's above - is there a sizeable number of Word people who want to stand up and say (for the Ellworth team to make a mental note of), 'Keep the non-new-music element high - it's what we're here for'?
Curiously, when I say non new music I mean really music/musicians of such recent vintage that they have no 'story', no footprint in the culture. When I read stuff in the new issue about Dr feelgood, David Essex or Ian Dury, I'm not reading - to my mind - MUSIC features, I'm reading about interesting people and times in history. The fact they made music long ago and far away seems almost irrelevant. They're just interesting, readable cultural icons.
Does that make sense to anyone else here....?
I agree in part...
...but as a lover of music, I'm interested in all sorts of toopics around the subject. The feature about the guys who organsied ents at University was really interesting, and something you wouldn't find in a more mainstream publication. I stopped reading Q a long time ago, a mag I used to love, but it got to the point where the features and especially the reviews were largely about acts EVERYONE ELSE was also covering. I know what I like musically; at heart, I'm a white-boy indie guitar pop tune fan, but I can't help being interested in what other people are doing, and finding out about genres I wouldn't usually warm to. Usually goes no further than that, but it's good to keep a toe in what else is going on rather than just kicking back and listening to straightforward guitar rock for the rest of my days.
I think that that is why...
...old music is often the cover star of the magazine. I think Word balances new and old music perfectly. Theres no point slapping Mumford & Sons on the front cover and giving them a 2000-3000 word feature because there isn't enough to say about them.
I value the opinions of everyone who contributes to The Word and as a result I want to hear what current releases are worth listening to. As well as keeping me informed it prevents the magazine from stagnating and encourages a whole new generation to buy it.
I would like to take this opportunity to say 'bravo!' to the Word for constantly evolving and being prepared to embrace the new as well as the old.
I agree with almost
everything you say, adamwilko89, but I wouldn't be so quick to assume that you can NEVER get 3000 words out of Mumford & Sons or anyone for that matter. The success of an article has as much to do with the writer, their relationship with the artist, the prejudices they take to their meeting and what actually happens on the day as it does with the artist's ability to cast light on their vision.
Despite their qualities it would take a big stretch to say that Mott The Hoople, Ducks Deluxe or The Kursaal Flyers were amongst the most engaging fixtures in the 1970's rock canon, but you won't find many rock books as compelling as either "The Diary Of A Rock n Roll Star" or "No Sleep 'Til Canvey Island".
New
I totatlly agree with you Colin. In have a very busy life,kids,work ,etc and when I get a chance to listen to anything new its nearly always on the radio. The CD used to be stored in cupboards untill my wife threw them out one day saying I never listened to them. So now they are threw out soon after they arrive.
My problem is I feel bad when I get rid of them. Someone has went to the trouble of making them and I feel guilty. Cant they just put them online every month instead?
Absolutely..
..couldn't agree more! Make the stuff downloadable (maybe for subscribers..?) and save the resources. I hardly ever listen to the CD if I don't recognise the artists or have been intrigued by a good review.
I like staples
as it means Word can now put a poster in the centre pages, something I'm sure we would all welcome.
To start with, how about this?
Aaaaaand...
...were back to Smash Hits.
"Relax girls, he's married"
And the award for the most unstucktogether
centrefold in history goes to...
I don't understand the CD grumbles
They are the perfect soundtrack to an evening flicking through the magazine. It's nigh on impossible that you're going to like every single track, but I think that's the point - it gives you the chance to hear 15 or so tracks you might never otherwise have heard. You'll inevitably dislike or shrug your shoulders at some, but you might find the odd track that means something to you.
Without the CD, I wouldn't have discovered, bought albums by (and even seen live) all manner of artists, including The National, She and Him, Decemberists or Nick Lowe. And there's nothing like reading a review then going back to listen to a track from that very album - that's what I call service.
To me The Word isn't a magazine with free CD or a CD with free magazine, it is impeccable writing about a range of subjects with a well-chosen soundtrack. And, apparently, soon it will come with free staples...
Please please
no fashion pages ever!
Just wondrin'
I do not own a horse. How am I going to read it sidesaddle?
It had to happen I guess
I'm not surprised you're taking a good look at costs and content. I would question whether the magazine is capable of making money long term with what I assume is a largely static readership base, head office costs shared with one other non-overlapping magazine and a website - all set against the likely printed media structural backdrop.
I hope you find a way to make things work. Particularly if it involves never publishing a review of the year/decade again!
As long as the cost cutting exercise
does not mean the end of the subscriber's-only Christmas party...
When is it again?
Are you going weekly?
I've always thought of saddle-stitched as something for the weeklies like the ones Mark mentions in his post above. But I'm all for a bit of cost-cutting that doesn't involve a loss of editorial quality.
For those who don't like the cd: click on this
http://8tracks.com/wayfarer/i-heard-the-word-and-it-was-good-mostly
It's an 8track mix of someone's favourite Word tracks - I believe it is the same Wayfarer who props the bar up elsewhere on these pages. Well done, sir...
That's a good idea...
Missing out any track by (a) bands I already knew and (b) anything that resulted in me buying the parent album (as I no longer needed the "rippped-from-the-CD MP3s and so didn't have them on my laptop!) we get this:
http://8tracks.com/spanky808/highlights-from-the-now-hear-this-covermoun...
Catchy title eh?
Never mind the Staples
It was Mr Hepworth's subscriber letter that made me realise a couple of months ago that I needed reading glasses. Given the apparent Word "demographic" I can't believe I'm the only one - so larger print please!
(alternatively, much as I love the CD, why not give away a free pair of Word logo'd reading glasses with a future issue?)
On a more frivolous point, even when a particular issue isn't that great, there's still on the whole more to read than most magazines, so I'm happy to go with whatever changes Messrs Hepworth and Ellen are proposing
As for me...
I'm really happy to go with big(ish) changes suggested by the staff. They've got it right so mnay times before. Good luck to them, and I'll certainly still be buying!
An aspect that has got to me, though, is the way the Reviews section formatting has gone over the last 12 months of so. (Not: definitely the formatting/arrangement, not the writing of the reviews.) The system used back when it was Jude-Rogers-edited, with Long Music reviews, then shorter music reviews, then the same for the re-issues, then onto the Books, films and DVDs at the back. You knew where you were. Now, however, without any real clear sense of a creative decision, these divisions have started to bleed into each other. Madonna's box-set in the New Music bit is one example among many.
Unlike, for example, the bringing in of staples or the new focus on wider subjects, its not an bold editorial decision, which I'm happy to trust you with. It just seems a tad sloppy.
I keep reading the title of this thread
as Proposed Changes To The World... frankly that would be less worrying.
(Only jesting... as you were.)
Anticipation
I would love to join in the debate, but I am still waiting with eager anticipation for the Feb issue to go kerplunk on my doormat. There again the bins haven't been collected for 4 weeks either, must be the wrong kind of snow.
Unless of course the change is that I don't get a copy anymore!
best and worst
did anyone else notice the glaring and frankly insulting omission of The Muppets from the best of childrens TV this month??? WTF
Don't they count as part of Sesame Street?
I'm really looking forward to the planned move to A5 size,
as it'll make it so much easier to stuff a copy into the man-bag.
I am broad-minded...
...I will adjust to any changes - as long a horoscope doesn't appear in the pages of Word.
There is such a thing as the last straw.
So
How are you on crosswords?
Actually
I always liked to do the music themed crossword in that rival mag that is between P&R (don't know if they still do it, haven't read it for about 10 years). Wouldn't have a problem if The Word had one
The Changes
Just got my copy and read this thread. It sounds as though the subscribers letter listed the changes more definitively than Mark's editorial at the front of the mag. Can someone reproduce what the subscribers letter said please? Curious to know what was said...
P
Here you go, Paul, I've keyed mine in...
Dear Subscriber,
Here at Word magazine we, like, want to move with the times, yeah? So from next month there will be, like, some changes. For a start, the magazine will no longer be perfect bound. Instead, we're going to have some wicked staples in the middle. We will also be implementing a new problem page edited by that girl out of NDubz, as well as having a few pages without Lily Allen or the Pet Shop Boys on them. Yeah, but don't worry right, these will be marked with a red warning triangle so you can avoid them if you need to. There will probably be other changes, too, right, like some more pictures of Linda Thompson or something, but at the moment we're too wasted to think of any.
Up yours Delors!
David Hepworth
That
made me laugh quite a lot. I hope those in question take it in the same spirit!
Bit belatedly
I'm all in favour of Word Of Mouth re-appearing, I bought a couple of DVDs and books if the recommendations sounded interesting enough. It's also where I first heard about The Da Vinci Code; I seem to recall that being regularly raved about by WOMers until Dan Brown was considered declasse.
I couldn't care less if it's stapled or perfect-bound, so long as it continues to carry interviews with unexpected yet perfect-in-hindsight musicians/actors/authors (I agree Rebecca Front is a great example.)
Only a week to go...
Quite looking forward to the next issue now. Only a week to go!
The CD
I always seem to chip in on the CD debate but I have to wonder where some of the massive are coming from in wanting it removed. For some there seems to be a cooler than thou approach, as if NHT is an affront to your ability to seek out the new and fun for yourself. Others seem to be just to be too busy to listen to 15 songs in a month. if you listen to one song a day for 15 days you still have 15 days left to not listen to it! Some claim both as an issue.
Either way, its by the by; CD dislikers, can't you just accept that many of us do like it? This month I have found a lot I like and will buy on there; I totally accept you chuck it in the bin out of free will, please acccept that I enjoy it and would be poorer for its departure
Incidentally, when you go on Amazon and look at an album by an artist featured on NHT all the other artists on the CD come up in the also viewed section of your home page, so it must be doing something for the featured artists as well.
Please take no offence, there just seems to be something closed-minded from such an enlightened massive in wanting the CD removed. Anyway, back to Mulatu Astake, The Postmarks, Fanfarlo, oh, you get the idea
Personally...
...I used to listen to the CD as soon as I got the magazine, but found less and less stuff on there I actually liked, and an increasing number of tracks which had me reaching for the skip button. These days I look at the track listing, but even if there is a new track on there by a band or artist I love I still don't listen to it as I know I'll be getting their whole album in a few weeks when it is released, so I don't listen to it on NHT. I know, I know - I could be missing out on a lot of good stuff, but for some reason the CD just doesn't appeal to me at all, and these days I never even consider playing it, instead putting the cover into the recycle bin and the disk into the landfill one.
For the record (no pun intended) I don't want those who love the CD to stop getting it at all. Many have suggested before that we have a downloadable CD instead, or two issues in the shops - one with the CD and one without (a bit like computer magazines a few years back came in CD and DVD issues, where the cover mounts were either a couple of CDs or a single DVD), or an option on subscriptions where you can say if you want the CD or not, and I'd be happy with any of these.
I do still enjoy the magazine, although I seem to have been reading less of it over recent issues as the majority of the articles have been about artists I've no interest in (the latest issue - Dylan cartoon on the front - took me about an hour to read through, but I don't plan on stopping buying it. I'd just like it more if it didn't have a CD on my copy, but you're welcome to have one on yours.
Calling people round here closed-minded is fighting talk!
Many people are suggesting removing the physical CD as a cost saver and replacing it with a downloadable CD
Is anyone actually saying they specifically don't want the CD's worth of new music every month?
The downloadable option
Is simply not an option. While it might sound in theory like a convenient, money saving option, it's actually a logistical, technical, legal nightmare.
I am
I personally don't want the CD. If I could have the magazine without it, I'd be happier. As it stands I buy the magazine every month (and have done since issue 1) but bin the CD every time without playing it. Maybe if it was an occasional thing I'd listen to it, the way it used to be, once a year or so.
Reviews - Peter Gabriel
Perfectly happy with the CD, the format of most the magazine and have loved it from day one but feel like the reviews section has gone backwards this month. A two page review on a Peter Gabriel covers album which turns out to be not that good? C'mon - there's loads of music out there and you should be giving over space and time to that which is good not padding out two pages for that which is not.
The section where the shorter reviews are just don't work for me - sorry - that's one part of the magazine I thought was better last month.
But as for the rest - great stuff as always, and still head and shoulders above any other music/entertainment offering.
PG
I think the review was so long because it's not that often that Peter Gabriel releases an album, plus he's a legend of sorts to many Word readers and music fans. Personally I'm looking forward to getting the album this week, and seeing him at the O2 next month, and have read plenty of other reviews of the CD which are very positive. Ultimately a review is the opinion of a single person, and I'll make my own judgement.
Incidentally, years ago there was a short-lived magazine called "LM". They had a great system with reviews where three different people reviewed each item. One person did the main piece, and gave a rating (a percentage), and then the two others did a paragraph or so and also provided their own scores. It was good because in general, if something got 90% or thereabouts from all three you knew it was probably genuinely good, and the opposite was true for uniformly low scores.
Completely agree
Two pages to tell us you don't like it. Very worthwhile.
With you on the rest of the review section, too.
I disagree, partly
What I liked about the Peter Gabriel review in particular was the insight into the album's genesis (ahthangyew). Even though the review itself wasn't overwhelmingly positive I found myself more interested to hear it because of what I'd learnt about it. In other words, it was a review that justified its space because of all the meat on it, whether the album's good or not.
Conversely, the reviews of Brian Jonestown and Sade -- though more positive -- could easily have been told in a third of the space, since all they did was reiterate what we already know about Sade and BJM for most of their length, without really adding anything new.
Thumbs Up
The PG review was great.
reviews
I thought the reviews section was better in many ways. As has been mentioned, the old-style magazine reviews section is becoming a bit pointless these days, so a couple of long pieces that use a current album as a jumping-off point to pontificate about a trend/theory seems a good way to go, in fact I think it should go more in that direction.
The Gabriel review was as much about 'covers' generally as that particular album. Which is ok, cos if I want to know what that album's like I'll preview it on some website or other.
Reviews section
I picked up a copy of a rival mag (after a considerable break) and was impressed and entertained by the quantity and quality of the album reviews. I discovered that Jose Rouse has a Latin-tinged album out, Angelique Kidjo's new one is a bit off and Groove Armada seem to have made a cracker. The Word could be telling me this stuff.
I really liked the longer album reviews in The Word. Even if I'm not hugely interested in the act, the longer reviews give context that keep me interested.
That said, I felt a tad short-changed with the remainder of the album reviews. Shorter reviews serve to inform us of what's available as well as giving a flavour of what to expect. Another reservation I have is with just two writers sharing the shorter reviews. You both have great taste and insight of course, but let's hope that you don't unwittingly become self-serving in your choice of albums to review!
The Msssive Attack section is a nice stab at crowdsourcing and you've chosen some very good pieces - but I'd already read them online. Cut it back to a page and give us another page (at least)of album reviews?
Pfftt. Bloody reviews
I would be happy with a bloody big list of that month's releases & reissues. Save me going through the Amazon website.
I only buy it
for the pictures.
An occasional reader writes
As an occasional reader of the magazine in the past, I find it a rather sad, if not predictable, reflection of modern culture in this country at the moment, that, following a major overhaul of the magazine in general, most people seem to want to talk about whether it has staples or not.
i bought this months edition to see how it compared with previous copies, and have to say i am very impressed with the new look, balance of subjects, and quality of writing. Moreover, I think that the magazine has managed to separate itself from the Q/Mojo/Uncut style, and for me, now offers something different - I like the fact that every piece doesn't have to have lots of pictures - I'm not five after all.
Well done on the re-boot, I will certainly be buying more often than in the past.
A regular reader writes
Yeah, but what about the staples?
And the children. Won't
And the children. Won't SOMEONE think of the children?
Do some long
Lots of nice long features over lots of pages, giving the story time to develop. Thumbs are, indeed, aloft.
Plus one. As they say.
Plus one. As they say.
Very happy
I really like the new style. I like the longer articles, the looks back as well as forward, the presence of Charles Shaar Murray, the fact that there is generally more to read....I couldn't care less about the staples. I might resubscribe. I allowed my subscription to lapse as I got tired of all the TV coverage, but now it is more music related (it seems) resubscribing saves me from having to wait for it!
Oh and I like having the CD, even if most of it doesn't grab me, its nice to know that Devon Sprout isn't for me (fill in other names).
I'm still reading it. It lasts forever.
I don't understand people's fury at TV coverage. I like it. It just proves to me that there can never be any magazine that covers TV seriously as people refuse to take it seriously here. Radio Times, though a shadow of its former self and rather dull and worthy now, is as serious as it gets to TV snobs, though as I work across three top TV listings titles I of course disagree. We cover Mad Men too, you know!
It seems people want everything to be strictly delineated. So while there are magazines about TV, films, books and music, they can never be combined (Sunday supplements aside) into one general paid-for read. We could never have an Entertainment Weekly here, for example, which is a great shame cos I'd buy it. Look at early Heat... it bombed as a serious magazine.
Anyway Development Hell, if you're thinking of launching one, call me!
Well in mitigation....
I know it's horses for courses but it is called "Intelligent life on planet rock" not "dumbed down rubbish on the telly". I want it both ways of course, I am quite happy to read about Mad Men, The Sopranos, The Wire etc. I don't want to read interviews with unfunny commedians or articles about panel games. Hey ho. The new issue is excellent by any measure.
Radio Times
5C, you complain that it is now rather dull and worthy. I don't remember a time when it was anything but dull and worthy.
Spineless
I'm sorry to lose the spine as I keep my Words chronologically in magazine files so I can find any issue with a glance at the spine. The least you could have done in sackcloth, ashes and mitigation would have been to print the month, year and issue number conspicuously on the front cover, preferably at the top. Alas, no, now these identifiers have to be hunted out on page five... please ammend.
I also agree with Twangothan above. Please keep uninteresting TV "celebs" out of The Word. There are plenty of tabloids and dumbed down TV mags about already who cater for all that. I love music, cinema and books but utterly despise reality television. Keep the "intelligent life" phrase in mind when booking interviews.
I do like the Bob Dylan as moose head meets Da Vinci front cover though. Photographs are over-rated and dull. Why not do a cartoon every month?
Nice dig
Why does everything under the umbrella of 'televison' have to be dumb? If you don't watch it, how would you know whether it's dumb or not?
EPG
Beeb 4 is mostly excellent. Bits of Beeb 2. Match of the Day. But you only have to look at the EPG to see that most of it is rubbish.
when do you have occasion to refer to previous issues
and for what reason?
I used to keep music magazines and now I ditch em or give em to friends ...except for some dylan stuff, and even then I have doubts
Can I ask whether you move house much?
Not everything on TV is
Not everything on TV is dumb? Shock horror. Of course not: a lot of TV is informative, well written and entertaining. God bless David Attenborough, The Wire and loads, loads more.
There's too much TV now - the pool of talent will inevitably dry up. You've surely got to admit that there are many talent free chancers out there hanging on to a career by the slenderest of threads. I just don't want to read interviews with hair dressers, style gurus or make-over maestros thanks very much. The ability to read an autocue does not make you interesting enough to interview in my opinion.
but will the new format
attract new readers which presumably is what is needed ? In my opinion, probably not - I don't really see anything that will entice someone who's not bought the mag before.
That's what you think
what does Bargepole have to say about it? ;-)
oh
he always agrees with me!