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Pop Gambaccini

David Wright's picture

Just been listening to a recent Saturday Live Radio 4 podcast which
features Paul Gambaccini.
He reckons that: “popular music is going through a weak and undefined period”.
Evidence for and against his views most welcome please.

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I am sick

Of Gambaccini being wheeled out to make comments every time that pop music is discussed in the media.

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dai | 15 August 2011 - 2:46pm

Whenever someone dies

you can bet the farm that he'll be there with his dulcet, soothing tones giving a potted history of their entire career in 500 words or less.

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mojoworking | 15 August 2011 - 2:49pm

I think he's got something valid to say

He really knows his music, and he really cares.

I could listen to him all day. He's not everyone's cup of tea though.

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Five-Centres | 15 August 2011 - 2:52pm

Me too..

Although I find his radio style a bit irritating: lots of pointless vocal significance and misplaced gravitas assigned to the most mundane of comments or facts.

He constantly gets the "emph- ASIS inthewroing PL...ace"

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BernkastelCues | 15 August 2011 - 5:05pm

'weak and undefined period'

translates as: "I don't like urban music."

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Zanti Misfit | 15 August 2011 - 2:59pm

Undefined

I would agree with the undefined as there are so many competing genres that could loosely fall under the popular music umbrella. A lot of that music is as good, if not better, than it's ever been so weak is not an adjective that I would use. Paul Gambacini often comes across to me as a bit of a dick because he presents things that are clearly opinions as facts. I often wonder if he actually believes what he's saying.

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JohnW | 15 August 2011 - 3:22pm

Lefsetz has a lot to say on current music

In a nutshell, top 40 is dead. Just safe regurgitation of the same old (R&B)stuff to a dwindling audience. However, pop music is alive and well but living outside of the top 40 and therefore invisible to the types of people who wheel Gambo out for a quote.

I think Gambaccini has a great knowledge of music as it relates to the top 40 but I have no idea whether he is familiar with what is happening today outside of that. I'm not sure if anyone is measuring it. You'd really have to measure and report a pirate downloads chart :-)

I was chatting with my friend's daughter last week, she is 15 and reeled of her latest playlist to me. A combination of the old - Led Zep, Hendrix - and the new - a bunch of bands that were hot amongst her peer group but I had never heard of. None of it was top 40.

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VincePacket | 15 August 2011 - 3:34pm

Unfortunately,

a combination of not working in a record shop anymore and TOTP leaving our screens, my knowledge of current pop music is limited to say the least.
As far as i'm aware urban & r and b seems to be dominating the charts, with rock music getting little or no look in? From the chart hits i've heard over the years Beyonce, Take That etc, there has been some fantastic pop music released.
With regards to 'popular music' that wouldn't be classed as out and out pop, then I reckon we are in a golden period, there has been some wonderful music released over the last few years, and some exciting stuff to come. But i've always been of the opinion that there is great music out there if you're willing to look for it.
Paul Gambaccini, he's alright

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Mint | 15 August 2011 - 3:35pm

Nero

On a kind of related topic, I actually heard the last hour of the top 40 on R1 last night and for the first time in years I heard the No1 and thought, 'bloody hell, tune!'. A lot of the stuff before it was absolute bilge, but this really got my foot tapping.

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Art Vandelay | 15 August 2011 - 3:39pm

that is ace

heard it at my niece's 21st last week and it was the only track that i heard all night that made any kind of impression on me, had no idea what it was but do now - so thanks, Art.

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badartdog | 15 August 2011 - 4:17pm

My pleasure!

My pleasure!

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Art Vandelay | 15 August 2011 - 4:23pm

Radio 1

I can't remember the last time I listened to the chart show on Radio 1, so I'm not in a position to comment on modern pop music either. All I can say is, that the odd time I've tuned into Radio 1 in the daytime, I've only last about 15 mins before I've found myself reaching for the dial. Mr G seems a decent enough chap.

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David Wright | 15 August 2011 - 3:57pm

I can hardly last 15

I can hardly last 15 minutes, but mainly due to the often cretinous presenting style (I'd exclude Scott Mills from that comment) The last time I heard Fern Cotton she was banging on and on and on about being 'well jeal' of everyone who had gone to Ibiza and encouraging listeners to say why they might be feeling 'well jeal' too. Or something, I'd fallen in to a coma by that point.

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Andy Lynes | 15 August 2011 - 4:11pm

Bring back DLT

You're not wrong there. Vacuous nonsense, usually revolving around Twitter. It's even worse at weekends.

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Art Vandelay | 15 August 2011 - 4:13pm

It's not *for* us

If R1 wasn't as annoying as fuck (to the over-30s), it wouldn't be doing its job. My parents said the same of it in the 70s, and theirs before.

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pocket.calculator | 15 August 2011 - 4:24pm

Radio 2 & 1

Agreed, but sadly I'm beginning to find Radio 2's daytime playlist quite annoying as well, so it's mainly 6 Music for me these days. In Radio 2's defence, I still love Bob Harris, Walker, Mayo and the Sounds Of The Century series is excellent, as is the summer reggae show on Thursday evenings. I hope I never find myself switching 6 Music off. That would be a dark day.

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David Wright | 15 August 2011 - 8:44pm

It's 1976 all over again

Maybe a bit unfair but the current charts are about as interesting as those from the justly maligned 1976. Thankfully without DLT.
Seriously, I think what is happening is that sales of Top 10 'singles' have gone through the floor and what is left is dross that would otherwise not get anywhere the charts.

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jazzjet | 15 August 2011 - 9:17pm

What is pop music?

Isn't pop music really a fairly wide category that separates it from Classical or Rock etc? These days it doesn't really mean popular. As such I don't think a working knowledge of the top 40 to be necessary when commenting on modern pop music. Recently we've been treated to new albums by both Fountains of Wayne and Army Navy, surely some of the finest practitioners of modern pop that we have today but I assume that they don't ever trouble the singles chart.

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JohnW | 15 August 2011 - 4:23pm

Pop

It's kind of evolved to mean instantly-accessible melodic music. As Pax Romana said, Fountains of Wayne aren't proper pop because no girls like them.

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Spartacus Mills | 15 August 2011 - 4:25pm

Assuming it's not a false identity!

This proves that it's pop. 5 star review not written by a male!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/pdp/profile/A1RDMACTD64SPN/ref=cm_cr_pr_pdp
I am right an FOW claim their place as one of the finest purveyors of pop music ever.

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JohnW | 15 August 2011 - 4:38pm

Not having it

The bloke just forgot to log his sister out.

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Spartacus Mills | 15 August 2011 - 4:56pm

Pop Music

It seems in rude health. Take That, Rihanna, Katy Perry, Nicki Minaj, The Saturdays, N-Dubz, Tinchy Stryder, Example...most of it sounds alright to me Daddio.

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Spartacus Mills | 15 August 2011 - 4:19pm

He looks like a cat

And tries to present himself as a voice of authority while seeming to make fatuous points that anyone who'd read an issue of Q coukd trot out.

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Chimney Singing... | 15 August 2011 - 7:05pm

Wanna be a gunslinger?

Don't be a Rock singer.

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Steerpike | 15 August 2011 - 9:24pm

Don't want to be too pedantic here Gambo,

but if it's 'undefined' how can you then define it as 'weak'?

This week's chart isn't too hot admittedly but people aren't back from summer hols so Y Viva Espana and Demis Roussos won't be kicking in for a couple of weeks yet.

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Mr Fade | 15 August 2011 - 9:43pm
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