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'Please please me' is the finest Beatle's LP
Posted by bricameron on 6 September 2011 - 6:37am.
You can have your Beatles after this for whatever reason, but for me, this is the most exciting,invigorating period.Blast of fresh air.
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A close second
I echo your senitments, but to me 'A Hard Days Night' was when the boys became men; writing all the tracks and performed brimming with confidence
No it wasn't.
Abbey Road, Pepper, Revolver, Rubber Soul, AHDN and The White Album are way ahead of PPM in the queue to True Fabness.
I believe it was a Heppo of this Parish
who said that AHDN was the definitive Beatles album. I go along with that.
No, that was...
...A Hep Dave's Night he was talking about.
For Sale
DH raved about For Sale once, I remember because it's actually my favourite above all others. I love it's melancholy sparkle.
the landscape
seems to change constantly with regards The Beatles' 'Best LP'.
Through the 70s and 80s Sgt Pepper was considered their masterpiece.
In the mid 90s, coincidentally my college years and britpop, Revolver
was 'the' definitive album.
Abbey Road seems to have been most people's pick in the noughties and I now sense that AHDN is going to be this decade's pick.
Like most things involving the Beatles, it's difficult to get a consensus.
Completely agree with you...
PPM for me at least, remains the most exciting album of all the HJH output. It's still so fresh and so thrilling!
Out on a limb here...
...but the Beatles album I enjoy listening to most is Help!.
Me too Lucas
You're Gonna Lose That Girl, You've Got To Hide Your Love Away, It's Only Love, Yesterday and what is in mind mind their finest moment Ticket To Ride.
The title track's not too bad either
Ditto
First album I ever bought, which is a factor. Hearing the more minor tracks, eg. "The Night Before" or "You Like Me Too Much", has a Proustian effect on my psyche.
I listened to it the other day in mono...
and just loved it. For all their later musical accomplishments and refinements, they never again sounded like they did on their debut, which was four young blokes having an absolute whale of a time in a proper recording studio.
I'm a White Album man
I'm a White Album man meself... but I've always had a fondness for Please Please Me.. Theres a real freshness to it and it's amazing how they banged it out in a day.. tho I think "With The Beatles" is far superior..and Hard Days Night tops that etc etc etc....
Completely.......
......agree.
The Fabs' Rock n' Roll album.
I hadn't heard it as an album until recently
but I was surprised how strong it was. I actually prefer the stereo version, maybe because I was born into a stereo world and mono has no sentimental value for me. The recently remastered Twist and Shout has a clarity and power that is breathtaking.
But their best album? Nah. Abbey Rd, Revolver, AHDN and Help are better. I imagine if I was alive when it was released it might be different.
Revolver
Funnily enough I dug Revolver out this weekend. It is a greatest hits album.
The only neg on it is that some songs are so overplayed, you don't feel like listening to them. Definitely their high spot for me.
PPM *is* fabulous. I love it.
But it's not close to being the Beatles at the height of their powers. For me it's A Hard Day's Night, Pepper, Revolver and Abbey Road. I can't really choose between those, because they all represent such different things.
They got a lot done in seven years, eh?
Since an entire thread on the "best" Prefab Four album ...
is unlikely, I'm voting for "Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones" right here.
As for Beatles albums, I never make a choice because I don't have to. I love 'em all, like one big album.
"[It's] Like one big album"
That's spot on. Their whole story has such a great momentum to it, you couldn't script it better. The template for all musical life-cycles to follow is in there.
Took 10 CDs on holiday........
.....needn't have bothered as I only played 'Pisces' and 'Headquarters' for the entire time.
On the whole my preference
On the whole my preference is for The White Album and Abbey Road, but it has to be said that on their later LPs, the HJHs always had at least one song which was just completely fecking awful. You can't really say that about the early stuff (even A Taste Of Honey, which I think is just the wrong song for the band, doesn't plumb the depths of, say, Rocky Raccoon).
For what it's
worth, love both Revolver and Abbey Road, but all time fave fabs is still Hard Day's Night. To think they wrote and produced it in such a relatively short period of time is still mind boggling. I'm going to have a cup of tea and a biscuit and put it on now.
I Saw Her Standing There
By coincidence I just listened to Please Please Me again the other day, and it really is a great little album. One thing that struck me is that while Twist & Shout has always gotten a lot of attention as a great closer (and rightly so, on the remaster you can practically hear John's voice coming apart as he gives it his all), it's the opening track that is the best on the record. It just explodes off the album and makes you want to move. It's the best dance tune they ever did.
PPM isn't my favorite Beatles record (that would be The White Album, Abbey Road, and Help) but I think it's more diverse than AHDN, which starts strong and ends weak. Side 1 of AHDN (from A Hard Day's Night to Can't Buy Me Love) is perfection but Side 2 of that album has a sameness that makes it kind of less interesting for me.
Wow
For me side two is pure perfection and side one is a lot less interesting! (though I do love all of it and it's by far my favourite Beatles' album)
Isn't it wonderful how two people can hear the same thing so differently (and they're both right) ?
It is (wonderful ... and sometimes maddening)
I used to be on the AHDN train, but I've jumped over to the Help train as my favorite of their early stuff. I may switch back at some point. But I like a diverse mix of voices on a Beatles album and side 2 of AHDN has too much Lennon (sacrilege to say, I know) and needs a Harrison song or another McCartney vocal.
But to each, his/her own. A few posts up, Kit Hogue was dissing Rocky Raccoon and it was all I could do to stop myself from sputtering with indignation as I've always liked that song. Funny lyric, great descriptive details in the wording (like the Gideon's Bible bit), and a lovely melody. It's a good spoof of a folk song. I know some people don't like it but sometimes you want people to hear what you hear.
Missing from AHDN
is the obligatory Ringo vocal which would have been on side 2. "Matchbox" had recently been recorded for the "Long Tall Sally" EP, and then Ringo got tonsillitis. Hence a 13-track LP, their only (UK) effort that can fit on one side of a C60.
White Album for me
Mainly for the variety of material - this was only a few years after being Mop Tops but "Happiness Is A Warm Gun" would have had the teenyboppers running for cover. Plus the Fabs looked so cool in the colour photos in it...
The White Album
Never understood the acclaim.
Half baked, self indulgent solo track twaddle with few redeeming features.
Not a patch on Abbey Road or, whisper it softly, Let It Be.
You done said it Dog
Let It Be was probably the first Beatles album I heard or rather listened to properly. Probably, sometime around the mid 70s when I was about 9 or 10. Loved it - and listened to it recently again for the first time for probably a decade or more and I think it's wonderful still.
Mind you, I only got into The Beatles because I liked Wings...
Wings...
The band the Beatles could have been...
Favourite Beatles album?
I'd have to say, The Best Of The Beatles.
Nobody's mentioned Let It Be
so I've just put it on.
I bet there are plenty of bands who wish *their* worst album was as good as this.
Two Of Us
Across The Universe
One After 909
The Long And Winding Road
Get Back
It's still Sgt Pepper and Abbey Road for me, but still...
Pshhh
The early plinky plonk stuff is not a patch on the later more picturesque and moving stuff. The later albums are better melodically for one thing, and in so many ways. "Plinky Plonk" incidentally is a technical description. A commercial approach much copied by bands all over the word in the late 60's, normally accompanied rather cynically with a vacant look of optimism and a syrupy wink.
Of course they were more happy to be commercial in the early years, and this by its nature perhaps appeals to the shallower souls of the world.
If 'She Loves You' is 'Plinky Plonk'
Then 'Plinky Plonk' is to be applauded.
And I'm happy to be shallow.
The essence of pop in two and a half minutes. Never bettered.
Yes, indeed...
We've 'done' the Beatles at length here, but I could still talk about them for hours on end. For me it is all about '64-'66. For me. I think there's a brilliant Beatles LP for everyone, isn't there? There isn't really a bad one. It just depends on your taste, and your mood. As for melodic gift - I think McCartney's is very much in evidence on PPM, and Lennon lost his (or buried it) as the 60s progressed. Simple music for simple people, my arse.
About McCartney's melodic
About McCartney's melodic gift being "very much on evidence on PPM," do you think that's why all the song credits say "McCartney-Lennon" on PPM? Because they were mostly McCartney's melodies? It's always puzzled me why McCartney's name is first on all of the songs they wrote for PPM, but then there's the sudden switcheroo to "Lennon-McCartney on all the other albums. That's never been fully explained -- both why his name was first on PPM songs or why they suddenly changed it on subsequent albums.
Apparently they changed it
.... because "Lennon/McCartney" sounds more sophisticated, and scans better. Seem to remember a George Martin interview where some-such was said.
I am not criticising the quality of the earlier albums by the way. I'm just saying that they were superseded by the truly transcendental quality of the later ones. So if you are talking about which is BEST then the answer is no, it's not the Plinky Plonk. Nothing really wrong with the Plinky Plonk, but as a musical form it just doesn't cover the ground, or have the versatility that they managed to cover later on.
''Please Please Me' is the Beatles' first LP'
Now that I could agree with.
Revolver
It's Revolver for me. I just think it encapsulates everything that was great about The Beatles, from children's songs to sounds that took the average listener somewhere they'd never been before.
And I can't play A Hard Day's Night without being hurled back to queuing around the block at the Odeon in Pilgrim Street, Newcastle, nine-year-old hand firmly gripped in Mam's, then sitting surrounded by screaming Geordie lasses as Beatle-world unfolded on the screen.
Tell Me Why...
...is one of the few HJH's tracks I would never play of choice. 'Mr Moonlight' similarly. Apart from that, the poster above who said 'it's like one long album' is right. I think I've said it before here, but I envy anyone discovering the Beatles' music for the first time. Fave album 'Revolver', though the White Album was almost as devastating in its impact on the 14-year-old me. But some of the 'deep cuts' (as our friends across the pond might say) are often the best - 'The Night Before', 'Every Little Thing', 'Little Child', 'Hold Me Tight', 'I'll Cry Instead' (I'm smiling as I hear George's fills in my head - perfect)... hmm, I'll stop myself before I list everything bar 'Tell Me Why' and 'Mr Moonlight'... ;-p
They will never be
They will never be surpassed, taking my 10 year old to see the bootleg beatles as he is a massive fan. No other band can cross the generations with such ease.
I think it's the freshness
not only of PPM but the time - as Philip Larkin put it so wonderfully:
''Sexual intercourse began
In nineteen sixty-three
(Which was rather late for me)—
Between the end of the Chatterley ban
And the Beatles' first LP.''
Am I the only person
who is left rather cold by "Abbey Road"? It has its moments, but I really think they're few and far between. "I Want You" is self-indulgent twaddle of the worst kind. Lennon's creativity seems to have evaporated in a mist of drug-use and plagiarism; McCartney whips our a couple of highlights, but the real star of the album is George Harrison.
To steal a phrase used to describe Billie Holiday's last album, I think of it more as flowers sprouting in a graveyard than a downright classic. I know I'm in a definite minority, but I'd take "Beatles For Sale" or "Rubber Soul" over "Abbey Road" any day.
Don't get me started ....
Abbey Road was the only Beatles album that left me. uh ... disengaged when it came out. All my mates were raving, and many clear-thinking individuals still name it as their favourite, so there's something wrong with me (and you, Wardour, apparently). After countless plays over the decades, I still don't enjoy the "song" side very much. Maxwell's Silver Hammer? Octopuses Garden? And Oh! Darling (ironic or not? It's hard to care) has the most annoying guitar figure ever, almost managing to be less listenable than John's stick-thisssssss-in-yer-ear hail of heroin-fuelled white noise hatred at the end of I Want You. Side two gets by on craft, playing, and studio sheen, but in terms of songwriting, with the exceptions of Here Comes The Sun and Something, Abbey Road is the Beatles at their compositionally laziest - keeping the good stuff for their solo albums maybe?
If Let It Be had been given the same focus and finish as Abbey Road ...
While 'Abbey Road' was being recorded...
...both Paul and John knew that, thanks to recent developments regarding the ownership of Northern Songs, they wouldn't actually own any songs of theirs which appeared on the album, so it's hardly surprising that their offerings might be considered to be below the usual standard.
George, meanwhile, had long since extricated himself from the mess, hence him being able to quietly steal the whole album with his two tracks.
Post-1967 Beatles...
...I find I listen to less and less. The White Album is a mess (tin hat on), and I have to fight my way through too much filler to hear the good stuff. Plus it's their most solo album, and whilst I know this has always been commented on, I'll listen to ATMP or Ringo or Shaved Fish if I want solo Beatles. George Martin should have prevailed, a single disc would have been MUCH better, and if Why Don't We Do It In The Road et al had turned up later on an Anthology disc, then I don't think we would have lost out too much.
I'm with the posters above on Abbey Road. Side One starts with two good tracks, then lets you down (hey - don't let me down!); Side Two I still like a lot, but I'd have been an even happier chappie with Carry That Weight and The End as properly realised songs.
Let It Be is elegaic, in an odd way - the sound of the end of the party. I don't listen to it very often, but if I had to rescue one of these three from the fire, it would be Let It Be...
...after, of course, I'd saved every damn thing they did from Cry For A Shadow through to I Am The Walrus.
I guess everything after Magical Mystery Tour/death of Epstein was a long coda. There really was nothing left to conquer, but it took them a couple of years to figure out they'd be happier going solo.
One of the things I love about these blogs is how a stream of unconsidered consciousness gets presented as a rational argument...
When my kids
were old enough I took them to Abbey Road and we all walked across the zebra crossing holding hands.
Then we went to Savile Row and stood quietly looking up at the rooftop where the Beatles played together in public for the last time.
Now those kids are in their late 20s and they love everything by the Beatles from Please Please Me to Let It Be.
I feel as if I've sucessfully discharged my parental duties.
Parental duties
more than sucessfully discharged.
Their best? Not quite, although it is very good.
I have a soft spot for PPM because my dad used to have it on open reel tape (pre-recorded, shop bought tape, I mean) and he would play it on his Bakelite tape player. The tape player had two speeds and occasionally he would play it at the higher speed so it sounded like Alvin & the Chipmunks.
I thought it was hilarious when I was 4 years old.
The calm before the storm
This is a picture of the Abbey Road crossing (with the studios further along to the right) supposedly taken in September 1969, the day before the LP was released. Before long nothing in this leafy corner of NW London would ever be the same again.
And is that a light-coloured VW Beetle I see under the tree behind the dark Transit van? Could it be.....?
Similar to Jaffa Cakes...
...I prefer the Middle Bit of the Beatles.
The run of Help! -> Rubber Soul -> Revolver...that's a pretty good sequence by anyones standards.
I always seem to get shot down in flames for this...
...but I can't stand Rubber Soul. It has all my least favourite Beatles songs on it, especially in that middle section: The Word, Michelle, What Goes On, Girl (oh, that FUCKING intake of breath, it drives me mad). The only real standout on it, for me, is Drive My Car. I can hardly listen to it as an album. It just grates on me.
Is this yours Bob?
Consider it done.
Ha, thanks.
It's got to be...
Yeah
The fun I've had rediscovering them through this box set has made me forget about Abbey Road & Let it be.
I grew up with them..
the singles were great, the initial albums quite good, but the way the band were presented at the time, the squealing, the press feeding frenzy, the appearances on Eric+Ernie, etc., well, it wasn't exactly that cool, was it? Not if you were a bit rebellious and what's now called angst-y in the 1960s.
Then they lost the suits, stopped playing live (wise), got druggy, took lots of time in the studio, and changed the game for the whole industry, coming up with Strawberry Fields/Penny Lane/Walrus in quick succession. Sgt.Pepper is still my favourite album of theirs, sonically daring, varied, and still stuffed with good tunes.
They were clearly, even to a 12-year-old, falling apart after that, but still managed to produce albums of high quality. What we didn't know at the time was that they were a one-off, a brilliant phenomenon not to be approached, much less repeated, in the next 40 years.
Yes, it was a privilege to experience them in real time. And yes, I love them dearly and my kids do too. And no, mono doesn't do anything for me, never has.
I'm 56.