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Pixies' Doolittle tour/ value for money
I'm going to the Pixies gig at Brixton Academy on Thursday. In case you've missed it, these dates are being billed as the Doolittle 20th anniversary tour - with that classic album being played in full, alongside associated B-sides. Should be great. But word is in from the Dublin dates that this is literally all the band are playing - ie no extended encore from the rest of the Pixies canon - so you're only getting a 65-minute set. The support is Art Brut, who may or may not be decent, I've never really come across them.
I am still looking forward to it, I love the Pixies and it will be great to hear Doolittle and a few rarities played live ... but ... I've forked out a fair whack for travel to and from London, as well as the ticket - face value over £30, many people have paid more - and accommodation. So am I right to feel short-changed? And anyone else going along?
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I really
wanted to see this but couldn't justify the cash. As you say, it's a classic and having seen them plenty of times and never been disappointed, I'm sure you'll be glad you went. Choosing the tragically overlooked Art Brut as support bodes well - go and listen to "Formed a Band' on Spotify - great tune and lyrics worthy of Jarvis or Morrissey at their funniest.
Art Brut
Not seen them live but the albums are great. And they sound like they could be majestic live.
The Brut
Even better live than on record. Lead singer Eddie Argos has it all as a front man (maybe bar the voice), very funny and chatty with the crowd.
To get your money's worth its definitely worth cathcing them first.
Art Brut are...
mighty good live, so don't miss them. Mind you, the pretty guitar boy doesn't (or didn't play) and Eddie Argos is the most unlikely front man. But Formed a Band, My Litle Brother and Modern Art are great. It's a Bit Complicated (their second album) has titles mainly nicked from other people's songs and Frank Black produced their latest, Art Brut vs. Satan, which is a fine addition to their canon.
I last saw them live at the Scala in London and Emily Kane was there, according to Eddie. Someone screamed when he announced this, anyway. And they were ace - enjoy!
Shit! Hope not!
Im off to the Glasgow show and will be sorely dissapointed if I dont get, at the very least, Where is My Mind and Broken Face as well as the Doolittle classics.
Bit of a worry as one of my 40th birthday gifts was the David Byrne debacle at Edinburgh Playhouse, ruined by poor choice of material (as well as horrendous sound) and this Pixies gig is my gift for Goatgirls 40th.
I'm rather hoping lightening doesen't strike twice.
Some fans are saying you're
Some fans are saying you're just getting 'what it says on the tin' - Doolittle played live - so like it or lump it, but the album's obviously only 45 minutes long so in terms of value for money I do feel a little bit short-changed. Other bands have done this sort of thing but have found a way to fill out the show.
Set-list
The Dublin set list is here.
Looks like the 15 tracks off Doolittle plus the 6 B-sides from the 3 singles = 65 minutes and that's yer lot...
Thats fuckin ridiculous
They're a heritage act these days. We're not watching them for b-sides.
I'll reserve judgement till after Sunday night but if this is true I'm thinking arrogant-has-been-ex-rock-star-arseholes.
Gigantic or die, fuckers!
They've always played B sides live
"Into the White" anyone?
Let us know how it goes on
Let us know how it goes on Sunday, goatboy, will be interested to hear your thoughts. The SECC not the greatest venue either ... sorry to pile on the misery! I'm actually looking forward to hearing some of the b-sides, as a lot of them won't have been played live much before ... but still, you would expect a longer set ... hard to imagine a Pixies gig without Vamos, Where Is My Mind, etc. Tickets weren't cheap!
You should have gone to see them
in 1989.
I did
Cheers for the constructive comment.
May your next shite be a hedgehog.
well why are you bothering now
they are bound to be let down. I Don't blame them for making a buck but Frank Black hasn't done anything interesting since and the Breeders are patchy oh and thanks for asking after my bowels.
Interesting...
Does music have to be interesting to be enjoyable? I think the Grand Duchy album is one of the best so far this year.
"Frank Black hasn't done
"Frank Black hasn't done anything interesting since" - that's simply not true. Fast Man Raider Man is a wonderful record - sprawling maybe with a few duffers but the title track(s), Johnny Barleycorn, In the Time of My Ruin and Elijah are terrific. Los Angeles from the first solo album is also great. I could go on.
which begs the question
why Mr Black isn't filling the Brixton Academy with these wonderful popular solo songs this weekend instead of trying to stay civil to Kim Deal long enough for the cheque to clear from the Pixies tour.
Good luck to Pixies as I said before.
Because everyone wants to
Because everyone wants to hear him do some old; but that doesn't mean he's recorded nothing of value since the Pixies split. Surely if you subscribe to the notion of rock and pop music as popularity contest then you wouldn't be reading a magazine that puts Robert Wyatt on its front cover.
managed to see them at Crystal Palace Park for free
by ripping me arse off on a fence, and got a free T-shirt an' all, but the Cure were better
The cure never played crystal palace with the
pixies.
I never said they did
I said the cure were better
oh I see well your
wrong.
Go to bed Chris
I mean I've seen the Pixies and the Cure in Crystal Palace park on 2 separate occasions, NOT ON THE SAME BILL, and I thought the Cure were better than than the Pixies. You must have had more to drink than me, mate, and I've been going some. Oh, if you mean I'm wrong for liking the Cure over the Pixies I'm basing it on 2 concerts 10 years ago, based on my judgement at that time. Nighty night!
I never knew about this gig.....
.....I guess this is what happens when you no longer read the NME for gig news. Only ever saw them once backin '91. Does sound a poor deal tho, but a classic album. Its in my all time top 10, Surfer Rosa is too.
Surprised
I didn't get a ticket because I assumed that what they would only play what they said they would. I'm a little surprised that you would feel short changed by that. Do you feel the same when you get home from Sainsburys and find they haven't slipped a few extras in the bag?
On the other hand, Art Brut are really good check out Nag Nag Nag.
No, I wouldn't expect any extras from Sainsbury's, but...
... I also expect my purchased cans & packets not to be only half-full of ingredients.
I think that most right-thinking people would expect 90 minutes of music (plus encore) from a headliner in concert, especially a "heritage" act with big back catalogue charging £30+ a throw.
That said, I personally think 65 minutes is the perfect length for a set, and wish all concerts were shorter, but correspondingly cheaper, £30 for that is just taking the mickey.
what do you expect?
It's the Pixies! Most shows these days are too long and sag somewhere in the set. I think it's fine if they play 65 minutes. It's £30. If you want 2 and a half hours and go and see U2 and pay £100 for it.
I'd rather see them come on, play a blinding set for 65 minutes and go home than come on and try and drag it out for two hours. I haven't seen them since they reformed, but I can't recall the times I did see them as being particularly lengthy gigs.
I agree
Less is more, particularly when you know what you're going to get.
You don't come out of a performance of "Macbeth" saying "shame they didn't do anything from 'Hamlet'."
Jesus and Mary Chain
"15 minutes of excitement is better than an hour of boredom". Been to lot of gigs that got boring. Doolittle is all killer no filler. The gig got 5 stars in the Times today.
BTW I did seem them in 1989 - and I don't think they played more than an hour then. Mind you I was drunk at the time - but the bootleg is only an hour.
I saw them
once in'91 on the Bossanova Tour. They were phenomenal. No fancy lights . They just stood there and played back to back, chronologically, most of Come On Pilgrim ep, Surfer Rosa, and all of Doolittle and Bossanova. The best live bass sound I have ever heard.
If they're half as good these days, you'll get your value alright. Have a great night.
Art Brut — "Bang Bang Rock & Roll"
Best way to sum them up is to imagine Wire covering songs by Pulp or The Long Blondes.
The following review is how I discovered them, and it says everything way better than anything I can possibly say:
http://www.threeimaginarygirls.com/artbrut06jun.asp
Pixies sets never seem that
Pixies sets never seem that long, because they rattle through the stuff at breakneck speed without really pausing for breath, and so many of their songs - Isla de Encanta, Something About You, etc - are just short, fast demos rather than fully-formed tracks. In that respect I could probably happily sit/stand through a four-hour Pixies gig and not get bored in the same way you might during U2!
I take the point, though, that many acts play for too long and it might be good to come out wanting more rather than the opposite. I have gone to a fair amount of expense to go to this gig so am just keen to get my money's worth. Of course, length of set does not necessarily equate to the quality of your experience. Will be a great night I am sure. Doolittle is a great album.
Going Tuesday when support
Going Tuesday when support act are Big Pink, possibly the most unimaginative name for a band ever, unless there's a group called The White Album.
An hour will do me fine although, and call me old fashioned, an encore would be nice. Haven't been to Brixton in about 15 years, hope the venue has improved since then.
I'm going...
...to Brixton on Wednesday to see them and i can't wait. I can understand why you would be disappointed they're not playing all their big hits if you have never seen them before but they've been on a sort of greatest hits tour doing all those tunes since 2004. As they haven't recorded any new material these current gigs,playing "Doolittle" start to finish, are i suppose a valid excuse to keep touring without "selling out".
Anyway,you will love it!
I just wish i was going to more than one night.
Just back
...from Brixton Academy was effin brilliant!
They sounded amazing , the visuals were great and the crowd were absolutely brilliant.
I've seen them 9 times now & that was one of the best!
What encores did they do? On
What encores did they do? On Tuesday they played Wave of Mutilation UK Surf version and Into the White then a second encore of Bone Machine, U-Mass and Gigantic. Do you get anything different?
Yes..
...First encore was the same then they did Broken Face , Isla De Encanta and Where is My Mind. I'm still buzzing.
I love the Pixies but...
I wish they would make more of an effort with their stage set.
I don't mind the set being 65 minutes and I'm looking forward to songs like Manta Ray and Bailey's Walk that I've never seen them do live before.
They always sound great live but don't do a whole lot other than play their songs. They have all this great album artwork by Vaughan Oliver et al and I would love to see what they could come up with in terms of backdrops/lighting. It is a major tour after all and other bands selling out places like Glasgow SECC (Radiohead for example) really try hard to make it visually as well as aurally entertaining.
I spotted some of the Dublin footage on YouTube and it looks like it's bog standard lights and a black sheet, shame...
When I saw them
all those years ago, they played for 2 hours, no fancy lights, no chat, a live Pixies juke box with extra bollox. I must have been very lucky that night.
when i saw them (2)
Was at the Dublin show. Not a disciple, but Her Indoors likes them and God knows I've dragged her to enough down the years. And they were good, the sound was better than I've ever heard at a loud rock show.
But... 61 euro (roughly 55 pounds) for 68 minutes on stage, excluding the time spent between main set and encore. Would it have killed them to play a few of the well-known ones in a second encore?
I was fascinated to watch how they were interacting, given how acrimonious things seemed when they first split. On stage, they all seemed to get on really well with a bit of nice banter and so on. But we then saw Kim fleeing the venue with minder 90 seconds after the show finished, so presumably any big after-show party was short at least 25% of the band
Saw them in 1989
When they were touring "Doolittle" the first time round, and they had a screen at the back with various pieces of film projected onto it during songs. Sounds a bit shit, but was actually rather effective.
Saw them in 1990 supporting "Bossanova" when they played the first song ("Cecilia Ann") from behind a curtain. Curtain dropped at the end, as they hove into "Rock Music" - stunning!
Glasgow SECC
I take it all back, saw them last night and they were just awesome!!
As 'Masked Tortilla' said they did infact have the back screen with the movie clips which tied in with all the songs, it made a huge difference.
And by way of apology for 1991 when they played the SECC (and the stage collapsed on a punter at the front causing them to walk off after 2 songs and not to come back on) they played a second encore which was almost 30 minutes and comprised of just about the whole Surfer Rosa album finishing with 'Where is my mind?'.
They were really tight too, probably the best I've seen them, and seemed to be enjoying themselves.
Hurrah for the Pixies!!
Pixies were just awesome at
Pixies were just awesome at Brixton last night. The sound was excellent, the set list great and the crowd were nothing short of ecstatic. There seemed to be a collective feeling of "oh my God, look, there's the Pixies, I can't believe it" as though the indie Madonna and Michael Jackson has just appeared on stage together, which I suppose they had. There were encores and Kim Deal was quite chatty and had a huge smile on her face the whole gig.
On the downside, the place was utterly rammed and I happened to be standing behind the only couple in the entire room doing the Stupid Studenty Swaying Dance. With about a centimetre personal space for each audience member, there is no room to do the Stupid Studenty Swaying Dance; if you go side to side then you are going to be blocking someone's line of sight aren't you, i.e. mine. Why can't you pogo like everyone else? If there's no room to go side to side, you go up and down, simple. I don't care if "La La Love You" is "your song", keep the swaying thing for your next student disco. And mind your elbows as you reach for your f**king Blackberry for the nth time to make a shitty video of the band you'll never watch again.
Also, if you're pissed, please try and resist the urge to Go Down The Front when they play Monkey Gone to Heaven. Brixton Academy is not that big, you're not in Wembley Arena, you can see fine from where you are. The whole f**king room is going mental anyway so just stay there. There is no room for you to Go Down The Front when they play Monkey Gone to Heaven, unless you barge your way through the crowd like a bunch of c**ts, spoiling the moment for everyone that you push past.
So apart from that, and a one and half hour journey home that became a three and a half hour odyssey involving cancelled trains and sick spattered rail replacement bus services because someone decided to end it all in the Haywards Heath area (haven't they ever heard of an overdose?), it was a great night.
that's
my favourite live review ever.
I think I should take it up
I think I should take it up professionally; is there a Miserable Old Git music monthly? (I don't mean the Word of course).
Meant to add that I'm fairly
Meant to add that I'm fairly sure I spotted Eamonn Forde on my way back to the tube after the gig - do you think I should let Heat magazine know?
only if he's put on or lost weight
had had and an wardrobe disaster or was sweating or his old fella hove into view as he got out of a cab or he was out with somebody he shouldn't be or if he's turned into Sienna Miller.
Or
Or he has visible cellulite.
Frank Black..
..hasn't done anything interesting since? Does nobody like his first solo effort? Personally I love it just as much as the Pixies albums. Admittedly things went downhill somewhat thereafter.
Happy Camper
I saw them last Friday in Dublin's Olympia Thetare and was knocked out by how good the show was. Clearly everybody else was too as the place went batshit from the moment they took the stage. We even managed to drag a non-album encore from them (Where is my mind)and everyone went home happy.
My bottom line is, if you really enjoy a show you will instantly forget about how much it cost or how long it was. I paid a vast wodge of cash to see Uncle Lenny last Summer but came away convinced that I had seen the greatest gig of my life. That, to me is more important.