Pink Floyd
Over the last few years I've only just begun to shake off my teenage prejudices and have been considering giving Pink Floyd a go. So I bought Dark Side Of The Moon. And I was very disappointed - a lot of it sounds very dated, particularly the synths and 'Money' just sounds like Dire Straits.
Having said that, I absolutely loved 'Breathe'. I also really like 'The Madcap Laughs' album but not 'Opal'. I love Spiritualized. I love Radiohead. I severely disliked The Wall when I heard it aged 15.
So bearing that in mind, where should I start to give the Floyd another go? Ideally I'd like more of that very pretty slide guitar action as showcased on 'Breathe'.
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I think
you might, just might, love 'Wish You Were Here'.
You're right
I just listened to it and I do.
More like that please
Now try
'Meddle'.
OK
It being an album I will have to wait until payday...but I'll get back to you.
Cheers for your help
In the meantime
clear out some hard disc space and head over to:
http://www.pinkfloyd.ws/
Hve you used this site ?
What's an RoIO?
It's a
"Recording of Indeterminate Origin" . (Or bootleg.)(Excuse condescending brackets.)
Thanks Oh Bald One
Condescending brackets completely excused.
You're most gracious,
oh Springy one. BTW is the name a spaniel or a Zebedee reference, or am I just being stupid? (Which would not be entirely without precedent...)
NB You're right to assume mine's a hairline reference, and not just someone wishing to imply he has a cool haircut. Although of course he does.
Its actually what my good friends called me
As in first name Gerry. But it came from when I'd tell them stories of the highways and byways of my life. They always felt there was a bit of "Jimmy Hill" in there and so because this and the Jerry Jerry chorus of The Jerry Springer Show it stuck.
However it would have been nicer to have been a Zebedee referene.
In particular,
"Echoes". I'm with Mark Ellen on this, it's 23 minutes in which to immerse and lose yourself. I'm sure you'll love the guitar, and the sung sections sound like the precursor to "Breathe", which you particularly liked. By the way, I agree about "Money"; it's always sounded like weak pub-level blues-rock, and is a glaring blemish on an otherwise pretty good album.
Shirley
Dire Straits sound like PF, not t'other way round?
Not that I can even hear the similarity myself.
And isn't it a bit rough to criticise an album from 1973 for sounding dated? It *is* dated.
From what you've said, as above 'WYWH' and possibly 'The Division Bell'.
Well...
synths from 1973 sound dated - it's the same reason why the intro for Baba O Reilly prevents me from completely loving the song.
But not all music from long ago sounds dated - Muddy Waters, The Beatles (except when they used synths), Stones, Stooges - all sound fresh as a daisy.
I love the intro to Baba O
in fact its probably my favourite intro of all time, or at least in the top five.
A great intro
All the more impressive for it being Townshend playing the whole synth bit and not putting it on a loop. That's what he said on Classic Albums.
Baba O was inspired by Terry Reilly's A Rainbow in Curved Air ..
... of 1968 vintage - according to Townshend. It's an amazing piece of overlapping organ sounds - way ahead of its time.
You think Baba O'Reilly is bad?
Check out Chest Fever by The Band. Ee gads!
Baba O'Reilly
The intro wasn't *played* on a synth. It was played on a Lowrey organ, the output of which was used to modulate the sample & hold on an ARP 2500 synth.
Stimpy The Pedant
Meddle
...just familiarised myself in the past couple of weeks with Meddle, having been a recent Floyd convert. I've been educating myself one album at a time.
I started with Dark Side Of the Moon. Loved it from start to finish - it only really works as a coherent whole for me - I can't enjoy individual tracks! Radcliffe and Maconie played Time on the day Rick Wright died and it just sounded out of place.
I moved onto Wish You Were Here. Contrary to the thread author, I love 1970s synths! And Shine On You Crazy Diamond Pt1 serves my synth fetish perfectly!
And now I've got into Meddle. I have to say, I'm not as enamoured of it as I am with the other two - I love One Of These Days, and Echoes is interesting but I'm not familiar enough with it yet to know where I am with it (if that makes any sort of sense).
It's The Wall next!
(Big fan of the Australian Pink Floyd - have seen them twice and you don't need to be a Floyd afficionado to enjoy the show! highly recommended...)
Rich
Obscured By Clouds
Worth it for Wots...Uh The Deal alone!
Of course
if you liked 'The Madcap Laughs' then you could do worse than check out the Floyd's 1967 debut 'The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn'. It's my personal favourite from the Floydian oeuvre, for what it's worth. It has got slide guitar ( but be aware that Syd's take on slide was radically different to most people's ). It's also got 'The Gnome'. The jolliest two minutes twenty in rock history.
'Look at the sky..look at the river
isn't it gooooood?'
It has to be Meddle
and go back to The Wall - it's much better when you're older and more embittered...
I love Meddle
But I really love the live version of Echoes on the new Dave Gilmour DVD.
Watched it last night
Its brilliant.(IMHO)
Warn me
It hasn't got David fucking Bowie singing "Arnold Layne" on it has it? I am terrified of accidentally hearing it. Otherwise the DVD sounds like a must.
You are in luck
Bowie (although) I do love him, is thankfully nowhere in sight. I think that may have been on the previous DVD.
TFFT as we say ;-)
TFFT as we say ;-)
I know
Tactical Fire Fighting Truck and all that.
Played the New DVD again on Saturday
I gotta tell you the version of Echoes is only superb. Only its not the full on Floyd I'd even go as far as to say definitive.
The Wall...
...is great when you're young and embittered too. Actually I enjoy every album they've put out to some degree (I find it hard to love that studio disc of 'Ummagumma', though).
I agree that DSOTM should not be played out of sequence or in separate chunks. I was once in Virgin Megastores and the whole album was playing...out of sequence. It was quite bizarre.
And I'm another who loves the analogue synths of the 60s/70s; they sound far warmer and- well- less 'dated' to me than what was being used by some in the 80s. I often fiddle around on my keyboard trying to reproduce those old Moog/Mellotron sounds, and have some sort of replication of that fabulous treated piano sound on 'Echoes'.
'Meddle' and after
In a way Pink Floyd repeated some of the music on 'Meddle', particularly from 'Echoes' and 'One of These Days' on subesquent releases but somewhat watered down and more slick. That's why I'd go for 'Meddle' - it's where they perfected that sound, lyrics aside (quite a big aside admittedly), while still having some of that earlier musical experimentation.
I'd also go for the first album and 'Barrett'. 'Barrett' used to be available as cheap double with 'Madcap Laughs' - I have that version on vinyl. I think 'Barrett' is worth getting for some good tunes like 'Dominoes', 'Baby Lemonade' and 'Gigolo Aunt'. It's a rockier sound compared to the more acoustic 'Madcap'.
That Football Chant..grr
I'd go with Piper At The Gates, Wish You Were here and The Division Bell for a nice taste of each period. I also really like Saucer Full Of Secrets and DSOTM.
I do like Meddle, but I wish they had left that bloody football chant off.
Fade it out just after it starts like I did
with MP3 Direct Cut.
Good idea, I might go back and do that.
Once upon a time
I had to travel some 200 miles in the back of a car with a guy who had just got a new Cd player. He played us Animals. I wanted to eat my own ears off after about ten minutes. Horrible, horrible, horrible.
And he played it twice.
Mmmm.
'Animals'. File with 'Ummagumma' I reckon.
I thought it was the Pigs Bollocks.
Or maybe not.
Try Obscured By Clouds.
It's a film soundtrack, from just before DSOTM. For some reason I bought this on cassette rather than vinyl (the only album I ever did buy on tape at full price) - I can't imagine why. I now have this on cd, and I still like it a lot.
Rice Crispies anyone?
Anyone out there like Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast from Atom Heart Mother? Beyond excellent, especially when suitably refreshed. Title track is awful though. Floyd go Grimethorpe!
Atom Heart Mother.
I like the cover.
I believe
Def Lepard got their album cover for High And Dry from a rejected AHM cover idea.
Whilst we're on covers..
My daughter has this on her bedroom wall at Uni. However, she wouldn't know a PF track if it jumped up and bit her.
http://www.feld.com/blog/archives/2006/11/pink_floyd_back.html
(with apologies to the 99% of you who have seen it before)
This is how I usually listen to Meddle
via the magic of a playlist
1. One Of These Days
2. Echoes
3. Fearless (football chant faded out)
4. San Tropez
5. Pillow Of Winds
A better album I think when sequenced this way (and with Seamus removed).
I've always really liked 'Animals'...
on which Roger Waters vents his spleen with more venom than the majority of punk bands who claimed to detest Pink Floyd ever managed...
I also love 'Animals' -
I also love 'Animals' - 'Dogs' might just be Gilmour's finest hour, and dare I say, I also think 'The Final Cut' is excellent, too! Haven't got much time for 'UmmaGumma' though...
'Ummagumma'...
is bloody awful. No debate, no argument.
Cool cover though...
I like Ummagumma
Well, the live disc anyway. My favourites are:
1 WYWH - The best, by a mile. The only album with no weak spots. I remember listening to this on my old valve radio when Alan Freeman played it right through the day it was released. It still moves me now, over 30 years later.
2 Meddle
3 DSOTM
4 Ummagumma live
I occasionally listen to Atom Heart Mother (great name!) and first two albums, but don't really like Animals and The Wall, and gave up after that. Nothing after WYWH ever lived up to that peak.
Spleen venting
Agreed about Animals, I also heart The Final Cut for the exactly same reason. No-one does 'mightily pissed off, bitter and cynical' as well as Roger Waters
Amused to Death
follows on very nicely from that. A sorely underrated solo album of Roger Waters (perhaps the same can be said of The Final Cut!)
The bits you like
The bits you like are probably best represented by the More, Meddle, Obscured By Clouds and Atom Heart Mother albums.
This was deinitely Floyd's most interesting period as they tried to fangle a post-Syd future with David Gilmour's voice and guitar very much to the fore. Live shows from this period, when songs like Cymbelline, Green Is The Colour Embryo and Fat Old Sun were stretched into 10-minute epics sound like some lost psychedelic garage band. If you like Spiritualized, you'll definitely like them. Check out Brain Damage, the Doctor's podcast series.
Albums-wise, I'd say that Dark Side Of The Moon is pick of the bunch, being both sonically adventurous and the most cohesive cycle of songs. Whoever said that Wish You Were Here has no weak moments is kidding themselves. Shine On You Crazy Diamond is lazy blues plodding compared to Dark Side Of The Moon.
And your 15-year-old self was wise to give The Wall a wide berth. Anyone who hasn't grown out of such overblown nonsense by that age is condemned to a life of World Of Warcraft and Terry Pratchett novels.
Erm, in my opinion.
...splutters...
"Shine On You Crazy Diamond" is lazy blues plodding? Seriously?
For me it is the absolute peak of their career... a stunning piece of work.
Still, it is refreshing to hear a dissenting voice with regards to that tune, as it generally held in such high esteem.
It might be...
...a stunning piece of work but it *is* a lazy blues plod - as are many of the tracks with a Gilmour guitar solo as the centrepiece.
A cynic would say that Mr Gilmour can only solo in one tempo and time sig; even Money reverts to 4/4 for the solo